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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: ROBA1 on May 19, 2011, 09:54:08 PM
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:) Does anyone have a view on the brolly man? He has good experience, is a good coach to a certain extent. He has won a league title. He may be worth a punt. Perhaps Ged upstairs with McLaren coaching the lads. I think he is waiting for the Villa job hence he has ruled himself out of the Hammers job.
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No thanks. He's done well in Europe and with Boro, but would make us a laughing stock. Fans would never take to him and the club would be engulfed in negativity from the start of his reign.
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Nope, wouldn't have him. Not after what he did to England and eventually Boro.
Though to be fair, when he won the title with FC Twente, he was the only manager in the first tier of a European division to win 1st place with 0 internationals in the side. (Or so my mate tells me)
Personally, I'd rather have Curbishley or hopefully (but not likely) Ancellotti or Jol.
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No to Curbishley no to Jol. Never done fuck all.
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No fucking way!!!
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Though to be fair, when he won the title with FC Twente, he was the only manager in the first tier of a European division to win 1st place with 0 internationals in the side. (Or so my mate tells me)
Feel free to tell your mate he's wrong.
Bryan Ruiz and Theo Janssen are two to get him started.
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Though to be fair, when he won the title with FC Twente, he was the only manager in the first tier of a European division to win 1st place with 0 internationals in the side. (Or so my mate tells me)
Feel free to tell your mate he's wrong.
Bryan Ruiz and Theo Janssen are two to get him started.
He's your classic "hilarious full of shit mate that you're not sure why you're friends with". Kind of like Jay from the Inbetweeners.
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He is a good coach but too weak as a manager for me
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I just vomited reading his name!
NO WAY should this man be allowed anywhere near VP, even if he manages the opposition.
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He's obviously after the Villa job and the thought of him getting it is horrifying, particularly the thought of his first press conference Dutch (or is it German now?) accent and all.
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He'd probably end up sounding like Tommy Hitz.
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No thanks, i'm still hoping we go for Moyes.
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No
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No Thanks.
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooofucknoooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Meh.
I wouldn't be actively unhappy were he to be manager but I would not be dancing in the streets.
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ROBA1 ha ha clever mask. You are in fact McLaren's piss taking agent.
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No thanks Mr McClaren, I think it has to be David Moyes for me
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ROBA1 ha ha clever mask. You are in fact McLaren's piss taking agent.
I actaully thought perhaps a lazy Journo looking for a story.
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If you are a journalist please print this.
Phil says fuck off Steve mclaren, I'd rather dolly come back then have that prick anywhere near B6
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In fairness, he's turned it round since he made a mess of the England job and he's done well in club management overall, but i don't think he's right for us.
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He needs to have one more success abroad before he comes back to England.
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Sweet Jesus no.
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He may be a great coach, manager etc but if things turn sour early I don't think there is enough confidence in him from the supporters, similar to what happened with GH. Also trying to remove the memory of him and that brolley is proving too difficult.
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No ta, he looks like he should be driving a National Express coach.
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I am not sure about him either. But it will be good to have a manager who have coached domestic and european football and foreign football. He is not that bad. But again I wouldn't pick him.
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ROBA1 ha ha clever mask. You are in fact McLaren's piss taking agent.
I actaully thought perhaps a lazy Journo looking for a story.
I can assure you he's a genuine supporter of 40 plus years.
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No ta, he looks like he should be driving a National Express coach.
Spot on, I actually lol'd there!
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A definate no from me, not just the brolly thing but the ridiculous 'Dutch' accent interview is enough for me. How about Chris Hughton?, ok he might not have the experience but he did wonders at Newcastle and would be a breath of fresh air from the 'established' managers .
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I will cry uncontrollably if that shit heel is employed in any capacity by Aston Villa.
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A definate no from me, not just the brolly thing but the ridiculous 'Dutch' accent interview is enough for me. How about Chris Hughton?, ok he might not have the experience but he did wonders at Newcastle and would be a breath of fresh air from the 'established' managers .
