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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on May 07, 2011, 08:16:03 PM
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I see he got a yellow card today at the end of the match for continually complaining and moaning at the referee. It's probably about time but I'd like to see this sanction more often and some consistency applied with other teams.
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agree 100% - I cheered when he was booked.
And I tell you this, he was lucky to be on the pitch coz he clearly dived in the first half trying to get a penalty = something no one seems to have picked up on.
To me , Ashley Young epitomises everything that is wrong with modern day footballers - get rid, I dont care how bloody skillful he is - he is fast turning into the modern era Steve Hodge !
However, saying that, I did think he played quite well today - however, I then get home to find Capello was in the stand - so thats the reason why !
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agree 100% - I cheered when he was booked.
Oh come on, you're taking the piss.
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The whole team were at it today, pretty much.
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Having seen his West Ham performance, I've been re-converted to everything Young. Sublime that day, but seems to be turning into a scapegoat for unknown reasons - Dunne and Collins have been much, much worse this season.
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Yes I did !!!!
I dont give a toss of he plays for Villa or not - he was an utter disgrace.
I am sick and tired of modern day players, whether it by Young, Rooney, Heskey or Lionel Messi giving foul mouthed rants to officials - whether they play for Villa or not.
My 11 yr old son is in a successful team - champions of their league. I help out with his team - I make sure his team are 100% ceorteous and sporting at all times to both officials, parents and the oppostion.
Sorry mate, if you think Ashley Young being paid 70000 a week and then thinking he has the right to go around shouting and swearing at officials is acceptable, that is your problem not mine !
I applaud the ref for doing it, and whether it be a Villa player, Blues or even a Crawley Town player - the day the ref red cards a player for swearing at him - I will applaud as well !
Football is becoming a disgrace - and Ashley Young epitomises it (as well as Emile Heskey - who should have been sent off as well , and even Kyle Walker for doing a dive that Tom Daly couldn't match !
The Villa were a disgrace today !
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We would have lost the game today if it wasn't for Young but he still gets stick.
Some fans haven't got a feckin clue.
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Mate - he had a good game - Im not having a go at his football ability
Wayne Rooney is one of the best players in the world and is better than probably any (bar one) player we have had in our entire history
It still doesnt give him the right to call the referee a c*** or any other stuff he has got away with
And the same goes for Young.
He is a disgraceful example to kids - and should never ever have been considered captain.
This is the problem with modern day football - "hes a good player so he can do what he wants"
Well the quicker it is stamped out - the better
Oh - and watch MotD and try and defend his Olympic Standard dive trying to get a penalty !!!
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He wasn't the only one throwing himself to the floor in a Villa shirt and it's something I don't like to see but he deserved his booking for petulance. As the second half was about to start my friend took a photo, she showed it to me, it was the ref wagging his finger at Ashley Young.
Another incident annoyed me today, Downing this time appealing for a penalty when the ball hit their player on the arm, from where I was sat it looked like he could have got the ball, but by the time he'd stopped waving his arms around and shouting at the ref, the ball had been cleared.
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i turned off when you said my 11 year old son and champions of their league. Enjoy that !
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agree 100% - I cheered when he was booked.
And I tell you this, he was lucky to be on the pitch coz he clearly dived in the first half trying to get a penalty = something no one seems to have picked up on.
He did not throw himself to the ground on this occasion.
A defender was slyly tugging his shirt from behind and when he let go Ash stumbled forward. One of Newton's Laws of Motion.
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I also saw him tell Petrov to f**k off after he scored, or rather after he reminded everybody what his name is by pointing to his name. Yes Ashley, we only come to see you.
Good free kick, but he's still a twat.
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Well his petulance has probably increased with his frustration levels at having seen the total dereliction of duty shown by the current managerial team and players this season. Because of this we won't have to have to worry about it in a few weeks, he'll be gone.
As a footballer though, he's going to be very, very hard to replace.
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Yes I did !!!!
I dont give a toss of he plays for Villa or not - he was an utter disgrace.
I am sick and tired of modern day players, whether it by Young, Rooney, Heskey or Lionel Messi giving foul mouthed rants to officials - whether they play for Villa or not.
Probably one of the few footballers who actually doesn't complain to the ref.
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agree 100% - I cheered when he was booked.
And I tell you this, he was lucky to be on the pitch coz he clearly dived in the first half trying to get a penalty = something no one seems to have picked up on.
He did not throw himself to the ground on this occasion.
A defender was slyly tugging his shirt from behind and when he let go Ash stumbled forward. One of Newton's Laws of Motion.
