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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: eastie on March 22, 2011, 04:15:19 PM
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O neill saying on sky the spending was £70m net in his 4 yrs and his so called big spending greatly exaggerated. Tribunal in 2 months time so he can't reveal more .
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Twat!
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Four eyed fuck.
He's part of the reason we're in this shit.
Transfer fees aren't the issue, it's the wage bill.
How he and Randy got us to spending 88% of our turnover on wages is beyond me.
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He is part of our current situation. Not as big as one as the oaf currently in charge but a part.
But it will be interesting to see the tribunal. We might find out his reasons for leaving. I don't know why there is a tribunal taking place as surely our board wouldn't be stupid enough to call a manager's bluff and force him out five minutes before the season.
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He clearly feels reports of big spending unfair and says he recouped a lot in sales, I think he will say that the board lacked the ambition he had for the club and will say not enough was to be spent, funny he's kept quiet so long and now he's going on about his spending being greatly exaggerated- nice suit and very smart looking too, he looks very well after his long rest.
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MoN is trained in the Law and it may well be he delivers a few home truths at the Tribunal. he will present a good case for himself I have no doubt. Considering our position now he will not be viewed badly in terms of perfomance using league tables as guide.
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Although he never lacked backing in the market, his pound for pound dealings of transfer fees bears scrutiny thinking about where we were to where he took us and the comparative spend of those around us.
As someone else said it was the spiraling wagebill and the underuse of high earners on that that was the issue.
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Just what we need now, that self centred fuck popping up.
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He never mentioned wages , just the money spent being greatly exaggerated, maybe the first step in him gearing up for his tribunal battle- something tells me he will win, I don't know why but I have a feeling there's more to this than we know, and with his law background he must think he has good grounds for a tribunal.
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It's interesting he's kept his fucking mouth shut all season right up until now, when we're really struggling and the entire media are talking about how we're screwed.
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MoN is trained in the Law and it may well be he delivers a few home truths at the Tribunal. he will present a good case for himself I have no doubt. Considering our position now he will not be viewed badly in terms of perfomance using league tables as guide.
He did a year of a law degree and reads books about serial killers. That's hardly trained in the law, to be fair.
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MoN is trained in the Law and it may well be he delivers a few home truths at the Tribunal. he will present a good case for himself I have no doubt. Considering our position now he will not be viewed badly in terms of perfomance using league tables as guide.
I think both he and the club will use better-qualified legal teams than him.
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It's interesting he's kept his fucking mouth shut all season right up until now, when we're really struggling and the entire media are talking about how we're screwed.
The timing of his departure now this, to me it demonstrates that he has a real venom for our club.
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It's interesting he's kept his fucking mouth shut all season right up until now, when we're really struggling and the entire media are talking about how we're screwed.
The timing of his departure now this, to me it demonstrates that he has a real venom for our club.
To be fair to him (did I say that) this tribunal has been ongoing for some time - it's just the timing that's shite.
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Agreed. The timing is shocking.
Talk about kicking us when we're down!
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MoN is trained in the Law and it may well be he delivers a few home truths at the Tribunal. he will present a good case for himself I have no doubt. Considering our position now he will not be viewed badly in terms of perfomance using league tables as guide.
I think both he and the club will use better-qualified legal teams than him.
That may well be the case and I don't doubt he'll use a Barrister..loser pays the bill.
You can be certain he is not going for a scoreless draw and the way we've been playing recently.. The timing of the case is intriguing don't you think? A month hence and we'll have a pretty good idea where we are and what future holds.
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Agreed. The timing is shocking.
Talk about kicking us when we're down!
As mentioned above, I'm guessing the courts decide the date of the actual hearing as opposed to either party.
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Expect to see a lot more of him as he goes on a PR offensive to get the media on his side ahead of the tribunal.
I can see it know, poor little impoverished glasses wearing nerd was bullied out of his job by those in charge of the big nasty football club. "I only spent £70,000,000" he snivels, "and then, the nasty bigger boys wouldn't let me have any more money" he wails.
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MoN is trained in the Law and it may well be he delivers a few home truths at the Tribunal. he will present a good case for himself I have no doubt. Considering our position now he will not be viewed badly in terms of perfomance using league tables as guide.
I think both he and the club will use better-qualified legal teams than him.
That may well be the case and I don't doubt he'll use a Barrister..loser pays the bill.
You can be certain he is not going for a scoreless draw and the way we've been playing recently.. The timing of the case is intriguing don't you think? A month hence and we'll have a pretty good idea where we are and what future holds.
Itr's interesting but purely coincidental. To start talking now, though, certainly isn't.
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MoN is trained in the Law and it may well be he delivers a few home truths at the Tribunal. he will present a good case for himself I have no doubt. Considering our position now he will not be viewed badly in terms of perfomance using league tables as guide.
He did a year of a law degree and reads books about serial killers. That's hardly trained in the law, to be fair.
If there's one thing that really boils my piss it's the urban myth that O'Neill has a law degree.
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It's almost as if he wants the club to settle without a hearing.
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MoN is trained in the Law and it may well be he delivers a few home truths at the Tribunal. he will present a good case for himself I have no doubt. Considering our position now he will not be viewed badly in terms of perfomance using league tables as guide.
He did a year of a law degree and reads books about serial killers. That's hardly trained in the law, to be fair.
If there's one thing that really boils my piss it's the urban myth that O'Neill has a law degree.
Risso, everything boils your piss. I would go so far as to say that your urine has an extremely low boiling point
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"He did a year of a law degree and reads books about serial killers. That's hardly trained in the law, to be fair"
It's a year longer than my training in the Law!
You do not represent yourself in these matters. You get a top notch barrister. If you lose you pay costs. He will have learnt that much.
and he is up against a shite defence!
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"He did a year of a law degree and reads books about serial killers. That's hardly trained in the law, to be fair"
It's a year longer than my training in the Law!
You do not represent yourself in these matters. You get a top notch barrister. If you lose you pay costs. He will have learnt that much.
and he is up against a shite defence!
*applause*
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MoN is trained in the Law and it may well be he delivers a few home truths at the Tribunal. he will present a good case for himself I have no doubt. Considering our position now he will not be viewed badly in terms of perfomance using league tables as guide.
He did a year of a law degree and reads books about serial killers. That's hardly trained in the law, to be fair.
If there's one thing that really boils my piss it's the urban myth that O'Neill has a law degree.
Risso, everything boils your piss. I would go so far as to say that your urine has an extremely low boiling point
Not so Mr Green, I think you'd be surprised by my incredibly relaxed demeanour were our paths ever to cross. However, it is true that Villa's current predicament makes me a bit cross. I would though argue that my musings on Off Topic are generally less tetchy. Apart from on politics threads. An religion. And anything to do with banks, I really hate those fucking bastards.
OK, so technically you might be right afterall.
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MoN is trained in the Law and it may well be he delivers a few home truths at the Tribunal. he will present a good case for himself I have no doubt. Considering our position now he will not be viewed badly in terms of perfomance using league tables as guide.
He did a year of a law degree and reads books about serial killers. That's hardly trained in the law, to be fair.
If there's one thing that really boils my piss it's the urban myth that O'Neill has a law degree.
Risso, everything boils your piss. I would go so far as to say that your urine has an extremely low boiling point
Not so Mr Green, I think you'd be surprised by my incredibly relaxed demeanour were our paths ever to cross. However, it is true that Villa's current predicament makes me a bit cross. I would though argue that my musings on Off Topic are generally less tetchy. Apart from on politics threads. An religion. And anything to do with banks, I really hate those fucking bastards.
OK, so technically you might be right afterall.
Well, at least in this instance, we're all in it together ;)
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MoN is trained in the Law and it may well be he delivers a few home truths at the Tribunal. he will present a good case for himself I have no doubt. Considering our position now he will not be viewed badly in terms of perfomance using league tables as guide.
He did a year of a law degree and reads books about serial killers. That's hardly trained in the law, to be fair.
If there's one thing that really boils my piss it's the urban myth that O'Neill has a law degree.
Risso, everything boils your piss. I would go so far as to say that your urine has an extremely low boiling point
Risso is a vacuum, Risso is a vacuum..nah, nah, nah, naaah!
:D
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Vacuous maybe.
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Expect to see a lot more of him as he goes on a PR offensive to get the media on his side ahead of the tribunal.
He'll have no problem there, the media have ALWAYS been on his side.
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I don't think it's to get the media on his side, it's a kind of veiled threat to the Villa. `Look how much coverage I can get. Imagine I was saying nasty things about you after an acrimonious tribunal hearing. How would you like that?'
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I don't think it's to get the media on his side, it's a kind of veiled threat to the Villa. `Look how much coverage I can get. Imagine I was saying nasty things about you after an acrimonious tribunal hearing. How would you like that?'
Any chance of getting in at the tribunal Damon, that's one match thread I'd like to read.
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It's not a proper Industrial Tribunal, is it? Just some spoof version organised by the LMA. I doubt there will be any public access.
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He is including Milner as one of his sales. You left before Martin, you self indulged little man.
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I miss him. I know blessed Martin, etc, etc. But I do
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Pavlov needn't have bothered with his dogs he could have just mentioned Martin O'Neill to Internet Villa fans and observed the same sort of conditioned reaction . Come to think it would work just as well for David O'Leary or the current bloke. Am I detecting a pattern here?
I am neither defending him nor attacking anyone on here, just observing.
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DOL awful
MON nearly man
GH catastrophic
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Vacuous maybe.
Is 'vacuous' another name for 'drama queen'? (winky)
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He must be feeling very smug and laughing heartily to himself, as would any of us if we left a job and saw the replacement making such a balls of everything.
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Pavlov needn't have bothered with his dogs he could have just mentioned Martin O'Neill to Internet Villa fans and observed the same sort of conditioned reaction . Come to think it would work just as well for David O'Leary or the current bloke. Am I detecting a pattern here?
You certainly are detecting a pattern with O'Leary and O'Neill, Chris.
They are both ******.
Houllier isn't the sort of bloke you can hate, he's just incompetent.
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DOL awful
MON nearly man
GH catastrophic
MON = Good*
GH = Bad
DO'L = Ugly
*MON's good later turned bad now it's getting ugly.
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£70 million net on crap (£95 million if he is including milner in the figures), and nearly 90% of the 20th best turnover in europe on wages before running away before the going got tough...
fuckwit...
