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Title: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: theleftside on March 28, 2011, 08:04:06 PM
giving an interview about "all things villa" by all accounts
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: TopDeck113 on March 28, 2011, 08:27:51 PM
Apparently, everything's fine.

There are no new draconian rules upsetting the players.

Warnock hasn't played for four months because of form.

The squad are up for the fight.



Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: hawkeye on March 28, 2011, 08:29:32 PM
Just listened to that,
Thought GMac did a good job of fronting up, did we find out anything new ? No
I doubt that he could have said anything that would have made us feel any better.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Rawly on March 28, 2011, 08:30:53 PM
Do we believe him ?????????
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: rob_bridge on March 28, 2011, 08:38:26 PM
I'm sorry - what a load of drivell. Houllier and Downing didn't seem to think too much was wrong after the Wolves game but at least McAllister says the players now get they are in a relegation fight. Really I thought we were in one since the Sunderland game. He doesn't get it - think he is a complete Yes man to Houllier.

21 points from winning positions and I can never recall as season of such ill discipline. Warnock not playing because of form - ha ha. That is the worst excuse ever. He hasn't played so how do you know he is still of form. Baker a better option at left back at the moment? He is also better than Young or Lichaj?

We are going to get tonked on Saturday unless Everton don't bother turning up.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Rawly on March 28, 2011, 08:42:02 PM
Cos he's been playing for the reserves tat
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Cuz on March 28, 2011, 08:45:29 PM
Lip service,from what i've seen he has shown no interest passion or anything other than a whisper in Houliers ear, not a Villa man not a good number 2 a failed coach/manager in every club he has been involved in, give me a Taylor Townsend or Morley all day long on that bench at least they would show some passion
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Chris Smith on March 28, 2011, 08:46:01 PM
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I doubt that he could have said anything that would have made us feel any better.

Quite, you can't persuade closed minds.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Rawly on March 28, 2011, 08:49:03 PM
Get Ian Taylor on the staff now!!!!!!!! Some villa passion is needed. Quickly
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 28, 2011, 08:50:58 PM
Lip service,from what i've seen he has shown no interest passion or anything other than a whisper in Houliers ear, not a Villa man not a good number 2 a failed coach/manager in every club he has been involved in, give me a Taylor Townsend or Morley all day long on that bench at least they would show some passion

I don't seem to remember Brian Little jumping up and down, screaming and shouting much when he was Villa manager. Would you question his passion for the Villa?

As for a failed manager at every club he has been involved in, well this is the case with a lot of assistant managers. Peter Taylor of Clough/Taylor fame and Carlos Queiroz to name just two.

He may well be a poor assistant manager, but to suggest that someone should get the job instead just because they played for Villa is ridiculous to my mind, as is suggesting that you can only show passion for a job or club if you were a player there.

Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: luke25 on March 28, 2011, 08:51:58 PM
Get Ian Taylor on the staff now!!!!!!!! Some villa passion is needed. Quickly
I've been saying this too but because I let sentimentality get the better of me, he's never coached at any level so would be a bad idea
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Rawly on March 28, 2011, 08:53:29 PM
He dosnt have to coach,,,,,just stand on touchline and get the passion going .
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Cuz on March 28, 2011, 08:54:50 PM
well if he'd have said i'm going to persuade GH to play Ash on Right Wing, Downing on Left Gabby down the middle, i'm going to be a bit more vocal and look like i give a shit, and we will never go into a game thinking we will lose and rest our better players so i watch our reserves,
That may have been a start to open my mind
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I doubt that he could have said anything that would have made us feel any better.

Quite, you can't persuade closed minds.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 28, 2011, 08:57:41 PM
Yes, then you could have had a pop at Houllier for not knowing his own mind and letting his assistant dictate to him.

well if he'd have said i'm going to persuade GH to play Ash on Right Wing, Downing on Left Gabby down the middle, i'm going to be a bit more vocal and look like i give a shit, and we will never go into a game thinking we will lose and rest our better players so i watch our reserves,
That may have been a start to open my mind
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I doubt that he could have said anything that would have made us feel any better.

Quite, you can't persuade closed minds.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Chris Smith on March 28, 2011, 08:58:23 PM
well if he'd have said i'm going to persuade GH to play Ash on Right Wing, Downing on Left Gabby down the middle, i'm going to be a bit more vocal and look like i give a shit, and we will never go into a game thinking we will lose and rest our better players so i watch our reserves,
That may have been a start to open my mind
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I doubt that he could have said anything that would have made us feel any better.

Quite, you can't persuade closed minds.

I doubt it because you clearly think you know best.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on March 28, 2011, 09:00:34 PM
Some terrible quoting again!

I didn't hear it but I bet it was the usual stuff that's usually said. I just want us to get some results or at least just show a bit of fight.

Laursen & now Taylor? Let's get Dalian Atkinson in to show Bent how to score  ;)
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: LeeB on March 28, 2011, 09:01:23 PM
He dosnt have to coach,,,,,just stand on touchline and get the passion going .

And maybe advise our best players to join other clubs.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Cuz on March 28, 2011, 09:01:58 PM
Lets just talk about G Mac shall we, i personally think Brian Little earned his stripes and i can remember him at least directing players and geeing them up from the touchline, I am talking about the here and now not suggesting we should just employ ex players   
Lip service,from what i've seen he has shown no interest passion or anything other than a whisper in Houliers ear, not a Villa man not a good number 2 a failed coach/manager in every club he has been involved in, give me a Taylor Townsend or Morley all day long on that bench at least they would show some passion

I don't seem to remember Brian Little jumping up and down, screaming and shouting much when he was Villa manager. Would you question his passion for the Villa?

As for a failed manager at every club he has been involved in, well this is the case with a lot of assistant managers. Peter Taylor of Clough/Taylor fame and Carlos Queiroz to name just two.

He may well be a poor assistant manager, but to suggest that someone should get the job instead just because they played for Villa is ridiculous to my mind, as is suggesting that you can only show passion for a job or club if you were a player there.


Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 28, 2011, 09:04:55 PM
Some terrible quoting again!

I didn't hear it but I bet it was the usual stuff that's usually said. I just want us to get some results or at least just show a bit of fight.

Laursen & now Taylor? Let's get Dalian Atkinson in to show Bent how to score  ;)

I like your thinking. We could have a series of masterclasses from former Villa players and managers.
Sasa Curcic - Creative (a.k.a. slightly bonkers) thinking
Lee Hendrie - Tanning techniques for the 21st century footballer
Stephen Ireland/David O'Leary - How to make friends and influence people
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 28, 2011, 09:06:47 PM
Lets just talk about G Mac shall we, i personally think Brian Little earned his stripes and i can remember him at least directing players and geeing them up from the touchline, I am talking about the here and now not suggesting we should just employ ex players   
Lip service,from what i've seen he has shown no interest passion or anything other than a whisper in Houliers ear, not a Villa man not a good number 2 a failed coach/manager in every club he has been involved in, give me a Taylor Townsend or Morley all day long on that bench at least they would show some passion

I don't seem to remember Brian Little jumping up and down, screaming and shouting much when he was Villa manager. Would you question his passion for the Villa?