Maybe if he had a bungy jump rope tied round his waste but a bit of shirt pulling? I know he's a streak of piss but I'm afraid he's a cheat, dives better than Tom Daley and moans like hell at every opportunity. Saying all that I had to defend him, and me, when awarding him the MOTM against West Ham. Its a sad fact but football changed when the rules changed and you couldn't tackle anyone with any commitment.
From what I remember in the 80's nobody was booked for diving, you went down because Allan Evans hacked you down and you got up off your arse to get it back, not rolled around crying like a fucking baby. I'm going to bed.
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agree 100% - I cheered when he was booked.
And I tell you this, he was lucky to be on the pitch coz he clearly dived in the first half trying to get a penalty = something no one seems to have picked up on.
To me , Ashley Young epitomises everything that is wrong with modern day footballers - get rid, I dont care how bloody skillful he is - he is fast turning into the modern era Steve Hodge !
However, saying that, I did think he played quite well today - however, I then get home to find Capello was in the stand - so thats the reason why !
You need to take a trip to the perspective clinic.
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Lionel Messi not only doesn't seem to abuse refs, his second away at Real Madrid the other week was a perfect example of the benefits of staying on your feet, he could easily have gone down, he didn't he scored and even when he's foulded he gets right back up again.
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agree 100% - I cheered when he was booked.
And I tell you this, he was lucky to be on the pitch coz he clearly dived in the first half trying to get a penalty = something no one seems to have picked up on.
To me , Ashley Young epitomises everything that is wrong with modern day footballers - get rid, I dont care how bloody skillful he is - he is fast turning into the modern era Steve Hodge !
However, saying that, I did think he played quite well today - however, I then get home to find Capello was in the stand - so thats the reason why !
You need to take a trip to the perspective clinic.
Whatever happened to the word filter for Hodge-face?
When AY goes at the end of the season I'll miss him loads, he's a brilliant footballer. Why he's getting so much stick is beyond me. Today he got fouled, got up and banged the resulting freekick into the net. That's what top players do.
His pointing at the shirt antics are weird though, and I saw him mouthing 'fuck off' to Stan on his way over to celebrate, but I imagine this was some sort of dressing room banter.
Perhaps people are just preparing themselves for when he leaves, its easier to let go if everyone thinks he was a wanker.
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Yes I did !!!!
I dont give a toss of he plays for Villa or not - he was an utter disgrace.
I am sick and tired of modern day players, whether it by Young, Rooney, Heskey or Lionel Messi giving foul mouthed rants to officials - whether they play for Villa or not.
My 11 yr old son is in a successful team - champions of their league. I help out with his team - I make sure his team are 100% ceorteous and sporting at all times to both officials, parents and the oppostion.
Sorry mate, if you think Ashley Young being paid 70000 a week and then thinking he has the right to go around shouting and swearing at officials is acceptable, that is your problem not mine !
I applaud the ref for doing it, and whether it be a Villa player, Blues or even a Crawley Town player - the day the ref red cards a player for swearing at him - I will applaud as well !
Football is becoming a disgrace - and Ashley Young epitomises it (as well as Emile Heskey - who should have been sent off as well , and even Kyle Walker for doing a dive that Tom Daly couldn't match !
The Villa were a disgrace today !
I think you should take up knitting or something.
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To me , Ashley Young epitomises everything that is wrong with modern day footballers - get rid, I dont care how bloody skillful he is - he is fast turning into the modern era Steve Hodge !
He really doesn't, Steve Hodge is on a completely different planet, Ashley Young has not came back from an England game and demanded a transfer, this is not a fair comparison at all.
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When he was booked there was quite a number around me in the Lower Holte who cheered. To be honest I am glad he was booked I can't stand players mouthing off at the officials they should be booked that sort of attitude should be stamped out. When I watched him do that today all I thought was you'll fit right in at Man Utd or Liverpool next season.
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agree 100% - I cheered when he was booked.
And I tell you this, he was lucky to be on the pitch coz he clearly dived in the first half trying to get a penalty = something no one seems to have picked up on.
He did not throw himself to the ground on this occasion.
A defender was slyly tugging his shirt from behind and when he let go Ash stumbled forward. One of Newton's Laws of Motion.
Maybe if he had a bungy jump rope tied round his waste but a bit of shirt pulling? I know he's a streak of piss but I'm afraid he's a cheat, dives better than Tom Daley and moans like hell at every opportunity. Saying all that I had to defend him, and me, when awarding him the MOTM against West Ham. Its a sad fact but football changed when the rules changed and you couldn't tackle anyone with any commitment.