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I'm surprised it's not even a bone fide industrial tribunal. What exactly is he 'suing' us for? Why hasn't the club just told him to go fuck himself? Would Heskey be regarded as a witness or as evidence?
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Despite his failings (and he had a few), i wish he was on the touchline for us up at Goodison next Saturday instead of the cardboard cut-out that will be there.
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Agreed. The timing is shocking.
Talk about kicking us when we're down!
As mentioned above, I'm guessing the courts decide the date of the actual hearing as opposed to either party.
I'll admit I haven't seen the clip so I'm jumping the gun. Will refrain until I have seen it.
However, unless a reporter has been waiting outside his house or on the gold course or wherever an unemployed uber wealthy manager goes, it is optional for him to comment on things like our transfer spend.
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Despite his failings (and he had a few), i wish he was on the touchline for us up at Goodison next Saturday instead of the cardboard cut-out that will be there.
So do I but that says more about the cardboard cut out than anything else.
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I'm surprised it's not even a bone fide industrial tribunal. What exactly is he 'suing' us for? Why hasn't the club just told him to go fuck himself? Would Heskey be regarded as a witness or as evidence?
I would guess that it would be alleging that the club made his position untenable due to withholding of transfer funds and/or the reduction of power in his role. I don't think he liked Faulkner taking a more active role in things and felt strongly enough about it to resign. Of course, this is just me guessing.
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He walked out? Surely that entitles him to the square root of fuck all?
******
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He walked out? Surely that entitles him to the square root of fuck all?
c***
Not a fan then Phil? ;)
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Knowing MON he'll spin it & walk away with 7 figs
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He's quite right about it being £70m spent on transfers, that's what i got it to be anyhow. He is still a twat though for paying the wages he did, not looking further than the end of his nose for players, and walking out when he did. And playing turgid football for the last 18 months.
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He may well have been forced out. But the timing of him coming out in the press and deciding to slag off my club means that he is in fact a grade a ******, lower than O'Leary in my opinion.
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Do you know what, for all the way he treated us, if he reached an out-of-court settlement whereby he'll come back and manage us for the last eight games and walk away with £5m if we stay up, I'd bite his hand off.
I really would prostitute myself that low for what is at stake.
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£70m not bad over 4 years in fairness
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I assume he is going for constructive dismissal.
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I'm surprised it's not even a bone fide industrial tribunal. What exactly is he 'suing' us for? Why hasn't the club just told him to go fuck himself? Would Heskey be regarded as a witness or as evidence?
I think your guess is probably right and he is going for constructive dismissal
The tribunal has been used in several high-profile cases in recent years.
In 2009, it upheld a constructive dismissal claim by Alan Curbishley against his former club West Ham.
Earlier that year, former Newcastle manager Kevin Keegan was awarded £2m damages plus interest after winning his case against the club for constructive dismissal.
I would guess that it would be alleging that the club made his position untenable due to withholding of transfer funds and/or the reduction of power in his role. I don't think he liked Faulkner taking a more active role in things and felt strongly enough about it to resign. Of course, this is just me guessing.
You may well be right, if recent cases are anything to go by.
BBC Sport (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/9412724.stm):
The tribunal has been used in several high-profile cases in recent years.
In 2009, it upheld a constructive dismissal claim by Alan Curbishley against his former club West Ham.
Earlier that year, former Newcastle manager Kevin Keegan was awarded £2m damages plus interest after winning his case against the club for constructive dismissal.
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He spent far far too much on average players for me, Warnock, Davies etc. I'd have never paid £12m for Downing, but then again i probably would'nt have paid it for Milner either.
You could also say that despite the spiralling wage bill and the money he supposedly wasted, it did'nt stop us spending £24m in January just gone.
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MoN is trained in the Law and it may well be he delivers a few home truths at the Tribunal. he will present a good case for himself I have no doubt. Considering our position now he will not be viewed badly in terms of perfomance using league tables as guide.
He did a year of a law degree and reads books about serial killers. That's hardly trained in the law, to be fair.
If there's one thing that really boils my piss it's the urban myth that O'Neill has a law degree.
I understand he didn`t complete the degree primarily because he tried to take an easy option to become successful - from someone who knew him well in Derry.
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Pavlov needn't have bothered with his dogs he could have just mentioned Martin O'Neill to Internet Villa fans and observed the same sort of conditioned reaction . Come to think it would work just as well for David O'Leary or the current bloke. Am I detecting a pattern here?
I am neither defending him nor attacking anyone on here, just observing.
Not like you to sit on the fence Mr Smith :)
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Has anyone got a link to his interview?
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He may well have been forced out. But the timing of him coming out in the press and deciding to slag off my club means that he is in fact a grade a c***, lower than O'Leary in my opinion.
Just how is he slagging of the club? The timing is decided by others.
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Seems that he's trying to get the one benefit that a ''rolling contract'' didn't give him - a pay-off when leaving the club.
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O'Neill looks to be going for constructive dismissal. The fact he mentions Milner even though it happens after his departure suggests that this transfer was integral to his departure. He wanted final say in transfers as stipulated in contract and the Milner deal involving Ireland instead of cash was a breach of contract by the club.
As for MON using the media, why wouldn't he. The club bombard us with stories of players working hard for the manager, We hear tales of the manager being at the club from first thing in the morning til last thing at night (insert your own joke here). If the club had a case against O'Neill they would have put it in the press themselves, the fact they haven't makes me think they called O'Neills bluff believing he wouldn't walk just before season started. Expensive mistake for them if the Villa go down, but hey we had the pleasure of Stephen Ireland for a few months
If MON had been on the sideline on Saturday we would not have had one of the most uninspiring Villa performances I have seen in nearly 40 years. It was like watching a gang of strangers wearing the shirts as they played without fight or passion and we as fans had given up as well by the end of the game. Where will the fight come from, cos that is what we need know not passing football, which we were similarly bereft of on Saturday
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Did we lose a single derby under MON ?? I think not
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Did we lose a single derby under MON ?? I think not
Wind-up merchant.
There's far more to supporting a team than a derby.
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I've heard that he gave notice in the May to terminate the tenancy agreement on the house he used in Sutton Coldfield.
If this is the case, did he already know he was going to leave ? If that was the case the fact that he then waited until a few days before the start of the season is an act of negligence towards his employers. Perhaps Villa should be suing him for damages.
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Thanks for leaving us in the lurch five days before the start of the season and initiating the mess we now find ourselves in.
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Totally agree he's a ****** for leaving us in the lurch, the derby comment was in response to johnc's note re saturday
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MON caused the black whole. He's the bastard that never brought a decent striker, he's the ****** that left us in the lurch.
And now he resurfaces. MON can fuck off and die.
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MON caused the black whole. He's the bastard that never brought a decent striker, he's the c*** that left us in the lurch.
And now he resurfaces. MON can fuck off and die.
Yes, he's off my Christmas card list aswell.
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It wasn't a tv interview , he was talking behind a desk in some meeting and said about his spending being greatly exaggerated and only £70m in reality, one of the committee asked him why he left villa but he went all coy and said ' you are quite entitled to ask but I cannot answer due to the case going to tribunal in 2 months time'- it was some kind of football committee In parliament I believe.
Sky showed the clip this afternoon , very smart suit and looking the part, there was an ex fa boss there too , not sure why o neill was invited?
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One things for sure Villa have really fucked this guy over otherwise how can you explain his sponsored silence up to now? He's going to have his day just like he did in August lets just hope he has the decency to do it in the close season. >:(
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Twat!
Eastie's not that bad.
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I don't get the criticism of MON over mentioning Milner. Seems to me that he did not want to sell him and he did not want Ireland. Seems fairly sensible to me. It should've been his decision. It wasn't, he left.
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Prick.
But if we dumped Houllier and took O Neill back for the rest of the season I'd do fucking cartwheels down the road and back!
Say what you will about the guy being a little shit, which he is, but results don't lie. As it was I think he overachieved with the players he had (and indeed bought in).
It's been quite a drastic shift from getting closer to the top 4 than perhaps our quality merited, to being well, well below par and in danger of being relegated on the most part down to our woefully inept current manager.
I think in all honesty Martin O Neill was the best manager we could have hoped for at the time we got him and had him. A ship has sailed now, and we'll at best (and I'll happily take it now) be chasing the shadows of the top 6, along with the likes of Everton, Bolton and Sunderland. Next season that is. This season we're up the creek. Or we might just be heading the championship next season, who knows!
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O'Neill back? After what he did? No way. Ever.
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Maybe he had a good reason for leaving?
We are all still in the dark about it.
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http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,12602_6830091,00.html
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If there's one thing that really boils my piss it's the urban myth that O'Neill has a law degree.
Duverne fucked up the fitness of the players you know.
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So actually he was attending an official event and was asked publicly about why he left Villa. He revealled little, did not slag the club off, although some on here want to say that he has deliberately surfaced during a difficult time for the club to seek publicity. Some people are so desperate to call MON names. We have no idea why he left but for some reason people have convinced themselves that he chose a moment to harm a club he'd spent four years building. Get a grip
I'd have him back tomorrow - and I'd bet he'd get a huge positive welcome at Villa Park. Won't happen though and nor should it onwards and upwards - or actually downwards and sideways for a while.
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Thanks ILITA- looks like a parliamentary committee to me.
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I don't get the criticism of MON over mentioning Milner. Seems to me that he did not want to sell him and he did not want Ireland. Seems fairly sensible to me. It should've been his decision. It wasn't, he left.
It's the only plausible and semi acceptable excuse. MON still caused most of the shite we're in.
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I don't get the criticism of MON over mentioning Milner. Seems to me that he did not want to sell him and he did not want Ireland. Seems fairly sensible to me. It should've been his decision. It wasn't, he left.
It's the only plausible and semi acceptable excuse. MON still caused most of the shite we're in.
I think the cause is mostly down to the manager who's only won 6 league games since he's been here, but each to their own i suppose.
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No slagging off the club or the fans yeah he a right ******. He wasted money and spent some well blah , blah.
He is my mind achieved most since BFR, what a ****** and then got pissed off for reasons we dont know and walked away, which as we all are entitled to do in a jobs that we can.
I know I left jobs at worst possible time for my employer and bet a few have on here done
He not the guy that won 6 games in 25 and got us to 14th.
That man definitely a ******
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I think the cause is mostly down to the manager who's only won 6 league games since he's been here, but each to their own i suppose.
