Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: wozwebs on March 11, 2011, 11:56:29 PM
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Just what we need
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/mar/11/aston-villa-investigation-players-confrontation?
Aston Villa's troubles on and off the pitch show no sign of coming to an end, with the news that two of the club's players have become involved in a heated exchange during a team-bonding exercise. It is understood that the players had been drinking and, although there is no suggestion that punches were thrown, it is a measure of how seriously Villa view the incident that they have launched an internal investigation.
It is just about the last thing the club's manager, Gérard Houllier, needs at a time when Villa are in a relegation battle and when unrest among the club's supporters is festering, after the Frenchman's controversial decision to field a weakened team in an FA Cup fifth-round tie against Manchester City last week. Houllier has strong views on how players should conduct themselves and he will be particularly disappointed that two members of his squad have behaved so badly, especially at an event that was organised to boost morale.
With no fixture this weekend, Houllier decided to take the players away to a luxury hotel and spa in Leicestershire, in midweek, for a change of scenery and to improve team spirit. The players took part in a paintballing exercise during the day but in the evening things threatened to get out of hand when, after dinner and out of sight of the public, two of the squad became involved in a heated row.
A source said: "Two players who were pissed up had a frank exchange of views."
Houllier was present during the day but travelled to London, with Gary McAllister, his assistant, to watch Tottenham Hotspur play Milan in the Champions League in the evening. He was made aware of the confrontation, which the club will investigate before deciding whether to take disciplinary action.
"The club is aware that there has been an incident," a Villa spokesman said. "We have launched an investigation in line with our internal disciplinary procedures."
Villa have had several off-the-field issues this season. The striker John Carew, who is now on loan at Stoke, had a disagreement with Houllier in November; Richard Dunne clashed with McAllister on the training ground in December and was dropped from the starting team; and Stephen Ireland – currently on loan at Newcastle – Stephen Warnock and Habib Beye have also fallen out with Houllier.
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Probably bullshit or at the very most over-exaggerated.
The scary thing, however, is how believable it is.
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Seems like its being kept very much in-house. If drink was involved then I bet that neither player is feeling particularly proud of themselves over what they said to each other. Don't think its much to worry about really.
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Argument between two people under the influence... wow, to turn that into club in crises is really a huge leap. Unless forks were used I really think this is a non story.
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Wow, an argument. The club goes into meltdown.
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Must have been Carew
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On the plus side at least it means we're in for Ibrahimovic.
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One minute its paintballing and spa massages together, and the next is drunken bust up. Its the last thing we need right now.
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One player was Emile and when they say no punches were thrown he could well have done, but as it missed by miles they thought he was just stretching his arm. The other player was Ashley Young who fell over anyway, even though no-one was standing within 10 yards of him.
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i reckon it was gabby and a mirror.
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Hopefully not Ash playing Billy big bollocks amd talking down to people. A hissy fit after being told he's off penalties?
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Richard Dunne + ?
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I think someone at the club could have found somewhere better for the players to have their mid week piss up than some hotel in boring Leicestershire.
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Nothing story really- a few raised words after a few drinks , hardly a major deal.
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The players were pissed up? Sounds like a reliable source
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A few beers and handbags maybe exactly what they needed
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We all know the press pay people to make stuff up!
I wonder what action GH will take being an Ex teacher? 100 lines? Standing in the corner or staying behind after training?
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I'm not worried if it is true typical friday out with the lads then make up and everything's rosy in the garden again.
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I wonder what action GH will take being an Ex teacher? 100 lines?
I must not drink beer and punch team mates when away on team bonding exercises.
I must not drink beer and punch team mates when away on team bonding exercises.
I must not drink beer and punch team mates when away on team bonding exercises.
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If it was at the Stapleford Park Hotel, I'll try an get a little more info...
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I think someone at the club could have found somewhere better for the players to have their mid week piss up than some hotel in boring Leicestershire.
Less of that! Leicestershire is great it has ............................................................................... Give me 5 minutes i'll think of something!
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I think someone at the club could have found somewhere better for the players to have their mid week piss up than some hotel in boring Leicestershire.
Less of that! Leicestershire is great it has ............................................................................... Give me 5 minutes i'll think of something!
Coalville?
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I think someone at the club could have found somewhere better for the players to have their mid week piss up than some hotel in boring Leicestershire.
Less of that! Leicestershire is great it has ............................................................................... Give me 5 minutes i'll think of something!
Coalville?
Try again. ;)
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If it was someone telling Friedel that coming and getting a corner might help us out a bit then I hope the message got home. Or Dunne/ Collins/ Clark being told that the idea is to get to the ball first when a cross comes in is a mandatory quality requirement of a central defender then it would be nice!
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I think someone at the club could have found somewhere better for the players to have their mid week piss up than some hotel in boring Leicestershire.
Less of that! Leicestershire is great it has ............................................................................... Give me 5 minutes i'll think of something!
Coalville?
With his old Leicestershire connections, I suspect the hidden hand of our arch enemy O`Neill involved somewhere.
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It's made the French media: http://sports.orange.fr/breves/football/201110/aston-villa-bagarre-entre-deux-joueurs-_315212.html?popup
Aston Villa: Bagarre entre deux joueurs ?
Rien ne va plus à Aston Villa. Alors que le club de Gérard Houllier, 13e de Premier League à deux points de la zone rouge, se bat pour son maintien, le manager français avait décidé de mettre ses titulaires à l'écart pour le match de Cup contre City ce week-end, pour les faire réagir. Sauf que le Guardian rapporte que durant la mise au vert dans un luxueux hôtel spa du Leicestershire, après une partie de paintball et un dîner visiblement trop arrosé, deux joueurs, dont les noms ne sont pas connus, auraient eu une altercation dans la soirée. On a connu mieux pour resouder une équipe... De plus, ce n'est pas les premiers soucis que les Villans connaissent en interne, John Carew, prêté depuis à Stoke, Stephen Warnock et Habib Beye ont eu des problèmes avec Houllier, tandis que Richard Dunne a perdu sa place de titulaire après un clash avec l'assistant du Français Gary McAllister.
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Not sure I've ever read such a non story in my life
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Have reporters never played football at any level? Have reporters never been out with a load of lads for a few and never had a row of some kind?
Daft story. We have arguments (sometimes quite heated) at work all the time and that is without a drink.
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It's made the French media: http://sports.orange.fr/breves/football/201110/aston-villa-bagarre-entre-deux-joueurs-_315212.html?popup
Aston Villa: Bagarre entre deux joueurs ?
