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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: tom jennings IV on September 12, 2011, 12:52:09 PM
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Any further news? This from Goal.com
Villa striker Emile Heskey played just a small part of the game after starting the match as he yielded to a hamstring problem. McLeish was disappointed to see the former Liverpool man come off after featuring in every game so far this season.
McLeish explained: “He’s pulled a hamstring, [we] don’t know how serious [the injury is], he’ll have a scan on Monday. It’s disappointing because he’s been involved in every game, he’s come through all the games really strong and after a two week break you’d feel that the fatigue will be gone and they’ll have recovered and he does his hammy [hamstring], but these things happen in football.”
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/09/10/2659620/alex-mcleish-praises-aston-villa-character-after-fightback (http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/09/10/2659620/alex-mcleish-praises-aston-villa-character-after-fightback)
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I would never revel in a player's injury but, (how did you know there was going to be a "but"?) if it forces AM to look at a different starting line-up, it may have come at a convenient time.
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Hope its nothing too trivial.
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Time for Bazza/Ireland to step up and make that place their own.
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Obviously having Heskey playing in the role he has been isn't ideal, but I think the way screech et al were able to comfortably dominate the game against us for most of the time on Saturday shows that the lack of strength in our midfield is a problem.
I think AM was trying to address this when he signed Jenas. I can see him coming in for Delph when fit, making Mcleish more comfortable with leaving Heskey out and playing Bannan in a floating role behind Bent.
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Double post div.
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I would like to see Marc Albrighton come back into the side I think his cross for Gabby's goal showed we need that sort of service from the wings.
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Out until middle of May
*fingers crossed*
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Yes, let's hope a Villa player is seriously injured.
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Jenas out for up to two weeks possibly as well!
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I couldn't give a toss about Heskey
Too old
Too shit
He's a multi millionaire
If he did have an injury for a year so what
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I couldn't give a toss about Heskey
Too old
Too shit
He's a multi millionaire
If he did have an injury for a year so what
He plays for the team you support. That's what.
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I couldn't give a toss about Heskey
Too old
Too shit
He's a multi millionaire
If he did have an injury for a year so what
We'd be making him even richer for doing nothing. He's useful player to have around, you're just too blinkered to see it.
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We'd be making him even richer for doing nothing. He's useful player to have around, you're just too blinkered to see it.
There's shelves to put up and windows to clean. I'm not surprised he was knackered so soon on saturday after he lead the protest march at Goodison, that was him carrying the cake wasn't it?
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I couldn't give a toss about Heskey
Too old
Too shit
He's a multi millionaire
If he did have an injury for a year so what
He plays for the team you support. That's what.
I dont think he sees it Dave.
As crap as I think Heskey is he is still a Villa player and to wish him out long term injured is just unbelievable.
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Some people can't distinguish between a poor player trying their best and a good one taking the piss. Emile is the former and as such we should have no malice towards him.
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Yes, let's hope a Villa player is seriously injured.
Indeed. What a dick
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A long-term injury won't help matters if a club were to come in for Heskey in January. If anything, however, Heskey going off on Saturday might have given AM something to think about as far as Bannan's performance in that position is concerned.
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Hes a shit player who plays shit and does not try his best. For £60,000 a week we deserve a lot more. 17 mins at Everton is taking the piss.
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17 mins at Everton is taking the piss.
Did he injure himself on purpose then?
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17 mins at Everton is taking the piss.
Did he injure himself on purpose then?
He must have done, no one gets injured until at least 34 min.
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I couldn't give a toss about Heskey
Too old
Too shit
He's a multi millionaire
If he did have an injury for a year so what
He plays for the team you support. That's what.
I dont think he sees it Dave.
As crap as I think Heskey is he is still a Villa player and to wish him out long term injured is just unbelievable.
it is a stupid post from someone that makes his posts from the very edge of a high bridge. I can't recall one comment that he has made that is remotely positive, encouraging or optimistic. He's nothing but a downer on all things Villa. Feel free to not be a fan of Heskey, but to wishthat he has a serious injury is quite pathetic.
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Heskey going off on Saturday might have given AM something to think about as far as Bannan's performance in that position is concerned.
It might, but the fact that he got quite easliy out-muscled by Fellaini a few times might mean he doesn't come to the conclusion we want once he's done his thinking.