From what I remember in the 80's nobody was booked for diving, you went down because Allan Evans hacked you down and you got up off your arse to get it back, not rolled around crying like a fucking baby. I'm going to bed.
The bungy dump rope analogy makes no sense at all in this context and you seem to be crying like a fucking baby yourself.
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The bungy dump rope analogy makes no sense at all in this context and you seem to be crying like a fucking baby yourself.
Don't be daft, no need for that.
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Pack it in, please.
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When AY goes at the end of the season I'll miss him loads, he's a brilliant footballer. Why he's getting so much stick is beyond me. Today he got fouled, got up and banged the resulting freekick into the net. That's what top players do.
His pointing at the shirt antics are weird though, and I saw him mouthing 'fuck off' to Stan on his way over to celebrate, but I imagine this was some sort of dressing room banter.
he wasn't fouled. not even close. he'd almost hit the floor by the time the challenge came in.
his pointing to his name and screaming 'fuck off' was quite hilarious for someone who has managed to get just two direct free kicks on target all season.
done nothing for two years and speaks volumes that the game against west ham was his best since 2008 but like you say, that's what 'top', world class, geniuses can do..
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agree 100% - I cheered when he was booked.
And I tell you this, he was lucky to be on the pitch coz he clearly dived in the first half trying to get a penalty = something no one seems to have picked up on.
To me , Ashley Young epitomises everything that is wrong with modern day footballers - get rid, I dont care how bloody skillful he is - he is fast turning into the modern era Steve Hodge !
However, saying that, I did think he played quite well today - however, I then get home to find Capello was in the stand - so thats the reason why !
here here
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Actually, taking THIS game as the sample. He played well, but not as well as he can. I was impressed with his effort and obvious frustration as he couldn't get into the game, especially second half.
He didn't complain when he went down in the area. Just got on with it.
Capello at VP? Well that explains a lot to me. He wanted to shine and is being used incorrectly so was frustrated.
But in regards to his whinging today ( or any other game) - too much, too constant, and mostly without reason. Shut up Ash FGS.
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agree 100% - I cheered when he was booked.
And I tell you this, he was lucky to be on the pitch coz he clearly dived in the first half trying to get a penalty = something no one seems to have picked up on.
He did not throw himself to the ground on this occasion.
A defender was slyly tugging his shirt from behind and when he let go Ash stumbled forward. One of Newton's Laws of Motion.
Maybe if he had a bungy jump rope tied round his waste but a bit of shirt pulling? I know he's a streak of piss but I'm afraid he's a cheat, dives better than Tom Daley and moans like hell at every opportunity. Saying all that I had to defend him, and me, when awarding him the MOTM against West Ham. Its a sad fact but football changed when the rules changed and you couldn't tackle anyone with any commitment.
From what I remember in the 80's nobody was booked for diving, you went down because Allan Evans hacked you down and you got up off your arse to get it back, not rolled around crying like a fucking baby. I'm going to bed.
The bungy dump rope analogy makes no sense at all in this context and you seem to be crying like a fucking baby yourself.
I'm at ease with my analogy thanks. May I suggest you lay off the Stella.
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agree 100% - I cheered when he was booked.
Oh come on, you're taking the piss.
I have to say, I applauded when he was booked too. The ego and petulance of the player knows no bounds and just sets an incredibly poor example. The thing that really bothers me is that we know how good he can be, but all this attitude and hurling insults and shouting at the referees and lines people simply detracts from his game - it wins him nothing, but the disdain of some of his own fans. Its simply not needed. He's good enough to beat these players with his skill alone, so it does make me angry and slightly sad when the ego and attitude takes over. As said, he will fit in perfectly at somewhere like Manchester United, simply becuase he can't take that billy big bollocks attitude there. He'll have to prove himself and fall back on his skill and ability. And he'll be a better player for that.
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We would have lost the game if it wasn't for Young yesterday but all you read on here is, "he dives, he cheats, he moans at the ref, he's a disgrace".
What a load of bollocks.
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The dive in the first half summed him up this season for me. It was a similar situation to the 5-1 against Blues where he jinked in between two players and scored, this time he decided instead to chuck himself forward headlong like a dolphin through a hoop. The difference between Young '09 and Young '11. He threw himself with such gusto I'm surprised he didn't end up in the back of the net. How people are defending it is beyond me, any crap player can cheat.
There were quite a few applauding the booking in the Trinity Middle too.
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When AY goes at the end of the season I'll miss him loads, he's a brilliant footballer. Why he's getting so much stick is beyond me. Today he got fouled, got up and banged the resulting freekick into the net. That's what top players do.