Rien ne va plus à Aston Villa. Alors que le club de Gérard Houllier, 13e de Premier League à deux points de la zone rouge, se bat pour son maintien, le manager français avait décidé de mettre ses titulaires à l'écart pour le match de Cup contre City ce week-end, pour les faire réagir. Sauf que le Guardian rapporte que durant la mise au vert dans un luxueux hôtel spa du Leicestershire, après une partie de paintball et un dîner visiblement trop arrosé, deux joueurs, dont les noms ne sont pas connus, auraient eu une altercation dans la soirée. On a connu mieux pour resouder une équipe... De plus, ce n'est pas les premiers soucis que les Villans connaissent en interne, John Carew, prêté depuis à Stoke, Stephen Warnock et Habib Beye ont eu des problèmes avec Houllier, tandis que Richard Dunne a perdu sa place de titulaire après un clash avec l'assistant du Français Gary McAllister.
Le Gaffeur ! Sacre Bleu !
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Since Houllier's come in it's really highlighted the lack of professionalism among certain players at the club. It does make you wonder if the lack of consistency and inability to put away some of the poorer sides was inpart affected by the seemingly bad attitude amongst some of the senior players.
I know some players are capable of having a pint and still being great, hell we should know it better than most. But the likes of Bale, Defoe and Dawson were all known to drink a fair bit before Redknapp took over and banned it there.
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It's made the French media: http://sports.orange.fr/breves/football/201110/aston-villa-bagarre-entre-deux-joueurs-_315212.html?popup
Aston Villa: Bagarre entre deux joueurs ?
Rien ne va plus à Aston Villa. Alors que le club de Gérard Houllier, 13e de Premier League à deux points de la zone rouge, se bat pour son maintien, le manager français avait décidé de mettre ses titulaires à l'écart pour le match de Cup contre City ce week-end, pour les faire réagir.
Two points off "la zone rouge". I quite like that, it doesn't sound half as bad as "being relegated".
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Slow sports news day I presume.
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There's a Champneys place in Leicestershire, and if it was there and there was excess drink, they'd have had to take their own. You can buy a bottle of wine to have with your evening meal, but that's about it.
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Reo-COker would have been one And I'll go for either Warnock or ASh for the other.
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It's made the French media: http://sports.orange.fr/breves/football/201110/aston-villa-bagarre-entre-deux-joueurs-_315212.html?popup
Aston Villa: Bagarre entre deux joueurs ?
Rien ne va plus à Aston Villa. Alors que le club de Gérard Houllier, 13e de Premier League à deux points de la zone rouge, se bat pour son maintien, le manager français avait décidé de mettre ses titulaires à l'écart pour le match de Cup contre City ce week-end, pour les faire réagir.
Two points off "la zone rouge". I quite like that, it doesn't sound half as bad as "being relegated".
Zone rouge avec le baggies ! Your going zone rouge avec le baggies !
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I guess one of our piss taking players who haven't really delivered recently was given a dressing down by another player. I can picture Ash or NRC having a right go at Dunne or Petrov. Probably Petrov.
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I can certainly envisage NRC telling some that they need to put a bit more into it.
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I can certainly envisage NRC telling some that they need to put a bit more into it.
that's where my money's going. NRC might be limited in some of his skills but he certainly puts himself about. Of that players rumoured to be in the shop window, he's one I'd like to see stay. Anyway, as many have said a complete non story. A bit like the training ground bust up earlier in the year. Happens at every club, and for that matter in many workplaces I'm sure.
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Wasn't there rumours that NRC didn't get on with one of the players a couple of years ago - as such he wouldn't pass to him?
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NRC was the first one that came into my head too, but then I thought I remembered an interview where he said he didn't drink.
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Isn't Warnock supposed to be a bit of a bad influence in the dressing room?
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It's been said in a number of sources, but would he have been there?
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Probably not, Bob.
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What's the internet for if not for finding out information such as this.
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Drunk men in argument shocker!
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Wasn't there rumours that NRC didn't get on with one of the players a couple of years ago - as such he wouldn't pass to him?
Players that Reo Coker didn't pass to? Doesn't exactly narrow it down.
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Wasn't there rumours that NRC didn't get on with one of the players a couple of years ago - as such he wouldn't pass to him?
Players that Reo Coker didn't pass to? Doesn't exactly narrow it down.
Nice one!
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Wasn't there rumours that NRC didn't get on with one of the players a couple of years ago - as such he wouldn't pass to him?
Players that Reo Coker didn't pass to? Doesn't exactly narrow it down.
Made me chuckle
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So long as an environment is created where a team member could be earning £40k a week more than you, and where there are team members from many different nationalities/cultures/beliefs there will always be fall-outs and jealousies. Footballers are, apprarently, human.
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If it helps better understand the story, when you are bottom of the league in France you are the "red lantern" (lanterne rouge) but when you are second in the league, you are the "dolphin" (dauphin).
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I had a heated bust-up with my missus this morning. She was having a panic attack and on the verge of tears because, she said, she `couldn't cope with all these deadlines people keep putting on me.'
I said she had thirty seconds to get over it, at which point she took off her shoes and threw them at my head
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I had a heated bust-up with my missus this morning. She was having a panic attack and on the verge of tears because, she said, she `couldn't cope with all these deadlines people keep putting on me.'
I said she had thirty seconds to get over it, at which point she took off her shoes and threw them at my head
Isn't the technical term 'a frank exchange of views'?
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It way well have been over a sneaky extra hotel being slipped onto Mayfair while nobody was looking but my guess is that the schisms in the squad are exactly the same as on this site basically pro and anti O'Neill and pro and anti Houllier.
Therefore the most likely cause of the bust up was along those lines. The most pro O'Neill is almost certainly Petrov and the most pro Houllier is almost certainly Pires. If somebody tickled the soles of my feet with a turkey feather until I had to say who it was rucking in Leicestershire (Leicestershire?) I would dob in Stilian Petrov and Robert Pires.
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Not sure of that summation Brian.
Petrov -you would think- would have been one of MON's trusty lieutenants, but didn't offer any praise for the bloke after he left. He actually made pointed reference to enjoying training post- MON walk out, and playing different styles "not just counter attack."
Similarly, you'd think Pires having been signed by Houllier and being allowed to commute from London (despite other players being told to move house and relocate closer to Brum) would be the first one fighting his corner. But before the Sheff Utd cup game he was giving interviews in the French media openly saying a lot of players weren't onside with GH's methods and he probably only had two games to save his job. I don't think I've ever heard a player less supportive of his boss.
According to the Bulgarian lad who posts on here on occasion, Stan was one of the few players to actually agree with GH's approach to training from the outset.
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Wasn't there rumours that NRC didn't get on with one of the players a couple of years ago - as such he wouldn't pass to him?
Players that Reo Coker didn't pass to? Doesn't exactly narrow it down.
Complete urban myth
As for petrov, he was happy to see the back of MON
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Point taken Kevin but both players are clever enough to mask their prejudices.