If we go down the DOF route then I think Hughton would be ideal.
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He has good teeth these days. Haters.
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No thanks. He's done well in Europe and with Boro, but would make us a laughing stock. Fans would never take to him and the club would be engulfed in negativity from the start of his reign.
Sums it up nicely.
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He has good teeth these days. Haters.
Yeah, but he makes you feel like knocking them out of his silly face.
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Ha ha ha ha ha seriously? F*ck off please. If he manages us how can we watch one of his season ticket holders run up to him and rip it up in his face without it being one of us!!??!!
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Would people please stop mentioning the job of Aston Villa manager with the likes of Steve McClaren and Chris Hughton. Those names are an insult to our club.
Get a grip!
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Steve McLaren, you are shitting me right??
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inside there's probably a very good coach. On the outside, he's a royal cock. As well as he did in Holland, and he did do well, his off the field stuff will be brought up again and again as soon as we hit a sticky patch. Every time it rains, every time he has to do an interview, every time we play Arshenal etc etc.
No ta from the Toronto jury.
And as for the Curbishley suggestion - FFS!
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No
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If you ignore the fact that we're talking about Maclaren his CV is pretty much spot on for what we need.
1. Worked under one of the world's top managers for a number of years
2. Worked at a small club and built a decent youth system whilst keeping the club in the top division for a number of years. Including a european cup final.
3. Unsuccessful spell as an International coach where he managed top players and ego. Mitigating circumstances where the talent of the individuals did not match expectations.
4. Coached (under a director of football) and won a league with another unfashionable club.
5. Coached in another country and generally fucked it up but...
If this was a young foreign coach I am sure we'd be giving him way more credit. Unfortunately the tabloid fed nature of us fans means he would instantly be under pressure at villa and would not be given a chance. It's a shame as he is probably a great coach, but I don't want villa to be the club that take the risk on him.
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He spent loads at boro and they were still mediocre and he failed in Germany and with England. If he were a foreign manager he wouldn't get a sniff. Compare his record with benitez's!
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Just Say No.
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he's about on par with Moyes for me on the excitment scale,
but Mclaren is damaged goods because of the England thing and would find it dificult to win the fans over,
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Well whatever you have to say about the man I'll give him this much: he's managed to get H+V to agree on something... That's a fucking first. Thank you for that Shteve, but jog on.
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No way! We may as well hire Avram and start planning for the Championship. I was thoroughly underwhelmed by links to Hughes and Benetiz, and Moyes to be honest, but if it means we don't get MacLaren, I'd LOVE anyone of them to be our next manager. (Keegan voice:) I WOULD LOVE IT!
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I think he's a decent coach but an average to poor manager. He might work well under a DoF but I think his best role is head coach under a charismatic manager as he was under SAF. I'm afraid Shteve has the charisma of a toilet brush and is seen as too much of a comedy figure to be taken seriously.
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" I come to Birmingham to Manage the Villa lyke, and I look forward to Managing a premiership team now. The team play in claret and blue, I've never managed a team in claret and blue before, so this is a really big challenge, you know wot I mean lyke'
'Up the Villa !'
No thank you is my answer.
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I think he's a decent coach but an average to poor manager.
Suns it up nicely for me.
I don't want to be rude about as after the kicking he got from the media he's bounced back well abroad, but don't think he's the right apointment for us.
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I'm not that opposed to this, he'd have to win over the fans quickly but I think he could do a good job. A European cup final and League title with two unfashionable small teams reads better than anything on Moyes CV. Ok he cocked up the England job but that chalice is more poisoned than Harold Shipmans medicine cabinet. Plus he manages to get the best out of meagre resources just look at how much scalp his very thin hair covers.
I think we can do better, but I'd be willing to give him a chance.