As for a failed manager at every club he has been involved in, well this is the case with a lot of assistant managers. Peter Taylor of Clough/Taylor fame and Carlos Queiroz to name just two.

He may well be a poor assistant manager, but to suggest that someone should get the job instead just because they played for Villa is ridiculous to my mind, as is suggesting that you can only show passion for a job or club if you were a player there.


I see. So suggesting that we employ Ian Taylor, Tony Morley or Andy Townsend is not suggesting that we should just employ ex-players without any top-level coaching experience. Actually, I don't see. Do you want to explain that one to me?
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: LeeB on March 28, 2011, 09:08:23 PM
Lets just talk about G Mac shall we, i personally think Brian Little earned his stripes and i can remember him at least directing players and geeing them up from the touchline, I am talking about the here and now not suggesting we should just employ ex players   
Lip service,from what i've seen he has shown no interest passion or anything other than a whisper in Houliers ear, not a Villa man not a good number 2 a failed coach/manager in every club he has been involved in, give me a Taylor Townsend or Morley all day long on that bench at least they would show some passion

I don't seem to remember Brian Little jumping up and down, screaming and shouting much when he was Villa manager. Would you question his passion for the Villa?

As for a failed manager at every club he has been involved in, well this is the case with a lot of assistant managers. Peter Taylor of Clough/Taylor fame and Carlos Queiroz to name just two.

He may well be a poor assistant manager, but to suggest that someone should get the job instead just because they played for Villa is ridiculous to my mind, as is suggesting that you can only show passion for a job or club if you were a player there.



Can we please at least keep the criticism of the management to something relevant like tactics, team selection or purchases instead of this bullshit that he "doesn't jump up and down enough".

Some managers do, some don't, and none of it matters a toss anyway.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Cuz on March 28, 2011, 09:08:38 PM
With respect Chris just my opinion and if you truly believe in the current managerment that your opinion, no need to be so condesending
well if he'd have said i'm going to persuade GH to play Ash on Right Wing, Downing on Left Gabby down the middle, i'm going to be a bit more vocal and look like i give a shit, and we will never go into a game thinking we will lose and rest our better players so i watch our reserves,
That may have been a start to open my mind
Quote
I doubt that he could have said anything that would have made us feel any better.

Quite, you can't persuade closed minds.

I doubt it because you clearly think you know best.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: theleftside on March 28, 2011, 09:09:28 PM
GH had phil thompson at liverpool and lets face it for all his faults he would die for that club.  maybe it;s time to get a fully signed up villian by his side.
but then again why do it????? GH is  a dead man walking - lost the holte and lost the players....whole new team (on all fronts) in the summer.

real shame though GH could have been good for us.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Nev on March 28, 2011, 09:11:34 PM
Fair fucks to him for fronting up but most of the interview contained platitudes, the sort of which you would expect from anyone in that role when the club is in trouble.

My only gripe was his answer to the "mutiny" issue where he claimed (rightly) that to expect 30 odd blokes to get on was rather fanciful. It's not relations between players that are the concern but those between players and staff, something he didn't really address.

As for the issue of having ex-players on the staff, it never guarantees success. Peter Withe sat next to Venglos with his arms folded for almost the whole 90 minutes during a 5-0 walloping at Elland Road I seem to recall.

I get the feeling that we are approaching the end of this particular chapter of our history, regardless of the outcome of the season.

We have a good squad and a good manager with an excellent set-up and support from the chairman, but it's just not working and I don't think it ever will.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Cuz on March 28, 2011, 09:14:02 PM
Like i quoted the i'm speaking about now the current situation, so what would be so wrong with a Townsend or Taylor as a coach ?? GMac my have his badges but he isn't successful
Lets just talk about G Mac shall we, i personally think Brian Little earned his stripes and i can remember him at least directing players and geeing them up from the touchline, I am talking about the here and now not suggesting we should just employ ex players   
Lip service,from what i've seen he has shown no interest passion or anything other than a whisper in Houliers ear, not a Villa man not a good number 2 a failed coach/manager in every club he has been involved in, give me a Taylor Townsend or Morley all day long on that bench at least they would show some passion

I don't seem to remember Brian Little jumping up and down, screaming and shouting much when he was Villa manager. Would you question his passion for the Villa?

As for a failed manager at every club he has been involved in, well this is the case with a lot of assistant managers. Peter Taylor of Clough/Taylor fame and Carlos Queiroz to name just two.

He may well be a poor assistant manager, but to suggest that someone should get the job instead just because they played for Villa is ridiculous to my mind, as is suggesting that you can only show passion for a job or club if you were a player there.


I see. So suggesting that we employ Ian Taylor, Tony Morley or Andy Townsend is not suggesting that we should just employ ex-players without any top-level coaching experience. Actually, I don't see. Do you want to explain that one to me?
Lets just talk about G Mac shall we, i personally think Brian Little earned his stripes and i can remember him at least directing players and geeing them up from the touchline, I am talking about the here and now not suggesting we should just employ ex players   
Lip service,from what i've seen he has shown no interest passion or anything other than a whisper in Houliers ear, not a Villa man not a good number 2 a failed coach/manager in every club he has been involved in, give me a Taylor Townsend or Morley all day long on that bench at least they would show some passion

I don't seem to remember Brian Little jumping up and down, screaming and shouting much when he was Villa manager. Would you question his passion for the Villa?

As for a failed manager at every club he has been involved in, well this is the case with a lot of assistant managers. Peter Taylor of Clough/Taylor fame and Carlos Queiroz to name just two.

He may well be a poor assistant manager, but to suggest that someone should get the job instead just because they played for Villa is ridiculous to my mind, as is suggesting that you can only show passion for a job or club if you were a player there.