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I've never been a fan of Emule but he's done relatively well in the few games so far this season. We could do without more injuries so soon into the season and would have preferred AM to make team selections based on tactical decisions and playing style rather than being forced into it through injuries.
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17 mins at Everton is taking the piss.
Did he injure himself on purpose then?
I reckon it was a self inflicted blood injury like they had in the egg chasing a few years ago!
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the fact that BB got quite easliy out-muscled by Fellaini a few times might mean he doesn't come to the conclusion we want once he's done his thinking.
Correct - always been the problem with the lad. That's why the two other CMF have got to be good all-rounders, to cover for BB's slightness.
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He's not all bad. He works hard, does a lot of running and gives some physicality in the team. He's not my favourite player, I wouldn't pick him but to wish injury on him is the height of prickery especially as he has not performed especially badly this season so far.
Besides, I get the feeling that those hoping should he be injured that Bannan or Ireland will replace him will be rudely disappointed as I'm sure it will be Jenas.
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I don't wish injury on him, its just now that he is, I hope he is kept out of the team for a long time by the more talented replacement, be that Albrighton, Bannan, Ireland, Jenas....
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one things for certain its not Emille thats been taking performance enhancing drugs
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one things for certain its not Emille thats been taking performance enhancing drugs
wrong thread, should have been posted in the drugs thread, oh well
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Oh well never mind I wish him the best. I hope he recovers in time for january transfer window and finds himself a good championship club.
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Out until middle of May
*fingers crossed*
That's the kind of comment you'd expect to read on a Small Heath forum. Small minded and lacking in intelligence. Well done.
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Get well soon, Emile. You'll have to fight for your place back, should things go well.
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I couldn't give a toss about Heskey
Too old
Too shit
He's a multi millionaire
If he did have an injury for a year so what
Lets hope your employer does not sack you for being a useless lazy bastard talentless employee surfing the internet in work time, only an view so what
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Get well soon, Emile
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All this Heskey slagging just remember one thing. His got 63 England caps and was rated by MON, Sven , Steve Bruce, Gerard Houiller.
All managers that have won trophies with him in there team and no more in there little finger than any off us
He never slagged our club off compared to some so back off
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Get well soon Emile.
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All managers that have won trophies with him in there team and no more in there little finger than any off us
That's a pretty dangerous road to go down Richard.
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All managers that have won trophies with him in there team and no more in there little finger than any off us
That's a pretty dangerous road to go down Richard.
Why Dave, the guy was picked by managers who have in teams won champions league (Sven), been in Championship Winning team (MON and Bruce) and won trophies like the UEFA cup ( Houiller)
Whilst he not my fav player, he is our player and respected club a lot more than other like Platt, Hodge etc over last 20 years
He not the best player but not the worst and wishing him injured is sad.
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All managers that have won trophies with him in there team and no more in there little finger than any off us
That's a pretty dangerous road to go down Richard.
Why Dave, the guy was picked by managers who have in teams won champions league (Sven), been in Championship Winning team (MON and Bruce) and won trophies like the UEFA cup ( Houiller)
Because the logical conclusion to that train of thought is that we should defer to any opinion that is more professionally qualified.
Don't like U2? Well you've not written any songs so you don't know what you're talking about.
Don't like George Osbourn? Well you're not a professional economist so you don't know what you're talking about.
Think that Sex In The City is a shit film? Well I don't see you making anything any better.
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I'm sure Tom hanks could write something better. He's a villain.
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''shit players'' don't get 63 England caps and get to play for great teams like Aston Villa... and good teams like Liverpool. I assume some people come on here and write stupid things , like hoping Villa players are seriously injured, just because they're bored and like winding people up. Or are there really people that think that way?
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There comes a time when you have to bow to the weight of professional opinion. He's played all of his career in the PL, he's been regularly picked be top rated managers, he's been praised by top level team mates and has a shelf loaded down with England caps.
If you take all of that and still think he's shit then it suggests that you don't understand the game as well as you think you do. To my mind it's what he does for the team that is what they all see in him, the way he occupies defenders and shoulders a huge part of the physical burden and let's others get on with doing it.