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For all the credit and blind faith the current manager gets and for his alleged "aura", I can't for a second understand how could he possibly end up with such poor results, so much PR cock ups, so much personal ego demonstrations and so many people turned against him. What really frightens me though is the belief that things will get rosier once he gets rid of 80% of the current squad in the summer, because apparently they are so stupid that they do not understand his genius ideas about playing the football the right way... :(
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Some people have very short memories, have him back to get us out of trouble? this is the time of year we died in the arse under ONeill, post Cristmas we were always shit. Think hard about the players he ostracised, one in particular never got picked for months and now is a regular in midfield, he had as many fallings out with players as Houllier. Think about the huge wages he paid for wankers we can't get rid of and who never kicked a ball in anger. The wonderful revelation that our new spearhead to lead the revolution at Villa was going to be Marvellous Marlon Harewood. Giving the game away in Europe which i believe started the rot at Villa. He left because he could see the writing on the wall pure and simple and remember he was all set to ditch us to go to Liverpool.
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He left us ..remember. Let him go.
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I think it is great that a parliamentary committee has been set up and is discussing the Villa, fair play to them!
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Wasn't the reason for his public appearance today the fact he'd been asked to give evidence to the House of Commons culture committee on its inquiry into football governance? Him and Coppell. To which, when asked by one MP, he pointedly refused to gives the reason why he left Villa. I don't necessarily buy the story he walked, or even if he did that he timed it to maximise damage to the club out of malice - complete nonsense. Unfortunately with Villa, gagging clauses seem to kick in and we rarely get the full picture when a manager goes. What I do know is all round he was a cut above who we have in charge now.
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Wasn't the reason for his public appearance today the fact he'd been asked to give evidence to the House of Commons culture committee on its inquiry into football governance?
Yes. Link (http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/culture-media-and-sport-committee/news/forthcoming-evidence-sessions/).
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Wasn't the reason for his public appearance today the fact he'd been asked to give evidence to the House of Commons culture committee on its inquiry into football governance?
Yes. Link (http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/culture-media-and-sport-committee/news/forthcoming-evidence-sessions/).
Yeah, but you know what these Parliamentary committees are like, they've been little more than MON mouthpieces for decades.
I still shudder at the treatment they dished out to Honest Robert Chase after that little bastard, who hasn't even got a Law degree by the way (Ged may be many things but at least his LLB's bought & paid for), did the dirty on him at Norwich in the 90s.
That Jeremy Corbyn's been making sly digs about Cuellar's injury record all season. And don't get me started on that c*** Michael Fabricant and his Historians FC schtick.
It's an anti-Villa conspiracy all right, make no mistake about that.
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Wasn't the reason for his public appearance today the fact he'd been asked to give evidence to the House of Commons culture committee on its inquiry into football governance?
Yes. Link (http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/culture-media-and-sport-committee/news/forthcoming-evidence-sessions/).
Yeah, but you know what these Parliamentary committees are like, they've been little more than MON mouthpieces for decades.
I still shudder at the treatment they dished out to Honest Robert Chase after that little bastard, who hasn't even got a Law degree by the way (Ged may be many things but at least his LLB's bought & paid for), did the dirty on him at Norwich in the 90s.
That Jeremy Corbyn's been making sly digs about Cuellar's injury record all season. And don't get me started on that c*** Michael Fabricant and his Historians FC schtick.
It's an anti-Villa conspiracy all right, make no mistake about that.
Brill
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For no particular reason I actually thought we'd paid up his contract, and couldn't understand what else he felt entitled to.
If it is about being paid up in full, maybe the timing of the case comes down to the point at which it became clear to him he would not get gainful employment during the remaining year of his rolling deal - if that is what he had.
Even accepting his own figures (I don't), 72 mill is still a very sizeable sum over 4 years. Especially when you consider that 3 of the 9 transfer windows he was actually at the club yielded little more than just one Petrov. If he's included the Milner money, it looks even worse when compared to what we actually got for the money, and that's before factoring in the total cost of his transfer dealings - mainly wages saved on sales vs wages spent on acquisitions.
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So actually he was attending an official event and was asked publicly about why he left Villa. He revealled little, did not slag the club off, although some on here want to say that he has deliberately surfaced during a difficult time for the club to seek publicity. Some people are so desperate to call MON names. We have no idea why he left but for some reason people have convinced themselves that he chose a moment to harm a club he'd spent four years building. Get a grip
Yeah, because I'm sure that today was the first time he's been asked about the club. I'm sure it wasn't, but it was the first time he decided to venture an opinion.
What makes me laugh is the bizarre loyalty of some people on here to a man who, when asked to do something all managers are asked to do from time to time - go easy on the spending - flounced out at a time he knew was going to drop us right in it.
How much do you think he gave a flying fuck about us at that point?
My money's on not at all.
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Surely we'd have him back for 8x games....
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Surely we'd have him back for 8x games....
No thanks
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Surely we'd have him back for 8x games....
Only if we'd decided we had absolutely zero self respect.
Having him back would be even more humiliating than turning to Big Sam to save us.
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Will Milner, Gillette and Hicks be called to give testimony?
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Surely we'd have him back for 8x games....
I would rather we were definately relegated
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Now that's being silly.
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For no particular reason I actually thought we'd paid up his contract, and couldn't understand what else he felt entitled to.
If it is about being paid up in full, maybe the timing of the case comes down to the point at which it became clear to him he would not get gainful employment during the remaining year of his rolling deal - if that is what he had.
i thought he only ever had rolling 1-year deals because of the situation with his wife's illness?
i imagine the club's stance will be that he resigned and therefore forfeited that contract and is entitled to no compensation.
what MON will be arguing for is constructive dismissal - similar to what curbishley did with west ham and won.
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it was my understanding based on cryptic comments from General K that the club simply demanded that we reduce the percentage wage bill. It was at about 80% or more of Gross and unsustainable. Add that a number of those expensive assets were never utilised and the club have a point.
MON wouldn't comply and that caused the impasse.
I think the Club ( decent minutes of the meeting I hope) have a strong enough case to defeat a constructive dismissal case.
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Wasn't the reason for his public appearance today the fact he'd been asked to give evidence to the House of Commons culture committee on its inquiry into football governance?
Yes. Link (http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/culture-media-and-sport-committee/news/forthcoming-evidence-sessions/).
From that link I see O'Neill was givng evidence to a parliamentary committee in somewhere called Thatcher room.
Next week, Steve Hodge and David O'Leary talk about their times at Villa from the site of Hitler's bunker.
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Mon didn't have to make any comment on villa at all, he chose to reveal his spending in at attempt to make it clear he felt it had been greatly exaggerated and even at £72 net it has been shown that in his 4 years only man city and chelsea spent more than him.
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So actually he was attending an official event and was asked publicly about why he left Villa. He revealled little, did not slag the club off, although some on here want to say that he has deliberately surfaced during a difficult time for the club to seek publicity. Some people are so desperate to call MON names. We have no idea why he left but for some reason people have convinced themselves that he chose a moment to harm a club he'd spent four years building. Get a grip
I'd have him back tomorrow - and I'd bet he'd get a huge positive welcome at Villa Park. Won't happen though and nor should it onwards and upwards - or actually downwards and sideways for a while.
Would he bollocks
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Surely we'd have him back for 8x games....
Only if we'd decided we had absolutely zero self respect.
Having him back would be even more humiliating than turning to Big Sam to save us.
More humiliating than getting relegated?
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it was my understanding based on cryptic comments from General K that the club simply demanded that we reduce the percentage wage bill. It was at about 80% or more of Gross and unsustainable. Add that a number of those expensive assets were never utilised and the club have a point.
MON wouldn't comply and that caused the impasse.
I think the Club ( decent minutes of the meeting I hope) have a strong enough case to defeat a constructive dismissal case.
The General said explicitly, not cryptically, that MON had agreed to the policy of reducing the wage bill at the start of the summer but then just before the fall out had changed his stance. The club had failed to sell the players that they had been trying to and the obvious conclusion is that the manager decided that if we wanted to compete we had to make our signings anyway and Faulkner said no
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Surely we'd have him back for 8x games....
only If he pays for the players wages
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Some people have very short memories, have him back to get us out of trouble? this is the time of year we died in the arse under ONeill, post Cristmas we were always shit. Think hard about the players he ostracised, one in particular never got picked for months and now is a regular in midfield, he had as many fallings out with players as Houllier. Think about the huge wages he paid for wankers we can't get rid of and who never kicked a ball in anger. The wonderful revelation that our new spearhead to lead the revolution at Villa was going to be Marvellous Marlon Harewood. Giving the game away in Europe which i believe started the rot at Villa. He left because he could see the writing on the wall pure and simple and remember he was all set to ditch us to go to Liverpool.
Are you sure? He is suing the Daily Mirror for libel for the story they wrote about him wanting to join Liverpool.
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I think mon basically has seen that without being given funds for transfers the club would not progress and therefore decided he couldn't take us on from there- quite understandable in that sense , seems we couldn't move certain players on and reached an impasse, I can see both sides of the story but the timing of his departure was disappointing, had he gone in may it would have been better.
Without huge investment no club is going to break the top 4 , and maybe mon wasn't prepared to settle for just top 6?
Also the arrival of Faulkner may have taken away some of his control at the club and had an impact on his decision.
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I think mon basically has seen that without being given funds for transfers the club would not progress and therefore decided he couldn't take us on from there- quite understandable in that sense , seems we couldn't move certain players on and reached an impasse, I can see both sides of the story but the timing of his departure was disappointing, had he gone in may it would have been better.
Without huge investment no club is going to break the top 4 , and maybe mon wasn't prepared to settle for just top 6?
That could have been written by Oliver Holt himself......making MON ambitious the club less so.
MON's failing was not getting rid of the shit he signed, getting them off the pay roll. Maybe if he put a bit more effort into this he'd still be here and we'd now be looking to offload MCGeady and Keane in the Summer and get them off the pay roll..
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Bren , you can't sell players if nobody will buy them. As is widely known I wanted mon out as I felt he'd taken us as far as he could , I didn't like the football and many of his decisions- in his 4 years he had a chance to spend big money and chase a top 4 place , for whatever reason we failed and it was very hsrd to compete without huge investment last summer.
The financial crash and man city's emergence were unforeseen and maybe randy just could not afford to keep pumping money in as was , it seems they had different views and that was that.
No way can I be called a mon backer but he did a lot of good at the club as well as a lot of bad , he wasn't the ogre some would portray and equally he wasn't the god others would have you believe.
