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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PNB Army on September 26, 2011, 11:04:37 AM
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anybody think this may happen? imo theres norwich and swansea to go then in all seriousness id say its out of us blackburn and wigan?
what does everybody else think?
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Nope.
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i dont think we will go down i was jsut wondering if anyone thought we might thats all. i rekon once bentys back firing again we'll be fine
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Nonsense. We have more chance of a European place than we have of being relegated. get a grip
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Yes, we could. We got dragged into a relegation battle last season, and the squad is weaker now. And we have less experience to deal with such a situation. Still, if we manage to build on yesterday's second half performance, we should float into a safe mid-table position quite comfortably. So it's too early to worry about relegation now. Hopefully we'll feel safe come February.
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I had us down as about 11th to 14th at the start of season. I don't think we'll be in a relegation battle, but if we get a bad run of injuries ala last season you never know.
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id fear if bent or gab got injured tbh with ya
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anybody think this may happen? imo theres norwich and swansea to go then in all seriousness id say its out of us blackburn and wigan?
what does everybody else think?
I think you're a Bluenose.
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anybody think this may happen? imo theres norwich and swansea to go then in all seriousness id say its out of us blackburn and wigan?
what does everybody else think?
I think you're a Bluenose.
Maybe he could be our next manager then ;)
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anybody think this may happen? imo theres norwich and swansea to go then in all seriousness id say its out of us blackburn and wigan?
what does everybody else think?
I think you're a Bluenose.
i do to
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cant even talk about my club now then forget it
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No, we have one of the strongest defences outside the top 4 and in Gabby and Bent two of the best strikers. Get the midfield balance right and we'll be upper mid table.
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I think that drawing at home to Barnsley shows how low you have come. Add to this a few embarrassing thumpings in Europe and you will be back to where you belong in the hinterland.
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i havent mentioned anything to do with blues so how could i be a fan. just because i said something that was deemed negative and that people wont agree with does not make me a scum!
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Technically yes, and if we have to field a squad like we did v QPR on too many occasions then we could suffer. Bare bones doesn't even begin to describe that subs bench.
But I think we'll be okay. Enough grit and experience there to grind out a point when needed - weaker sides than us will fold under pressure, where we seem capable of finding something from somewhere. I'm sticking to my pre-season prediction of 12th-16th.
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I think Chris Hughton has got his work cut out. The squad left if average at best compared to the rest of the Championship teams and now the Chinese are poised to asset strip (if there's anything left!).
Thinking about it, relegation might be the least of your worries....
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I reckon we will be ok once we find our rhythm things will come together.
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I don't think so
From what i've seen this season Wigan look terrible add to that Blackburn, Swansea, Norwich, Bolton, Wolves, WBA
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anybody think this may happen? imo theres norwich and swansea to go then in all seriousness id say its out of us blackburn and wigan?
what does everybody else think?
We were a minute away from going 5th last night, so why the relegation worries ?
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I think/hope we'll improve as the season progresses.We've remained unbeaten playing mainly atrociously.Imagine what we could achieve our key players hit some form.We seem really low in confidence, hopefully that second half performance will instill some belief .As Ray Wilkins said if things click we could be the surprise package I'd love him to be right
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i'm reserving judgement till we play some of the better teams. If we get hammered in them which seems likely and still can't pick up wins against the weaker sides then we could be dragged in to the mire
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10th to 14th this season.The board will think that will be job done.
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theres too much money in the league now to be able to really push for top 6 so anything around 10th will do me fine
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the longer steve kean stays the bigger certainty blackburn are to go down. We are in a group of about 10 teams that could join them. Cant see us winning many games this season. Might not lose too many either.
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the longer steve kean stays the bigger certainty blackburn are to go down. We are in a group of about 10 teams that could join them. Cant see us winning many games this season. Might not lose too many either.
yep, thats my worry. if you're say a swansea who loses three games but wins the 4th then you're not any worse off than us who draw 3 and lose 1
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cant even talk about my club now then forget it
Calm down matey, you know how fickle Villa fans are.
In answer to your question, a reasonable one, IMO every possibility, we carry on our form as we stand, 1 win in 6 and you can bet your roof on the fact we will be fighting relegation, once you get into that kind of dog fight anything can happen.
Determine factors, how we build on the 2nd half we looked at yesterday, some might say grasping at straws but that's the reality, so how we improve and how well we beat Wigan at the weekend which is a must win because IMO Wigan will be one of the sides fighting to stay up.
Then the next obstacle is when we play teams capable of taking the chances in front of goal that we haven't yet come up against, the type of teams that will take advantage of the way we played in the first 45mins yesterday and we go in at half time heads down and 2 goals down.
So, reality is we could go down, anybody outside of the top 7 maybe 8 can, and anybody that couldn't look at the way Villa performed in the first 45mins yesterday (worst team performance of any i have seen this season) and not recognize the possibility of us getting relegated is deluded IMO.