I see. So suggesting that we employ Ian Taylor, Tony Morley or Andy Townsend is not suggesting that we should just employ ex-players without any top-level coaching experience. Actually, I don't see. Do you want to explain that one to me?
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Rawly on March 28, 2011, 09:17:10 PM
Nev,,,,your a twat ,,withe was a scouse !!!!!
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: olaftab on March 28, 2011, 09:17:20 PM
Time for interviews  and giving radio 4 type answers is gone. Houllier, McAllister and the overpaid footballers we have need to show some fight on the pitch and get us out of the mess we are in.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 28, 2011, 09:18:02 PM
Like i quoted the i'm speaking about now the current situation, so what would be so wrong with a Townsend or Taylor as a coach ?? GMac my have his badges but he isn't successful

Because they've never done any top-level coaching at Premier League level? Because neither have shown the slightest wish to be coaches or managers? Because to sack the assistant manager with a few games left would further erode Houllier's authority and make sod all difference?
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Bad English on March 28, 2011, 09:20:42 PM
Nev,,,,your a twat ,,withe was a scouse !!!!!
I'd never seen a post in Javascript before
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: LeeB on March 28, 2011, 09:22:16 PM
Nev,,,,your a twat ,,withe was a scouse !!!!!
I'd never seen a post in Javascript before

I thought it was a csv file.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: SO Villa on March 28, 2011, 09:23:29 PM
Nev,,,,your a twat ,,withe was a scouse !!!!!

Brilliant. Are you wearing tracksuit bottoms by any chance?
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Rawly on March 28, 2011, 09:25:41 PM
White fuckers
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Dave on March 28, 2011, 09:25:50 PM
Nev,,,,your a twat ,,withe was a scouse !!!!!
And you're going to cut out the insults right now or find somewhere else to post.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: LeeB on March 28, 2011, 09:26:33 PM
White fuckers

Squeeze me?
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Cuz on March 28, 2011, 09:26:57 PM
not that i want to harp on but 'Top Level coaching' GM Cov, Boro, Leeds, and how do you know they wouldn't if asked, perhaps it might be a breath of fresh air and maybe if all accounts are true it might get a bit of bonce and banter back in the changing room as Taylor and Townsend are big personalities.......but I could be wrong and GMac is the way forward
Like i quoted the i'm speaking about now the current situation, so what would be so wrong with a Townsend or Taylor as a coach ?? GMac my have his badges but he isn't successful

Because they've never done any top-level coaching at Premier League level? Because neither have shown the slightest wish to be coaches or managers? Because to sack the assistant manager with a few games left would further erode Houllier's authority and make sod all difference?
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Rawly on March 28, 2011, 09:29:03 PM
I won't insult no more.    ,,,, just want some passion for the villa!!  Who's going to everton ?
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: The Man With A Stick on March 28, 2011, 09:30:06 PM
Oh god, not the old "lets get a Villa man in, we need PASSION!!!!!!11111111" argument.  Is it half term or something?
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 28, 2011, 09:31:32 PM
not that i want to harp on but 'Top Level coaching' GM Cov, Boro, Leeds, and how do you know they wouldn't if asked, perhaps it might be a breath of fresh air and maybe if all accounts are true it might get a bit of bonce and banter back in the changing room as Taylor and Townsend are big personalities.......but I could be wrong and GMac is the way forward
Like i quoted the i'm speaking about now the current situation, so what would be so wrong with a Townsend or Taylor as a coach ?? GMac my have his badges but he isn't successful

Because they've never done any top-level coaching at Premier League level? Because neither have shown the slightest wish to be coaches or managers? Because to sack the assistant manager with a few games left would further erode Houllier's authority and make sod all difference?

OK, let me clarify - by 'Top Level Coaching' I actually meant any coaching whatsoever involving professional footballers. 

And frankly if it's a bit of bonce you want in the dressing room, I see nothing wrong with Gary Mac's bonce.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Cuz on March 28, 2011, 09:32:12 PM
I'm New and enjoying it
Oh god, not the old "lets get a Villa man in, we need PASSION!!!!!!11111111" argument.  Is it half term or something?
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Cuz on March 28, 2011, 09:33:46 PM
Haha yeah he has a nice bonce to be fair
not that i want to harp on but 'Top Level coaching' GM Cov, Boro, Leeds, and how do you know they wouldn't if asked, perhaps it might be a breath of fresh air and maybe if all accounts are true it might get a bit of bonce and banter back in the changing room as Taylor and Townsend are big personalities.......but I could be wrong and GMac is the way forward
Like i quoted the i'm speaking about now the current situation, so what would be so wrong with a Townsend or Taylor as a coach ?? GMac my have his badges but he isn't successful

Because they've never done any top-level coaching at Premier League level? Because neither have shown the slightest wish to be coaches or managers? Because to sack the assistant manager with a few games left would further erode Houllier's authority and make sod all difference?

OK, let me clarify - by 'Top Level Coaching' I actually meant any coaching whatsoever involving professional footballers. 

And frankly if it's a bit of bonce you want in the dressing room, I see nothing wrong with Gary Mac's bonce.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: LeeB on March 28, 2011, 09:34:41 PM
not that i want to harp on but 'Top Level coaching' GM Cov, Boro, Leeds, and how do you know they wouldn't if asked, perhaps it might be a breath of fresh air and maybe if all accounts are true it might get a bit of bonce and banter back in the changing room as Taylor and Townsend are big personalities.......but I could be wrong and GMac is the way forward

On evidence put forward so far, you probably are.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: The Man With A Stick on March 28, 2011, 09:39:21 PM
If the only experience most of our lot have of Townsend is his inane, incoherent ramblings on ITV, they'll have even less respect for Houllier than after that time he told James Collins to run up a hill with Richard Dunne's lunch strapped to his back.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Cuz on March 28, 2011, 09:49:03 PM
Don't read too much into it, it was just my thoughts as a number two, i like the bloke, and have you seen the size of Collins' legs now pure powerlifters calfs
If the only experience most of our lot have of Townsend is his inane, incoherent ramblings on ITV, they'll have even less respect for Houllier than after that time he told James Collins to run up a hill with Richard Dunne's lunch strapped to his back.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: LeeB on March 28, 2011, 09:53:11 PM
Don't read too much into it, it was just my thoughts as a number two, i like the bloke, and have you seen the size of Collins' legs now pure powerlifters calfs.

Put that down to a homoerotic fascination most men from South Wales seem to have with bodybuilding.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Steve R on March 28, 2011, 09:56:03 PM
Since when did any manager/assistant/coach worth their salt say anything of substance in an interview? It's part of their job description to talk content-free bollocks. Woe betide them if they don't.

The only Villa person I've seen talk his mind in recent times is General Krulak - and look at where that gets him. Comments are picked over and distorted to the point where they become counter productive, no matter how valid they are.

What was McAllister supposed to say about Warnock? 'He couldn't give a monkeys to the point where he takes the piss'? 'We can't trust him'?
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 28, 2011, 09:58:13 PM
Since when did any manager/assistant/coach worth their salt say anything of substance in an interview? It's part of their job description to talk content-free bollocks. Woe betide them if they don't.