He did a decent job in his time here - not great and not shit!
It was however best for the club that he departed but the mistake was not replacing him with a quality manager.
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I was over the moon when we got him and over the moon when he left. Sums it up for me.
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I was over the moon when we got him and over the moon when he left. Sums it up for me.
Exactly Same here juan Pablo!
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If MON had been on the sideline on Saturday we would not have had one of the most uninspiring Villa performances I have seen in nearly 40 years. It was like watching a gang of strangers wearing the shirts as they played without fight or passion
Which says more about the infantile mind of the footballer than anything else.
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Also the arrival of Faulkner may have taken away some of his control at the club and had an impact on his decision.
I think that had a lot to do with it. His ego was such that he didn't like being told what he could or couldn't do by a man much younger than him who was new to football.
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Also the arrival of Faulkner may have taken away some of his control at the club and had an impact on his decision.
I think that had a lot to do with it. His ego was such that he didn't like being told what he could or couldn't do by a man much younger than him who was new to football.
I think O'Neill would have been able to work within financial constraints, I don't think he would have accepted interference in football matters such as which players he could sign within those constraints.
The entire Select Commitee procedures are available online here - Clicky (http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=8010)
I can't see much wrong with what he said. He was challenged with "You spent £120m in 4 years at Villa" and responded with "The amount was much less… The figure was closer to £70m"
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What makes me laugh is the bizarre loyalty of some people on here to a man who, when asked to do something all managers are asked to do from time to time - go easy on the spending - flounced out at a time he knew was going to drop us right in it.
I don't see any loyalty to him being shown here. What I do see is those you think he did a good job at the club and aren't afraid to say so despite the nature of his departure. I'm one of them.
Im also of the opinion that the full story of what happened to make him leave is still to be told. Until then I'll reserve judgement on his character (OK - bit pissed off at the timing!) and defend his record as our manager.
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Quote from: Simba on Today at 04:15:56 AM
it was my understanding based on cryptic comments from General K that the club simply demanded that we reduce the percentage wage bill. It was at about 80% or more of Gross and unsustainable. Add that a number of those expensive assets were never utilised and the club have a point.
MON wouldn't comply and that caused the impasse.
I think the Club ( decent minutes of the meeting I hope) have a strong enough case to defeat a constructive dismissal case.
The General said explicitly, not cryptically, that MON had agreed to the policy of reducing the wage bill at the start of the summer but then just before the fall out had changed his stance. The club had failed to sell the players that they had been trying to and the obvious conclusion is that the manager decided that if we wanted to compete we had to make our signings anyway and Faulkner said no
Further to this, I think he actually touted Milner for a move because he couldn;t sell the others and he was the most sellable asset, therefore the only way of raising funds to buy his targets. Remebr the press comments where he said Milner had told him he wanted to go?
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What makes me laugh is the bizarre loyalty of some people [/quote]
I think it's sweet, embarrassing but sweet.
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Quote from: Simba on Today at 04:15:56 AM
it was my understanding based on cryptic comments from General K that the club simply demanded that we reduce the percentage wage bill. It was at about 80% or more of Gross and unsustainable. Add that a number of those expensive assets were never utilised and the club have a point.
MON wouldn't comply and that caused the impasse.
I think the Club ( decent minutes of the meeting I hope) have a strong enough case to defeat a constructive dismissal case.
The General said explicitly, not cryptically, that MON had agreed to the policy of reducing the wage bill at the start of the summer but then just before the fall out had changed his stance. The club had failed to sell the players that they had been trying to and the obvious conclusion is that the manager decided that if we wanted to compete we had to make our signings anyway and Faulkner said no
Further to this, I think he actually touted Milner for a move because he couldn;t sell the others and he was the most sellable asset, therefore the only way of raising funds to buy his targets. Remebr the press comments where he said Milner had told him he wanted to go?
not sure about that , i think milner very much wanted to go and wasnt interested in signing a new deal, therefore it made sense to cash in on him .
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What makes me laugh is the bizarre loyalty of some people
I think it's sweet, embarrassing but sweet.
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So you prefer hypocrisy, do you?
If people thought when he was here that he was doing a good job why should they now change their mind just to fit in with the prevailing mood?
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It's not about people speaking up about his record. It's excusing him for the shit he left us in, it's excusing him for the wages he spunked, it's blaming other people for him leaving. I wish he'd stayed, but then he'd decided he couldn't a shit about us. I find it strange how one or two are seemingly still in love with him.
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It's not about people speaking up about his record. It's excusing him for the shit he left us in, it's excusing him for the wages he spunked, it's blaming other people for him leaving. I wish he'd stayed, but then he'd decided he couldn't a shit about us. I find it strange how one or two are seemingly still in love with him.
I guess it might be that some, such as myself, don't see it as 'being left in the shit'. We had a good squad and are/were capable of much better that what we've seen this season, but the new manager has been a disaster - not his fault.
I don't blame anyone for him leaving other than Martin himself, but I do think the full reasons behind what happened are yet to be disclosed.
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I guess it might be that some, such as myself, don't see it as 'being left in the shit'.
He walked out five days before the season started, taking every member of the first team coaching staff with him. A more exact definition of "being left in the shit" I defy anyone to make.
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I guess it might be that some, such as myself, don't see it as 'being left in the shit'.
He walked out five days before the season started, taking every member of the first team coaching staff with him. A more exact definition of "being left in the shit" I defy anyone to make.
Agreed
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I guess it might be that some, such as myself, don't see it as 'being left in the shit'.
He walked out five days before the season started, taking every member of the first team coaching staff with him. A more exact definition of "being left in the shit" I defy anyone to make.
That was a temporary problem that was fixed by appointing a new man and letting him bring his own staff in, which we did.
Anytime a manager goes it usually also involves the coaches going eith him, so it wasn't unique.
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So actually he was attending an official event and was asked publicly about why he left Villa. He revealled little, did not slag the club off, although some on here want to say that he has deliberately surfaced during a difficult time for the club to seek publicity. Some people are so desperate to call MON names. We have no idea why he left but for some reason people have convinced themselves that he chose a moment to harm a club he'd spent four years building. Get a grip
I'd have him back tomorrow - and I'd bet he'd get a huge positive welcome at Villa Park. Won't happen though and nor should it onwards and upwards - or actually downwards and sideways for a while.
Would he bollocks
I would have the urge to even make a banner and burn my bra if he turned up.
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I guess it might be that some, such as myself, don't see it as 'being left in the shit'.
He walked out five days before the season started, taking every member of the first team coaching staff with him. A more exact definition of "being left in the shit" I defy anyone to make.
He left and so did his staff, he didn't budle them into a getaway car.
I can't defend the timing of his departure but I'm pretty sure it was for football reasons, he wanted to strengthen the side and wasn't allowed to because financial considerations were taking precedence so he left in fit of pique.
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Just read that Petrov fancies going to play in the MLS. However after this season he still has 2 years to run on his 53K a week contract so we will have to given him a golden handshake
Thanks again MON
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It's rumoured he'd been unhappy for a while, didn't he quit and get talked round by RL about 6-12 months prior to him going?
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I guess it might be that some, such as myself, don't see it as 'being left in the shit'.
He walked out five days before the season started, taking every member of the first team coaching staff with him. A more exact definition of "being left in the shit" I defy anyone to make.
We were a team that had just finished 6th for 3 seasons in a row so we weren't "in the sh*t" in the first place. His exit left us with the potential to enter into the sh*t which has seemingly been achieved by his successor.
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didn't he quit and get talked round by RL about 6-12 months prior to him going?
That was certainly the talk from those in the know at the time.
Who knows what happened? maybe the tribunal will flush the truth out?
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didn't he quit and get talked round by RL about 6-12 months prior to him going?
That was certainly the talk from those in the know at the time.
Who knows what happened? maybe the tribunal will flush the truth out?
It was on sky that he'd resigned and the club put out an official statement denying it so something clearly happened
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Just read that Petrov fancies going to play in the MLS. However after this season he still has 2 years to run on his 53K a week contract so we will have to given him a golden handshake
Thanks again MON
Just as a point of interest, how much would you expect the club captain of a top 6 side to be on?
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I guess it might be that some, such as myself, don't see it as 'being left in the shit'.
He walked out five days before the season started, taking every member of the first team coaching staff with him. A more exact definition of "being left in the shit" I defy anyone to make.
He left and so did his staff, he didn't budle them into a getaway car.
I can't defend the timing of his departure but I'm pretty sure it was for football reasons, he wanted to strengthen the side and wasn't allowed to because financial considerations were taking precedence so he left in fit of pique.
Yes, the coaching staff could have stayed too if they wanted, they are their own men, but they decided to go with MON. Their is still no clear reason why he left - if it was him or the club.
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Yeah its all O'Neill's fault. Ashley Young and James Milner are sh!te.
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didn't he quit and get talked round by RL about 6-12 months prior to him going?
That was certainly the talk from those in the know at the time.
Who knows what happened? maybe the tribunal will flush the truth out?
It was on sky that he'd resigned and the club put out an official statement denying it so something clearly happened
As I recall it, a news outlet without too many hang-ups about accuracy copied something from Ian "what a dimwit" Robathan's blog and other journalists without the time or inclination to check for facts repeated the story.
The club then said that the whole thing was a fabrication.
Remind me again why something 'clearly happened'?
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The General said explicitly, not cryptically, that MON had agreed to the policy of reducing the wage bill at the start of the summer but then just before the fall out had changed his stance. The club had failed to sell the players that they had been trying to and the obvious conclusion is that the manager decided that if we wanted to compete we had to make our signings anyway and Faulkner said no
Did the General say that we had failed to sell the players we had been trying to?
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I think mon basically has seen that without being given funds for transfers the club would not progress and therefore decided he couldn't take us on from there- quite understandable in that sense , seems we couldn't move certain players on and reached an impasse, I can see both sides of the story but the timing of his departure was disappointing, had he gone in may it would have been better.
Without huge investment no club is going to break the top 4 , and maybe mon wasn't prepared to settle for just top 6?
That could have been written by Oliver Holt himself......making MON ambitious the club less so.
MON's failing was not getting rid of the shit he signed, getting them off the pay roll. Maybe if he put a bit more effort into this he'd still be here and we'd now be looking to offload MCGeady and Keane in the Summer and get them off the pay roll..
That's the point.
Every manager, bar Mancini, has to work on the payroll and the squad, it can't just be "buy, buy, buy".
He clearly felt he was above that. Which is a shame.