Pires has got himself a sweetheart deal off Houllier and Petrov got a sweetheart deal off O'Neill. Petrov's enthusiasm for the training methods and Pires criticsm of Houllier are I would suggest like a loving wife throwing her shoes at the head of her loving husband. Just a little skirmish.
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Wasn't there rumours that NRC didn't get on with one of the players a couple of years ago - as such he wouldn't pass to him?
Players that Reo Coker didn't pass to? Doesn't exactly narrow it down.
Complete urban myth
As for petrov, he was happy to see the back of MON
That's all Petrov sees of anyone when they ghost past him at a rate of a slow-jog.
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Petrov's enthusiasm for the training methods and Pires criticsm of Houllier are I would suggest like a loving wife throwing her shoes at the head of her loving husband. Just a little skirmish.
Haha. Classic Green father and son double act.
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What's the story with the Villa players...normally after a few Wet's,you get banjoed,pick a row with your best mate,everyone joins in,the drinking parlour gets thrashed,landlord calls Z-cars,then its bobby's v drunks.......Does'nt sound like much of a piss up[bonding session]!
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It was Dunne and Collins according to the NOTW (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/notw/public/nol_public_news/1243001/Irish-centre-backs-days-are-numbered-under-Gerard-Houllier-after-stinging-attack.html?CMP=SOCjam_TW_NOTW)
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The headline is the giveaway....it states "villa players",where as if it was any of our top players the headline would have been "top villa players".......so i'm just working my way thru the squad and it becomes pretty apparent that they all were involved.
UPDATE........
If it was Collins/Dunne as reported by a top sunday rag,they could have been slagging each other about the Rugger game Wales v Ireland...probably Collins told Dunne that he would make a good Hooker...Dunne turned around and told him his bird was one....with that Collins floored Dunne with a right hook.....all over a game of egg chasing.
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Watch out if you are googling this for names. Avoid a site called 4700-Holte (or something like that) which is a blog from the USA. The current bit seems ok but when I went into some other posts the firewall on me laptop went ballistic and closed everything down. Big red notices about phishing and various trojians...oooh you have no idea. Think I cleaned it all out.
Also notices about identity theft. If 'Louzie0' starts posting about how wonderful David O'Leary was and we should ask him to come back, it's not me. OK?
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Can anyone copy the News of the Screws full article?
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Aston Villa duo Richard Dunne and James Collins apologise after bust up with backroom staff
Mar 13 2011 by Adam Aspinall, Sunday Mercury
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ASTON Villa have launched an inquiry after drunken players were involved in a bust-up with backroom staff at a posh spa resort.
Defenders Richard Dunne and James Collins face disciplinary action after tempers flared at the end of a two-day team bonding exercise at the exclusive Champneys Springs resort in rural Leicestershire.
Tensions rose after a day of paintballing when a verbal disagreement about coaching and tactics got out of hand.
"Two players who were p*****d up had, let’s say, a frank exchange of views," said a source. "There was an open bar which had been agreed by Gerard Houllier.
"They were having a bit of a go at the backroom boys. There was a disagreement with members of the coaching staff and both players have had to apologise."
Manager Gerard Houllier is thought to be dismayed at the players’ antics after a season in which his side have struggled in both league and cup competitions.
The excursion had been organised to boost club morale after a difficult season that has been fraught with tension.
(http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/sundaymercury/mar2011/1/0/james-collins-and-richard-dunne-222795591.jpg)
The players took part in a paintballing exercise during the day but in the evening things threatened to get out of hand when, after dinner and out of sight of the public, a heated row broke out.
Houllier had been present during the day, but had travelled with assistant manager Gary McAllister to watch Wednesday night’s clash between Spurs and AC Milan at White Hart Lane.
He was furious to learn that a few of his players had stepped out of line and has launched an immediate investigation.
The Frenchman takes a hard line when it comes to players’ behaviour and he will have been less than impressed at a time when he is still struggling to overcome the fallout from last week’s FA Cup loss against Manchester City.
Last night Richard Dunne said: "I apologise unreservedly for my behaviour on Wednesday night. It was not acceptable and I am genuinely sorry about what happened."
His apology was rapidly echoed by Collins, who said: "We were wrong. This should not have happened and I apologise for the part I played."
The incident is just the latest of several off-field issues the club have had to contend with this season after striker John Carew, who is now on loan at Stoke, had a disagreement with Houllier in November.
Defender Richard Dunne also clashed with McAllister on the training ground in December and was dropped from the starting team.
Flop signing Stephen Ireland – currently on loan at Newcastle – Stephen Warnock and Habib Beye have also fallen out with Houllier.
An Aston Villa spokesman denied that there had been any violence but said: "The club is aware there has been an incident. We have launched an investigation in line with our internal disciplinary procedures."
Last night the manager of Champney Springs confirmed an incident had taken place but refused to comment further.
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I may be imagining it, but were there not reports at the time that suggested Dunne was chucked out of Everton for being an alcoholic?
Apologies if I'm wrong. But if I'm not, it's a bit of a worry that he's getting pissed at club events.
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Aaaagh I bet they were arguing over wether we man mark or zonal
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There is a report on 'another' site that after the Wigan game they both hit the players lounge big time. Collins was also seen to leave the lounge with a couple of bottles of Magniers. Added to the fact he had abit of previous for being seen out in Mechu the night before a game last weeks events are not to much a shock.
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or that the bid was very optimistic and they should have gone for dummy ..bridge is so unforgiving
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When I played football the last thing we used to discuss when out on the piss was football. I know they're professionals but haven't they got better things to talk about?
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Good work lads, not content with letting us down on the pitch, our two most senior centre halves complete the full set off the pitch too.
Stick 'em both on ebay.
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If we were chasing Europe it wouldn't have even made the news. Would prefer if Houllier just laughed it off.
Collins and Dunne were a superb partnership last season. Not sure what has gone wrong with them both this season. Their conditioning particularly Dunne early on was a disgrace. Think Dunne has been decent enough since getting back into the team though. Both of them have the same fault as players, they try to win the ball at every opportunity when sometimes they would be better off holding their positions. looks like Clark will be first choice next season so I expect one of Cuellar, Collins and Dunne to leave in the summer.
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So it turns out it wasn't bullshit. What a fucking mess we're in, under-achieving players not believing in the new order. Summer 2011 is going to be a watershed for the future of the Villa.
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For goodness sakes. I thought they were just rumours! I wonder how the club is going to handle this.
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I've no problems with the lads having a few beers, it happens at ALL clubs.
Collins & Dunne are big lads and can I'd guess can handle their ale.
In a way its nice to see they have a bit of passion and are questioning some of the dubious tactics.
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At least they cared enough to have a row.
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And they've both swiftly apologised, move on
We certainly can't afford to be dropping either of them for Wolves
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Cuellar will be back for Wolves apparently. I'd pick him over both Collins and Dunne, drunken arguing or not.