In that case maybe Cuz was right after all. Let's face it, Andy Townsend might have no experience of coaching footballers, but talking content-free bollocks... he's been doing that for a few years now.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: WikiVilla on March 28, 2011, 09:58:47 PM
We have very good players, combined with a great youth/reserve set up, a brilliant chairman, the best fans in the world TM, so why isnt it working ?
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: hawkeye on March 28, 2011, 09:59:24 PM
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I doubt that he could have said anything that would have made us feel any better.

Quite, you can't persuade closed minds.
I think that is a bit unfair Chris. I doubt if any Number 2 has much chance of inspiring the folks.
Perhaps what is missing is some indication of leadership. I listened to Gmac with interest, The best thing he said was the love for the Club will come through, i really hope it does and soon.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Steve67 on March 28, 2011, 10:03:23 PM
Enough inane babble.  What else did hey ask Gary  Mack?  Anything of interest?  Did they ask him about the mess we're in?
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: peter w on March 28, 2011, 10:04:08 PM
fair enough I can accept that he has to say something in inetrviews and you have to take what he says. But the reason for dropping players at man City necause we decided pace was the answer? Does he think we're stupid? So, we're more likely to beat Man City with Delfouneso and Bannan than Ashley Young and Downing. Should have just given the usual 'we thought we needed to rest players' rather than spout shite.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: hawkeye on March 28, 2011, 10:05:08 PM
We have very good players, combined with a great youth/reserve set up, a brilliant chairman, the best fans in the world TM, so why isnt it working ?
It looks like, because The Manager has managed to alienate too many of the the people that really matter, the players and the supporters.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: LeeB on March 28, 2011, 10:06:11 PM
Enough inane babble.  What else did hey ask Gary  Mack?  Anything of interest?  Did they ask him about the mess we're in?

You say "enough inane babble", and then follow with a sentence which only makes sense if you read whilst doing an impression of Iddi Amin.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Chris Smith on March 28, 2011, 10:07:04 PM
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I doubt that he could have said anything that would have made us feel any better.

Quite, you can't persuade closed minds.
I think that is a bit unfair Chris. I doubt if any Number 2 has much chance of inspiring the folks.
Perhaps what is missing is some indication of leadership. I listened to Gmac with interest, The best thing he said was the love for the Club will come through, i really hope it does and soon.

My point is that a lot of people have already made up their minds so anything he say as will be dismissed without a second thought. Clearly you've given him a fair hearing but responses on the thread show that others aren't willing to do that.

From my own point of view I am honestly unsure. On the one hand results have been shocking but on the other I think their long term vision might be the right one. So at the moment am open minded and when I say wait until the summer before making a decision that is exactly what I mean, not wait to the summer then sack him anyway.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Steve R on March 28, 2011, 10:10:51 PM
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In that case maybe Cuz was right after all. Let's face it, Andy Townsend might have no experience of coaching footballers, but talking content-free bollocks... he's been doing that for a few years now.

There is a big difference between 'content free bollocks' and 'mind numbing bollocks'.

Trust me, I'm an expert.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: hawkeye on March 28, 2011, 10:11:40 PM
fair enough I can accept that he has to say something in inetrviews and you have to take what he says. But the reason for dropping players at man City necause we decided pace was the answer? Does he think we're stupid? So, we're more likely to beat Man City with Delfouneso and Bannan than Ashley Young and Downing. Should have just given the usual 'we thought we needed to rest players' rather than spout shite.
And there is the real problem, the supporters dont buy that and I guess the players didnt buy that either. It was a huge FCUK up, it undermined moral, it destroyed any momentum after the BBurn game. When you make a monumental mistake the best thing is to say, we fucked up, we wont do it again we really need your support.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: WikiVilla on March 28, 2011, 10:12:29 PM
Guys, I think 99% of Villa fans want Houllier to be a success, with wins under his belt he's a likeable bloke.
I really hope the players respond now, and I ve a feeling they will
We've now crossed that watershed and are now looking up IMO
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: LeeB on March 28, 2011, 10:20:07 PM
fair enough I can accept that he has to say something in inetrviews and you have to take what he says. But the reason for dropping players at man City necause we decided pace was the answer? Does he think we're stupid? So, we're more likely to beat Man City with Delfouneso and Bannan than Ashley Young and Downing. Should have just given the usual 'we thought we needed to rest players' rather than spout shite.
And there is the real problem, the supporters dont buy that and I guess the players didnt buy that either. It was a huge FCUK up, it undermined moral, it destroyed any momentum after the BBurn game. When you make a monumental mistake the best thing is to say, we fucked up, we wont do it again we really need your support.

I'd go along with that to a degree, but if as a manager you come out publicly and say you fucked up then you may as well ring a taxi first.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: olaftab on March 28, 2011, 10:20:26 PM
Nev,,,,your a twat ,,withe was a scouse !!!!!
I'd never seen a post in Javascript before
I think he should post only using 0's and 1's. We will understand more. Some thing like "00001111000011110000110111111100000000010110"
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: hawkeye on March 28, 2011, 10:22:10 PM
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I doubt that he could have said anything that would have made us feel any better.

Quite, you can't persuade closed minds.
I think that is a bit unfair Chris. I doubt if any Number 2 has much chance of inspiring the folks.
Perhaps what is missing is some indication of leadership. I listened to Gmac with interest, The best thing he said was the love for the Club will come through, i really hope it does and soon.

My point is that a lot of people have already made up their minds so anything he say as will be dismissed without a second thought. Clearly you've given him a fair hearing but responses on the thread show that others aren't willing to do that.

From my own point of view I am honestly unsure. On the one hand results have been shocking but on the other I think their long term vision might be the right one. So at the moment am open minded and when I say wait until the summer before making a decision that is exactly what I mean, not wait to the summer then sack him anyway.
I understand, I dont agree with some that try and put the blame on the number 2, from what i see of GMac he is a very comited and profesional chap. Its difficult for me to feel any confidence in Houlier because of the littany of gaffs that he has made from the very start of his tenure. I want the season over with us still in the Premier League, thats all.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Cuz on March 28, 2011, 10:22:51 PM
likeable yes, like a bumbling old Great Uncle, i don't dislike him i just think he's damaging something dear to me with some terrible blunders
Guys, I think 99% of Villa fans want Houllier to be a success, with wins under his belt he's a likeable bloke.
I really hope the players respond now, and I ve a feeling they will
We've now crossed that watershed and are now looking up IMO
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Cuz on March 28, 2011, 10:27:02 PM
but if had said i've fucked up i would have more respect for him, going into that game with a defeatest attitude finished him for me, I was really looking forward to that game and thought we had a chance with our top 11 playing 
fair enough I can accept that he has to say something in inetrviews and you have to take what he says. But the reason for dropping players at man City necause we decided pace was the answer? Does he think we're stupid? So, we're more likely to beat Man City with Delfouneso and Bannan than Ashley Young and Downing. Should have just given the usual 'we thought we needed to rest players' rather than spout shite.
And there is the real problem, the supporters dont buy that and I guess the players didnt buy that either. It was a huge FCUK up, it undermined moral, it destroyed any momentum after the BBurn game. When you make a monumental mistake the best thing is to say, we fucked up, we wont do it again we really need your support.

