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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Chipsticks on April 22, 2011, 10:55:22 PM
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Twitter is going ape-shit that apparently Pulis has said in a press conference that we have released Carew and that he will therefore be eligible to play against us tomorrow?
Not sure what's going on and apologies if it turns out to be fibs, but here's the AVFC twitter search page: http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23AVFC
from Timothy Abraham: "#AVFC cancelled Carew's contract so he will be in #SCFC squad tomorrow"
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I just can't believe we would cancel his contract a day before they're due to play us, that would be insane.
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I just can't believe we would cancel his contract a day before they're due to play us, that would be insane.
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If true, it is fuckwittery on a monumental scale.
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No fucking chance surely.
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The club may have been waiting for some big distracting news (Houllier's heart) before terminating it, as they know he's a "fans favourite" perhaps?
Not to sound like a raging conspiracy theorist or anything...
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I'm always saddened when a favourite player leaves the villa even when it is clear they are are the end of the road with us.
Thanks for the memories John.
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On loan Aston Villa man John Carew is eligible to feature for the Potters, though he is likely to be named amongst the substitutes with Wembley goal-scoring heroes Kenwyne Jones and Jon Walters expected to continue in attack.
From the Stoke website.
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Big fan of John but with the arrival of Bent its not so bad as I am sure Darren will be the fans favourite we need to replace him.
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WTF?
Why are we allowing him to play against us?
WTF is the board doing?
What a dumbass decision.
Why release him (when his contract runs out at the end of season anyway) the day before Stoke play against us?
If he scores tomorrow there will be consequences.
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WTF?
Why are we allowing him to play against us?
WTF is the board doing?
What a dumbass decision.
Why release him (when his contract runs out at the end of season anyway) the day before Stoke play against us?
If he scores tomorrow there will be consequences.
He was released in January, not today.
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WTF?
Why are we allowing him to play against us?
WTF is the board doing?
What a dumbass decision.
Why release him (when his contract runs out at the end of season anyway) the day before Stoke play against us?
If he scores tomorrow there will be consequences.
He was released in January, not today.
I thought we loaned him out in January and that his contract expires at the end of the season? It would just make no logical sense at all to release him on the eve we play the club he's currently playing for...
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If he scores tomorrow there will be consequences.
What are you going to do exactly?
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WTF?
Why are we allowing him to play against us?
WTF is the board doing?
What a dumbass decision.
Why release him (when his contract runs out at the end of season anyway) the day before Stoke play against us?
If he scores tomorrow there will be consequences.
He was released in January, not today.
Mat Kendrick didn't know about it at the Brimingham Mail yesterday.
"Along with John Carew and Stephen Ireland, who are at Stoke and Newcastle respectively, Villa have six youngsters out on loan.
They are: Barry Bannan and Eric Lichaj (Leeds), Nathan Delfouneso (Burnley), Shane Lowry (Sheffield United), Jonathan Hogg (Portsmouth), Andreas Weimann (Watford). Elliott Parish (Lincoln).
Carew will not return to Villa when his contract expires at the end of the season, while misfit Ireland’s future remains up in the air."
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At least we can give him a clap and sing some songs about him before he inevitably does score one or two
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He knows about it now, according to his Twitter.
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I don't think we would release him now. It is entirely plausible that we did it in January and it only came to light today when questions were asked regarding his eligibility.
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I don't think we would release him now. It is entirely plausible that we did it in January and it only came to light today when questions were asked regarding his eligibility.
Is the right answer.
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If he scores tomorrow there will be consequences.
What are you going to do exactly?
that made me laugh.
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Although bizarrely on the OS it says he is on loan
Clicky (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2271906,00.html)
Aston Villa can confirm that John Carew has agreed to join Stoke on loan to the end of the season.
The 31-year-old Norwegian international has scored 48 goals in 131 appearances since he came to Villa Park from Lyon in January 2007.
A fans' favourite, the club wishes him well for the remainder of the season.
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Looks like i'll be back in the bookies to fill in a anytime scorer coupon then!
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“Villa cancelled his contract and we took it on until the end of the season, so he can play" - Pulis upon being asked about Carew's eligibility,
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The Sun (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3542486/Aston-Villa-cancelled-John-Carew-contract.html)
Fucking ridiculous.
Villa canned Carew contract
By DEAN SCOGGINS
Published: 23 Apr 2011
TONY PULIS has revealed that John Carew CAN play against Aston Villa today - because the Midlands club cancelled his contract.