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I'm in a different place P LImb, we will need to have Collins / Dunne in the middle to deal with the physicality of Doyle
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They're adults so can do what they like, but given Dunne's piss poor fitness this season he really could do with giving beer a miss, the fat twat.
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Collins probably said you wanna lay of the beer you fat twat.
He said you can talk you ginger twat..
Move on forget it, they certainly wont be the last players to fall out
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I'm in a different place P LImb, we will need to have Collins / Dunne in the middle to deal with the physicality of Doyle
Really? I think Cuellar can deal with this average stump.
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At least they cared enough to have a row.
Probably about how much a week they "steal" from us!
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I'm in a different place P LImb, we will need to have Collins / Dunne in the middle to deal with the physicality of Doyle
Really? I think Cuellar can deal with this average stump.
Didn't Carlos have a great game against them earlier this season ?
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Just to confirm, it was defenders v staff rather than Dunne v Collins. Is that the consensus?
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Am I missing something here ?
Players on thousands per week and the club arranges a "Free Bar"
Before the Wolves game Houllier should arrange a team hug and for Dunne and Collins to kiss and make up in front of the Holte - thats what I call team bonding!
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GH " I know lads we've got 2 weeks off, now where will we go? La Manga? Marbella? St.Tropez? ..................That's it i've got it................LEICESTERSHIRE...........
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So if GED and mac weren't there who were dunne and Collins having a go at ? Sid and keV mac maybe?
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Am I missing something here ?
Players on thousands per week and the club arranges a "Free Bar"
Before the Wolves game Houllier should arrange a team hug and for Dunne and Collins to kiss and make up in front of the Holte - thats what I call team bonding!
A trip to highlands with some cross country training would have been more appropriate for this under achieving bunch of spoilt brats.
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So if GED and mac weren't there who were dunne and Collins having a go at ? Sid and keV mac maybe?
Interesting point, that.
To be honest, I'd be less bothered if the two players involved were performing well for us. As it is, they're just not up to/for it in my opinion, and come the summer I'd replace the pair of them.
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I've been to that Champneys resort. There were lots of photographs of 'celebrity' guests - can't remember who, though Jimmy Saville springs to mind, mainly D list ones, including some footballers. If I ever go again, I'll expect to see photographs of Villa players.
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GH " I know lads we've got 2 weeks off, now where will we go? La Manga? Marbella? St.Tropez? ..................That's it i've got it................LEICESTERSHIRE...........
I don't think they deserve to go anywhere
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2 days in Leicestershire was their punishment
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GH " I know lads we've got 2 weeks off, now where will we go? La Manga? Marbella? St.Tropez? ..................That's it i've got it................LEICESTERSHIRE...........
I don't think they deserve to go anywhere
Agreed they should be practising defending set pieces
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I'm in a different place P LImb, we will need to have Collins / Dunne in the middle to deal with the physicality of Doyle
Really? I think Cuellar can deal with this average stump.
Didn't Carlos have a great game against them earlier this season ?
He was the best player on the pitch that day, and GH dropped him for the next game. It was the first of his cock up's.
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We are talking about highly paid adults here not some pimply teenagers. I don't agree with all this bonding bollocks they play football together nearly every week if they can't bond doing that there's something wrong. Supplying free grog is stupid when you have players that have a history of going overboard.
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Am I right in thinking they weren't actually arguing with each other? That's the impression I got anyway.
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Am I right in thinking they weren't actually arguing with each other? That's the impression I got anyway.
Its portrayed as Players (Collins/Dunne) vs Coaching staff
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Wonder if the coaching staff made an apt dig that if the pair of them carried out instruction given in training we might be in a better place league wise!
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I presume that with both GED and Gary mac away at the time of the row that Sid must have been in charge?
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I've been to that Champneys resort. There were lots of photographs of 'celebrity' guests - can't remember who, though Jimmy Saville springs to mind, mainly D list ones, including some footballers. If I ever go again, I'll expect to see photographs of Villa players.
How the other half live!
Anyway don't expect any pictures of our current crop as you said they have photographs of "celebrity guests".
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I can't help but think this stems from Houllier's comments on 'four year habits' and trying to change our marking system.
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I really am fed up of stories like this, there have been far too many this season. On its own it isn't that big a deal but on top of everything else it just adds to the impression of a club in turmoil.
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I really am fed up of stories like this, there have been far too many this season. On its own it isn't that big a deal but on top of everything else it just adds to the impression of a club in turmoil.
Looks to me like there's a rat in the camp.
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Sky should have resurrected 'Dream Team' for this season with Villa being Harchester. I wonder who has been shagging Linda Block/Carla King from Corrie.
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I agree, there does appear to be someone within Villa's inner circle that is leaking this rubbish. Like others have said the squad appears to be pretty divided by those who support the old regime and those that have bought into the new philosophy.
Just like on here the arguments for and against each case has merits, however we are fans we're allowed to discuss such topics. As paid professionals the players/staff should put aside their own opinions and all pull in the same direction for the good of Aston Villa.
I hope Houllier has the people skills to sort this out.
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Things seem more settled recently harmony wise, it could just as easily be a member of staff or visitor at the spa who leaked it, a few heated words doesn't warrant such coverage really, there were no punches thrown and it's best to move on .
I would however expect houllier maybe sees this as the final straw for dunne and maybe collins too and wouldn't be surprised if they were moved on in the summer.
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I really am fed up of stories like this, there have been far too many this season. On its own it isn't that big a deal but on top of everything else it just adds to the impression of a club in turmoil.
holy crap Chris. "Club in turmoil" is a bit much don't you think? Do I think GH rocked the boat a bit when he got here and put a few noses out of joint? Yes, and I think he needed to do that to some degree to impose his will on certain players. But we also have to accept that we view our club under a microscope, whereas none of us ever look at the details of any other club under that much scrutiny. It would be massively naive on our parts to believe that these things are in any way unique to us. In fact, this season has been one of extremes in many ways. Compared to some of the things that have happened quite publicly at Chelsea (too numerous to mention), Man U (Rooney, Ronaldo stories), Tottenham (lots of Redknapp stories), Liverpool (where do we start?), Arsenal (Wenger blow ups, Fabregas spitting, Adebayor) and so on, over the past number of years, what has happened to us this year is all very sedate by comparison.
I do agree with Risso that there might be an unwanted rat in the camp that leaks this stuff, and I would hope that he/she would be flushed out.
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I think getting pissed and having a blazing row can easily count as `team building.' If you go round thinking your work colleague is a clueless, lazy c*** but never tell them, that can be much worse.
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People seem to think Collins and dunne were arguing with each other but the argument was between them and the coaching staff , houllier and Gary mac were in London when it happened- a free bar was a tad silly in all honesty but 'club in turmoil' is way overreaction.