His pointing at the shirt antics are weird though, and I saw him mouthing 'fuck off' to Stan on his way over to celebrate, but I imagine this was some sort of dressing room banter.
he wasn't fouled. not even close. he'd almost hit the floor by the time the challenge came in.
his pointing to his name and screaming 'fuck off' was quite hilarious for someone who has managed to get just two direct free kicks on target all season.
done nothing for two years and speaks volumes that the game against west ham was his best since 2008 but like you say, that's what 'top', world class, geniuses can do..
You're absolutely right. If he goes in the summer, we'll be a better team without him.
I fear for us next season, I really do.
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Oh he said a naughty swear word! Hang him!
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He can be a great player, but his goal today must have been his first free kick on target for about six months.
I wish he wasn't a petulant twat though, it makes him very hard to like and admire and it wasn't just one or two people on the Holte End that applauded either, try about 50%!
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The thing is is that most players are petulant and they're all cheats, so why are we singling out Young?
It's because he wants to leave.
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I really don't like the bloke, the sooner we can cash in the better.
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Petrov probably said to him your free kicks are shite. That's why he told him to fuck off. Shame he couldn't have done it more often this season. Against the albion especially
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Yes I did !!!!
I dont give a toss of he plays for Villa or not - he was an utter disgrace.
I am sick and tired of modern day players, whether it by Young, Rooney, Heskey or Lionel Messi giving foul mouthed rants to officials - whether they play for Villa or not.
My 11 yr old son is in a successful team - champions of their league. I help out with his team - I make sure his team are 100% ceorteous and sporting at all times to both officials, parents and the oppostion.
Sorry mate, if you think Ashley Young being paid 70000 a week and then thinking he has the right to go around shouting and swearing at officials is acceptable, that is your problem not mine !
I applaud the ref for doing it, and whether it be a Villa player, Blues or even a Crawley Town player - the day the ref red cards a player for swearing at him - I will applaud as well !
Football is becoming a disgrace - and Ashley Young epitomises it (as well as Emile Heskey - who should have been sent off as well , and even Kyle Walker for doing a dive that Tom Daly couldn't match !
The Villa were a disgrace today !
I think you should take up knitting or something.
Yoghurt?
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Every decent team has a player that vehemently insists that the ref pays attention to their appeals. Rooney, Lampard, Fabregas, Gerrard all do it and they do because referees are human and they are influenced.
If you want to campaign to get it kicked out of the game, that's fine but until the game changes I don't see why Villa fans should want to put us at a disadvantage and react that way towards one of our own. Ashley as the most fouled player in the league has more right to complain than anyone.
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agree 100% - I cheered when he was booked.
And I tell you this, he was lucky to be on the pitch coz he clearly dived in the first half trying to get a penalty = something no one seems to have picked up on.
To me , Ashley Young epitomises everything that is wrong with modern day footballers - get rid, I dont care how bloody skillful he is - he is fast turning into the modern era Steve Hodge !
However, saying that, I did think he played quite well today - however, I then get home to find Capello was in the stand - so thats the reason why !
You need to take a trip to the perspective clinic.
Whatever happened to the word filter for Hodge-face?
When AY goes at the end of the season I'll miss him loads, he's a brilliant footballer. Why he's getting so much stick is beyond me. Today he got fouled, got up and banged the resulting freekick into the net. That's what top players do.
His pointing at the shirt antics are weird though, and I saw him mouthing 'fuck off' to Stan on his way over to celebrate, but I imagine this was some sort of dressing room banter.
Perhaps people are just preparing themselves for when he leaves, its easier to let go if everyone thinks he was a wanker.
No top players manage to get their free kicks on target on a regular basis not 1 on target in 15 free kicks. I for one won't miss him when he's gone maybe we can have someone who can hit the target from a free kick more often like a top player.
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Just watched the goal again on Goals on Sunday - as Young celebrates and Petrov is running towards him he shouts "Fuck Off" at someone (don't think it is at Stan).
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We would have lost the game if it wasn't for Young yesterday but all you read on here is, "he dives, he cheats, he moans at the ref, he's a disgrace".
What a load of bollocks.
We might not have done. If Ash wasn't in the side theres the chance that everything the team did wouldn't have had to go through him. I've had plenty of neutrals telling me this season that he's more of a hinderance and that we should cash in.
He's not our only talented player and once he's gone hopefully we'll see more of Downing, Bent, Albrighton, Gabby, Delph, etc showing what they can do.
Oh and although I didn't cheer when he was booked I did think he deserved it. He's going to be really easy to hate when he signs for someone else.
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The amount of cheating and waving arms around at officials should make him extremely popular at Manchester United next season.