It had been understood that Stoke had taken the 6ft 4in striker on loan until the end of the season. But boss Pulis said: "Villa cancelled his contract and we took his contract on until the end of the season, so he can play.
"John is fit so he will be involved. He will relish going back, I'm sure."
Carew, 31, fell out with Villa boss Gerard Houllier.
Their fiery relationship went back to their days at Lyon when Carew described the Frenchman as the worst manager he had worked under.
Carew, who has just recovered from a back injury, might have to make do with a place on the bench after the fine displays of Jonathan Walters and Kenwyne Jones in the FA Cup semi-final.
But Pulis added: "Whether Carew is on the bench or he starts, he will play."
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At least this means we're not paying his wages.
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My only question is, if he was released in January, why did'nt the club announce that he had left?
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Sorry what's the big fuss? He hasn't exactly set the world on fire at Stoke and he is not Didier f in Drogba or Darren Bent!
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Sorry what's the big fuss? He hasn't exactly set the world on fire at Stoke and he is not Didier f in Drogba or Darren Bent!
Yeah, why tell us if players have been loaned or sold or whatever.
Who gives a fuck.
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Sorry what's the big fuss? He hasn't exactly set the world on fire at Stoke and he is not Didier f in Drogba or Darren Bent!
Maybe not, but it's a bit strange how the club kept it quiet that he'd been released.
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Lets face it, if he was still here we wouldn't exactly be expecting him to score for us. He's finished, and even taking into account the "goal from an ex-player" rule, i'm still not too worried
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I'm just concerned that the club would (if true) lie to us like this.
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My only question is, if he was released in January, why did'nt the club announce that he had left?
To paraphrase the general; Clampy: Honestly, I am not sure what value would come from discussing Randy's player moves. It certainly is not something that affects the Club.
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John Carew, Carew.
Has the sale gone through, gone through?
Does he belong to us or you?
John Carew, Carew.
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Seems strange. Meh.
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The plot thickens.
www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2011/04/23/aston-villa-fierce-row-erupts-between-stoke-and-villa-after-tony-pulis-threatens-to-play-john-carew-at-villa-park-97319-28570983/
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@MatKendrick Mat Kendrick 12.21am
What a strange old life this is. Sat in Kiddy Harriers car park trying to get to the bottom of a row between #avfc and #scfc over John Carew
@MatKendrick Mat Kendrick 12-25am
#avfc saying one thing, #scfc saying another. Don't shoot the messenger! I don't think he'll play. Villa are adamant he's NOT ALLOWED to.
you can not make it up can you FFS
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Well, it's never boring, is it?
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Well, Pulis says Big John has a great sense of humour, so maybe JC told him that we had cancelled his contract for shits and giggles.
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Hands up anyone who would be surprised if Carew goes down with a mystery ailment overnight?
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pullis probably wants to rest a few players before his cup final. bottom line is if he's on loan then they can't play him, if they took over Carew's contract like Sidwell then they can, as they own his contract.
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stomach bug it is then
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Carew will be on the bench...
in the Rocket Club.
I very much doubt he'll play this afternoon.
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Take three points off Stoke and they're right in the relegation battle. If I were Tony Pullis there's no way I'd risk a player who might be ineligible, no matter how slight the chance is.
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Don't clubs have to register their squad and eligibility of players ( e.g. age, home-grown or 'foreign' etc) with the FA, and keep this info up to date? In which case, even if a fax or a 'loan contract' or whatever has gone astray at either club, the FA would know whether JC was ours (but loaned out) or Stoke's.
Keep expecting to see 'April 1' at the top of this thread.
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Take three points off Stoke and they're right in the relegation battle. If I were Tony Pullis there's no way I'd risk a player who might be ineligible, no matter how slight the chance is.
and if the only thing preventing him from playing was a gentleman's agreement, Tony Pullis would probably be tempted to break it for exactly the same reasons.
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Take three points off Stoke and they're right in the relegation battle. If I were Tony Pullis there's no way I'd risk a player who might be ineligible, no matter how slight the chance is.
and if the only thing preventing him from playing was a gentleman's agreement, Tony Pullis would probably be tempted to break it for exactly the same reasons.
We're not talking that though; Villa say he's not eligible. In that case it's not just the three points at stake, it's another three deducted.