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I don't think we will get relegated but I fear we may get dragged into another relegation battle, like last year.
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I don't think we will get relegated but I fear we may get dragged into another relegation battle, like last year.
I think we would be unlucky to get relegated as there is worse than us, that's for sure.
Problem is I have never seen Villa has the kind of side up for a scrap if it came to it, couple of seasons ago when MON made the decision to take us out of the Europa League we where near the top and heads went down then with all kind of rumblings from the club, so it don't take a lot.
My concern would be if the league point system panned out in its usual format whereby the bottom 6-8 teams was adrift by some distance and it became a full on struggle for survival to stay up, the kind of thing where you go into Easter and every game is a cup final, then we have a problem.
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Maybe we will go the entire season unbeaten.
.....and get relegated with 40 points.
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Our season will not be decided by results against the top 4 so it's a bit of a red herring to talk about them. It will be how we do against the rest, so far we've played 3 teams who I reckon will be in the mid table group (Fulham, Everton and Newcastle) and have drawn them all - 2 away from home. It hasn't been pretty but we've shown enough bottle and resilience to suggest we're not going to be a soft touch.
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Yes we could.
We wont.
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cant even talk about my club now then forget it
Calm down matey, you know how fickle Villa fans are.
In answer to your question, a reasonable one, IMO every possibility, we carry on our form as we stand, 1 win in 6 and you can bet your roof on the fact we will be fighting relegation, once you get into that kind of dog fight anything can happen.
Determine factors, how we build on the 2nd half we looked at yesterday, some might say grasping at straws but that's the reality, so how we improve and how well we beat Wigan at the weekend which is a must win because IMO Wigan will be one of the sides fighting to stay up.
Then the next obstacle is when we play teams capable of taking the chances in front of goal that we haven't yet come up against, the type of teams that will take advantage of the way we played in the first 45mins yesterday and we go in at half time heads down and 2 goals down.
So, reality is we could go down, anybody outside of the top 7 maybe 8 can, and anybody that couldn't look at the way Villa performed in the first 45mins yesterday (worst team performance of any i have seen this season) and not recognize the possibility of us getting relegated is deluded IMO.
cheers mate nice to see someone who isnt making stupid assumptions after a couple of posts!
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We won't go down because the football we play is too negative. It's easy to draw games when you defend with nine men and don't have a shot on target in open play. Plus Shay Given will save our arses.
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If McLeish can sort this system out & motivate the players then we won't be relegated, but I have a niggling concern that we haven't got the ability to break teams down, our creativity is zero, we can't maintain pressure for more than a few minutes & we only ever seem to turn up for one half. This has got to change.
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a few heavy defeats to Manciteh, United, Celsea and dare I say Arsenal could see us seriously demotivated and then how will the gang of 5 respond?
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cant even talk about my club now then forget it
Calm down matey, you know how fickle Villa fans are.
In answer to your question, a reasonable one, IMO every possibility, we carry on our form as we stand, 1 win in 6 and you can bet your roof on the fact we will be fighting relegation, once you get into that kind of dog fight anything can happen.
Determine factors, how we build on the 2nd half we looked at yesterday, some might say grasping at straws but that's the reality, so how we improve and how well we beat Wigan at the weekend which is a must win because IMO Wigan will be one of the sides fighting to stay up.
Then the next obstacle is when we play teams capable of taking the chances in front of goal that we haven't yet come up against, the type of teams that will take advantage of the way we played in the first 45mins yesterday and we go in at half time heads down and 2 goals down.
So, reality is we could go down, anybody outside of the top 7 maybe 8 can, and anybody that couldn't look at the way Villa performed in the first 45mins yesterday (worst team performance of any i have seen this season) and not recognize the possibility of us getting relegated is deluded IMO.
cheers mate nice to see someone who isnt making stupid assumptions after a couple of posts!
No Probs really, because the answer is we could easily get relegated and despite the bullishness that you have read, i look at it this way, would i say for absolute definite that Villa will not go down, no absolutely not and for a very good reason that I'm saying that is because we are about to play Wigan Athletic, would I say without a shadow of a doubt that we couldn't get beat by Wigan? No I wouldn't, therefore if we can lose to Wigan we can certainly get relegated, which is why its important we win.
;) And by the way watch how many come on here screaming relegation if we do get beat or draw on Saturday, still all good fun.... :D
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cant even talk about my club now then forget it
Calm down matey, you know how fickle Villa fans are.
In answer to your question, a reasonable one, IMO every possibility, we carry on our form as we stand, 1 win in 6 and you can bet your roof on the fact we will be fighting relegation, once you get into that kind of dog fight anything can happen.
Determine factors, how we build on the 2nd half we looked at yesterday, some might say grasping at straws but that's the reality, so how we improve and how well we beat Wigan at the weekend which is a must win because IMO Wigan will be one of the sides fighting to stay up.
Then the next obstacle is when we play teams capable of taking the chances in front of goal that we haven't yet come up against, the type of teams that will take advantage of the way we played in the first 45mins yesterday and we go in at half time heads down and 2 goals down.