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No top players manage to get their free kicks on target on a regular basis not 1 on target in 15 free kicks. I for one won't miss him when he's gone maybe we can have someone who can hit the target from a free kick more often like a top player.
Get someone better than Ash? In our position? Doubtful IMO, the club is very unsettled, I can't see us attracting the kind of player that would adequately replace AY for a good while. We'd need to have a strong season next year and get up around the european places again, which won't be easy after our best player goes in the summer.
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Absolutely. Take our best player out of the team and we'll be better for it!
Fucking hell!
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I am no fan of Young and wont be particularly sad to see him go because of his attitude. It will be less of a loss than Millner, probably no more of a loss than Barry.
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Just watched the goal again on Goals on Sunday - as Young celebrates and Petrov is running towards him he shouts "Fuck Off" at someone (don't think it is at Stan).
It didn't look like it was directed at Petrov to me either. I got the impression that turning his back, pointing to his name and then saying 'fuck off' were all part of one action. Maybe he didn't like the applause at being booked.
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Just watched the goal again on Goals on Sunday - as Young celebrates and Petrov is running towards him he shouts "Fuck Off" at someone (don't think it is at Stan).
It's just a release of frustration after scoring a great free kick.
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I am no fan of Young and wont be particularly sad to see him go because of his attitude. It will be less of a loss than Millner, probably no more of a loss than Barry.
Yep. We won't miss him and his assists. Good riddance.
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Just watched the goal again on Goals on Sunday - as Young celebrates and Petrov is running towards him he shouts "Fuck Off" at someone (don't think it is at Stan).
It's just a release of frustration after scoring a great free kick.
He should be so proud, after all it only took 1001 attempts.
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I am no fan of Young and wont be particularly sad to see him go because of his attitude. It will be less of a loss than Millner, probably no more of a loss than Barry.
Except we had Jimmy to help pick up the slack after Barry left. Who will step in for Ash?
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Sometimes players need to be moved on, no matter what their quality. We've suffered this season from pandering to Young by keeping him on the park. Why we ever play him through the middle I don't know.
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I am no fan of Young and wont be particularly sad to see him go because of his attitude. It will be less of a loss than Millner, probably no more of a loss than Barry.
Except we had Jimmy to help pick up the slack after Barry left. Who will step in for Ash?
N'Zogbia.
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Just watched the goal again on Goals on Sunday - as Young celebrates and Petrov is running towards him he shouts "Fuck Off" at someone (don't think it is at Stan).
It's just a release of frustration after scoring a great free kick.
He should be so proud, after all it only took 1001 attempts.
yes because inbetween scoring those freekicks he's done nothing for the team whatsoever. Those assists that have kept us in the Premier League were just a dream after all.
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Sometimes players need to be moved on, no matter what their quality. We've suffered this season from pandering to Young by keeping him on the park. Why we ever play him through the middle I don't know.
Don't get me wrong, I think he'll be going, I just find it disappointing the amount of pelters he's getting on here. He's a great player, we'll miss him and it makes me sad all day :(
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Just watched the goal again on Goals on Sunday - as Young celebrates and Petrov is running towards him he shouts "Fuck Off" at someone (don't think it is at Stan).
It's just a release of frustration after scoring a great free kick.
He should be so proud, after all it only took 1001 attempts.
yes because inbetween scoring those freekicks he's done nothing for the team whatsoever. Those assists that have kept us in the Premier League were just a dream after all.
"Those assists have kept us in the Premier League"...lol, if his assits had got us in the Champions League id be more than happy to sing his prasies.
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Just watched the goal again on Goals on Sunday - as Young celebrates and Petrov is running towards him he shouts "Fuck Off" at someone (don't think it is at Stan).
It's just a release of frustration after scoring a great free kick.
He should be so proud, after all it only took 1001 attempts.
yes because inbetween scoring those freekicks he's done nothing for the team whatsoever. Those assists that have kept us in the Premier League were just a dream after all.
"Those assists have kept us in the Premier League"...lol, if his assits had got us in the Champions League id be more than happy to sing his prasies.
Hang on, so are you saying it's AY's fault we didn't qualify for the CL? Or are you saying that helping us to avoid relegation doesn't matter? Not getting in the CL was disappointing, getting relegated would have been a total disaster.
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Just watched the goal again on Goals on Sunday - as Young celebrates and Petrov is running towards him he shouts "Fuck Off" at someone (don't think it is at Stan).
It's just a release of frustration after scoring a great free kick.
He should be so proud, after all it only took 1001 attempts.
yes because inbetween scoring those freekicks he's done nothing for the team whatsoever. Those assists that have kept us in the Premier League were just a dream after all.