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club in turmoil, get a grip chris, get a grip. What would you be saying if 2 players got into a punch up and the manager decked them both I wonder.
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I really am fed up of stories like this, there have been far too many this season. On its own it isn't that big a deal but on top of everything else it just adds to the impression of a club in turmoil.
Agreed Chris.
In isolation it wouldn't be so bad, but it's one of a number incidents this season that suggest a breakdown in communication between players and management. Whoever is in the right or wrong on this one (and it looks like the players were) it just contributes further to the negativity that's dogged us for the past few months.
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Come now, get a grip, everything is fine. It's all under control don't you know?
Some would defend the current manager if he burned the Holte End down so Ino doubt there will be some indignation, but, it's yet another example of the complete shambles this season has been, regardless of who is at fault or not at fault.
Actually, the story is always what's behind the story. Who is leaking this to papers and why? Players trying to get rid of Houllier is my guess.
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Although whatever happened dose'nt come across very well (and like Eastie said, it sound's like it's been leaked), at least we can be glad one of our players did'nt walk into the bar with an air rifle.
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Let's flush out the mole!
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Sky should have resurrected 'Dream Team' for this season with Villa being Harchester. I wonder who has been shagging Linda Block/Carla King from Corrie.
Now that I'd like to see, I used to love dream team
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I hope Dunne never plays for us again.
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I think you'll get your wish jj but not till may.
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The papers seem to be hinting it's senior pros causing the aggro. I'd imagine this isn't far from the truth. I just think some of the squad are being mismanaged - perhaps not unintentionally. I hope this doesn't back fire and contributes t us being relegated.
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well wot next?? we are a shambles ......bout time these footballers realised how privilldged they are.....oh and yes thanks o irish wanker you bought these players and then you fucked off.... Dunne cost us a cup final and semi final
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well wot next?? we are a shambles ......bout time these footballers realised how privilldged they are.....oh and yes thanks o irish wanker you bought these players and then you fucked off.... Dunne cost us a cup final and semi final
Good grief.
O' Neill left last August. Since then we've won a handful of games and lost a shit load. How people can carry on blaming him for us being in the shite in March is truly strange.
Richard Dunne was only trumped by James Milner playing the season of his life to being our player of the season. He was outstanding last season. This season he's been unfit. Is that O Neills fault too?
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Richard Dunne was only trumped by James Milner playing the season of his life to being our player of the season. He was outstanding last season. This season he's been unfit. Is that O Neills fault too?
In fairness, he was fat and unfit after a pre-season with Martin, too.
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well wot next?? we are a shambles ......bout time these footballers realised how privilldged they are.....oh and yes thanks o irish wanker you bought these players and then you fucked off.... Dunne cost us a cup final and semi final
Good grief.
O' Neill left last August. Since then we've won a handful of games and lost a shit load. How people can carry on blaming him for us being in the shite in March is truly strange.
Richard Dunne was only trumped by James Milner playing the season of his life to being our player of the season. He was outstanding last season. This season he's been unfit. Is that O Neills fault too?
Rigadon I agree with you totally but there are loads of people on here who will still be blaming him in 3/4 years time at the end of the day he left in the middle of Aug 2010 (approx) so his responsibility to Aston Villa FC ended when he left
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That he was Paulie.
I'm just getting tired of the apparent blind eye some turn to the input of our current manager. He's overseeing the worse season and overall vibe at the club we've had since O' Leary and yet to some he is afforded acess to a a kind of bullet proof vest that MON wasn't. I'm just a bit puzzled as to why unless it's a blind faith that 'anything is better than that nasty Martin O Neill'.
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I wouldn't say Martin is entirely to blame. I hope that nobody is stupid enough to think that.
In truth the manner of his departure is partly to blame but it is only one small contributing factor. The time taken to replace him, the attitude of the players, the injuries and Houllier's failings have all played as big and bigger parts.
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I would agree the timing was very poor but I personally do not think he left "Villa in the shit" on purpose and something must have happened to make him leave and once this tribunal is out of the way we may here why........
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club in turmoil, get a grip chris, get a grip. What would you be saying if 2 players got into a punch up and the manager decked them both I wonder.
I said it gives that impression, the steady drip of negative stories coupled with a less than impressive set of results makes us appear to be in disarray.
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I've heard that the argument resulting in fusty cuffs was about clothes !
One was taking the piss out of the other and the other reacted .
There's not the best of atmospheres at VP these days, on or off the pitch.
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I agree, the atmosphere isn't the best, I just hope we get through this to the summer and we are still in the prem and then we can sort out the in house problems.
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Sounds like the shoe/ aftershave/ other bi winning threads that did the rounds in off topic a few weeks back.
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Ttv the reports in the papers say collins and dunne were arguing with the coaching staff and not each other - ged and gary mac were at the spurs game, and there was a free bar.
There were no punches thrown by all accounts but people hear collins and dunne were involved and assume it was against each other - seems a non story to me , but there are people with an agenda against ged who will use it as a stick to beat him with.
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I really am fed up of stories like this, there have been far too many this season. On its own it isn't that big a deal but on top of everything else it just adds to the impression of a club in turmoil.
Same of me really. This season has been a car crash ever since MON ran off.
I'd get rid of Dunney tbh now. We had a good first season out of him but he's 30 + now so I can't see him getting back to that level of form.
Keep Collins as a squad player but not a first choice.
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I really am fed up of stories like this, there have been far too many this season. On its own it isn't that big a deal but on top of everything else it just adds to the impression of a club in turmoil.
Same of me really. This season has been a car crash ever since MON ran off.
I'd get rid of Dunney tbh now. We had a good first season out of him but he's 30 + now so I can't see him getting back to that level of form.
Keep Collins as a squad player but not a first choice.
Agree entirely with both of you. Can't wait for the close season and see how the team is rebuilt.
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Dunne got very drunk and insulted villa staff and Fabian delph- facing huge fine and will be gone in summer - full story on mirror website tonight.Dunne and Collins face massive club fines, wasn't dunne accused of bullying a yung player at city under keegan and given a final warning years ago?
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I'm disappointed that Aston Villa players drink alcohol during the season. It's their life of course, but I would have though professional footballers would be committed to their profession. It would certainly go some way to explaining Dunne's appalling performances this season.
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Mirror (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Aston-Villa-want-to-hit-Richard-Dunne-and-James-Collins-with-unprecedented-fines-following-drunken-row-with-coaching-staff-article713528.html)
Drunken Villains facing unprecedented fine
Published 23:01 13/03/11 (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/river_of_news/?date=2011-03-13) By James Nursey
Aston Villa boozers Richard Dunne and James Collins are facing fines of £300,000 in a club crackdown. Villa have initiated disciplinary proceedings to punish Dunne and Collins after the defensive duo staged a rowdy alcohol bender on a club trip.