I'd go along with that to a degree, but if as a manager you come out publicly and say you fucked up then you may as well ring a taxi first.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: hawkeye on March 28, 2011, 10:27:10 PM
fair enough I can accept that he has to say something in inetrviews and you have to take what he says. But the reason for dropping players at man City necause we decided pace was the answer? Does he think we're stupid? So, we're more likely to beat Man City with Delfouneso and Bannan than Ashley Young and Downing. Should have just given the usual 'we thought we needed to rest players' rather than spout shite.
And there is the real problem, the supporters dont buy that and I guess the players didnt buy that either. It was a huge FCUK up, it undermined moral, it destroyed any momentum after the BBurn game. When you make a monumental mistake the best thing is to say, we fucked up, we wont do it again we really need your support.

I'd go along with that to a degree, but if as a manager you come out publicly and say you fucked up then you may as well ring a taxi first.
The problem is that he has done it too many times, but in the end honesty is the only answer. The bigger problm is if you fuck up and dont realise it and dont admit to it. Because every one believes that the next fuck up is just around the corner.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: WikiVilla on March 28, 2011, 10:29:08 PM
Houllier and Mcallister are having to manage a MUTINY here, & in that respect I feel for them
Its UNPROFESSIONAL, Its not right, It stinks of modern day prima dona **** & i want it gone from  my club
We'll see this through, together as fans
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Cuz on March 28, 2011, 10:38:25 PM
Ok lets play Devils advocate here, someone comes into your place of work tomorrow and totally changes your role inwhich you have been doing well at and enjoy, is it unprofessional to question it or to be upset ? no thats human nature, they are not prima donas just pissed off i suspect, its poor management i'm afraid
Houllier and Mcallister are having to manage a MUTINY here, & in that respect I feel for them
Its UNPROFESSIONAL, Its not right, It stinks of modern day prima dona **** & i want it gone from  my club
We'll see this through, together as fans

Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: WikiVilla on March 28, 2011, 10:43:04 PM
can be argued either way
witout full facts its futile speculating
nite x
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Cuz on March 28, 2011, 10:45:25 PM
Mutiny what Mutiny
nite nite kidnee
can be argued either way
witout full facts its futile speculating
nite x
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Shrek on March 28, 2011, 10:53:31 PM
Ok lets play Devils advocate here, someone comes into your place of work tomorrow and totally changes your role inwhich you have been doing well at and enjoy, is it unprofessional to question it or to be upset ? no thats human nature, they are not prima donas just pissed off i suspect, its poor management i'm afraid
Houllier and Mcallister are having to manage a MUTINY here, & in that respect I feel for them
Its UNPROFESSIONAL, Its not right, It stinks of modern day prima dona **** & i want it gone from  my club
We'll see this through, together as fans


Who was doing well before Houllier came in? We were a shambles before he turned up.

The players are a disgrace.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 28, 2011, 10:59:48 PM
The boss tells you what he wants doing and you do it. That's how work normally happens.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 28, 2011, 11:02:35 PM
Houllier and Mcallister are having to manage a MUTINY here, & in that respect I feel for them
Its UNPROFESSIONAL, Its not right, It stinks of modern day prima dona **** & i want it gone from  my club
We'll see this through, together as fans


I reckon he's left his laptop logged in and one of his mates has got hold of it or something.

He's probably posting "I AM A MASSIVE GAY" for him on Facebook right now, too.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: richardhubbard on March 28, 2011, 11:04:42 PM
Ok lets play Devils advocate here, someone comes into your place of work tomorrow and totally changes your role inwhich you have been doing well at and enjoy, is it unprofessional to question it or to be upset ? no thats human nature, they are not prima donas just pissed off i suspect, its poor management i'm afraid
Houllier and Mcallister are having to manage a MUTINY here, & in that respect I feel for them
Its UNPROFESSIONAL, Its not right, It stinks of modern day prima dona **** & i want it gone from  my club
We'll see this through, together as fans


Who was doing well before Houllier came in? We were a shambles before he turned up.

The players are a disgrace.
Were we really a shambles, yeah we were shit at Newcastle, but not a shambles , thats somewhat stretching the truth
We won 2 and lost 1 I think before we was appointed, since then won 5 in 27 games, now that s a shambles
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: BC54 VFC on March 28, 2011, 11:05:20 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/12888174.stm
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 28, 2011, 11:08:31 PM
Ok lets play Devils advocate here, someone comes into your place of work tomorrow and totally changes your role inwhich you have been doing well at and enjoy, is it unprofessional to question it or to be upset ? no thats human nature, they are not prima donas just pissed off i suspect, its poor management i'm afraid
Houllier and Mcallister are having to manage a MUTINY here, & in that respect I feel for them
Its UNPROFESSIONAL, Its not right, It stinks of modern day prima dona **** & i want it gone from  my club
We'll see this through, together as fans


Who was doing well before Houllier came in? We were a shambles before he turned up.

The players are a disgrace.
Were we really a shambles, yeah we were shit at Newcastle, but not a shambles , thats somewhat stretching the truth
We won 2 and lost 1 I think before we was appointed, since then won 5 in 27 games, now that s a shambles

How is it possible to lose 6-0 to a newly promoted team and not be a shambles?
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 28, 2011, 11:09:59 PM
The boss tells you what he wants doing and you do it. That's how work normally happens.

In a lot of cases, yes. But if you're a financially independent professional who sees the new boss make error after error and prove themselves totally unsuitable for the role, you quickly become demotivated. You may even go over his head, and that may or may not be effective; if it isn't you start to look for the next possible way out.

Granted, you probably don't in the meantime get pissed and start having a go at the guy in middle management who hired you, for whom you ought to have nothing but respect and admiration.

Fault on both sides?
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Lizz on March 28, 2011, 11:12:08 PM
The ticker tape or whatever it's called on BBC News [channel 80 on Freeview] right now is saying Gary McAllister rubbishes talk of player mutinies at Villa.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 28, 2011, 11:13:21 PM
The boss tells you what he wants doing and you do it. That's how work normally happens.

In a lot of cases, yes. But if you're a financially independent professional who sees the new boss make error after error and prove themselves totally unsuitable for the role, you quickly become demotivated. You may even go over his head, and that may or may not be effective; if it isn't you start to look for the next possible way out.