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Yeah its all O'Neill's fault. Ashley Young and James Milner are sh!te.
Ashley Young is.
O'Neill is a twat.
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It's not about people speaking up about his record. It's excusing him for the shit he left us in, it's excusing him for the wages he spunked, it's blaming other people for him leaving. I wish he'd stayed, but then he'd decided he couldn't a shit about us. I find it strange how one or two are seemingly still in love with him.
I guess it might be that some, such as myself, don't see it as 'being left in the shit'. We had a good squad and are/were capable of much better that what we've seen this season, but the new manager has been a disaster - not his fault.
I don't blame anyone for him leaving other than Martin himself, but I do think the full reasons behind what happened are yet to be disclosed.
Indeed. I just don't get this argument that O'Neill walked out five minutes before the season out of little more than contempt and spite that is so widely accepted. It is almost Overallian. It is simply not believable.
I'm sure MoN had his reasons for leaving and I am very interested to find out what they were. It is then and only then that I will decide if he is a twat and whether he left for a good reason.
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The General said explicitly, not cryptically, that MON had agreed to the policy of reducing the wage bill at the start of the summer but then just before the fall out had changed his stance. The club had failed to sell the players that they had been trying to and the obvious conclusion is that the manager decided that if we wanted to compete we had to make our signings anyway and Faulkner said no
Did the General say that we had failed to sell the players we had been trying to?
He didn't need to, the players not leaving gave it away. *wink*
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I don't blame anyone for him leaving other than Martin himself, but I do think the full reasons behind what happened are yet to be disclosed.
So leaving the club with no coaching staff 5 days before the season kicked off after having had several talks and agreements with the management about continuing in the job, is a), not his fault and b) of no detriment to the club or our season ?
Dear me, how sad is that.
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I guess it might be that some, such as myself, don't see it as 'being left in the shit'.
He walked out five days before the season started, taking every member of the first team coaching staff with him. A more exact definition of "being left in the shit" I defy anyone to make.
This is exactly the point of the upcoming tribunal, some people think he left, some think he was forced out i.e constructive dismissal.
It will be interesting to hear both sides of the story.
So GH has spent £30m in 7 months compared to MONs £70m in 4 years.
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I guess it might be that some, such as myself, don't see it as 'being left in the shit'.
He walked out five days before the season started, taking every member of the first team coaching staff with him. A more exact definition of "being left in the shit" I defy anyone to make.
This is exactly the point of the upcoming tribunal, some people think he left, some think he was forced out i.e constructive dismissal.
It will be interesting to hear both sides of the story.
So GH has spent £30m in 7 months compared to MONs £70m in 4 years.
Just about sums it up.
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It's not about people speaking up about his record. It's excusing him for the shit he left us in, it's excusing him for the wages he spunked, it's blaming other people for him leaving. I wish he'd stayed, but then he'd decided he couldn't a shit about us. I find it strange how one or two are seemingly still in love with him.
I guess it might be that some, such as myself, don't see it as 'being left in the shit'.
Me neither. It's not as if he got rid of 3 or 4 players during the summer, then decided to fuck off leaving 2 weeks for the new man to bring in replacements. The only player who left before he walked was Nicky Shorey and if you go back to the 'Stephen Ireland Signs' thread (i'm sure there was one), the majority of us were in agreement that we'd got a good side of the deal. How wrong we all were.
The O'Neil haters can bleat on about him all they like, but i think in truth, what's cost us this season was the horrendous injury list and the shocking manager we eventually employed.
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What's cost us this season clampy is the manager leaving when he did, the long delay in replacing him, the manager who replaced him and the injury crisis- not one thing but a combination of all four.
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It's not about people speaking up about his record. It's excusing him for the shit he left us in, it's excusing him for the wages he spunked, it's blaming other people for him leaving. I wish he'd stayed, but then he'd decided he couldn't a shit about us. I find it strange how one or two are seemingly still in love with him.
I guess it might be that some, such as myself, don't see it as 'being left in the shit'. We had a good squad and are/were capable of much better that what we've seen this season, but the new manager has been a disaster - not his fault.
I don't blame anyone for him leaving other than Martin himself, but I do think the full reasons behind what happened are yet to be disclosed.
Just 1 question, If O'Neil left at the start of the last summer would we have Houiller?
Or would we have been able to get someone better?
His timing made sure that Houllier was the best we could get as no decent honourable person would ditch their club at that part of the season, so in response to your comment of it not being his fault, Yes it is his fault because if he did the right thing we wouldn't have Houllier incharge.
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MON has acted with "gross misconduct". If Sky pulled out of showing all the games allocated for the season five days before it started, they would be legally slaughtered ....
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MON has acted with "gross misconduct". If Sky pulled out of showing all the games allocated for the season five days before it started, they would be legally slaughtered ....
What a ridiculous comparison!
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MON has acted with "gross misconduct". If Sky pulled out of showing all the games allocated for the season five days before it started, they would be legally slaughtered ....
What a ridiculous comparison!
Seconded, what nonsense.
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What's cost us this season clampy is the manager leaving when he did, the long delay in replacing him, the manager who replaced him and the injury crisis- not one thing but a combination of all four.
What's cost us this season clampy is the manager leaving when he did, the long delay in replacing him, the manager who replaced him and the injury crisis- not one thing but a combination of all four.
That would be a fair enough summing up of it.
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Why has MON been specifically asked to attend this football thing going on?
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I dont think he has a strong case for constructive dismissal.
He became manager while Doug was running the show, ok everybody knew the change of ownership was on the cards but there is no way MON could or would claim he came to us with a guarantee of new owners. If Doug had stayed he would have had the corner shop budget for transfers and wages to players, and I think we can say more interference or at least `suggestions` about playing matters.
Let us assume the basis of him leaving was a tightening of the budget after his first 3 years with Randy as owner with him claiming this in effect altered the terms of his own employment. Lots of people in lots of jobs are having to alter the way they work because of new financial restraints and cut backs. I doubt we are going to see millions of workers being able to resign their jobs in both the private and public sector then claim constructive dismissal.
As I say he doesnt have a strong case, or he shouldnt have.
Unfortunately the tribunal will probably be a football tribunal, with modern footballs snout in the trough and everybody on the gravy traiin mentality, as opposed to a `real world` tribunal.
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MON has acted with "gross misconduct". If Sky pulled out of showing all the games allocated for the season five days before it started, they would be legally slaughtered ....
What a ridiculous comparison!
Seconded, what nonsense.
Look at the table and the enormity of MON decision on that day. Ye sky is world wide so the implications are world wide. But this is our club and it could become the single biggest disaster in decades for Aston Villa ..........
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It's not about people speaking up about his record. It's excusing him for the shit he left us in, it's excusing him for the wages he spunked, it's blaming other people for him leaving. I wish he'd stayed, but then he'd decided he couldn't a shit about us. I find it strange how one or two are seemingly still in love with him.
I guess it might be that some, such as myself, don't see it as 'being left in the shit'. We had a good squad and are/were capable of much better that what we've seen this season, but the new manager has been a disaster - not his fault.
I don't blame anyone for him leaving other than Martin himself, but I do think the full reasons behind what happened are yet to be disclosed.
Just 1 question, If O'Neil left at the start of the last summer would we have Houiller?
Or would we have been able to get someone better?
His timing made sure that Houllier was the best we could get as no decent honourable person would ditch their club at that part of the season, so in response to your comment of it not being his fault, Yes it is his fault because if he did the right thing we wouldn't have Houllier incharge.
That's a very good point.
Who thinks that, were MON to have left at the start of the summer, Houllier would have featured on any list drawn up by Lerner?
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MON knew exactly what he was doing when he resigned when he did and the confusion it would cause. To think otherwise is just naive.
For all the good he did at our club I'll remember him for what he is, a selfish, egotistical scab.
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MON knew exactly what he was doing when he resigned when he did and the confusion it would cause. To think otherwise is just naive.
For all the good he did at our club I'll remember him for what he is, a selfish, egotistical scab.
Spot on, Mr Kelly.
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I think had mon left last may we would probably have Mark Hughes here as he was available at the time.
Without knowing the exact reasons for mon walking out and what triggered his decision It seems many people have jumped to conclusions and reached a verdict - I prefer to wait for the tribunal and we may find out more details, there are two sides to every story.
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MON knew exactly what he was doing when he resigned when he did and the confusion it would cause. To think otherwise is just naive.
For all the good he did at our club I'll remember him for what he is, a selfish, egotistical scab.
Spot on, Mr Kelly.
No, I think you're letting personal feelings and irritation with the timing cloud your judgement.
Why would he want to drop players and coaches in it that he'd worked with for several years just because he'd had a row with Faulkner? We're at the same time supposed to believe that some of them are pissed off with Houllier because they were MON players. Surely, if he'd done that to them they'd be trying to show him that they don't need him.
I think it was just as it appeared at the time, a rash decision taken in a fit of pique.
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All this "he left us in the shit" is bollocks!
He left us at a terrible time and even if he had been told there were no more signings (until the 30 million at xmas ???) he still should have seen the season out. He had, after all, built the squad.
But lets be honest, when he left, how many thought we would be staring relegation in the face with 8 games left????
I think the general consensus was that we could kiss goodbye to a CL challenge and would struggle to maintain our Uefa Cup spot. (This would also have been the case had MON stayed and not signed anyone). Any talk of relegation at the time would have been emotional hyperbole.
A category of cock ups, lack of professionalism, misfortune and incompetence by board, new management and players is why we are in relegation zone.
The theory that MON somehow deviously scanned the managers out of work and thought "you know what, if I leave now, I bet they get Houllier" is completely ridiculous. So is the notion that he was the best option out there. As far as I recall we had a poll of about 15 managers and he didnt even make it on to it.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see what comes out of this tribunal/arbitration (which one is it by the way? 2 very different things)
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MON was always going to leave in a huff or when we least expected it - I never thought he'd ever qualify for a gold watch or a cushioned seat in the directors' box. The selling of Milner a few days later (and surprise, surprise his non replacement, unless you count this season's spectacular piece of transfer business that was Stephen Ireland) and revision of budgets were no coincidence. The timing iss certainly far from evidence of a Machavellian plot on MON's part to bring the club to its knees. Houllier's managed that very well by himself.
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All this "he left us in the shit" is bollocks!
He dropped us in it. It isn't entirely his fault we haven't got out of it.