Irish defender Dunne, 31, got drunk before insulting Villa staff and team-mates, including teenager Fabian Delph.
Dunne, who earns £53,000-a-week, was so drunk that the next day he claimed not to have remembered what he said and is now facing a battle to save his Villa career.
The pair yesterday apologised but it will not spare them from severe punishment after infuriating Villa’s top brass.
PFA rules state players can only be fined a maximum of two-weeks’ wages.But angry Villa officials hope to fine the shamed duo between four-six weeks’ worth of their salary for gross misconduct.
With Villa battling for Premier League survival, the scandal is a huge embarrassment to the club and the latest crisis this term.
Dunne is set to escape the sack but is poised to be offloaded this summer after also clashing with coach Gary McAllister in December.
His latest scrape occurred when boss Gerard Houllier took Villa’s squad on a bonding trip to Champneys spa in Leicestershire for an overnight stay last Wednesday.
But while team-mates took part in paint-balling, defensive partners Dunne and Collins did not participate as they recover from injuries.
And by the end of the evening team meal in the hotel restaurant, the pair were both drunk.
Houllier and assistant McAllister took a trip to Spurs v AC Milan in London that night.
Most players watched Spurs on TV before going to bed but Dunne and Collins stayed up criticising staff and team-mates with Villa just two points above the drop zone.
Midfielder Delph, 19, was among the players singled out for face-to-face abuse from Dunne.
Villa insiders have been worried about Dunne’s lifestyle for some time after his startling loss of form this season.
The defender was named in the PFA team of the year and was Villa’s players’ player of the year last season following a £5million transfer from Man City.
Now Villa intend to hit Dunne and Collins,27, hard in the pocket.
A Villa source said: “We’ve got to do a standard disciplinary process. If you stray off it then everything can be null and void.
“The end result is likely to be a fine between four-six weeks’ worth of salary. Anything worse would be very extreme.”
A pal of Collins’ added: “James knows the situation is very serious.”
Dunne is recovering from a dislocated shoulder while Collins has a calf injury and the pair spent the weekend rehabilitating their injuries.
Houllier may still have to select either if fit to partner Ciaran Clark for Saturday’s crunch clash at home to Wolves at Villa Park.
Leeds-target Dunne was poised for a January exit after his previous bust-up but owner Randy Lerner intervened.
Now a summer move, probably to a Championship club, appears inevitable with Villa likely to subsidise Dunne’s massive salary to get him off the pay-roll.
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Dunne got very drunk and insulted villa staff and Fabian delph- facing huge fine and will be gone in summer - full story on mirror website tonight.Dunne and Collins face massive club fines, wasn't dunne accused of bullying a yung player at city under keegan and given a final warning years ago?
Link here (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Aston-Villa-want-to-hit-Richard-Dunne-and-James-Collins-with-unprecedented-fines-following-drunken-row-with-coaching-staff-article713528.html)
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I don't mind players having a few jars, but whoever thought that allowing injured players to get completely twisted on a club jolly was a good idea needs a massive fine too.
These lads' bodies are club assets, and if injured they need to be correctly managed in order to heal asap, and then get them back in the side. Getting stinking drunk is hardly the optimum condition for recovery.
By they way though, I have it on good authority that Dunne's generally a sound lad, whether he's got a few drinks on him or not. It'll be a shame to see him go but he's been a shadow of his former self this season, so it won't be so difficult.
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. . . is not that he got drunk and insulted the Villa staff and team mates. . .
But that for this and his awful performances on the pitch he earns the astronomical figure of 53.000 £ a week! >:(.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Aston-Villa-want-to-hit-Richard-Dunne-and-James-Collins-with-unprecedented-fines-following-drunken-row-with-coaching-staff-article713528.html
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I actually thought he was on slightly more than that
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I don't mind players having a few jars, but whoever thought that allowing injured players to get completely twisted on a club jolly was a good idea needs a massive fine too.
These lads' bodies are club assets, and if injured they need to be correctly managed in order to heal asap, and then get them back in the side. Getting stinking drunk is hardly the optimum condition for recovery.
By they way though, I have it on good authority that Dunne's generally a sound lad, whether he's got a few drinks on him or not. It'll be a shame to see him go but he's been a shadow of his former self this season, so it won't be so difficult.
The people 'allowing' these pair of pricks to get pissed were themselves. They're professionals, fucking grown men and senior players.
Collins can have a second chance, but Fatty's had his and he can fuck off.
Fucking wallop them, if we take anything from this season it's that we put down the marker to the young lads that says when you play for Aston Villa, you behave in a manner befitting it, on and off the pitch.
It the least that should be expected.
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Very poor professionals. Especially being seniors ..........
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Going in the summer. Glad we still got rid of Davies. He looked awful for the scum .........
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Isn't Clark suspended for the Wolves game?
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There has been a lot of reports this season that GH has upped the training and that some players did not (do not) enjoy the extra training. Dunne has had rumours all season that he is indulging too much (his waist at times suggests this too). This maybe simplistic, it is only a guess, but if you are not keeping yourself in shape then the last thing you want is extra physical work and that would explain why an individual would resist that change.
It must be hard to run around a pitch hung over. I find it difficlut to type an email! At 31 he is at that point he needs to knuckle down and really look after himself. Right now it appears he has gone the other way. I can see him at a Stoke or even Championship side next season. He makes too many errors and if beside that he is generally a bit slow and shit due to conditioning then his career is going backward and fast.
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Very poor professionals. Especially being seniors ..........
Well said, this is the last thing we needed at this stage of the season.
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Of course this is being reported by The Mirror so I'm sure it's all 100% correct.
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He is great at scoring own goals though, we should never forget that about him.
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The Sun (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3464731/Dunne-and-Co-in-crisis-meeting-at-Aston-Villa.html)
Dunne and Co in crisis meeting
By SHAUN CUSTIS
RICHARD DUNNE and James Collins are among a group of Aston Villa players who have been summoned to a meeting with club bosses and told: Bring your lawyers.
Villa are being torn apart by internal strife between certain members of the squad and boss Gerard Houllier.
And it reached new heights last week during a boozy row on what was supposedly a bonding trip to Champneys Springs in Measham, Leicestershire.
Defenders Dunne and Collins were among a group who got stuck into a drinking session before the team assembled for an early evening meal.
It is claimed Houllier gave the OK that they could have a beer.
But some players, led by Dunne, then vented their anger at the coaching staff and shouted strong personal insults that stunned onlookers.
A source who witnessed the bust-up told SunSport: "You wouldn't have believed some of the stuff being said.
"It was seriously close to the bone and very personal against Houllier. Dunne was particularly out of order.
"There are a few who have it in for Houllier and just cannot help themselves."