Granted, you probably don't in the meantime get pissed and start having a go at the guy in middle management who hired you, for whom you ought to have nothing but respect and admiration.

Fault on both sides?

Definitely. But I don't see much hysterical abuse of the players.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Linus on March 28, 2011, 11:13:36 PM
Man employed by manager in "players have no problem with manager" claim shock
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: eamonn on March 28, 2011, 11:19:02 PM
Anyone got a ''Listen Again'' link for this or at least what show it was on? That
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: olaftab on March 28, 2011, 11:20:38 PM
The boss tells you what he wants doing and you do it. That's how work normally happens.

In a lot of cases, yes. But if you're a financially independent professional who sees the new boss make error after error and prove themselves totally unsuitable for the role, you quickly become demotivated. You may even go over his head, and that may or may not be effective; if it isn't you start to look for the next possible way out.

Granted, you probably don't in the meantime get pissed and start having a go at the guy in middle management who hired you, for whom you ought to have nothing but respect and admiration.

Fault on both sides?

Football players are not financially independent. They are financially dependent on their club and sponsors. They need that source of income. They would do better to protect that source by plying their trade in the most effective way possible.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 28, 2011, 11:27:45 PM
The boss tells you what he wants doing and you do it. That's how work normally happens.

In a lot of cases, yes. But if you're a financially independent professional who sees the new boss make error after error and prove themselves totally unsuitable for the role, you quickly become demotivated. You may even go over his head, and that may or may not be effective; if it isn't you start to look for the next possible way out.

Granted, you probably don't in the meantime get pissed and start having a go at the guy in middle management who hired you, for whom you ought to have nothing but respect and admiration.

Fault on both sides?

Definitely. But I don't see much hysterical abuse of the players.

I've noticed Dunne, Collins, Downing and A. Young take some stick on here (rightly in the case of the former two, understandably in the case of the latter pair).

The point is, though, their jobs aren't to mollycoddle/bully/encourage each other do X, Y or Z to win matches - although it'd be nice to think they took a bit of interest in those things - that's what the manager is paid handsomly to do.

O'Neill's departure was a massive problem, but not relegation battle-massive.

He's got to go.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 28, 2011, 11:31:12 PM
The boss tells you what he wants doing and you do it. That's how work normally happens.

In a lot of cases, yes. But if you're a financially independent professional who sees the new boss make error after error and prove themselves totally unsuitable for the role, you quickly become demotivated. You may even go over his head, and that may or may not be effective; if it isn't you start to look for the next possible way out.

Granted, you probably don't in the meantime get pissed and start having a go at the guy in middle management who hired you, for whom you ought to have nothing but respect and admiration.

Fault on both sides?

Football players are not financially independent. They are financially dependent on their club and sponsors. They need that source of income. They would do better to protect that source by plying their trade in the most effective way possible.

Who of the if-not-disgruntled-then-certainly-some-way-off-being-completely-gruntled 4,5,6,7 0r 8 wouldn't have been financially independent by the time GH arrived?

Ok, I get it if it's technically the wrong term to use - what I meant is that they don't need Villa's money, they have their own, and there will be plenty of clubs willing to pay them more still, despite their behaviour this season.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 28, 2011, 11:35:47 PM
The boss tells you what he wants doing and you do it. That's how work normally happens.

In a lot of cases, yes. But if you're a financially independent professional who sees the new boss make error after error and prove themselves totally unsuitable for the role, you quickly become demotivated. You may even go over his head, and that may or may not be effective; if it isn't you start to look for the next possible way out.

Granted, you probably don't in the meantime get pissed and start having a go at the guy in middle management who hired you, for whom you ought to have nothing but respect and admiration.

Fault on both sides?

Definitely. But I don't see much hysterical abuse of the players.

I've noticed Dunne, Collins, Downing and A. Young take some stick on here (rightly in the case of the former two, understandably in the case of the latter pair).

The point is, though, their jobs aren't to mollycoddle/bully/encourage each other do X, Y or Z to win matches - although it'd be nice to think they took a bit of interest in those things - that's what the manager is paid handsomly to do.

O'Neill's departure was a massive problem, but not relegation battle-massive.

He's got to go.

No he hasn't. If things start to turn round - and I've seen it happen before, from worse positions than this - he'll deserve to stay and get the praise due to him for the stance he's taking. Some of the players have been criticised, but they haven't had the downright and extensive abuse he's endured from the day he was appointed and whatever their job is, precious few have done that to anywhere near the best of their ability either.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: hawkeye on March 28, 2011, 11:37:32 PM
The boss tells you what he wants doing and you do it. That's how work normally happens.

In a lot of cases, yes. But if you're a financially independent professional who sees the new boss make error after error and prove themselves totally unsuitable for the role, you quickly become demotivated. You may even go over his head, and that may or may not be effective; if it isn't you start to look for the next possible way out.

Granted, you probably don't in the meantime get pissed and start having a go at the guy in middle management who hired you, for whom you ought to have nothing but respect and admiration.

Fault on both sides?

Football players are not financially independent. They are financially dependent on their club and sponsors. They need that source of income. They would do better to protect that source by plying their trade in the most effective way possible.
The players that seem to be causing the problems have been in the game for some time, have amassed earnings in a few years that the rest of us could not expect in several life times, so how many millions in the bank makes you financially independant?
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Louzie0 on March 28, 2011, 11:41:57 PM

No he hasn't. If things start to turn round - and I've seen it happen before, from worse positions than this - he'll deserve to stay and get the praise due to him for the stance he's taking. Some of the players have been criticised, but they haven't had the downright and extensive abuse he's endured from the day he was appointed and whatever their job is, precious few have done that to anywhere near the best of their ability either.
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That's the truth...
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 28, 2011, 11:42:46 PM
Yes, of course, if he somehow manages to win 5 or 6 of the remaining games and it turns out that we've reached, and moved on from, our nadir then he deserves a full summer to do what he will.

If, though, we carry on in the manner that he's established for us to date (whether we heave to safety or not) we surely shouldn't be made to tolerate any more of him.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: olaftab on March 29, 2011, 12:11:27 AM
The players that seem to be causing the problems have been in the game for some time, have amassed earnings in a few years that the rest of us could not expect in several life times, so how many millions in the bank makes you financially independant?

Ahhh..that is how we think it would be but I bet you they have wasted most of it away on bad spending habits. Beckham's need to earn circa £20m a year to fund their life style. Remember we can all spend if we have it and the players life  style dictates that they must keep earning. Money lots of it also makes you insecure by the thought of not having it in the future.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Louzie0 on March 29, 2011, 12:25:58 AM
Would seriously like to earn £20 million quid to support a lifestyle.


and...agree with aftab
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: KevinGage on March 29, 2011, 12:26:27 AM
Lip service,from what i've seen he has shown no interest passion or anything other than a whisper in Houliers ear, not a Villa man not a good number 2 a failed coach/manager in every club he has been involved in, give me a Taylor Townsend or Morley all day long on that bench at least they would show some passion

I don't seem to remember Brian Little jumping up and down, screaming and shouting much when he was Villa manager. Would you question his passion for the Villa?