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Hope its not serious, don't think it will be of a major concern with Heskey being unavailable, we may now be forced to find a better option, lets hope because he hasn't that many more miles in him anyway.
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Reading this thread makes me ashamed to be a Villa fan, which I have been for the past 45 years.
Judging by some of the responses I hope the idiots are in a minority; what do they think fans of other clubs who read this thread will think, FFS?
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We`re going to miss him when we play the more stronger tackling sides i.e. Stoke
He is not my favourite player and I wish him all the best and he will hopefully have to fight for his place back when fit
Oh and Sex in The City is a shit film whatever people say
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Get well soon, Emile!
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Hes a shit player who plays shit and does not try his best. For £60,000 a week we deserve a lot more. 17 mins at Everton is taking the piss.
Fucking hell, the 'Blame Heskey for everything' brigade have been boiling my piss for weeks, but this takes the biscuit. He was fucking injured, what did you want him to do?
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Can't say i'm that bothered he's injured. Hardly a loss is it? But he seems a nice bloke who tries at least. Always been on a loser ever since he arrived as the man to fire us to CL qualification. He never was that man, and its not his fault the clueless man in charge at the time thought he was. Wishing him injured seems a tad over the top
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Let's all calm down. The Evening Mail was saying yesterday Heskey's looking at two weeks out, same with Jenas. Nothing long-term to see here, let's move on...
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There comes a time when you have to bow to the weight of professional opinion. He's played all of his career in the PL, he's been regularly picked be top rated managers, he's been praised by top level team mates and has a shelf loaded down with England caps.
If you take all of that and still think he's shit then it suggests that you don't understand the game as well as you think you do. To my mind it's what he does for the team that is what they all see in him, the way he occupies defenders and shoulders a huge part of the physical burden and let's others get on with doing it.
Blimey. Spot on.
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Ye really good assesment. He is never going to be a stand out player but his input does a lot for the team all over the park ......
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Why wish ill on Heskey I don't know as he plays (or is employed at least) for the Villa? He has never bad mouthed us (or any other of his clubs as far as I know). We have a thin enough squad so can't afford injuries - cast your minds back to the middle of last season.
Yes he is probably one of the most frustrating players over the last 15 years. He was perfect physical article as a teenager including one day when he ripped Southgate a new arsehole at VP but never really kicked on thereafter and that is all up top.
Remember this - he has contributed more to Villa than the self professed Villa Worshipper Collymore ever did.
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Yes he is probably one of the most frustrating players over the last 15 years. He was perfect physical article as a teenager including one day when he ripped Southgate a new arsehole at VP but never really kicked on thereafter and that is all up top.
I remember that. He was only about 18 or 19 but he looked immense.
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Why wish ill on Heskey I don't know as he plays (or is employed at least) for the Villa? He has never bad mouthed us (or any other of his clubs as far as I know). We have a thin enough squad so can't afford injuries - cast your minds back to the middle of last season.
Yes he is probably one of the most frustrating players over the last 15 years. He was perfect physical article as a teenager including one day when he ripped Southgate a new arsehole at VP but never really kicked on thereafter and that is all up top.
Remember this - he has contributed more to Villa than the self professed Villa Worshipper Collymore ever did.
A quick wiki reveals that Heskey has managed overall 14 goals in 3 and a half years, whereas Collymore scored 15 in 3 years. So although he is a much nicer bloke than Collymore, and has more than likely appeared in the shirt more times, contribution is to be debated.
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Why wish ill on Heskey I don't know as he plays (or is employed at least) for the Villa? He has never bad mouthed us (or any other of his clubs as far as I know). We have a thin enough squad so can't afford injuries - cast your minds back to the middle of last season.
Yes he is probably one of the most frustrating players over the last 15 years. He was perfect physical article as a teenager including one day when he ripped Southgate a new arsehole at VP but never really kicked on thereafter and that is all up top.
Remember this - he has contributed more to Villa than the self professed Villa Worshipper Collymore ever did.
A quick wiki reveals that Heskey has managed overall 14 goals in 3 and a half years, whereas Collymore scored 15 in 3 years. So although he is a much nicer bloke than Collymore, and has more than likely appeared in the shirt more times, contribution is to be debated.
Didn't we sign him in Jan 2009?