So, reality is we could go down, anybody outside of the top 7 maybe 8 can, and anybody that couldn't look at the way Villa performed in the first 45mins yesterday (worst team performance of any i have seen this season) and not recognize the possibility of us getting relegated is deluded IMO.
cheers mate nice to see someone who isnt making stupid assumptions after a couple of posts!
No Probs really, because the answer is we could easily get relegated and despite the bullishness that you have read, i look at it this way, would i say for absolute definite that Villa will not go down, no absolutely not and for a very good reason that I'm saying that is because we are about to play Wigan Athletic, would I say without a shadow of a doubt that we couldn't get beat by Wigan? No I wouldn't, therefore if we can lose to Wigan we can certainly get relegated, which is why its important we win.
;) And by the way watch how many come on here screaming relegation if we do get beat or draw on Saturday, still all good fun.... :D
exactly its a forum to talk villa! i asked a question regarding villa , if we dont do well on saturday there'll be more people coming out and posting such things will they be accused as well
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If McLeish can sort this system out & motivate the players then we won't be relegated, but I have a niggling concern that we haven't got the ability to break teams down, our creativity is zero, we can't maintain pressure for more than a few minutes & we only ever seem to turn up for one half. This has got to change.
Good post......Another thing to remember is, if we get into a dog fight we don't have a manager that knows how to make the team dig in and survive, doesn't know how to gee up players that will be clearly demotivated.
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Our season will not be decided by results against the top 4 so it's a bit of a red herring to talk about them. It will be how we do against the rest, so far we've played 3 teams who I reckon will be in the mid table group (Fulham, Everton and Newcastle) and have drawn them all - 2 away from home. It hasn't been pretty but we've shown enough bottle and resilience to suggest we're not going to be a soft touch.
We've also played teams like QPR and Wolves who you'd think will be scrapping it out to avoid relegation, and we've drawn with them too. This season is going exactly as I thought it would. Turgid, horrible football with lots of draws. No quality whatsoever, but hard enough to beat that we probably won't be sucked into a relegation scrap.
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Villa only playing for 1 half is a long term thing, I often say to my Dad 'I hope this is our bad half'
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cant even talk about my club now then forget it
Calm down matey, you know how fickle Villa fans are.
In answer to your question, a reasonable one, IMO every possibility, we carry on our form as we stand, 1 win in 6 and you can bet your roof on the fact we will be fighting relegation, once you get into that kind of dog fight anything can happen.
Determine factors, how we build on the 2nd half we looked at yesterday, some might say grasping at straws but that's the reality, so how we improve and how well we beat Wigan at the weekend which is a must win because IMO Wigan will be one of the sides fighting to stay up.
Then the next obstacle is when we play teams capable of taking the chances in front of goal that we haven't yet come up against, the type of teams that will take advantage of the way we played in the first 45mins yesterday and we go in at half time heads down and 2 goals down.
So, reality is we could go down, anybody outside of the top 7 maybe 8 can, and anybody that couldn't look at the way Villa performed in the first 45mins yesterday (worst team performance of any i have seen this season) and not recognize the possibility of us getting relegated is deluded IMO.
cheers mate nice to see someone who isnt making stupid assumptions after a couple of posts!
No Probs really, because the answer is we could easily get relegated and despite the bullishness that you have read, i look at it this way, would i say for absolute definite that Villa will not go down, no absolutely not and for a very good reason that I'm saying that is because we are about to play Wigan Athletic, would I say without a shadow of a doubt that we couldn't get beat by Wigan? No I wouldn't, therefore if we can lose to Wigan we can certainly get relegated, which is why its important we win.
;) And by the way watch how many come on here screaming relegation if we do get beat or draw on Saturday, still all good fun.... :D
exactly its a forum to talk villa! i asked a question regarding villa , if we dont do well on saturday there'll be more people coming out and posting such things will they be accused as well
Indeed it is, I can't imagine anything worse than calling a Villa fan a blue nose, I can't imagine calling someone a blue nose whether they are a Villa fan or not 8).
As you say its the footy chat that's important.
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Our season will not be decided by results against the top 4 so it's a bit of a red herring to talk about them. It will be how we do against the rest, so far we've played 3 teams who I reckon will be in the mid table group (Fulham, Everton and Newcastle) and have drawn them all - 2 away from home. It hasn't been pretty but we've shown enough bottle and resilience to suggest we're not going to be a soft touch.
We've also played teams like QPR and Wolves who you'd think will be scrapping it out to avoid relegation, and we've drawn with them too. This season is going exactly as I thought it would. Turgid, horrible football with lots of draws. No quality whatsoever, but hard enough to beat that we probably won't be sucked into a relegation scrap.
Good post and foresight, I thought we had a bit more TBH then to be completely transformed into a demi Birmingham City which is basically what your saying in terms of the results and type of football, perhaps I have been a tad to optimistic.