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I'm always confused when people throw a losing cup final in as a highlight on his CV. Basically he won a league cup with Boro in the middle of some mediocre league placings, failed in the England job, got lots of credit for winning the Dutch league with a small club (even though that club had been runners up the year before so he hardly took them from nowhere), then failed in Germany. Throw in the brolley and the Dutch accent and I'm spectacularly underwhelmed by him. No prizes for guessing I'm not his agent.
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I would like to know the Boro fans take on him. I seem to remember at the time he got them to the UEFA cup final, he was well liked and respected by Boro fans. Plus, i take the "failed in the England job" with a pinch of salt, bearing in mind our own experiences with SGT. The brolly and the accent are definite mind farts.
I would be interested to see what he could do in the PL, as i think he may have what it takes, but it would be a big gamble, that if i was Randy i wouldn't take. So a no for me.
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I'm always confused when people throw a losing cup final in as a highlight on his CV. Basically he won a league cup with Boro in the middle of some mediocre league placings, failed in the England job, got lots of credit for winning the Dutch league with a small club (even though that club had been runners up the year before so he hardly took them from nowhere), then failed in Germany. Throw in the brolley and the Dutch accent and I'm spectacularly underwhelmed by him. No prizes for guessing I'm not his agent.
i assume you would be even more opposed to Moyes then, using the same criteria
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Steve McLaren with Boro- 12th,11th,7th,11th,14th
David Moyes with Everton- 7th,17th,4th,11th,6th,5th,5th,8th
Moyes is a better manager for me and would be welcomed a lot more enthuiastically by most of the fans I would imagine.
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Steve McLaren with Boro- 12th,11th,7th,11th,14th
David Moyes with Everton- 7th,17th,4th,11th,6th,5th,5th,8th
Moyes is a better manager for me and would be welcomed a lot more enthuiastically by most of the fans I would imagine.
yeah i know, but he's still won nothing,
a league place is no better than getting to a final and losing, still both losers although from Stevie has won stuff.
i dont want him by the way, i'm just just arguing your argument about a different manager.
i personaly dont think the criterier should be what you have won elsewhere, Houllier was a winner in trophey terms, but didnt gurantee success
i would like Coyle, and aint won a bean yet
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Moyes has done a very good job overall at Everton. He hasn't had vast resources, but when his team are all fit and on song they look a very good side that play some nice football. He can spot a talent as well. A combination of him and (hopefully) a decent amount of money from Randy would be our best chance of Champions League and maybe a cup success. I don't think anyone could take us further than that at the moment. And on a personal level, Moyes looks like someone to be taken seriously, McClaron just looks and acts like an almighty twat, and i just couldn't bear to watch him being interviewed as a Villa manager.
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so lets get Moyes the loser in,
he's been at Everton a big club compared to any club McClaren has managed, yet McClaren is a proven winner but is a joke figure.
give me a winning joke figure over a boring loser anyday
i dont actually think any of this really, just playing devils you know what
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I didn't mean to help turn this into McLaren v Moyes. Of all the people I've heard mentioned I like Moyes, Jol and Allardyce. People like Coyle and Lambert would be a gamble, could be a stroke of genius or could be a disaster. I don't think Benitez is right for us although his record with Valencia and Liverpool is decent. I can honestly say though that Steve McLaren wouldn't be in my top ten choices.
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I didn't mean to help turn this into McLaren v Moyes. Of all the people I've heard mentioned I like Moyes, Jol and Allardyce. People like Coyle and Lambert would be a gamble, could be a stroke of genius or could be a disaster. I don't think Benitez is right for us although his record with Valencia and Liverpool is decent. I can honestly say though that Steve McLaren wouldn't be in my top ten choices.
what i'm saying is that if you like the look of someone you can always build a case for him, and build in the stats to support your case
like you say Moyes would be far more welcome to VP than McClaren, yet McClaren is the winner out of the two, with modest clubs, while Moyes has won nothing whilst at a decent sized club
i dont want either, but if i had to pick out of the two it would be a toss of a coin
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I don't think he's that bad, there are just better options.