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Yes 2009. I got it wrong, it just seems longer than 2 and a half years!
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Why wish ill on Heskey I don't know as he plays (or is employed at least) for the Villa? He has never bad mouthed us (or any other of his clubs as far as I know). We have a thin enough squad so can't afford injuries - cast your minds back to the middle of last season.
Yes he is probably one of the most frustrating players over the last 15 years. He was perfect physical article as a teenager including one day when he ripped Southgate a new arsehole at VP but never really kicked on thereafter and that is all up top.
Remember this - he has contributed more to Villa than the self professed Villa Worshipper Collymore ever did.
A quick wiki reveals that Heskey has managed overall 14 goals in 3 and a half years, whereas Collymore scored 15 in 3 years. So although he is a much nicer bloke than Collymore, and has more than likely appeared in the shirt more times, contribution is to be debated.
Didn't we sign him in Jan 2009?
How many games did they both play, anyone know?
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There comes a time when you have to bow to the weight of professional opinion. He's played all of his career in the PL, he's been regularly picked be top rated managers, he's been praised by top level team mates and has a shelf loaded down with England caps.
If you take all of that and still think he's shit then it suggests that you don't understand the game as well as you think you do. To my mind it's what he does for the team that is what they all see in him, the way he occupies defenders and shoulders a huge part of the physical burden and let's others get on with doing it.
Think he is shit because he is shit.
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Wish I hadn't looked in this bore fest of a thread.
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Why wish ill on Heskey I don't know as he plays (or is employed at least) for the Villa? He has never bad mouthed us (or any other of his clubs as far as I know). We have a thin enough squad so can't afford injuries - cast your minds back to the middle of last season.
Yes he is probably one of the most frustrating players over the last 15 years. He was perfect physical article as a teenager including one day when he ripped Southgate a new arsehole at VP but never really kicked on thereafter and that is all up top.
Remember this - he has contributed more to Villa than the self professed Villa Worshipper Collymore ever did.
A quick wiki reveals that Heskey has managed overall 14 goals in 3 and a half years, whereas Collymore scored 15 in 3 years. So although he is a much nicer bloke than Collymore, and has more than likely appeared in the shirt more times, contribution is to be debated.
Great point .......
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MCleish has confirmed on OS that Emile out for 2-3 weeks maybe longer. Jenas out for Newcastle but hoping fit for Bolton and Lichaj 3-4 months out following hip operation
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MCleish has confirmed on OS that Emile out for 2-3 weeks maybe longer. Jenas out for Newcastle but hoping fit for Bolton and Lichaj 3-4 months out following hip operation
This is a great opportunity for Bannan. Come on the wee man, time to step up!
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I think Bannan will play on Saturday but after that Jenas will take that spot until Heskey's back. Ireland seems miles away from the starting 11 now, as he'd be behind all 3 of them and Albrighton too for a place in the team.
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There comes a time when you have to bow to the weight of professional opinion. He's played all of his career in the PL, he's been regularly picked be top rated managers, he's been praised by top level team mates and has a shelf loaded down with England caps.
If you take all of that and still think he's shit then it suggests that you don't understand the game as well as you think you do. To my mind it's what he does for the team that is what they all see in him, the way he occupies defenders and shoulders a huge part of the physical burden and let's others get on with doing it.
Think he is shit because he is shit.
Are you a moron because I think you are?
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There comes a time when you have to bow to the weight of professional opinion. He's played all of his career in the PL, he's been regularly picked be top rated managers, he's been praised by top level team mates and has a shelf loaded down with England caps.
If you take all of that and still think he's shit then it suggests that you don't understand the game as well as you think you do. To my mind it's what he does for the team that is what they all see in him, the way he occupies defenders and shoulders a huge part of the physical burden and let's others get on with doing it.
Think he is shit because he is shit.
Are you a moron because I think you are?
Come on guys, be reasonable.
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There comes a time when you have to bow to the weight of professional opinion. He's played all of his career in the PL, he's been regularly picked be top rated managers, he's been praised by top level team mates and has a shelf loaded down with England caps.
If you take all of that and still think he's shit then it suggests that you don't understand the game as well as you think you do. To my mind it's what he does for the team that is what they all see in him, the way he occupies defenders and shoulders a huge part of the physical burden and let's others get on with doing it.