"Those assists have kept us in the Premier League"...lol, if his assits had got us in the Champions League id be more than happy to sing his prasies.
Hang on, so are you saying it's AY's fault we didn't qualify for the CL? Or are you saying that helping us to avoid relegation doesn't matter? Not getting in the CL was disappointing, getting relegated would have been a total disaster.
His assists/pens/freekicks have helped us aviod relegation , doesnt that say something about his assists/pens/freekicks ?? Like they are very few & far between..?
There must be a stat somewhere out there of all his free kicks , penalties & assists that he has tried/wasted to all those that have come off . I'm no betting man but id be pretty certain its a very small percentage that have actually come off.
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If we're talking about his delivery from dead balls, there was a classic example yesterday when he went to take a corner. The vast majority of our players were way past the back post and no one was nearer Ash than the penalty spot. They've obviously finally realised that Ash won't change from overhitting every corner so they might as well just deal with it!!
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His assists/pens/freekicks have helped us aviod relegation , doesnt that say something about his assists/pens/freekicks ?? Like they are very few & far between..?
Yes. That they've helped us avoid relegation.
If you're only going to cheer our players when we get into the CL, you might be waiting for a long time. Why only focus this on AY though? You could apply this to almost every member of the first team squad. Or do you think its all AY's fault that we're where we are? Most of the team, particularly the defense, has been total shite all season.
There must be a stat somewhere out there of all his free kicks , penalties & assists that he has tried/wasted to all those that have come off . I'm no betting man but id be pretty certain its a very small percentage that have actually come off.
So what? The entire team has underperformed this season, I don't know why you're concentrating on AY. Remember that he worked and scored the equaliser pretty much on his own yesterday.
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Can we change the thread title to The petulance of Villa fans.
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I'm not denying that he's got the potential to be a quality player and we would have missed him this season almost as much as he's missed the target. It doesn't change his attitude though. He might work hard but he's like a 5 year old when things aren't going his way and when they are its all about him, not the team.
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agree 100% - I cheered when he was booked.
And I tell you this, he was lucky to be on the pitch coz he clearly dived in the first half trying to get a penalty = something no one seems to have picked up on.
He did not throw himself to the ground on this occasion.
A defender was slyly tugging his shirt from behind and when he let go Ash stumbled forward. One of Newton's Laws of Motion.
Maybe if he had a bungy jump rope tied round his waste but a bit of shirt pulling? I know he's a streak of piss but I'm afraid he's a cheat, dives better than Tom Daley and moans like hell at every opportunity. Saying all that I had to defend him, and me, when awarding him the MOTM against West Ham. Its a sad fact but football changed when the rules changed and you couldn't tackle anyone with any commitment.
From what I remember in the 80's nobody was booked for diving, you went down because Allan Evans hacked you down and you got up off your arse to get it back, not rolled around crying like a fucking baby. I'm going to bed.
The bungy dump rope analogy makes no sense at all in this context and you seem to be crying like a fucking baby yourself.
I'm at ease with my analogy thanks. May I suggest you lay off the Stella.
I apologise for the abusive nature of my post, Kingthing, and you are quite right that alcohol was involved in no small measure.
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I am sick and tired of modern day players, whether it by Young, Rooney, Heskey or Lionel Messi giving foul mouthed rants to officials - whether they play for Villa or not.
I don't think I've ever seen Messi moan at the ref.
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Ashley needs taking down a peg or two. Going to Man Utd, or any big club, and being surrounded by much better and bigger players than him will do wonders for his game. I don't think he'll lose much of the petulance, because that stuff is only magnified with those teams, but I'm sure his game will mature as he settles down to a job that he's TOLD to do, rather than one he himself demands.
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For those who are happy for Ashley to leave, here is some stats for you (Premier League Only)
(Assists/Goals - Total Villa Goals - % goals Ash responsible for)
2010/11 - 10/7 - 45 - 37.8%
2009/10 - 10/5 - 52 - 28.8%
2008/09 - 9/7 - 54 - 29.6%
2007/08 - 17/8 - 71 - 35.2%
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For those who are happy for Ashley to leave, here is some stats for you (Premier League Only)
(Assists/Goals - Total Villa Goals - % goals Ash responsible for)
2010/11 - 10/7 - 45 - 37.8%
2009/10 - 10/5 - 52 - 28.8%
2008/09 - 9/7 - 54 - 29.6%
2007/08 - 17/8 - 71 - 35.2%
But he swore when he scored yesterday! Bla bla bla!
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I just pointed out that he shouted "fuck off" at someone when he scored and wondered if anyone knew who he was looking at when he did that (it was someone off camera).