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Take three points off Stoke and they're right in the relegation battle. If I were Tony Pullis there's no way I'd risk a player who might be ineligible, no matter how slight the chance is.
and if the only thing preventing him from playing was a gentleman's agreement, Tony Pullis would probably be tempted to break it for exactly the same reasons.
We're not talking that though; Villa say he's not eligible. In that case it's not just the three points at stake, it's another three deducted.
Both clubs must know for certain whether it was a loan deal or not, that isn't something the can be ambiguous about is it?
Edit: If it is a loan deal, he can't play. That's the PL rule.
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likewise if they bought his contract any "gentlemen agreements" aren't allowed so villa would be very stupid to admit to one, no?
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likewise if they bought his contract any "gentlemen agreements" aren't allowed so villa would be very stupid to admit to one, no?
Why would Villa ever enter into such an agreement?
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they were quite common once. you sold someone a player and they came down with something or weren't selected. but at the end of the day the club have come out and stated he can't play. If Villa did that on a handshake after stoke took over his contract then we're in deep crap and we certainly wouldn't argue with stoke if they chose to break it. Unless idiots are running the club.
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If he doesn't score for Stoke tomorrow, he will in the rocket tomorrow night. It sounds like he won't play but if he does he'll have a storming game I bet.
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I'd be surprised if Stoke took over his contract 100%. Carew is/was on a fair wedge at Villa, I presumed we were subsidising some of it while he was at Stoke and come the end of the season we would release him.
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Hands up anyone who would be surprised if Carew goes down with a mystery ailment overnight?
That is likely if one of the girls at the Rocket has a stage name Mystery Ailment!
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It's a sign as to how far Randy has become part of the furniture that any mix up and there are a whole host of fans immediately ready to expect the worst and blame the board for it.
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Pullis is beginning to get on my pip.
I think its the cap.
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This has to be a pre-match wind up I'm sure.
I am not aware of any example where a loan player has been able to line up against his own club.
Mind you, I was hoping we had stipulated in the loan agreement that Ireland must play against us a couple of weeks back but as it turned out we were able to win anyway.
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If we're winning 4-0 I'd love Carew to come on and score just the one.
It would be a nice way to say goodbye after all the happy memories we have of him.
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I think its a wind up.
Pulis is just playing mind games before the game.
There is NO WAY that either club does not know what the Carew situation is.
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I don't think we would release him now. It is entirely plausible that we did it in January and it only came to light today when questions were asked regarding his eligibility.
Exactly.
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I was surprised when I read it this morning that we have released him let's hope he does not come back and haunts us I would not want that to happen I still think we can win this game with or without Carew playing.
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I'm in the 'meh' camp. He was a real handful up to a couple of years ago but has looked like a lumbering oaf when he's got on the pitch since then. Wish him well but can't say I'm at al bothered about him playing or not.
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He was great when he could be arsed - not often enough.
He's royally took the piss over the last year or so - hero to zero.
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I remember when the deal went through I was listening to talksport and Adrian Durham was having a phone in on John Carew and is he really worth 50k/week? as reportedly Stoker were breaking their wage structure by paying him. I'm sure we were paying him more than that so he must be on loan with us paying him the remainder.
Also it makes no sense to termintae his contract as you have to pay up the remainder, so not only would we not be receiving a loan fee from stoke but also pay John Carew 65k/week or whatever it is for the remaining 6 months of his contract. Dont think so somehow as there was an interested party in Stoke City so why would we pay off his contract worth around £1m - 1.5m when we could just send him to Stoke and make money out of it too? If that is the case then we are one stupid football club.
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He was great when he could be arsed
And that's the problem. If he played today, I would say he'd definitely be 'arsed'.
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He was great when he could be arsed
And that's the problem. If he played today, I would say he'd definitely be 'arsed'.
And that's the story of Carew's career - move to new club, play outstandingly for 2 seasons, get complacent, lumber about, move to new club and play outstandingly again. If he does play he will want to impress Pulis to sign him permanently and so would very definitely 'be arsed'. I think the issue about eligibility will be addresses by a line in that Birmingham Mail article - "The Birmingham Mail is also led to believe that Carew is suffering from a stomach bug and might not be fit enough to be involved, in any event"
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He was great when he could be arsed
And that's the problem. If he played today, I would say he'd definitely be 'arsed'.