As for a failed manager at every club he has been involved in, well this is the case with a lot of assistant managers. Peter Taylor of Clough/Taylor fame and Carlos Queiroz to name just two.

He may well be a poor assistant manager, but to suggest that someone should get the job instead just because they played for Villa is ridiculous to my mind, as is suggesting that you can only show passion for a job or club if you were a player there.



Agreed. But that won't stop the calls for Laursen, Townsend or Gary Penrice as some kind of motivational speaker/ touchline gyrator/ player manager.




The boss tells you what he wants doing and you do it. That's how work normally happens.

In a lot of cases, yes. But if you're a financially independent professional who sees the new boss make error after error and prove themselves totally unsuitable for the role, you quickly become demotivated. You may even go over his head, and that may or may not be effective; if it isn't you start to look for the next possible way out.

Granted, you probably don't in the meantime get pissed and start having a go at the guy in middle management who hired you, for whom you ought to have nothing but respect and admiration.

Fault on both sides?

Definitely. But I don't see much hysterical abuse of the players.

May I direct you to the Ashley Young thread.

Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 29, 2011, 12:36:22 AM
May I direct you to about 150 other threads.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Legion on March 29, 2011, 07:21:48 AM
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Aston Villa assistant manager Gary McAllister has rubbished suggestions there is a mutiny taking place at the struggling Premier League club.

Players were reportedly unhappy at new rules allegedly brought in by manager Gerard Houllier, including the banning of mobile phones.

"I don't think there's any mutiny here," McAllister told BBC Sport.

"There's been little arguments here and there but nothing outside the realms of what happens at most clubs."

Villa have won only six of their past 25 Premier League games, leaving them one point above the bottom three.

Some fans called for Houllier's head after the 1-0 home defeat by Wolves, but he has since received a vote of confidence from chief executive Paul Faulkner, who said the club's best chance of staying up is with the Frenchman in charge.

On Sunday, goalkeeper Brad Friedel also said rumours of a player revolt were "laughable".

Friedel added: "Supporters need to know there is nothing in this story."

Meanwhile, McAllister denied suggestions Houllier had made draconian changes to the club rule book and dismissed rumours that players were unable to speak to chairman Randy Lerner without Houllier's permission.

"The facts are most football clubs have a rule book which is set by the PFA [Professional Footballers' Association] and apart from little tweaks here and there, it's a standard rule book," said McAllister.

"Mobile phones aren't switched on inside the building and Gerard had this rule when I was a player at Liverpool.

"It's to encourage people to speak to each other rather than be texting and phoning. But when they get to the car park, its fine.

"And I've never worked under a chairman who's more accomodating. I've probably spoken to him more than I've spoken to any other chairman."

McAllister added that the staff and players' "passion and feel for the club" will see them avoid relegation, despite many of Villa's players being unfamiliar with relegation battles.

"I've seen some of the players talking about pride, playing for the fans, playing for the jersey - they know we're in a bit of trouble and we need to produce," he said.

"I agree some players in other teams are a little bit more hardened. But I don't think it's going to be a problem because players' pride and quality will lift them above it.

"We've got enough quality and goals in the team and we all believe we'll be good enough to come out the other side."

McAllister also denied suggestions that Houllier, his former boss at Liverpool, was losing his appetite for the task.

"Gerard Houllier is a proven manager - I'm working under somebody who's had to make big decisions, won things," said the Scot.

"I don't think he does anything by half measures. One of the things he said to me when he asked me to join him is that there's an opportunity to get a project going.

"It's a club that's got most things in place - the training ground, the stadium, the fans, a squad that's done well in the past - and he's here to try to take it to the next level, to pick up a trophy."

Villa's next game is a Premier League fixture away against Everton on Saturday.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: WikiVilla on March 29, 2011, 07:59:17 AM
Why would the players need to speak to Lerner anyway ?
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: Legion on March 29, 2011, 08:04:31 AM
Mutiny what Mutiny
nite nite kidnee
can be argued either way
witout full facts its futile speculating
nite x

Little request. Please type your response to a quote beneath the original text. It makes it much more reader-friendly.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: lordmcgrath5 on March 29, 2011, 09:02:11 AM
There were certainly some holes in Gary M's cover-up strategy at times. But he gave a good account of himself overall and fair play to him for taking on a difficult interview.  I thought Pat Murphy's approach was excellent - he certainly teased some admissions out of our assistant manager without being overly aggressive or intrusive.

However, the most pertinent comment came afterwards when the panel said that they're reminded of Newcastle a couple of years back. Quite - that's a comparison I've had in my head since the Wolves game.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 29, 2011, 09:08:01 AM
There's no doubt some of them cannot stand GH or GM and they must know that or at least sense it, but fair play to him for fronting up
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: darren woolley on March 29, 2011, 09:39:59 AM
Good of him to come out and talk about what's going on.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: MarkM on March 29, 2011, 11:02:56 AM
Sounds like the death throws of a failed system if you ask me

They both have realised that they are dead men walking in terms of thier Villa futures.

Mark
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: Simon Ward on March 29, 2011, 11:59:56 AM
Sounds like the death throws of a failed system if you ask me

They both have realised that they are dead men walking in terms of thier Villa futures.

Mark

Are you alluding to the dreaded vote of confidence?
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: Stu on March 29, 2011, 12:16:07 PM
Ok lets play Devils advocate here, someone comes into your place of work tomorrow and totally changes your role inwhich you have been doing well at and enjoy, is it unprofessional to question it or to be upset ? no thats human nature, they are not prima donas just pissed off i suspect, its poor management i'm afraid
Houllier and Mcallister are having to manage a MUTINY here, & in that respect I feel for them
Its UNPROFESSIONAL, Its not right, It stinks of modern day prima dona **** & i want it gone from  my club
We'll see this through, together as fans


Poor analogy. Mainly because the players are on crazy wages. I wish the analogies with normal jobs would stop, footballers have a charmed life, its fuck all like what anyone else does for a living.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 29, 2011, 12:21:53 PM
You know the mere fact that we are being talked about in the media in relation to "Player mutiny" makes me sick to my stomach.