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Our season will not be decided by results against the top 4 so it's a bit of a red herring to talk about them. It will be how we do against the rest, so far we've played 3 teams who I reckon will be in the mid table group (Fulham, Everton and Newcastle) and have drawn them all - 2 away from home. It hasn't been pretty but we've shown enough bottle and resilience to suggest we're not going to be a soft touch.
We've also played teams like QPR and Wolves who you'd think will be scrapping it out to avoid relegation, and we've drawn with them too. This season is going exactly as I thought it would. Turgid, horrible football with lots of draws. No quality whatsoever, but hard enough to beat that we probably won't be sucked into a relegation scrap.
Good post and foresight, I thought we had a bit more TBH then to be completely transformed into a demi Birmingham City which is basically what your saying in terms of the results and type of football, perhaps I have been a tad to optimistic.
top bloke pal (y)i dont get to go to many games as i dont live here anymore but from what i hear from both sets of fans seems to be the same. talksport the other night there was a vila fan who said all his blues mates told him exactly what games wud be like and he was rigt
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Are you aware Preston is in Lancashire not Yorkshire?!
cant even talk about my club now then forget it
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Our season will not be decided by results against the top 4 so it's a bit of a red herring to talk about them. It will be how we do against the rest, so far we've played 3 teams who I reckon will be in the mid table group (Fulham, Everton and Newcastle) and have drawn them all - 2 away from home. It hasn't been pretty but we've shown enough bottle and resilience to suggest we're not going to be a soft touch.
We've also played teams like QPR and Wolves who you'd think will be scrapping it out to avoid relegation, and we've drawn with them too. This season is going exactly as I thought it would. Turgid, horrible football with lots of draws. No quality whatsoever, but hard enough to beat that we probably won't be sucked into a relegation scrap.
I think QPR will be fine, the players they've signed means they'll give most teams a game - lower mid table I reckon. It's not going to be an easy place to win.
To say "no quality whatsoever" is a gross exaggeration. We've had good periods in all of the games to varying degrees. We're just still trying to get the balance right in midfield, it's a situation that the manager has inherited but the signs were that in the second half yesterday the players are starting to get it.
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I think the difference yesterday in the second half was the midfield not sitting as deep, with Delph, Ireland getting in front of Gabby and also pressing the opposition a lot further up.
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Villa only playing for 1 half is a long term thing, I often say to my Dad 'I hope this is our bad half'
It is indeed. During the four years of MON we only ever turned up for one half per game. I also think it's part of the over reaction on here, yesterday was the first time I think we turned up second half, normally it's us falling apart second half and that's what fans remember more.
I look forward (read 'dream') to us putting in a good, solid 90 minutes. I really can't remember the last time we did it.
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I doubt it but ask me again when we play someone decent
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Are you aware Preston is in Lancashire not Yorkshire?!cant even talk about my club now then forget it
Haven't seen the Yorkshire Post today but as far as I know we haven't invaded Preston.
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The real Preston...
(http://wg.popcorn.cx/films/acs/images/preston2.jpg)
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Could we - yes
Will we - I doubt it.
I can see us being in the relegation mix like last season, and leaving it late to get out of it. But I can't see us dropping unless we have two of Bent, Given, and Gabby injured for a long time.
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Yes, we could, with the wrong players getting injured and relying too much on the kids as we did for that very rocky patch last season, Man Utd at home excepted. However, I think it is perhaps more accurate to say we could finish bottom six without getting relegated. That, for me, is more of a possibility. What we are going to see is a lot of 'dog eat dog' results this season as the league is so mediocre and evenly matched below what eventually will turn out be Spurs, Arsenal or Liverpool. We are already seeing lots of teams like QPR, Stoke and Sunderland getting good results one week and disappointing ones the next....
However, in short, I think it likely there will be three worse teams than us
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It's not impossible sadly, but doubtful. In all honesty I don't think we're in any danger of finishing top 6 or bottom 6. We're gonna be somewhere between a distance from above us 7th and a comfortable 14th. I think we're gonna be straight down the middle average. We'll get somewhere between 45-55 points, a bit more if we're lucky.
Injuries might mount and put us in the shit, but there's too many godawful sides below us to worry about going down IMHO. Keep Bent and Gabby fit and the backline for starters, and then get the midfield right. When we do that we may get better performances and a bit more consistency and goals. However our squad is such that any hope of pushing for Europe in the league is very slim indeed. January will show just how much ambition we have. I do think Randy's given up the ghost now.
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No, we have one of the strongest defences outside the top 4 and in Gabby and Bent two of the best strikers. Get the midfield balance right and we'll be upper mid table.
Really? Why do I shit myself every time we have to defend a set piece then?
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No, we have one of the strongest defences outside the top 4 and in Gabby and Bent two of the best strikers. Get the midfield balance right and we'll be upper mid table.
Really? Why do I shit myself every time we have to defend a set piece then?