And that's the story of Carew's career - move to new club, play outstandingly for 2 seasons, get complacent, lumber about, move to new club and play outstandingly again. If he does play he will want to impress Pulis to sign him permanently and so would very definitely 'be arsed'. I think the issue about eligibility will be addresses by a line in that Birmingham Mail article - "The Birmingham Mail is also led to believe that Carew is suffering from a stomach bug and might not be fit enough to be involved, in any event"
He scored 17 goals for us last season and we lost only one of those games in which he scored. He was 6th or 7th most prolific goalscorer in the PL during his time at Villa.
People can say what they like about him as a player or a person, his record speaks for itself.
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I think he's a busted flush now.
Pulis has said 'He'll be involved if he recovers from his back injury.'
Ever since he joined us he's had back problems and they seem to be getting worse as he get's older.
Keeping him would be like doubling his wages as he'd only ever play 50% of games.
Grateful for some of his goals and performances, but his ability and fitness have deteriorated badly and his commitment to the team was seriously questionable at times..
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I'm in the 'meh' camp. He was a real handful up to a couple of years ago but has looked like a lumbering oaf when he's got on the pitch since then. Wish him well but can't say I'm at al bothered about him playing or not.
Indeed, he'd be no match for our robust, water-tight, super-mean defence.
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Former Aston Villa striker John Carew is hoping that his six-month deal at Stoke is made permanent. Carew's time with the Potters has been hampered by injury and Stoke boss Tony Pulis has yet to decide on his future.
Full story: Daily Mirror
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I'm in the 'meh' camp. He was a real handful up to a couple of years ago but has looked like a lumbering oaf when he's got on the pitch since then. Wish him well but can't say I'm at al bothered about him playing or not.
Indeed, he'd be no match for our robust, water-tight, super-mean defence.
Blunt knife through butter?
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At his peak, we looked a great side and one that was capable of finishing top 4. If he could've just managed a few more games the way he showed he could things could've been so different (not that I'm saying it was all down to him not finishing 4th).
No defender could play him when at his best.
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If Big John had shown regular application he would never have been here in the first place.
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Okay, as far as I understand it he signed a 6-month temporary contract with Stoke, leaving Villa.
People on here don't seem to care because they think he's shit; but that's not the problem at all. The problem is that the club has (potentially, if true) lied to us completely, arguably because they knew he was a fans favourite.
It'll all come out today if he plays.
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Okay, as far as I understand it he signed a 6-month temporary contract with Stoke, leaving Villa.
People on here don't seem to care because they think he's shit; but that's not the problem at all. The problem is that the club has (potentially, if true) lied to us completely, arguably because they knew he was a fans favourite.
It'll all come out today if he plays.
Yes, there would have been an absolute furore if it had been made public that a player who couldn't get in the team had been released and joined Stoke until the end of the season rather than joined Stoke on loan until the end of the season prior to being released.
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The thought of Carew playing today hardly fills me with dread. I'm sure our defence would rather face him than Kenwyne Jones.
I'm just glad that I no longer have to watch him every week.
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Okay, as far as I understand it he signed a 6-month temporary contract with Stoke, leaving Villa.
People on here don't seem to care because they think he's shit; but that's not the problem at all. The problem is that the club has (potentially, if true) lied to us completely, arguably because they knew he was a fans favourite.
It'll all come out today if he plays.
Yes, there would have been an absolute furore if it had been made public that a player who couldn't get in the team had been released and joined Stoke until the end of the season rather than joined Stoke on loan until the end of the season prior to being released.
I know it's not a big deal it's just slightly concerning.
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If Big John had shown regular application he would never have been here in the first place.
Such a cynic...are you trying to say the best players wouldn't come to Villa?!?!?!?!
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Carew won't be playing against us today
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2011/04/23/villa-deny-carew-contract-claim/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2011/04/23/villa-deny-carew-contract-claim/)
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He's not in the squad.
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Has everyone stopped crying now?
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The whining about this is right up there with the best of the Deadly Doug era.
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The whining about this is right up there with the best of the Deadly Doug era.
The white flag waving on here is beyond belief at times
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Looking at the teams on the back page of yesterdays programme.
Aston Villa No. 10 John Carew, Stoke City No. 22 John Carew.
Its a funny old game.
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I wonder how many of the "It's Villa's fault/this is terrible/how dare they/they lied to us" mob will be apologising?
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I wonder how many of the "It's Villa's fault/this is terrible/how dare they/they lied to us" mob will be apologising?
He he he:)
There will be another silly story coming up soon