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Milner went and the defence collapsed. I think there might have been a word or two expressed about mid-field exposure before MON went. Milner seems to be the lynchpin here that many posters return to. He went and so did MON.
Now we are Monless and still moaning.
So offer Mourinho £20m pa and give him £200m to sort it out and be done with it.
Reality says otherwise. MoN will sue and get a resukt and we'll moan and maybe dlame himn for ending up in Championship..I hope not but we'll still moan..
Missed opportunities?
What is AV after and where is football going?
1958/1981 where are you?...lost in mists of future beckoning?
European Cup whereareyou? Fa cup..League Cup? any effing cup?
If we get back to the heights it will be without Houllier, and probably a couple of more disposable coaches/managers and tech directors... I hope I am still around then but I suspect otherwise.
Roll on 2020 season
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I don't blame anyone for him leaving other than Martin himself, but I do think the full reasons behind what happened are yet to be disclosed.
So leaving the club with no coaching staff 5 days before the season kicked off after having had several talks and agreements with the management about continuing in the job, is a), not his fault and b) of no detriment to the club or our season ?
Dear me, how sad is that.
Seriously, is it a comprehension issue you have or do you just like to quote people and that make out they've said something different for a laugh?
1. It was Martin's decision to walk and his alone. The blame for the damage that then did to our season is his and his alone to shoulder, but I think that damage is largely exagerated by some on here.
2. The reason WHY he left is still largely unknown, but seems to be what both sides said - a breakdown in the working relationship over the wagebill. That is likely the fault of both parties, and by that I mean Martin and Faulkner.
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the guy's an embarrassment frankly, the way he uses the legal system everytime things don't go his way - no better than those ambulance chasers on the telly. no doubt he's using some frivilous argument about constructive dismissal. I wouldn't be surprised if he claims the general was undermining him on here. Let him have his day in the papers - the loser gets to keep Ireland.
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Who thinks that, were MON to have left at the start of the summer, Houllier would have featured on any list drawn up by Lerner?
Just 1 question, If O'Neil left at the start of the last summer would we have Houiller?
In answer to you both, lets not forget that the board did not 'target' anyone and instead waited to see who would apply. So what makes you think any of the managers in a job at the time, like Jol, would have applied? The only free agent in May 2010 that was tied up when he walked was Hughes, who personally I wouldn't have wanted.
I don't like having a pop at Randy as I think he's been great for us, but not only the appointment he made, but also the process they undertook to find him, was a bit of a farce. That more than the timing was why we got Houllier.
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Who thinks that, were MON to have left at the start of the summer, Houllier would have featured on any list drawn up by Lerner?
Just 1 question, If O'Neil left at the start of the last summer would we have Houiller?
In answer to you both, lets not forget that the board did not 'target' anyone and instead waited to see who would apply. So what makes you think any of the managers in a job at the time, like Jol, would have applied? The only free agent in May 2010 that was tied up when he walked was Hughes, who personally I wouldn't have wanted.
I don't like having a pop at Randy as I think he's been great for us, but not only the appointment he made, but also the process they undertook to find him, was a bit of a farce. That more than the timing was why we got Houllier.
There was a lot of difference between being 'available' in May and available in mid-August. Would you want the kind of man who would leave his club in the same circumstances as O'Neill left us?
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There was a lot of difference between being 'available' in May and available in mid-August. Would you want the kind of man who would leave his club in the same circumstances as O'Neill left us?
I many respects no, but did what Leicester fans thought of Sir Brian at the time mean he was any less of a manager for us?
Football is a cut throat business and we needed to be ruthless. I said at the time that despite what happened with Fulham earlier that summer, Jol would have been very tempted by the job and we should have gone for him. Not waited for him to apply, but hired am agent/head hunter and gone in strong with a compensation package for Ajax and a bumper contract/transfer budget for the man himself.
MON's timing should have cost us money, not potential relegation
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There was a lot of difference between being 'available' in May and available in mid-August. Would you want the kind of man who would leave his club in the same circumstances as O'Neill left us?
I many respects no, but did what Leicester fans thought of Sir Brian at the time mean he was any less of a manager for us?
Football is a cut throat business and we needed to be ruthless. I said at the time that despite what happened with Fulham earlier that summer, Jol would have been very tempted by the job and we should have gone for him. Not waited for him to apply, but hired am agent/head hunter and gone in strong with a compensation package for Ajax and a bumper contract/transfer budget for the man himself.
MON's timing should have cost us money, not potential relegation
So what job did Martin O'Neill leave us for? There's a difference between walking out at the start of the season and taking a job in November - espcially when every supporter at your current club knows it's your destiny. It's a bit like if, say, Alan Shearer was manager of a mid-ranking Premier League club. He does well, he goes to Newcastle in due course. That would be no great surprise whenever it happened.
Jol said at the time that he wanted to see how things panned out with Ajax.
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i think his actions stabbing Avran grant in the back and then running off when it was made public, shows him leaving when he did was not coincidence or bad timing.
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If it suits a club they'll get rid ofv a manager at the drop of a hat, indeed many on here call for them to be sacked as soon as they have a few bad results. It seems a little unreasonable to not accept that a manger also has the right to go when he wants to.
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If it suits a club they'll get rid ofv a manager at the drop of a hat, indeed many on here call for them to be sacked as soon as they have a few bad results. It seems a little unreasonable to not accept that a manger also has the right to go when he wants to.
Managers who get sacked usually get well compensated. They don't fuck off then try to screw every last penny.
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i think his actions stabbing Avran grant in the back and then running off when it was made public, shows him leaving when he did was not coincidence or bad timing.
Even I am prepared to admit that that one was a bit far fetched, Greg.
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thats true chris but then they don't normally then come back and try and sponge some money off you. I mean he had the idea contract anyway if the press are to be believed. 1 year rolling contract means any top job was available to him if they came in for him.
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In answer to you both, lets not forget that the board did not 'target' anyone and instead waited to see who would apply. So what makes you think any of the managers in a job at the time, like Jol, would have applied? The only free agent in May 2010 that was tied up when he walked was Hughes, who personally I wouldn't have wanted.
Totally wide of the mark.
For a start, Houllier said shortly after his appointment that he didn't apply for the job, and that Randy and Faulkner approached him.
Furthermore, surely you can see that, in May or June, if you're looking for a manager, it is much easier than it is in August, because by August, you're not just trying to convince a manager to join you, you're also convincing him to drop his current employer right in the shit.
Whether there were many people at the start of the summer who might have applied who you fancied the look of is neither here nor there.
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So what job did Martin O'Neill leave us for? There's a difference between walking out at the start of the season and taking a job in November - espcially when every supporter at your current club knows it's your destiny. It's a bit like if, say, Alan Shearer was manager of a mid-ranking Premier League club. He does well, he goes to Newcastle in due course. That would be no great surprise whenever it happened.
Jol said at the time that he wanted to see how things panned out with Ajax.
Yes, there's a difference. But what greater impact could a manager leaving have, regardless of timing, than getting relegated, as Leicester were at the end of 94/95?
Jol said that when asked the question in a press conference as I recall - usual thing of 'what else could he say'?
But this isn't about Martin Jol in particular, but rather how we went about finding MON's replacement. It was a time to take swift and decisive action and we waited for K-Mac to decide what he wanted to do and who else applied. That is why we have who we do. I simply do not and never will agree with the argument that because of when MON left the best we could have done was Houllier.
Imagine that happened to one of our (at the time) competitor clubs, such as Spurs or Man City, would they have had any hang ups about poaching another teams manager?
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i think his actions stabbing Avran grant in the back and then running off when it was made public, shows him leaving when he did was not coincidence or bad timing.
Even I am prepared to admit that that one was a bit far fetched, Greg.
he threw a hissy fit, and this tribunal is just a continuance of that. If he was that upset with the manner of his departure he could have come out and set the record straight at the time. Surely he's not that governed by money that he'd keep stum all this time for the sake of a pay-off?
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thats true chris but then they don't normally then come back and try and sponge some money off you. I mean he had the idea contract anyway if the press are to be believed. 1 year rolling contract means any top job was available to him if they came in for him.
Funny, my understanding of "1 year rolling contract" is: each party has to give each other 1 year's notice if they wish to break the contract. It doesn't mean that either party is able to simply walk away (in theory).
The maximum MON can claim is for 12 months' salary, unless he is claiming for unfair dismissal. My memory is that he walked out on the club so I guess he's trying to make an unfair dismissal stick; not easy unless he has documented evidence that the club were undermining him.
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Furthermore, surely you can see that, in May or June, if you're looking for a manager, it is much easier than it is in August, because by August, you're not just trying to convince a manager to join you, you're also convincing him to drop his current employer right in the shit.
Of course it's harder, but does that mean that we lower our expectations or that have to work harder and fork out a larger compensation package?
We're in the harsh world of football were loyalty is only shown by the fans and money talks.
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So what job did Martin O'Neill leave us for? There's a difference between walking out at the start of the season and taking a job in November - espcially when every supporter at your current club knows it's your destiny. It's a bit like if, say, Alan Shearer was manager of a mid-ranking Premier League club. He does well, he goes to Newcastle in due course. That would be no great surprise whenever it happened.
Jol said at the time that he wanted to see how things panned out with Ajax.
Yes, there's a difference. But what greater impact could a manager leaving have, regardless of timing, than getting relegated, as Leicester were at the end of 94/95?
Jol said that when asked the question in a press conference as I recall - usual thing of 'what else could he say'?
But this isn't about Martin Jol in particular, but rather how we went about finding MON's replacement. It was a time to take swift and decisive action and we waited for K-Mac to decide what he wanted to do and who else applied. That is why we have who we do. I simply do not and never will agree with the argument that because of when MON left the best we could have done was Houllier.
Imagine that happened to one of our (at the time) competitor clubs, such as Spurs or Man City, would they have had any hang ups about poaching another teams manager?
I don't know, because the situation has never arisen before. The one thing they did wrong was to give KevMac every opportunity to prove himself up to the job, which may have been the wrong thing to do in hindsight but was done for the right reasons.
Little was always going to come to Villa, so Leicester would have been very daft not to have made plans for that eventuality and to have begun implementing them as soon as BFR was sacked. They were struggling thoughout that season so going down was no great surprise.
Jol was at Ajax, in the Champions League and a much higher-profile club than Villa. Had he been a success there he could have been in the frame for any job in Europe so it's hardly a shock that he decided to see what panned out there rather than joining us.