I tend to agree
Man City will be our first big test as we couldn't have had an easier 7 opening games
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No, we have one of the strongest defences outside the top 4 and in Gabby and Bent two of the best strikers. Get the midfield balance right and we'll be upper mid table.
Really? Why do I shit myself every time we have to defend a set piece then?
Also they give away far to many pointless silly fouls around our box !
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How many free kicks were given around the egde of our box? I don't have an exact count but I think it was about 30,000
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No, we have one of the strongest defences outside the top 4 and in Gabby and Bent two of the best strikers. Get the midfield balance right and we'll be upper mid table.
Really? Why do I shit myself every time we have to defend a set piece then?
IBS?
We've been good on set pieces all season, your incontinence would appear unfounded.
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We give away far too many free kicks - players need to stay on their feet.. Collins does that far too much as do Warnock and Delph. Albrighton's tackling is laughable.
Better sides than QPR would have taken advantage yesterday. Six bookings was about right and we could easily have been down to 10 men.
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No, we have one of the strongest defences outside the top 4 and in Gabby and Bent two of the best strikers. Get the midfield balance right and we'll be upper mid table.
Really? Why do I shit myself every time we have to defend a set piece then?
IBS?
We've been good on set pieces all season, your incontinence would appear unfounded.
Our defending is very seat of your pants though you have to admit Chris, it is not defended through controlling a game, or keeping the opposition at arms length. We are under the cosh much of the game.
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Any bar the usual top 5/6 could go down. The chances are though that it will be one or two of the promoted teams along with some dross from last, i.e. Blackburn and Wigan.
We're unbeaten and 8th in the table so we have a solid base to continue, however, we need some wins quickly.
IF we'd won yesterday rather than conceding that scrappy, crappy goal at the death we'd be 5th with a couple of wins under our belts and feeling a lot more positive.
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We won't go down but we need to be looking for at least seven points from our next three at home - Wigan, Albion and Norwich. We need Bent back and we need to give him some decent service.
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about right Damo ;-)
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I agree with that too, Damo.
McLeish has had a few games now to find his best XI, now he needs to start putting points on the board. Seven points at least is a must, starting with 3 against Wigan.
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FFS get a grip. We are unbeaten after 6 games. Stop this suicidal mindset and think a about positives. Beat Wigan on Saturday and we can concentrate on dismantling Manciti from their perch on October 6th.
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Villa only playing for 1 half is a long term thing, I often say to my Dad 'I hope this is our bad half'
Same here! We've been like this for years, it's criminal.
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We won't go down, it's not a genuine concern for me.
I'm astonished people are already panicking despite us being in the top 8 and unbeaten.
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We won't go down, we've still got Bent and N'zogbia to hit form yet, when that happens we can trouble anybody
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Unbeaten this, unbeaten that.
Man Utd and Man City have great unbeaten runs. Newcastle have a good unbeaten run. Us? Average at best, nothing to brag about considering the teams we've played and the amount of draws we're picking up. Is anyone actually so blind to notice we haven't won 1 game for over a month now, we're actually dropping places and it's gonna get alot harder in the next couple of months?
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We could, but we won't.
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We could, but we won't.
Exactly how I feel.
In fact, I'm actually more optimistic than I was for much of last season, based simply on the fact that our defence looks far more solid.
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Unbeaten this, unbeaten that.
Man Utd and Man City have great unbeaten runs. Newcastle have a good unbeaten run. Us? Average at best, nothing to brag about considering the teams we've played and the amount of draws we're picking up. Is anyone actually so blind to notice we haven't won 1 game for over a month now, we're actually dropping places and it's gonna get alot harder in the next couple of months?
You were telling us last week that we'd be easily beaten at QPR, now that was wrong you're telling us being unbeaten isn't important.
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We could, of course, but we probably won't. I don't think it'll particularly be a season to remember though.
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There are plenty of teams more shit than us. Mainly everyone who finished below us last season.
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There are plenty of teams more shit than us. Mainly everyone who finished below us last season.
11-3=8
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We could, but we won't.
I think this is pretty much spot on. Yes we are unbeaten, but the fixtures not the most difficult and the manner of our performances not the best. We should have too much quality to have to worry about it, but so called big names of the the past (Forest, Wednesday, Newcastle) have fallen foul of the 'too good to go down label'. We need to be mindful but not throw the toys out of the pram unnecessarily.
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In January i reckon Heskey, Beye and Cuellar will depart allowing us to strengthen the midfield. We'll have a good second half of the season.
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If we can get Bent firing this side of Christmas we should pick up a few wins. We will need to start scoring goals soon though. I think we will finish anywhere between 15th and 8th. There's a lot of teams going to be separated by very little in the middle of the table.
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If we're so bad, what does that make the three clubs we've played away and who couldn't beat us? I don't see them panicking.
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Are you aware Preston is in Lancashire not Yorkshire?!