Villa chiefs sent out official letters at the end of last week demanding the ringleaders attend the meeting and advising them to bring a lawyer.
The meeting is likely to be on Wednesday.
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So - everybody went to play paintball. Dunne and Collins couldn't because they were injured, so they started drinking. Or took advantage of the club's beauty treatments, read a few novels, joined the watercolour class and then started drinking.
They were so pissed they didn't notice that Houllier (and Mac) were'nt even there when they started insulting the coaching regime after dinner, which included more drinking...('Houllier gave permission for beer')
The following day, according to the report, Dunne ' was still so drunk he couldn't remember what he had said'
Any women on here heard that one before?! (and any men, come to that!)
So far so average. The bit about, 'come along with your lawyers' - anybody in any job can bring a friend or legal representative to a disciplinary hearing with their employer.
I'm more concerned about why a professional at the top of his game last season has lost his way so obviously this season, as comments on this forum about weight, judgment and ineptitude during some games can attest.
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or that he was part of our best defensive unit in recent times last season. Im sure Aston Villa fans wont forget that either
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I think both of them (Collins and Dunne) will be on the way in the summer, neither fit the style or ability and both have underperformed this season quite notably. I think the rest of the squad going forward is fairly settled short of a replacement for Ash, but the back 5 could all be new next season! Houlliers firts summer at Liverpool was getting rid of the players that many saw as that spice boys squad like James, Redknob, Mcmananananamaananaman, Fowler etc. He had to make sure the players in there were the right type to take on the way he wanted to play. I hope we get to see the side next season with the changes implimented.
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There always one.
Shall we not forget Pires was world class a few years ago either.
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Happy to keep Collins as one of the 4 centre backs (Collins, Clark, Cuellar, A N Other)
But Dunne can fuck off.
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Dunne isn't being sacked because he has a value, not a massive value, but a few million £ still.
Otherwise he would be.
He's been appalling this season, maybe he knows it, maybe he's concerned by it.
Maybe.
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Sadly this has a definite ring of truth about it.
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If I were Dunne's lawyer I'd get him into the Priory this morning and issue a statement about demons or some fucking thing.
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Pity we can't sack him , and save on his wages remaining - I can't see his value being more than around £2.5m at his age- would be cheaper to sack him for gross misconduct as it's not his 1st offence.
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Sack him and save on paying the rest of his contract- his value is only about £2.5m now so the cheaper option is to get rid And now we have reason to back it up.
I'm sure we can get through 9 games with Clark culler Collins and baker , plus Luke in emergency.
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This tale is typical of the surreal nature of this weird business called Premiership football. In what other sphere of life could a man employed as a professional athlete reduce his effectiveness to the point where he became useless and an embarrassment to his employers, but yet could still be paid £53,000 a week?
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Take him down the M5 to Cheltenham. Put him in the jockeys' steam room for the duration of the festival meeting. Sweat three stone off the fat bastard. Then sack him with immediate effect.
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If I were Dunne's lawyer I'd get him into the Priory this morning and issue a statement about demons or some fucking thing.
If I was Dunne's Doctor, I'd get him into the local Weight Watchers class and get the local Social Worker to issue a statement about 'bullying at work'.
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Is there anyone on here who hasn't had a drunken rant about Houllier (or their own boss)?
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The original article started to piss me off no end when I heard "pampering" mentioned.
These blokes will earn more in a season thatn I will in my working lifetime of 50 years but still have to be stroked and told how wonderful they are.
never mind paintball how about where to stand at a corner.
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By paying him £53k a week, tells us all what is wrong with our football club!
The sooner the summer comes and we can get rid of players who do not want to play and cannot care less about our club the better!
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Is there anyone on here who hasn't had a drunken rant about Houllier (or their own boss)?
Yes, but
a) I'm not paid ridiculous amounts of money.
b) My job doesn't require my physical condition to be at its best. (thank christ)
c) I haven't been useless at it for the last year.
d) There haven't been persistent rumours dogging me throughout my career about my lack of personal discipline.
e) I haven't already been pulled up this year for pretty much the same thing
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I'm not sure how much truth there is in all this, or who's in the right or wrong etc, all I can say categorically state is that this season has been an utter shambles, and I really can't wait for it to finish. As long as we stay up, even if it's by goal difference, that's all that matters now. We need to get to the summer and for Lerner to have a good, long look at things.
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No risso, all we need is randy to back GED to rid the club of the troublemakers and the likes of Carew, Ireland dunne and warnock- let him get these leeches out and get on with rebuilding us in the summer-randy needs to stand firm and back his man.
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No risso, all we need is randy to back GED to rid the club of the troublemakers and the likes of Carew, Ireland dunne and warnock- let him get these leeches out and get on with rebuilding us in the summer-randy needs to stand firm and back his man.
Bang on.
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No risso, all we need is randy to back GED to rid the club of the troublemakers and the likes of Carew, Ireland dunne and warnock- let him get these leeches out and get on with rebuilding us in the summer-randy needs to stand firm and back his man.
Two of the players haven't been near the club since January, and the other is an outcast anyway, and we're still a shambles.
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I haven't been to a work 'do' for five years or even had a drink at work because I have form.
Mostly it is groping, though.
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In fairness to Damon, Trevor McDonald was begging for it.
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All this because somebody got the round in and got Dunne a Low C and Collins a ginger beer.
Shiii-iiit. I wish this season would just get to fuck already.
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May can't come soon enough, can it. This season has been shit from start to finish.
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All this because somebody got the round in and got Dunne a Low C and Collins a ginger beer.
Snigger. Would you say Warnock is a bitter man?
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All this because somebody got the round in and got Dunne a Low C and Collins a ginger beer.
Snigger. Would you say Warnock is a bitter man?
Yes and only good for a half.
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No risso, all we need is randy to back GED to rid the club of the troublemakers and the likes of Carew, Ireland dunne and warnock- let him get these leeches out and get on with rebuilding us in the summer-randy needs to stand firm and back his man.
Why does GED get a nickname and capital letters? What not JC, STEVO, RICHIE AND STEVIE?
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Of course this is being reported by The Mirror so I'm sure it's all 100% correct.
Well they mentioned one of them playing against Wolves to partner Clark in defence, even though he is suspended. So that just sums up the quality of research that goes on with that rag.
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I think he could be off in the summer and then we can start by bringing a less disruptive player in.
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All this because somebody got the round in and got Dunne a Low C and Collins a ginger beer.
Snigger. Would you say Warnock is a bitter man?
Yes and only good for a half.
I'd have Downing down for half a mild.
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Friedel - Pina Colada (Its the funky shirt)
Walker - Just some crisps please.
Collins - Ginger beer... and 14 pints of Vodka.
Dunne - 5 pints of guinness, kebab, then 10 pints of guinness
Warnock - Bitter and its never his round.