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I just pointed out that he shouted "fuck off" at someone when he scored and wondered if anyone knew who he was looking at when he did that (it was someone off camera).
I know. Seems though that many have been offended by it though. Pathetic really.
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I know. Seems though that many have been offended by it though. Pathetic really.
I'm sorry SH but it is not 'pathetic' to expect someone who has a wonderful lifestyle, a job any of us would give our left arm for, and is paid obscene amounts of money to be a role model to kids to behave like a professional and not scream profanities at his colleagues in the full gaze of the watching world.
For large parts of this season he's been the club's captain and that sort of behaviour is nothing like what should be expected of Aston Villa's captain.
There will be kids who've watched that who will want to emulate their hero. I don't want a generation of kids who think shouting 'fuck off' when they do something good at work is acceptable. Rooney apologised when he did it directly into a camera. Although I'm not saying Ash should publicly apologise the principle that he's done something wrong is exactly the same.
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I don't want a generation of kids who think shouting 'fuck off' when they do something good at work is acceptable.
I take it you haven't met many young people recently? Say, in the last thirty years?
This is a load of old nonsense, if you ask me. People bleating because Ashley Young shouted fuck off at another player.
Who really, really gives a fuck beyond giving them another reason to say "well, he was shit, and he was a bad influence" when he moves to a club in a much better position this summer? After a season of being spoon fed a heap of shit week in week out by Aston Villa, I can think of 1000 things more worthy of moans than a player swearing at another one.
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They were all at it yesterday anyway. Looked like Collins was having second-half long arguments with all and sundry. It's not a happy camp.
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Who really, really gives a fuck beyond giving them another reason to say "well, he was shit, and he was a bad influence" when he moves to a club in a much better position this summer? After a season of being spoon fed a heap of shit week in week out by Aston Villa, I can think of 1000 things more worthy of moans than a player swearing at another one.
The FA seemed to 'give a fuck' when they charged Rooney with bringing the game in to disrepute.
I'm not saying the FA are always right (they're generally not!) but most people agreed with that action.
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I know. Seems though that many have been offended by it though. Pathetic really.
I'm sorry SH but it is not 'pathetic' to expect someone who has a wonderful lifestyle, a job any of us would give our left arm for, and is paid obscene amounts of money to be a role model to kids to behave like a professional and not scream profanities at his colleagues in the full gaze of the watching world.
For large parts of this season he's been the club's captain and that sort of behaviour is nothing like what should be expected of Aston Villa's captain.
There will be kids who've watched that who will want to emulate their hero. I don't want a generation of kids who think shouting 'fuck off' when they do something good at work is acceptable. Rooney apologised when he did it directly into a camera. Although I'm not saying Ash should publicly apologise the principle that he's done something wrong is exactly the same.
Get a grip.
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Good player who we will miss though probably not as badly as Milner this. He will benefit from going to a bigger team as he will be around players of his level or better and will be taken down a peg or two. I don't really have much a problem with his diving and petulance as long as it benefits us which is dubious. I do have a big problem with the way the club has pandered to him letting him take every set piece and playing him through the middle.
The brute fact is that the £15-20million we will get for him will be better for us than keeping the player now. Whilst he contributes a lot our team at present is absolutely shocking and the money we will get will improve our team a great deal. I just don't think Randy will be willing to give the money needed to complete our rebuilding job without getting some money from selling a player. Indeed, it is quite unreasonable to expect him to pay the large sums needed to do it. Ideally, he would and Young will stay but I don't believe in fairy tales.
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The brute fact is that the £15-20million we will get for him will be better for us than keeping the player now.
I think that's ambitious. He's only got one year left on his contract - £12m would be the most I reckon we'll get.
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I hope his replacement doesn't use bad language.
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I know. Seems though that many have been offended by it though. Pathetic really.
I'm sorry SH but it is not 'pathetic' to expect someone who has a wonderful lifestyle, a job any of us would give our left arm for, and is paid obscene amounts of money to be a role model to kids to behave like a professional and not scream profanities at his colleagues in the full gaze of the watching world.
For large parts of this season he's been the club's captain and that sort of behaviour is nothing like what should be expected of Aston Villa's captain.
There will be kids who've watched that who will want to emulate their hero. I don't want a generation of kids who think shouting 'fuck off' when they do something good at work is acceptable. Rooney apologised when he did it directly into a camera. Although I'm not saying Ash should publicly apologise the principle that he's done something wrong is exactly the same.
If you gave your left arm to become a footballer, wouldn't that then mean you couldn't become one? (Professional in the Premier League that is).