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thats true chris but then they don't normally then come back and try and sponge some money off you. I mean he had the idea contract anyway if the press are to be believed. 1 year rolling contract means any top job was available to him if they came in for him.
Funny, my understanding of "1 year rolling contract" is: each party has to give each other 1 year's notice if they wish to break the contract. It doesn't mean that either party is able to simply walk away (in theory).
The maximum MON can claim is for 12 months' salary, unless he is claiming for unfair dismissal. My memory is that he walked out on the club so I guess he's trying to make an unfair dismissal stick; not easy unless he has documented evidence that the club were undermining him.
yeah but as we know contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on, the reality was, if liverpool say came in for him they would have only have had to find 12months or so compensation - if he'd been on a 3 year contract then the cost would have been prohibitive.
As for the unfair dismissal, god knows what his angle is. As i said earlier i wouldn't be surprised if he goes after the General's or pelty's comments on here as evidence of being undermined by the board
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MON knew exactly what he was doing when he resigned when he did and the confusion it would cause. To think otherwise is just naive.
For all the good he did at our club I'll remember him for what he is, a selfish, egotistical scab.
Amen to that
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Yeah its all O'Neill's fault. Ashley Young and James Milner are sh!te.
.. and your point being?
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As for the unfair dismissal, god knows what his angle is. As i said earlier i wouldn't be surprised if he goes after the General's or pelty's comments on here as evidence of being undermined by the board
You know, if that is the case then I think he may actually have a valid point.
We've had numerous directives here about what we can and can't write on social network sites as it's something of a hot topic. I know I wouldn't like my boss, or members of his family, commenting on my performance on Facebook, for example.
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plenty of chairman or board members criticise the performance of the team if it plays badly John. I don't think the General ever over-stepped the mark in that respect. Pelty may have but then he's just a fan in reality with no influence or say and never pretended to speak for anyone.
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plenty of chairman or board members criticise the performance of the team if it plays badly John. I don't think the General ever over-stepped the mark in that respect. Pelty may have but then he's just a fan in reality with no influence or say and never pretended to speak for anyone.
I haven't, and am not going to, sifted through all their posts to see if they did overstep the line at any point. But I bet Martin and his lawyers will!
Anyway I'm not saying he's right, just that it's hard to see what the basis of his argument would be, bearing in mind he walked of his own accord, other than something of this nature.
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I think it would be pretty difficult for MON to make anything stick with the General's comments, as they struck me as being a reaction to the manner of MON's exit rather than a judgement upon the job he did.
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yep, john i reckon you're right with someone at litigious as MON. Have to admit when this all came out, it did cross my mind that the general's self-imposed silence at the time was not totally unconnected
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I think it would be pretty difficult for MON to make anything stick with the General's comments, as they struck me as being a reaction to the manner of MON's exit rather than a judgement upon the job he did.
Surely what is said after he goes can't be said to have a bearing on him leaving anyway?
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I can see the advantages to the club in giving out a one year rolling contract, because if they sack him they only need to pay one year's worth of contract.
But what are the advantages to MON in having such a contract, the only one I can think of is if Liverpool for example wanted him they would have only needed to pay one year's compensation.
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I can see the advantages to the club in giving out a one year rolling contract, because if they sack him they only need to pay one year's worth of contract.
But what are the advantages to MON in having such a contract, the only one I can think of is if Liverpool for example wanted him they would have only needed to pay one year's compensation.
It wasn't about the club giving out a rolling contract, MON has always worked on that basis, same at Celtic.
The main benefit to him is what you described in the second paragraph.
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i think his actions stabbing Avran grant in the back and then running off when it was made public, shows him leaving when he did was not coincidence or bad timing.
Even I am prepared to admit that that one was a bit far fetched, Greg.
It may be far fetched to say it "was not coincidence or bad timing" but it certainly says a lot about his character. Maybe Grant should have protested to the LMA.
In hindsight, the writing was on the wall in big flashing letters when MON went after the Liverpool job. I guess he never got over the disappointment.
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I think O'Neill always had a rolling contract on the "I'm an informal kind of guy, don't worry about it" mantra.
Of course now he's so relaxed about contracts he wants to sue the club for not buying him Aiden McGeady, Robbie Keane and a mansion made out of chocolate.
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i think his actions stabbing Avran grant in the back and then running off when it was made public, shows him leaving when he did was not coincidence or bad timing.
Even I am prepared to admit that that one was a bit far fetched, Greg.
It may be far fetched to say it "was not coincidence or bad timing" but it certainly says a lot about his character. Maybe Grant should have protested to the LMA.
In hindsight, the writing was on the wall in big flashing letters when MON went after the Liverpool job. I guess he never got over the disappointment.
Come on...all this stuff about managers not acting honourably if they put themselves in line for a job when a manager is already there is a load of rubbish. That's football. It probably happens a lot more regularly than we hear about. Swings and roundabouts.
All in the game, yo. All in the game.
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i think his actions stabbing Avran grant in the back and then running off when it was made public, shows him leaving when he did was not coincidence or bad timing.
Even I am prepared to admit that that one was a bit far fetched, Greg.
It may be far fetched to say it "was not coincidence or bad timing" but it certainly says a lot about his character. Maybe Grant should have protested to the LMA.
Isn't is more or less accepted that the whole "O'Neill to West Ham" story was made-up by an idiot from Sky Sports?
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i think his actions stabbing Avran grant in the back and then running off when it was made public, shows him leaving when he did was not coincidence or bad timing.
Even I am prepared to admit that that one was a bit far fetched, Greg.
It may be far fetched to say it "was not coincidence or bad timing" but it certainly says a lot about his character. Maybe Grant should have protested to the LMA.
Isn't is more or less accepted that the whole "O'Neill to West Ham" story was made-up by an idiot from Sky Sports?
where's the writ then? this is a guy who sues and wins over even the slightest misrepresentation in the media . I would have thought stories basically accusing him of discussing taking over a job which is still occupied would have had his legal team threatening to sue left right and centre
If it wasn't true that is........
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It takes time to prepare a brief when you have been libelled/slandered.
It was only a couple of weeks ago that he went to the high court over those claims that were made about him pursuing the Liverpool job, claims that have been treated as fact on here during all that time.
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It takes time to prepare a briefwhen you have been libelled/slandered.
Looks like you've made your mind up on it, though.
I bet that didn't take long.
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Not sure where to put this but looks like he'll be back soon
http://http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,12606_6885792,00.html
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Not sure where to put this but looks like he'll be back soon
http://http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,12606_6885792,00.html
And good luck to him when he does.
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tosser.
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Sunderland bound ( If they stay up ) Although they'd have to pay Bruce off who has recently renewed contract before they went shit
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Looks like he's had a hair transplant. I always thought he dyed his hair at Villa but that looks like a rug.
Sunderland or Blackburn is my guess.
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Who?
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It takes time to prepare a brief when you have been libelled/slandered.
It was only a couple of weeks ago that he went to the high court over those claims that were made about him pursuing the Liverpool job, claims that have been treated as fact on here during all that time.
Still no sign.....
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It takes time to prepare a brief when you have been libelled/slandered.
It was only a couple of weeks ago that he went to the high court over those claims that were made about him pursuing the Liverpool job, claims that have been treated as fact on here during all that time.
Still no sign.....
..of what?
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Had some supposed ITK the other day. Apparently Petrov's best mate was saying that MON's got a Premier League job and wants Stan to join him in the summer.
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Just seeing him in that video makes you want to punch the little fuckers lights out !!
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Smug fucker
Spain is a two horse race? What's the premier league then? Either Man U or Chelsea
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Like a turd that won't flush...
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Looks like he's had a hair transplant. I always thought he dyed his hair at Villa but that looks like a rug.
I agree, thought the same.
Sunderland or Blackburn is my guess.
Yep.
He'll never get a bigger job than Villa.
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I'd still like to know his reasons for walking out at such a completely inopportune time.
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It takes time to prepare a brief when you have been libelled/slandered.
It was only a couple of weeks ago that he went to the high court over those claims that were made about him pursuing the Liverpool job, claims that have been treated as fact on here during all that time.
Still no sign.....
..of what?
The libel cases had he not been up for the West Ham job.
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It takes time to prepare a brief when you have been libelled/slandered.
It was only a couple of weeks ago that he went to the high court over those claims that were made about him pursuing the Liverpool job, claims that have been treated as fact on here during all that time.
Still no sign.....
..of what?
The libel cases had he not been up for the West Ham job.
Were you one of the people on here who insisted he had been in talks with Liverpool when he was the Villa manager? That's the one he is suing over.
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Were you one of the people on here who insisted he had been in talks with Liverpool when he was the Villa manager? That's the one he is suing over.
I think the suggestion on here was that he was desperate to get the Liverpool job, but didn't.
That's rather different from "in talks with Liverpool"
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Were you one of the people on here who insisted he had been in talks with Liverpool when he was the Villa manager? That's the one he is suing over.
I think the suggestion on here was that he was desperate to get the Liverpool job, but didn't.
That's rather different from "in talks with Liverpool"
Did he apply?
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Were you one of the people on here who insisted he had been in talks with Liverpool when he was the Villa manager? That's the one he is suing over.
I think the suggestion on here was that he was desperate to get the Liverpool job, but didn't.
That's rather different from "in talks with Liverpool"
Did he apply?
I've no idea.
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Were you one of the people on here who insisted he had been in talks with Liverpool when he was the Villa manager? That's the one he is suing over.
I think the suggestion on here was that he was desperate to get the Liverpool job, but didn't.
That's rather different from "in talks with Liverpool"
Did he apply?
I've no idea.
Was he desperate to get the Liverpool job?
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Were you one of the people on here who insisted he had been in talks with Liverpool when he was the Villa manager? That's the one he is suing over.
I think the suggestion on here was that he was desperate to get the Liverpool job, but didn't.
That's rather different from "in talks with Liverpool"
Did he apply?
I've no idea.
Was he desperate to get the Liverpool job?
I don't know. What do you think?
I recall one of the players saying that he almost got it at the end of last season. so it's not beyond the realms of possibility.
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And also some players also mentioned it in interviews, I think Bannan was one of them
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What the blood clart is this all about, quotefans?
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Were you one of the people on here who insisted he had been in talks with Liverpool when he was the Villa manager? That's the one he is suing over.
I think the suggestion on here was that he was desperate to get the Liverpool job, but didn't.
That's rather different from "in talks with Liverpool"
Did he apply?
I've no idea.