You beat me to it Deero83
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No, we have one of the strongest defences outside the top 4 and in Gabby and Bent two of the best strikers. Get the midfield balance right and we'll be upper mid table.
Really? Why do I shit myself every time we have to defend a set piece then?
Brilliant Post, gets this thread award for me, simply because its true, frankly whenever anybody gets in our box, you just no the only thing between a goal being scored and not is Shay Given and hope.
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We could, but I highly because there are teams way worse than us and we still have players to come back from injury, players to hit top form (n'zogbia, ireland, bent) and players like bannan and gabby in form
Add that to a new found confidence in the team and much improved defending and we could be looking 8th - 6th.
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No, we have one of the strongest defences outside the top 4 and in Gabby and Bent two of the best strikers. Get the midfield balance right and we'll be upper mid table.
Really? Why do I shit myself every time we have to defend a set piece then?
Brilliant Post, gets this thread award for me, simply because its true, frankly whenever anybody gets in our box, you just no the only thing between a goal being scored and not is Shay Given and hope.
And nothing to do with the excellent form of both Collins and Dunne?
And just to check, how many teams have conceded fewer goals than us?
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My word there are some sad sacks about at present.
Now, the first half against QPR was abysmal, the worst I've seen us play, maybe ever. But even THAT doesn't make me think for one second we'll get relegated.
Reasons why (should you need them) we won't get relegated are our resilience, Shay Given, our solid defence, Darren Bent, Barry Bannan, Alex McLeish (yes that's right), Randy Lerner. The only thing I can think that is already making this season almost unbearable is the constant fucking moaning (so I'll stop adding to it right now).
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Now, the first half against QPR was abysmal, the worst I've seen us play, maybe ever. But even THAT doesn't make me think for one second we'll get relegated.
Reasons why (should you need them) we won't get relegated are our resilience, Shay Given, our solid defence, Darren Bent, Barry Bannan, Alex McLeish (yes that's right), Randy Lerner. The only thing I can think that is already making this season almost unbearable is the constant fucking moaning (so I'll stop adding to it right now).
Re the 1st half, it was bad but it wasn't the worst surely? We've played worse many times under O'dreary and even played bad under mon
The last paragraph, is correct, agree 100%. Particuarly with the moaning bit. Do people not get bored with constant moaning? Be happy, it makes life a lot more fun...
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i havent mentioned anything to do with blues so how could i be a fan. just because i said something that was deemed negative and that people wont agree with does not make me a scum!
It is a little suspicious that a Villa fan in Yorkshire has his/her location as Preston!
"Location: Preston
Posts: 17
Villa fan in yorkshire!! UTV"
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Now, the first half against QPR was abysmal, the worst I've seen us play, maybe ever. But even THAT doesn't make me think for one second we'll get relegated.
Reasons why (should you need them) we won't get relegated are our resilience, Shay Given, our solid defence, Darren Bent, Barry Bannan, Alex McLeish (yes that's right), Randy Lerner. The only thing I can think that is already making this season almost unbearable is the constant fucking moaning (so I'll stop adding to it right now).
Re the 1st half, it was bad but it wasn't the worst surely? We've played worse many times under O'dreary and even played bad under mon
The last paragraph, is correct, agree 100%. Particuarly with the moaning bit. Do people not get bored with constant moaning? Be happy, it makes life a lot more fun...
I can't remember too many worse performances than that. Maybe it's just fresher in the memory, but we couldn't get near QPR (that's QPR!!!) and looked like a pub team. What was great was the reaction second half.
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I dont think you can be certain of anything, a couple of bad defeats or a couple of inspirng wins could change the landscape. A few injuries and we could really struggle there is not much back up. This squad is weaker than last years.
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I can't remember too many worse performances than that. Maybe it's just fresher in the memory, but we couldn't get near QPR (that's QPR!!!) and looked like a pub team. What was great was the reaction second half.
Pretty much any home game v boro could combat that? The game we last 2 1 where sidwell scored an og and they scored with 5 mins to go stands out for me
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No, we have one of the strongest defences outside the top 4 and in Gabby and Bent two of the best strikers. Get the midfield balance right and we'll be upper mid table.
Really? Why do I shit myself every time we have to defend a set piece then?
Brilliant Post, gets this thread award for me, simply because its true, frankly whenever anybody gets in our box, you just no the only thing between a goal being scored and not is Shay Given and hope.
And nothing to do with the excellent form of both Collins and Dunne?
And just to check, how many teams have conceded fewer goals than us?
Quite a few teams conceded more goals than Birmingham City last season. Including 9th placed Aston Villa.
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I think, contrary to belief, that we do have money to spend but Randy wanted to see where we were in terms of the core team. He will be willing to spend in January, and he will open his checkbook for incoming talent. That being said, I can't see us going down. Sunderland, Fulham, Blackburn, West Brom and Bolton are all crap right now as far as I'm concerned, and those are the somewhat big teams with issues.. the smaller and newly promoted sides will also struggle much more than us, ie. Wigan, Swansea, Wolves, QPR and Norwich. I don't believe any other them will be able to hack a full campaign better than we will. We'll stay up "comfortably."