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I would like to know the Boro fans take on him. I seem to remember at the time he got them to the UEFA cup final, he was well liked and respected by Boro fans.
On the surface, a LC win and a UEFA Cup final for a team who had won nowt before would be enough to cement hero status. But there were quite a few Boro fans happy when he got the England gig in 2006 - there were even suggestions that he was close to getting pushed a few months earlier.
They watch their team more than we do, so there must have been a reason for their dissatisfaction.
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The fact thatMclaren would be a contreversial and unpopular apppointment would make it a huge mistake. We need someone to Unite the club, that gets the majority on side.
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Oh, unconfined joy. Another speculative new manager thread. No, by the way.
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The press and fans would obviously be a lot more patient with Moyes than Benitez and particularly McLaren. There would certainly be an media agenda waiting to happen with the latter two. Certainly a manager that has been perceived to have failed with England is on a hiding to nothing from day one in that respect. Sir Graham has spoken of the national media suddenly becoming hugely interested in every defeat of a second tier side as soon as he was Wolves manager and the fact the fans were sensitive to having a manager who had been nationally ridiculed.
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The fact thatMclaren would be a contreversial and unpopular apppointment would make it a huge mistake. We need someone to Unite the club, that gets the majority on side.
I agree with this. I want Houllier out for the similar reasons. His problem is not anything specific he has done, his knowledge or tactical awareness but the perception of the majority of fans is that he is a clueless whatsit.
On the other hand, take MON - bear with me - generally a pretty limited tactician, we've been told that he was hardy ever at the training ground, never invested much time in the youth, didn't bother with scouting etc etc, yet for the first three years he united the club and the fans and moved us forward. Was it just his carisma, or was he lucky arriving after Doug and Dolly.
This summer is an opportunity to get a guy in that will unite the club again. He might not have the best CV of all the candidates but he needs to be popular enough to get some feel good factor back in the club.
The only problem is, identifying that man.
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I have just posted on another thread on this. A hugely reliable football insider has just text me that McClaren is "nailed on" for the job. Now he may be wrong, but I don't do wums or mindless speculation, check my post history.
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I would like to know the Boro fans take on him. I seem to remember at the time he got them to the UEFA cup final, he was well liked and respected by Boro fans.
On the surface, a LC win and a UEFA Cup final for a team who had won nowt before would be enough to cement hero status. But there were quite a few Boro fans happy when he got the England gig in 2006 - there were even suggestions that he was close to getting pushed a few months earlier.
They watch their team more than we do, so there must have been a reason for their dissatisfaction.
I know a Boro fan who said to me "you'd think the only manager in our history to win us a trophy would be popular but he isn't" and was pleased when he left. His reasons as far as I can recall was that the team (and by association McLaren) were somewhat stagnant, uninspiring, settling for lower mid-table mediocrity. Now with what's happened to them since they might like to go back to those days but I could see where he was coming from. I might be putting words in his mouth here cos this is what I think but the smarm factor can't have helped. I just don't think he comes across as very likeable. Which shouldn't matter of course but it does help in getting fans onside
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I have just posted on another thread on this. A hugely reliable football insider has just text me that McClaren is "nailed on" for the job. Now he may be wrong, but I don't do wums or mindless speculation, check my post history.
So last August when choices were limited we rejected one of the most successful England managers of all time, whereas now, when we should have more alternatives, we choose one of the least successful? Doesn't add up.
I know that a manager's England record (if he has one) should be the only criteria, but I don't think that McLaren has been a more successful club manager than Eriksson either.
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McLaren - please please no....
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Just put this in the other thread, but I'll put it here too; I reckon Schteve is one of the few English managers who would work with a Director of Football (I don't know if he did at FC Twente), which does make me think this could be a goer. Just a gut feeling though.