Was he desperate to get the Liverpool job?
I don't know. What do you think?
I recall one of the players saying that he almost got it at the end of last season. so it's not beyond the realms of possibility.
and that's the reason why it is important to not let people slander and libel with impunity
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Were you one of the people on here who insisted he had been in talks with Liverpool when he was the Villa manager? That's the one he is suing over.
I think the suggestion on here was that he was desperate to get the Liverpool job, but didn't.
That's rather different from "in talks with Liverpool"
Did he apply?
I've no idea.
Was he desperate to get the Liverpool job?
I don't know. What do you think?
I recall one of the players saying that he almost got it at the end of last season. so it's not beyond the realms of possibility.
and that's the reason why it is important to not let people slander and libel with impunity
Thanks for the legal heads up, there, but then again, i hadn't suggested anything to the contrary, rather I pointed out that your reference to people saying he'd "been in talks with Liverpool" didn't reflect what people were actually saying, which was that he'd been desperate to get the Liverpool job.
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Lets wait to see what the courts decide.
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Were you one of the people on here who insisted he had been in talks with Liverpool when he was the Villa manager? That's the one he is suing over.
I think the suggestion on here was that he was desperate to get the Liverpool job, but didn't.
That's rather different from "in talks with Liverpool"
Did he apply?
I've no idea.
I thought that saying he didn't get it implied he applied.
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Were you one of the people on here who insisted he had been in talks with Liverpool when he was the Villa manager? That's the one he is suing over.
I think the suggestion on here was that he was desperate to get the Liverpool job, but didn't.
That's rather different from "in talks with Liverpool"
Did he apply?
I've no idea.
I thought that saying he didn't get it implied he applied.
Not necessarily.
The point is, though, saying he wanted the Liverpool job is one thing, saying that he didn't get it because talks broke down is quite another.
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You don't really consider that someone 'didn't get' a particular job unless they apply for it though, do you?
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Hang on! What's all this about the Liverpool job?!?
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You don't really consider that someone 'didn't get' a particular job unless they apply for it though, do you?
Entirely irrelevant. What I think re whether he applied for the job or not has nothing to do with the question at hand.
As I said initially to Villadawg, and subsequently to you, there is a considerable difference between these two statements:
"Martin really wanted the Liverpool job"
and
"Martin was in talks with Liverpool about their manager's job"
because the latter of the two implies he's in breach of contract, for a start, and I suspect that's what he's suing the Mirror about. It'd be interesting, though, if footballers and managers took the opinion that they're the same thing, as there would be tens of valid causes for libel claims in the newspapers every day.
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You don't really consider that someone 'didn't get' a particular job unless they apply for it though, do you?
Entirely irrelevant. What I think re whether he applied for the job or not has nothing to do with the question at hand.
I only asked. It was the way you worded it that made me think you knew something.
Now you've cleared that up I must say I was absolutely heart-broken I 'didn't get' the job auditioning potential starlets for 'Barely Legal Black Chicks'. Maybe I should have applied.
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You don't really consider that someone 'didn't get' a particular job unless they apply for it though, do you?
Entirely irrelevant. What I think re whether he applied for the job or not has nothing to do with the question at hand.
I only asked. It was the way you worded it that made me think you knew something.
Now you've cleared that up I must say I was absolutely heart-broken I 'didn't get' the job auditioning potential starlets for 'Barely Legal Black Chicks'. Maybe I should have applied.
I am desperate to replace Steve Jobs at Apple (have you seen the look of him, he looks ready to go), and have written to them to tell them this.
When do talks start?
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You don't really consider that someone 'didn't get' a particular job unless they apply for it though, do you?
Entirely irrelevant. What I think re whether he applied for the job or not has nothing to do with the question at hand.
I only asked. It was the way you worded it that made me think you knew something.
Now you've cleared that up I must say I was absolutely heart-broken I 'didn't get' the job auditioning potential starlets for 'Barely Legal Black Chicks'. Maybe I should have applied.
I am desperate to replace Steve Jobs at Apple (have you seen the look of him, he looks ready to go), and have written to them to tell them this.
When do talks start?
Don't know, but only after they've recieved and read your application will they let you know that you didn't get it. (Or maybe you will, I won't underestimate you).
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They will invite Paulie over for an interview.......... so he can be arrested when he sets foot on USA soil for being a gambling website overlord.
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You don't really consider that someone 'didn't get' a particular job unless they apply for it though, do you?
Entirely irrelevant. What I think re whether he applied for the job or not has nothing to do with the question at hand.
I only asked. It was the way you worded it that made me think you knew something.
Now you've cleared that up I must say I was absolutely heart-broken I 'didn't get' the job auditioning potential starlets for 'Barely Legal Black Chicks'. Maybe I should have applied.
I am desperate to replace Steve Jobs at Apple (have you seen the look of him, he looks ready to go), and have written to them to tell them this.
When do talks start?
Don't know, but only after they've recieved and read your application will they let you know that you didn't get it. (Or maybe you will, I won't underestimate you).
If in six months, I'm posting on here at the usual times, and not posting stuff like "does anyone know where I can watch the derby match in Cupertino?", it is safe to assume that I didn't get it.
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They will invite Paulie over for an interview.......... so he can be arrested when he sets foot on USA soil for being a gambling website overlord.
Ha ha.
*burns letter*
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I am desperate to replace Steve Jobs at Apple (have you seen the look of him, he looks ready to go), and have written to them to tell them this.
Apparently his epitaph will be iDied.
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I am desperate to replace Steve Jobs at Apple (have you seen the look of him, he looks ready to go), and have written to them to tell them this.
Apparently his epitaph will be iDied.
<Pocketed for Celebrity Deathwatch thread in 4 weeks time>
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More than slightly off topic, MON I have no time for, Martin Allen is either insane or perhaps trying to hard to be so...
http://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10426~2342723,00.html
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You don't really consider that someone 'didn't get' a particular job unless they apply for it though, do you?
Entirely irrelevant. What I think re whether he applied for the job or not has nothing to do with the question at hand.
I only asked. It was the way you worded it that made me think you knew something.
Now you've cleared that up I must say I was absolutely heart-broken I 'didn't get' the job auditioning potential starlets for 'Barely Legal Black Chicks'. Maybe I should have applied.
I am desperate to replace Steve Jobs at Apple (have you seen the look of him, he looks ready to go), and have written to them to tell them this.
When do talks start?
Don't know, but only after they've recieved and read your application will they let you know that you didn't get it. (Or maybe you will, I won't underestimate you).
If in six months, I'm posting on here at the usual times, and not posting stuff like "does anyone know where I can watch the derby match in Cupertino?", it is safe to assume that I didn't get it.
As intriguing as you're petty battle has been, your last comment smells of "I know you are, but what am I?". Could you not come up with something a little more entertaining than that for everyone reading?
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Sorry, will try harder next time. Thanks for finding it intriguing though.
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More than slightly off topic, MON I have no time for, Martin Allen is either insane or perhaps trying to hard to be so...
http://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10426~2342723,00.html
Bloody Hell.
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Hang on! What's all this about the Liverpool job?!?
He went for the Manager's job at Red Scouse. It all become unraveled for him when their chairman called Randy to negotiate a compensation package as the Liverpool board were under the impression that MoN had told Randy he was in talks. Randy explodes as this is all news to him. Tells Liverpool to fuck off. Puts O'Neil on gardening leave.
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Allegedly.
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And not true.
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My inside info's higher up than yours, Dave. Trust me on that. And I know where you get most of yours.
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Good for you. I wish I could be as important as you obviously are.
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Oh, I'm nae important, Dave. Just got my ear to the right door.
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i'm very pleased for you.
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Hang on! What's all this about the Liverpool job?!?
He went for the Manager's job at Red Scouse. It all become unraveled for him when their chairman called Randy to negotiate a compensation package as the Liverpool board were under the impression that MoN had told Randy he was in talks. Randy explodes as this is all news to him. Tells Liverpool to fuck off. Puts O'Neil on gardening leave.
Sorry Troy..I dont buy that.
I dont believe for one minute Liverpool would contact Randy without prior permission from MON. Surely the job discussions would of been confidential? O'Neill was still under contract to us.
Not trying to discredit your ITK Troy, just dont see business being conducted at that level in that manner.
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More than slightly off topic, MON I have no time for, Martin Allen is either insane or perhaps trying to hard to be so...
http://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10426~2342723,00.html
Bloody Hell.
Great read but the only problem with that kind of article is you can only play it once. Good luck to him though.
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I notice the press are still saying he lined himself up for the west ham job behind Grant's back so they've obviously not recieved any letters in the post from his lawyers..Sueing for the Liverpool rumour seems a bit bizarre really if its all about reputation as its already in tatters.
or maybe its all about the money and he's knows the press can't prove the Liverpool rumour
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I wonder id he'll call King Kenny as awitness? Doubt it.
Now back to making my 'SCAB' banner for next season's return.
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Where do we goo from here?
Sixth back then wasn't good enough.
Now we're better off with a French sea change.
So with millions and a new manager we'll do even better?
Roll on the new butcher's dog?
Mourinho plus an unlimited budget perhaps?
Love that dream but it is a dream post recent nightmare.
GH was doing well and can do better given the chance.
I hope he recovers and can do more next season.
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In all the time I've followed Villa I've never known a subject like this one, one that has everyone jumping to conclusions, flying off the handle, believing everything they hear, putting two and two together and making 589 and making up stories to suit their point of view.
And I would wager that after the LMA case or whatever it is (see I'm at it now), we still won't know the truth.
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More than slightly off topic, MON I have no time for, Martin Allen is either insane or perhaps trying to hard to be so...
http://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10426~2342723,00.html
Bloody Hell.
Top Man!
Top Girl!
Top Lads!
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And I would wager that after the LMA case or whatever it is (see I'm at it now), we still won't know the truth.
I think you may be right. The conspiracy theorists will believe what they want to believe. As one of my more inspirational bosses often says, it's all about perception.
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More than slightly off topic, MON I have no time for, Martin Allen is either insane or perhaps trying to hard to be so...
http://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10426~2342723,00.html
Bloody Hell.
Top Man!
Top Girl!
Top Lads!
"I am trying to find somewhere to kip... If you know anyone, it's for me and my dog Monty who is a very good boy. I need somewhere, preferably on the south side of Nottingham to kip, have a bit of food maybe and kind of be a dosser who will keep himself to himself... If anyone can help, please contact the club."
I love him, that is pure gold.