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PNB Army = Pink 'N' Baby Blue Army. Don't take a lot of working out does it.
And I bet you have a relation called Barry.
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I think, contrary to belief, that we do have money to spend but Randy wanted to see where we were in terms of the core team. He will be willing to spend in January, and he will open his checkbook for incoming talent.
Boy are you going to be disappointed.
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I think, contrary to belief, that we do have money to spend but Randy wanted to see where we were in terms of the core team. He will be willing to spend in January, and he will open his checkbook for incoming talent.
Boy are you going to be disappointed.
As recently as last week to the Supporters Consultation (or is it Consolation?) Group, Paul Faulkner was telling us that the club has to stand on its own two feet.
It is bemusing how so many people seem reluctant to accept this, despite it being made pretty clear by the club, and despite recent evidence backing it up. Standing on its own two feet doesn't just mean getting the wage bill down, it means living within its means in all senses.
I honestly think there are a lot of people on here who think we're just taking a spell off, ready for another spending assault. There wil be a lot of disappointed people.
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I think, contrary to belief, that we do have money to spend but Randy wanted to see where we were in terms of the core team. He will be willing to spend in January, and he will open his checkbook for incoming talent.
Boy are you going to be disappointed.
As recently as last week to the Supporters Consultation (or is it Consolation?) Group, Paul Faulkner was telling us that the club has to stand on its own two feet.
It is bemusing how so many people seem reluctant to accept this, despite it being made pretty clear by the club, and despite recent evidence backing it up. Standing on its own two feet doesn't just mean getting the wage bill down, it means living within its means in all senses.
I honestly think there are a lot of people on here who think we're just taking a spell off, ready for another spending assault. There wil be a lot of disappointed people.
With reasonable clubs, not the mega-rich, football works in cycles. If you don't think Randy will make some signings in January I think you, yourself, are delusional.
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Did any of the "we're doomed" mob see Sunderland defend tonight?
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Did any of the "we're doomed" mob see Sunderland defend tonight?
I didn't.. care to elaborate? Then again, I'm not part of the crowd that believes we're doomed in the slightest.
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Imagine what we would be saying If we had spent what Sunderland had spent and then played like that .
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I think, contrary to belief, that we do have money to spend but Randy wanted to see where we were in terms of the core team. He will be willing to spend in January, and he will open his checkbook for incoming talent.
Boy are you going to be disappointed.
As recently as last week to the Supporters Consultation (or is it Consolation?) Group, Paul Faulkner was telling us that the club has to stand on its own two feet.
It is bemusing how so many people seem reluctant to accept this, despite it being made pretty clear by the club, and despite recent evidence backing it up. Standing on its own two feet doesn't just mean getting the wage bill down, it means living within its means in all senses.
I honestly think there are a lot of people on here who think we're just taking a spell off, ready for another spending assault. There wil be a lot of disappointed people.
With reasonable clubs, not the mega-rich, football works in cycles. If you don't think Randy will make some signings in January I think you, yourself, are delusional.
Delusional, or going off this summer and what the club have actually said?
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Imagine what we would be saying If we had spent what Sunderland had spent and then played like that .
Bruce's arse must be twitching right now :)
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I think, contrary to belief, that we do have money to spend but Randy wanted to see where we were in terms of the core team. He will be willing to spend in January, and he will open his checkbook for incoming talent.
Boy are you going to be disappointed.
As recently as last week to the Supporters Consultation (or is it Consolation?) Group, Paul Faulkner was telling us that the club has to stand on its own two feet.
It is bemusing how so many people seem reluctant to accept this, despite it being made pretty clear by the club, and despite recent evidence backing it up. Standing on its own two feet doesn't just mean getting the wage bill down, it means living within its means in all senses.
I honestly think there are a lot of people on here who think we're just taking a spell off, ready for another spending assault. There wil be a lot of disappointed people.
With reasonable clubs, not the mega-rich, football works in cycles. If you don't think Randy will make some signings in January I think you, yourself, are delusional.
Delusional, or going off this summer and what the club have actually said?
They've never gone back on their word before. ::)
Let's be real, if you don't think we'll buy a soul in January.. that's ludicrous.
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I sense a moving of the goal posts. I didn't say that we wouldn't "buy a soul" just that he won't be willing to spend. I don't for instance, think that we "spent" this summer, even though we wasted £10m on the utterly shite N'Zogbia, because it came on the back of getting nearly £40m for Young and Downing.
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I sense a moving of the goal posts. I didn't say that we wouldn't "buy a soul" just that he won't be willing to spend. I don't for instance, think that we "spent" this summer, even though we wasted £10m on the utterly shite N'Zogbia, because it came on the back of getting nearly £40m for Young and Downing.
Agree to disagree. Depending on our situation come Christmas only time will tell.