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The question must be asked, is McLaren the board's choice because he's willing to work with Houllier (as his DoF)?
He's not as bad as some are making up but I just can't see it working out. Blackburn, West Ham, even Sunderland but I just don't see him up to the Villa job.
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I dont like Mclaren, never have, I think he is a twat. Dont want him anyehere near The Villa, it would be a huge mistake.
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Daily mail saying Houllier to be sacked and Moyes top target
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I dont like Mclaren, never have, I think he is a twat. Dont want him anyehere near The Villa, it would be a huge mistake.
Cool, cool. What's your take on DSK's replacement at the IMF, any twats we ought to look out for? Joe Longthorne?
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I would like to know the Boro fans take on him. I seem to remember at the time he got them to the UEFA cup final, he was well liked and respected by Boro fans.
On the surface, a LC win and a UEFA Cup final for a team who had won nowt before would be enough to cement hero status. But there were quite a few Boro fans happy when he got the England gig in 2006 - there were even suggestions that he was close to getting pushed a few months earlier.
They watch their team more than we do, so there must have been a reason for their dissatisfaction.
I used to work with a Boro fan and Mclaren wasn't that popular with them. Cast your minds back to his last season at Boro - an awful Villa side under DOL won 4-0 at the Riverside and a Boro fan ran accross the pitch and threw his season ticket at Mclaren.
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He strikes me as a being a good coach but not, as is often the case, necessarily a good manager.
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I'm sure the Boro fans had a much better time of it with Strachan and Southgate in charge???Steve Mac has got to be the most or one of the most successful they've ever had.Sheffield Wed, Charlton all had fans unhappy at their mid table Premiership finishes-I bet they'd take one now
Twente had never won the league in their history before he came along. He'd be a risk for me as he's had a hit and miss career, but seems to me he gets quite a rough deal overall.When did Villa manager last win a carling cup and European final appearance?
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I think he gets remembered too much in a bad light. Yes, his England reign was a disaster but he is actually a pretty decent coach.
I actually agreed with the Mirror article about him rebuilding his reputation last week. He could have lived off the money he has received throughout his career quite comfortably, rather he went off to Holland and Germany. How many managers would do that?
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I think he gets remembered too much in a bad light. Yes, his England reign was a disaster but he is actually a pretty decent coach.
I actually agreed with the Mirror article about him rebuilding his reputation last week. He could have lived off the money he has received throughout his career quite comfortably, rather he went off to Holland and Germany. How many managers would do that?
he was a man i could never warm to, he never filled me with any confidence at all.
but i really do admire what he did when he left the England job, to win the league in Holland is no mean feat, and as you say he has done much to rebuild his reputation.
he takes much the same stick as Graham Taylor did after his stint in the hot seat with England,
if you ask any fans other than Villa and Watford, you'l get much the same opionions as we have on here about McC,laren
and we know that they are wrong
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A manager must have the respect of his staff. McLaren may be a first-class coach/manager, but in this country all people will see is the wally with the brolly and that Youtube clip. McLaren should stay abroad, preferably somewhere where the Internet hasn't penetrated. Try Antarctica Steve. Or Small Heath.
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A manager must have the respect of his staff. McLaren may be a first-class coach/manager, but in this country all people will see is the wally with the brolly and that Youtube clip. McLaren should stay abroad, preferably somewhere where the Internet hasn't penetrated. Try Antarctica Steve. Or Small Heath.
Even so, there's no way I'd want McLaren anywhere near The Villa.
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People underestimate McLaren, as can be seen above.
He's one of the most respected quality coaches out there, respected by other managers and by players alike. I used to work in Middlesbrough, during both his and Robsons time in charge and know plenty of Boro fans, who think the bloke was great especially for bringing on kids. He isn't the best at finding quality cheap, and for me he gets bogged down in theory often times.