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If you gave your left arm to become a footballer, wouldn't that then mean you couldn't become one? (Professional in the Premier League that is).
I once played football against someone with only one arm. Absolutely bizarre. Didn't feel like it was fair on him. Thankfully he was rubbish or I'd have got some stick off the lads.
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Ashley needs taking down a peg or two. Going to Man Utd, or any big club, and being surrounded by much better and bigger players than him will do wonders for his game. I don't think he'll lose much of the petulance, because that stuff is only magnified with those teams, but I'm sure his game will mature as he settles down to a job that he's TOLD to do, rather than one he himself demands.
Agreed, Jimbo. He'll also have to put the interests of the team before his own. Great player but he's his own worst enemy.
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agree 100% - I cheered when he was booked.
And I tell you this, he was lucky to be on the pitch coz he clearly dived in the first half trying to get a penalty = something no one seems to have picked up on.
He did not throw himself to the ground on this occasion.
A defender was slyly tugging his shirt from behind and when he let go Ash stumbled forward. One of Newton's Laws of Motion.
Maybe if he had a bungy jump rope tied round his waste but a bit of shirt pulling? I know he's a streak of piss but I'm afraid he's a cheat, dives better than Tom Daley and moans like hell at every opportunity. Saying all that I had to defend him, and me, when awarding him the MOTM against West Ham. Its a sad fact but football changed when the rules changed and you couldn't tackle anyone with any commitment.
From what I remember in the 80's nobody was booked for diving, you went down because Allan Evans hacked you down and you got up off your arse to get it back, not rolled around crying like a fucking baby. I'm going to bed.
The bungy dump rope analogy makes no sense at all in this context and you seem to be crying like a fucking baby yourself.
I'm at ease with my analogy thanks. May I suggest you lay off the Stella.
I apologise for the abusive nature of my post, Kingthing, and you are quite right that alcohol was involved in no small measure.
No Worries.
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I wasn't offended about it, and am not blaming Ash here, but it was another sign of ongoing dressing room unrest if it was aimed at another Villa player as people who get on don't normally speak to each other like that, especially when they should be celebrating together. More of a concern really. It could have been aimed at a Wigan player though, that was my first impression anyway.
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Absolutely. Take our best player out of the team and we'll be better for it!
Fucking hell!
Yes - why not ?
It's happened countless times before and we have survived and arguably become better for it
I cried my eyes out when Gerry Hitchens went to Italy and wasn't chuffed when Platt & Yorkie
went to further their careers elsewhere
No one player is bigger than the club, but I get the impression that young Ashley maybe
thinks he is ?
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Because, whilst we might have got away with it on other occasions, that doesn't mean it's always a good idea, that's why.
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I cheered when he got booked. Not because he isn't a good player, in fact I remarked on his work rate to the chap next to me on Saturday, but because for all of the second half he continually slung insults at the lino.
Every single decision that didn't go our way and he was mouthing off. The tipping point for me being the lino getting pelters for not awarding us a throw in when the ball quite clearly rebounded of his calf and over the touchline.
I like passion, I like that he cares, but I wish he would pick his battles better. Oh well, he won't be here to start these kind of debates next year.
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I like passion, I like that he cares, but I wish he would pick his battles better. Oh well, he won't be here to start these kind of debates next year.
..and there's not many clubs that will let him grab the ball to take free kicks and balloon 90% of them over the bar.
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Can we change the thread title to The petulance of Villa fans.
Or the cantankerousness of Villa fans.
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When he plays for Man Utd/Chelsea/Man City, he'll become one of the most hated players in the Premier League. It's only because he plays for us that he's not a notorius as he should be for constantly behaving like a 5-year old.
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I once played football against someone with only one arm. Absolutely bizarre. Didn't feel like it was fair on him. Thankfully he was rubbish or I'd have got some stick off the lads.
Maybe he'd have been better playing outfield.
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Absolutely. Take our best player out of the team and we'll be better for it!
Fucking hell!
Yes - why not ?
It's happened countless times before and we have survived and arguably become better for it
I cried my eyes out when Gerry Hitchens went to Italy and wasn't chuffed when Platt & Yorkie
went to further their careers elsewhere
No one player is bigger than the club, but I get the impression that young Ashley maybe
thinks he is ?
Agree with this, Getting a bit fed up with all this Ash Young stuff. I struggle with why Young thinks he may be better than others, when all I see is pretty basic average footballer. His free kicks and corners are dismal and surprisingly he has adopted a Billy big Bollocks attitude based on this crappy football. If we can get 12 mill for him and its spent wisely, Young is very replaceable for what he does.