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Six games and we've decided N'Zogbia is "utterly shite" and that we've wasted the money we spent on him. The impatience and short term thinking is getting beyond a joke now.
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Six games and we've decided N'Zogbia is "utterly shite" and that we've wasted the money we spent on him. The impatience and short term thinking is getting beyond a joke now.
He has been shyte, doesn't mean he'll always be shyte as he has the ability.
I can't wait to see him doing what he did for Wigan, and hope he does it against them on Saturday.
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Oh well whatever money we waste is just Randys... Oh shit its not!
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If we're so bad, what does that make the three clubs we've played away and who couldn't beat us? I don't see them panicking.
Well they would hardly come on H+V to panic ;)
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the other question is how we'll handle a bad run. The confidence hardly seems skyhigh now while we're unbeaten and a couple of defeats on the bounce. well are we gonna go the same way as blose?
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That's a valid question and one I'm sure we'll find out the answer to as no club outisde the top 2 or 3 will go without a bad run at some point. Confidence is one thing, but character is another and I think we displayed a lot of character coming from behind twice against Everton and getting a draw while playing badly. So I'm optomistic we'll get through it with not too much damage.
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the other question is how we'll handle a bad run. The confidence hardly seems skyhigh now while we're unbeaten and a couple of defeats on the bounce. well are we gonna go the same way as blose?
Yes and to an extent the first half on Sunday was a hangover from the defeat midweek so I suppose that he was able to get them to play a lot better in the second is a good sign.
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the other question is how we'll handle a bad run. The confidence hardly seems skyhigh now while we're unbeaten and a couple of defeats on the bounce. well are we gonna go the same way as blose?
Yes and to an extent the first half on Sunday was a hangover from the defeat midweek so I suppose that he was able to get them to play a lot better in the second is a good sign.
Yep, 1st half we looked like a bottom 3 side, 2nd half was like top 6 side - we should have had it wrapped up well before they scored. Keep playing like that and we'll be fine.
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We have 8 points from a possible 18. Considering the run of fixtures we have had it is worrying.
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We have 8 points from a possible 18. Considering the run of fixtures we have had it is worrying.
You say that as if we should have got all 18, which is unrealistic for virtually anyone. I think we dropped points against Wolves and Newcastle at home, but draws against a Fulham side further along then we were at the time and at Goodison are acceptable in the larger scheme of things. QPR is a difficult one to judge, so I'd say it's 4-6 points dropped from what we realistically should have got.
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I think the only game where we should have taken all three points was the Newcastle game. I've been happy enough with the other league results, even if the perfomances have'nt been fully up to scratch.
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This thread is hysterical (and not in a funny sense). The next game against Wigan can't come quickly enough even if its just to give us something to talk about.
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This thread is hysterical (and not in a funny sense). The next game against Wigan can't come quickly enough even if its just to give us something to talk about.
To be fair,it was started by a trolling Blues fan
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This thread is hysterical (and not in a funny sense). The next game against Wigan can't come quickly enough even if its just to give us something to talk about.
To be fair,it was started by a trolling Blues fan
In which case the answer is without doubt 'yes'. The Europa League will stretch an already painfully thin and piss poor squad and a relegation battle looks very likely.
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There aren't 3 worse teams than us, there are about 9 or 10 teams worse than us.
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Our season will not be decided by results against the top 4 so it's a bit of a red herring to talk about them. It will be how we do against the rest, so far we've played 3 teams who I reckon will be in the mid table group (Fulham, Everton and Newcastle) and have drawn them all - 2 away from home. It hasn't been pretty but we've shown enough bottle and resilience to suggest we're not going to be a soft touch.
We've also played teams like QPR and Wolves who you'd think will be scrapping it out to avoid relegation, and we've drawn with them too. This season is going exactly as I thought it would. Turgid, horrible football with lots of draws. No quality whatsoever, but hard enough to beat that we probably won't be sucked into a relegation scrap.
Good post and foresight, I thought we had a bit more TBH then to be completely transformed into a demi Birmingham City which is basically what your saying in terms of the results and type of football, perhaps I have been a tad to optimistic.
top bloke pal (y)i dont get to go to many games as i dont live here anymore but from what i hear from both sets of fans seems to be the same. talksport the other night there was a vila fan who said all his blues mates told him exactly what games wud be like and he was rigt
Go away Bluenose.
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Considering the fact that most people on here are agreed that this is a thread started by a nose troll. Why are you keeping it going?
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There is actually room for a debate in this. And the fact everyone knows means we can ignore any of the shite he says. That's the way I'm seeing this anyway
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Yes, we could. We got dragged into a relegation battle last season, and the squad is weaker now. And we have less experience to deal with such a situation. Still, if we manage to build on yesterday's second half performance, we should float into a safe mid-table position quite comfortably. So it's too early to worry about relegation now. Hopefully we'll feel safe come February.
Teams at the bottom are much weaker than they were last season thankfully. The 3rd relegated team won't get near 39 points like last season imo.