It seems the camp is split into 3 ways

1/ The players who did not have any sway with MON - who are playing better this year (NRC / Bannan / Albrighton / Clark)

2/ The MON inner circle players who did what they wanted to do as long as they performed to his masters voice (Petrov / carew / Dunne / Collins / Warnock /

3/ The generally good players and newbies that their form has been effected by number 2 above (Gabby / Young / Downing)

Either way i hope GH stays and proves a lot of people wrong as i feel long term he has some great ideas - i just hope we can clear some of the shit out and we stay up
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: Billy Walker on March 29, 2011, 12:34:08 PM
There were certainly some holes in Gary M's cover-up strategy at times. But he gave a good account of himself overall and fair play to him for taking on a difficult interview.  I thought Pat Murphy's approach was excellent - he certainly teased some admissions out of our assistant manager without being overly aggressive or intrusive.

However, the most pertinent comment came afterwards when the panel said that they're reminded of Newcastle a couple of years back. Quite - that's a comparison I've had in my head since the Wolves game.

There's a big difference between us and Newcastle from a couple of years back, that being that we are much more secure at boardroom level.  We have a person who cares about the club and has a fair bit of integrity about him as a chairman whereas Newcastle had Mike Ashley and his circus.  I think/hope to God that the strength we have in the boardroom makes us a far greater proposition than Newcastle were.  Hopefully strong leadership will see us through and get us back up where we belong. 
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: Billy Walker on March 29, 2011, 12:35:52 PM
You know the mere fact that we are being talked about in the media in relation to "Player mutiny" makes me sick to my stomach.

It seems the camp is split into 3 ways

1/ The players who did not have any sway with MON - who are playing better this year (NRC / Bannan / Albrighton / Clark)

2/ The MON inner circle players who did what they wanted to do as long as they performed to his masters voice (Petrov / carew / Dunne / Collins / Warnock /

3/ The generally good players and newbies that their form has been effected by number 2 above (Gabby / Young / Downing)

Either way i hope GH stays and proves a lot of people wrong as i feel long term he has some great ideas - i just hope we can clear some of the shit out and we stay up

I agree with all of that Hookey.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 29, 2011, 12:55:00 PM
You know the mere fact that we are being talked about in the media in relation to "Player mutiny" makes me sick to my stomach.

It seems the camp is split into 3 ways

1/ The players who did not have any sway with MON - who are playing better this year (NRC / Bannan / Albrighton / Clark)

2/ The MON inner circle players who did what they wanted to do as long as they performed to his masters voice (Petrov / carew / Dunne / Collins / Warnock /

3/ The generally good players and newbies that their form has been effected by number 2 above (Gabby / Young / Downing)

Either way i hope GH stays and proves a lot of people wrong as i feel long term he has some great ideas - i just hope we can clear some of the shit out and we stay up


thats my reading of it. From what i've heard the new guys haven't exactly be welcomed with open arms by some of MON's pets
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: WikiVilla on March 29, 2011, 12:59:26 PM
Mmm not so sure, eg. I was very surprises to hear Petrov was shedding no tears when MON walked. General consensus was we needed a change
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: Bad English on March 29, 2011, 01:11:29 PM
Sounds like the death throws of a failed system if you ask me
I am in the throes of agony reading this thread.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: damon loves JT on March 29, 2011, 01:13:54 PM
Sounds like the death throws of a failed system if you ask me
I am in the throes of agony reading this thread.

I can't wait for this thread to be over
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 29, 2011, 01:18:30 PM
Sounds like the death throws of a failed system if you ask me
I am in the throes of agony reading this thread.

I can't wait for this thread to be over
I love colourful throws; they can make an old settee look wonderful and breathe life back into a tired looking lounge.
Don't get me started on soft furnishings, purleease...
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: MarkM on March 29, 2011, 01:31:55 PM
For those who questioned my spelling...

"Those torches that light up the paths of death throw light for dying eyes upon the spectacle of a life's mistakes and sins; the carved stone figures express great ideas, they are symbols of a fact in human experience."

Counsin Pons by Honorde Balzac

My Cantona quote moment
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: Bad English on March 29, 2011, 01:36:06 PM
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Nobody questioned your spelling. Whatsoever. ;-)

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Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: damon loves JT on March 29, 2011, 02:28:09 PM
For those who questioned my spelling...

"Those torches that light up the paths of death throw light for dying eyes upon the spectacle of a life's mistakes and sins; the carved stone figures express great ideas, they are symbols of a fact in human experience."

Counsin Pons by Honorde Balzac

My Cantona quote moment

But I prefer
Quote from: Gustave Flaubert

Language is like a cracked kettle on which we tap crude rhythms for bears to dance to, while we long to make music that will move the stars to pity
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: Bad English on March 29, 2011, 03:14:21 PM
Not as profound as

Quote from: Philippe Djian
"Some brazen bint slid herself between the two of us us and asked her where the bogs were in the frigging house because she had to change her tampon."

Echine 1988
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: Mister E on March 29, 2011, 04:45:58 PM
However, I prefer "Language is courage: the ability to conceive a thought, to speak it, and by doing so to make it true." - Salman Rushdie, The Satanic Verses.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: mozza on March 29, 2011, 04:56:08 PM
GMc  mentions players playing for their pride, the fans and the jersey etc,....

The time for talking is over and done with till the final whistle v Liverpool -

It's what the players do on the pitch wearing Villa colours -

It's what the supporters do at Villa Park and at the four remaining away fixtures
to encourage the players and management to get this club to safety -

For my sins I've experienced relegation three times following Aston Villa and
for those who aren't old enough to say you've been there and done it - a word
of advice DON'T

(footnote - mind you .....had some cracking away days in the old Third Division)
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: adrenachrome on March 29, 2011, 05:03:22 PM
When William Burroughs wrote that language was a virus from outer space, he wasn't kidding around.
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: not3bad on March 29, 2011, 05:45:24 PM
But I prefer
Quote from: Gustave Flaubert

Language is like a cracked kettle on which we tap crude rhythms for bears to dance to, while we long to make music that will move the stars to pity

Damn!  Just a few characters to long to tweet!!
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5......in a minute
Post by: philthebar on March 29, 2011, 05:59:13 PM
Nev,,,,your a twat ,,withe was a scouse !!!!!
I'd never seen a post in Javascript before
I think he should post only using 0's and 1's. We will understand more. Some thing like "00001111000011110000110111111100000000010110"

How dare you, that's 0001100111000011ing libellous
Title: Re: Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport
Post by: damon loves JT on March 29, 2011, 06:01:03 PM
But I prefer
Quote from: Gustave Flaubert

Language is like a cracked kettle on which we tap crude rhythms for bears to dance to, while we long to make music that will move the stars to pity

Damn!  Just a few characters to long to tweet!!

It's easily the most quotable bit of Flaubert, but weirdly, very uncharacteristic of his writing. Usually he stopped short of saying anything that explicit.
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