He's also not a winner and lacks dynamism so choosing him would be an indication of a safe bet by the owners, the sort of guy who will toe the company line, say the right things when needed, take the flack and probably achieve sweet fa.
Not for me.
We need a dynamic driving force with experience of running a team into regular top 5 finishes, he's not that
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A manager must have the respect of his staff. McLaren may be a first-class coach/manager, but in this country all people will see is the wally with the brolly and that Youtube clip. McLaren should stay abroad, preferably somewhere where the Internet hasn't penetrated. Try Antarctica Steve. Or Small Heath.
Even so, there's no way I'd want McLaren anywhere near The Villa.
yeah, we dont want any one thats won cups and the league on there CV,
lets get in Moyes cus he's won didly squat, thats just what we want at VP a big fat loser
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I'm sure the Boro fans had a much better time of it with Strachan and Southgate in charge???Steve Mac has got to be the most or one of the most successful they've ever had.Sheffield Wed, Charlton all had fans unhappy at their mid table Premiership finishes-I bet they'd take one now
Twente had never won the league in their history before he came along. He'd be a risk for me as he's had a hit and miss career, but seems to me he gets quite a rough deal overall.When did Villa manager last win a carling cup and European final appearance?
When did a Villa manager last win a league cup and get to a European final? That would be GH in 2001 wouldn't it? Plus he won the European final and the FA cup into the bargain. Anyway, forget McLaren. Let's start a Holloway for Villa post and watch the entire tinternet melt down in minutes!
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O'Neill did both those things too.
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Sorry. Was someone proclaiming that MON and McLaren won the FA cup? A European tournament? I hope I read that wrong. What the fuck is wrong with Moyes, should it come to pass?
On a different note, the candidates chucking their hat into the ring looks an awful lot stronger this time.
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Winning things is great. No complaints there. But a vital part of any manager's job is to instill belief, and respect is a big part of enabling that. It's tougher to get that respect when most of the country is laughing like a drain about you.
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When did a Villa manager last win a league cup and get to a European final? That would be GH in 2001 wouldn't it
No he was the Liverpool manager in 2001. I meant people are slagging Steve Mac off for his Boro record and if he'd done that at Villa he'd have been the most successful manager since Saunders
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Winning things is great. No complaints there. But a vital part of any manager's job is to instill belief, and respect is a big part of enabling that. It's tougher to get that respect when most of the country is laughing like a drain about you.
He was 3rd - 4th choice for the England job in the first place. When he came in he was already fighting a losing battle. Blame the media hysteria who had it in for him from the first day because everyone else rejected the job.
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Sorry. Was someone proclaiming that MON and McLaren won the FA cup? A European tournament? I hope I read that wrong. What the fuck is wrong with Moyes, should it come to pass?
On a different note, the candidates chucking their hat into the ring looks an awful lot stronger this time.
No someone was saying that McClaren had won a cup and reached the final of a European tournament and asked who was the last Villa manager to have managed those two feats. The answer being that both of the last two full managers had managed it and indeed bettered that.
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No someone was saying that McClaren had won a cup and reached the final of a European tournament and asked who was the last Villa manager to have managed those two feats
See my previous post-I meant while at Villa... answer nobody
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A manager must have the respect of his staff. McLaren may be a first-class coach/manager, but in this country all people will see is the wally with the brolly and that Youtube clip. McLaren should stay abroad, preferably somewhere where the Internet hasn't penetrated. Try Antarctica Steve. Or Small Heath.
Even so, there's no way I'd want McLaren anywhere near The Villa.
yeah, we dont want any one thats won cups and the league on there CV,
lets get in Moyes cus he's won didly squat, thats just what we want at VP a big fat loser
I think you mean A cup and A league. And did I mention Moyes? By your reckoning we may as well go for McLeish.