Think he is shit because he is shit.
Are you a moron because I think you are?
Just because I don't agree with other people's opinion of a player hardly qualifies me as a moron.
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Why wish ill on Heskey I don't know as he plays (or is employed at least) for the Villa? He has never bad mouthed us (or any other of his clubs as far as I know). We have a thin enough squad so can't afford injuries - cast your minds back to the middle of last season.
Yes he is probably one of the most frustrating players over the last 15 years. He was perfect physical article as a teenager including one day when he ripped Southgate a new arsehole at VP but never really kicked on thereafter and that is all up top.
Remember this - he has contributed more to Villa than the self professed Villa Worshipper Collymore ever did.
A quick wiki reveals that Heskey has managed overall 14 goals in 3 and a half years, whereas Collymore scored 15 in 3 years. So although he is a much nicer bloke than Collymore, and has more than likely appeared in the shirt more times, contribution is to be debated.
Great point .......
The difference is that unless SVC scored he gave us nothing else, where as Heskey does.
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Just because I don't agree with other people's opinion of a player hardly qualifies me as a moron.
And just because you think he's shit doesn't mean he is, especially considering how highly he's rated by people within the game.
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Why wish ill on Heskey I don't know as he plays (or is employed at least) for the Villa? He has never bad mouthed us (or any other of his clubs as far as I know). We have a thin enough squad so can't afford injuries - cast your minds back to the middle of last season.
Yes he is probably one of the most frustrating players over the last 15 years. He was perfect physical article as a teenager including one day when he ripped Southgate a new arsehole at VP but never really kicked on thereafter and that is all up top.
Remember this - he has contributed more to Villa than the self professed Villa Worshipper Collymore ever did.
A quick wiki reveals that Heskey has managed overall 14 goals in 3 and a half years, whereas Collymore scored 15 in 3 years. So although he is a much nicer bloke than Collymore, and has more than likely appeared in the shirt more times, contribution is to be debated.
Great point .......
The difference is that unless SVC scored he gave us nothing else, where as Heskey does.
That point is patently untrue for the famous "Father Christmas" game when we came back from 2-0 to beat Arsenal. It was Collymore coming on as substitute that changed the game, although he didn't score.
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Totally agree with M'Zog.
In some fan's eyes, Collymore could do no wrong and Heskey has been rubbish since day one.
Unless Collymore was interested (and I can only remember Liverpool and A.Madrid at home in 97/98), we might as well have had 10 men on the pitch.
For a transfer fee that in todays money in football would be the equivalent of around £25 million - that's not good enough in my opinion.
Heskey was around £2 million, has never been an out and out goalscorer, and has always given his all.
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N'ot3badbia - agreed. I'd forgot the impact he had in the Arsenal match.
But I'm struggling to think of any more.
To be honest, thats the most frustrating thing. The odd glimpse of magic that we all knew he had that happened once in a bluemoon.
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Why wish ill on Heskey I don't know as he plays (or is employed at least) for the Villa? He has never bad mouthed us (or any other of his clubs as far as I know). We have a thin enough squad so can't afford injuries - cast your minds back to the middle of last season.
Yes he is probably one of the most frustrating players over the last 15 years. He was perfect physical article as a teenager including one day when he ripped Southgate a new arsehole at VP but never really kicked on thereafter and that is all up top.
Remember this - he has contributed more to Villa than the self professed Villa Worshipper Collymore ever did.
A quick wiki reveals that Heskey has managed overall 14 goals in 3 and a half years, whereas Collymore scored 15 in 3 years. So although he is a much nicer bloke than Collymore, and has more than likely appeared in the shirt more times, contribution is to be debated.
Great point .......
The difference is that unless SVC scored he gave us nothing else, where as Heskey does.
That point is patently untrue for the famous "Father Christmas" game when we came back from 2-0 to beat Arsenal. It was Collymore coming on as substitute that changed the game, although he didn't score.
I remember the game so won't argue, but for me that was the exception. He used to just stand out on the left wing wating for the ball so he could cut in on his right and have a shot. Hardly one for general team play and work ethic.