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I wouldn't be too unhappy with a Houllier/McClaren arrangement, as I think the latter is probably a good coach who would work well under a DoF. But, as others have pointed out, his reputation here is still a little on the........amusing side. If our unruly chaps weren't able to show respect to Houllier, God only knows what they'd get up to with poor Steve!
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He's wouldn't be a complete disaster, it's just that if we are able to attract Benitez or Moyes or even Ancelotti at a stretch, ending up with McClaren would be a letdown.
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I wouldn't be too unhappy with a Houllier/McClaren arrangement, as I think the latter is probably a good coach who would work well under a DoF. But, as others have pointed out, his reputation here is still a little on the........amusing side. If our unruly chaps weren't able to show respect to Houllier, God only knows what they'd get up to with poor Steve!
What about a Houllier/Quieroz partnership. Quieroz and Maclaren are similar in many ways but Quieroz's reputation has not been destroyed by the media.
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However unless I'm much mistaken he has failed at every single managerial job he has ever had.
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He did o.k at Boro I suppose but how many times did they finish in the top 10 under him given he spent a decent amount there? And I thought the team he produced was really dull although that sums up Boro full stop.
Not one I think we'd go after anyway.
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For the sake of all things Holy - no thank you very much !
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However unless I'm much mistaken he has failed at every single managerial job he has ever had.
Dutch title at FC Twente? A failure at Boro, hardly.
File England and Wolfsburg under failure alright. Though Croatia and Russia had better players than England too so his reign there wasnt as bad as the press made out similar to GT.
Id be more inclined to find out what went wrong in Germany.
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I believe Dave was responding to the post above his regarding Quieroz.
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Germany seemed the wrong fit from day one-started badly and went downhill from there-like Roy H at Liverpool
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He's a fucking car crash of a manager, he always strikes me as someone who is saying what he thinks you want to hear rather than the truth.
Please, the thought of Steve McLaren managing us and Robert Green in goal is making me depressed.
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If fact it's a shame the season has ended, because I would be there next game with my "NO TO WEETABIX HEAD" banner hanging proudly of the Holte End.
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Please god no to McClaren and GH at the helm.
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No.
He's failed when presented with a big job. He did okay-ish at Boro but loaded the club up with a squad full of ageing 'names' on huge wages and actually left his successor with a lot of problems.
Not the man for us.
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McClaren as manager would be a PR disaster with the fans, which I think the board will understand and steer well clear of.
If Gezza does go I expect them to go for Moyes as 1st choice and Hughes as 2nd. Don't know if we'll get Moyes, but Hughes will bite Randy's hand off.
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That's how I see it John.
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McClaren as manager would be a PR disaster with the fans, which I think the board will understand and steer well clear of.
If Gezza does go I expect them to go for Moyes as 1st choice and Hughes as 2nd. Don't know if we'll get Moyes, but Hughes will bite Randy's hand off.
i also agree about McClaren, he would be indeed a PR disaster,
but i just dont get this obsesion with Moyes,
he's been at a far bigger club than McClaren and done nothing apart from a few decent finishes in the league, much the same as us over the last 10 years,
yet we would welcome him with open arms,
i dont want McClaren but would take him over the dullard that is Moyes, his record doesnt say much and on the face of it McClaren has been far more successfull with smaller clubs.
i'm also not against going for someone who hasnt won anything as long as they are young and hungry and play good football,
sometimes you gota take a calculated risk,
Moyes is no risk you know exactly what you going to get , more of the same, winning nothing with a few decent league placings, surley we want a bit more hope than that
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If the rumours are right about Ancelotti wanting to stay in England - two years here, won the double, worst season second. Also, he seemed to have the backing of a very strong dressing room that couldn't seem to be managed by Grant or Scholari.
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Ancelloti would be a fantastic statement of intent but I think he'll go back to Italy.
Moyes would do me, he's still finished 5 twice with Everton recently which we haven't done since 1997 and 4th a while back on a considerable lower budget than ourselves or a lot of other clubs.