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Heskey was around £2 million
£3.5 million plus his £60,000 a week wages. Don't wish ill on the guy but I do wish i'd never had the pleasure of watching him in an Aston Villa shirt as I think he's useless. I realise this means I know next to nothing about professional football but I can live with that.
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I never saw the fee as a problem with Heskey. Taking away opinions of the player for a minute, it was quite moderate for an expereinced PL player and England international. However, we did put him on too much money.
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I never saw the fee as a problem with Heskey. Taking away opinions of the player for a minute, it was quite moderate for an expereinced PL player and England international. However, we did put him on too much money.
.. and for too long.
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When you think he's not much different now, going into the last year of his contract, from the player we signed in January 2009, then the length doesn't seem to be the problem.
As I said, his wages are the biggest issue of the financial package.
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And Heskey was put on too long a contract, as someone pointed out a few replies up.
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To me a contract being too long is all about the players powers deserting him as he gets older to the point where you have a high paid non-player on your hands. It may be because he wasn't all that good to begin with, but with Heskey his level of contribution hasn't deteriorated since Jan 2009. So whatever he was worth then he's worth now, but at neither point has his 'worth' been £60k a week.
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I'd agree with the point about Heskey's wages being too high - if we know that he's on 60k a week, I'm always a wee bit sceptical about these figures getting bandied about - but then that applies to 90% of PL footballers today. What I will say about Heskey is that, since his time at Villa, he's at least earned his money by being a regular pick under the various managers when fit. We can't say the same about everyone else.
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When you think he's not much different now, going into the last year of his contract, from the player we signed in January 2009, then the length doesn't seem to be the problem.
You mean he's still as crap as when we first bought him? Yes, he does a bit, had a couple of good games under Houllier but with hindsight he should have been a six month loan. Both the length and value of his contract were criminal, not that I blame him for accepting it. Who wouldn't?
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When you think he's not much different now, going into the last year of his contract, from the player we signed in January 2009, then the length doesn't seem to be the problem.
As I said, his wages are the biggest issue of the financial package.
A club paying a 35 year old 65k a week is a club with a wages problem, so the length of contract has everything to do with it - at some point, someone thought giving a 3.5 year contract to a 31 year old on 65k a week was a good idea.
That's an indication of why we are where we are now.
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A club paying a 35 year old 65k a week is a club with a wages problem, so the length of contract has everything to do with it - at some point, someone thought giving a 3.5 year contract to a 31 year old on 65k a week was a good idea.
That's an indication of why we are where we are now.
Lets imagine for a minute that he was a top striker and worth his wages in Jan 2009, then 3.5 years later he isn't as his powers fade due to age. That's giving someone too long a contract. Putting a player on £60k a week and finding out they aren't worth it is the problem - the fact they still aren't worth it in 3.5 years later is secondary.
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Putting a player on £60k a week and finding out they aren't worth it is the problem - the fact they still aren't worth it in 3.5 years later is secondary.
But if he had been put on a 1 year contract the problem would have been resolved in January 2010.
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I have to agree with John M on this. Over his contract Heskey hasn't got worse. Indeed, I'd say he has been better for us in the last year or so than the previous year and half he was with us.
The problem is not his age, the length of his contract or the wages but the fact we signed him in the first place.
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Realistically, when do players sign 1 year contracts?
My general point being that he has aged (comparatively!) well, so had he been worth the money then he would be now and the length of the contract wouldn't be an issue.
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My general point being that he has aged (comparatively!) well, so had he been worth the money then he would be now and the length of the contract wouldn't be an issue.
He's aged well partly because he hasn't really played that much since we signed him. I'm sure Beye is in pretty tip-top condition too considering his age but I wouldn't say he was "worth the money".
Just to add, I don't want to compare Beye and Heskey based on anything but age and stupid contracts. Heskey has always tried his best, even for the most part his best has never been good enough. I still respect him as a professional and wish him a speedy recovery.
Beye can do one.
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I never saw the fee as a problem with Heskey. Taking away opinions of the player for a minute, it was quite moderate for an expereinced PL player and England international. However, we did put him on too much money.
Big problem was giving him a 3 and a alf year deal when he signed at 31, just like giving Habib Beye a 3 year deal at 32! If both had been given deals with a year less, we could've unloaded both and another 100k a week off the wage bill this summer.
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I wish we'd had him on the park today.