Makoun - Brandy, by the fireside in a some quality knitwear.
Delph - WKD and terps.
Reo Coker - Coke.
Clark - Shandy and 2 bob for the space invaders. Stay where we can see ya!
Cuellar - Rioja.
Ashley - Gin and juice.
Downing - Mild.
Petrov - Half a crab juice.
Albrighton - Red Bull and Red Bull.
Gabby - Milk.
Heskey - WD40.
Bent - Typhoo.
Selected others:
Robin van Persie - Tonic water for me, a Rohypnol and Ketamine spritzer for the lady.
Robin van Persie - She's a big lass, make it a double.
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Heskey - WD40.
Class
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All this Dunne bashing is a bit annoying
If reports are true, he's lost a huge chunk of his personal fortune to failed business ventures, so I have some sympathy and this may be duelling the drinking (if true)
As for his performances, since he came back into the team on the whole he's been very good
I'm sure the stories in the sun and mirror are exaggerated
We need dunne / Collins to help us survive this season so let's get behind them not rip them apart
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Maybe you should be telling that to dunne and Collins wiki , they are adults and responsible for their actions- blame them, not us!
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To be honest, if they were both replaced in the summer I wouldn't have been mourning their departure much even before all this business. Both must be on wages which much outstrip their abilities, neither is very young any more so I wouldn't hold out much hope of improvement, both of their bodies appear to be creaking and we can't rely on their fitness, and they've both been unprofessional before (Dunne famously arguing with GH, Collins IIRC sneaking bottles of Magners onto the team bus in his socks - I mean, really) and this is the last straw.
I'd like to see a Cuellar & Clark partnership at the back when all are fit. That would seem to me to have that classic "hard bastard" and "clever reader of the game" combination which so many great defences have been built on (Moore & J. Charlton, Baresi & Costacurta, Terry & Carvalho, even Puyol & Pique). Obviously this is impossible while Cuellar's injured, but when he's back I'd like to see it.
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If reports are true, he's lost a huge chunk of his personal fortune to failed business ventures, so I have some sympathy
He's on £53,000 a week!!!
He earns in a year what the average wage earning man in the street would need to work 100 years to earn
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All this Dunne bashing is a bit annoying
If reports are true, he's lost a huge chunk of his personal fortune to failed business ventures, so I have some sympathy and this may be duelling the drinking (if true)
As for his performances, since he came back into the team on the whole he's been very good
I'm sure the stories in the sun and mirror are exaggerated
We need dunne / Collins to help us survive this season so let's get behind them not rip them apart
Starts the season 2 stone overweight
Involved in 2 serious breaches of discipline
Losses money in a failed business venture that was the production of top hats for gerbils/hamsters
Oh how my heart gently weeps....
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Mazrim
That is quite possibly the funniest post I've ever read on here
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All this Dunne bashing is a bit annoying
If reports are true, he's lost a huge chunk of his personal fortune to failed business ventures
Boo-hoo!
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It just get's better and better doesn't it?
Roll on May
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Friedel - Pina Colada (Its the funky shirt)
Walker - Just some crisps please.
Collins - Ginger beer... and 14 pints of Vodka.
Dunne - 5 pints of guinness, kebab, then 10 pints of guinness
Warnock - Bitter and its never his round.
Makoun - Brandy, by the fireside in a some quality knitwear.
Delph - WKD and terps.
Reo Coker - Coke.
Clark - Shandy and 2 bob for the space invaders. Stay where we can see ya!
Cuellar - Rioja.
Ashley - Gin and juice.
Downing - Mild.
Petrov - Half a crab juice.
Albrighton - Red Bull and Red Bull.
Gabby - Milk.
Heskey - WD40.
Bent - Typhoo.
Selected others:
Robin van Persie - Tonic water for me, a Rohypnol and Ketamine spritzer for the lady.
Robin van Persie - She's a big lass, make it a double.
Very good but I always thought Ash's tipple was a hand shandy.
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Very good Maz.
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(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_85iFErc4pp8/TX4Aji5824I/AAAAAAAACiY/J5CH5Gucwlo/s800/wrap.mbna-away-shirt.jpg)
I don't know about the shirt, but it seems that the wearer will be away soon
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He's already hailing a taxi in that pic.
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All this Dunne bashing is a bit annoying
If reports are true, he's lost a huge chunk of his personal fortune to failed business ventures, so I have some sympathy and this may be duelling the drinking (if true)
I know the poor bastard, I could weep when I think of what he has to deal with in his life. I'm off to Japan to see if I can organise a collection for him.
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I think the Japanese have enough on their plate without having to collect Dunne. But why not try.
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Id like to know who the coaching staff were that were involved. Robert Duverne was the fella involved in the ruck with Evra and most of the French squad at the World cup, who is now our fitness coach.
Not seeking to defend the players unproffessional actions at all, but perhaps Duverne is a bit of a knobhead?
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If reports are true, he's lost a huge chunk of his personal fortune to failed business ventures, so I have some sympathy
He's on £53,000 a week!!!
He earns in a year what the average wage earning man in the street would need to work 100 years to earn
Some reports suggested he'd lost +£20m. If true, I have sympathy for the bloke
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If reports are true, he's lost a huge chunk of his personal fortune to failed business ventures, so I have some sympathy
He's on £53,000 a week!!!
He earns in a year what the average wage earning man in the street would need to work 100 years to earn
Some reports suggested he'd lost +£20m. If true, I have sympathy for the bloke
More fool him then. He earns enough that he could live in the lap of luxury for the rest of his life without having to lift a finger ever again, either in terms of working or investing.
If he's invested his spare cash in high risk ventures, then that's his look out. With that much money, I'd have done what Robbie Fowler has done and stick it all into relatively low value property.
Even if he has lost £20m, he's only ever a few months away from earning his next million, which is something most of us never achieve in our lifetimes.
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If reports are true, he's lost a huge chunk of his personal fortune to failed business ventures, so I have some sympathy
He's on £53,000 a week!!!
He earns in a year what the average wage earning man in the street would need to work 100 years to earn
Some reports suggested he'd lost +£20m. If true, I have sympathy for the bloke
Then you think he would have enough sense not to risk his main source of income.
My sympathy does not extend to extremely wealthy men who make bad business decisions.
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So that's Friedel and Dunne in the financial shit then. Have they been consulting Stewart Downing's agent?
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Clark - Shandy and 2 bob for the space invaders. Stay where we can see ya!
I love it!
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Oh & lets not bash Dunne & Collins because the club were foolish enough to pay them silly wages !
It's not the players fault that they earn in excess of £50 k per week
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Oh & lets not bash Dunne & Collins because the club were foolish enough to pay them silly wages !
It's not the players fault that they earn in excess of £50 k per week
If you earn over £50k a week and find yourself in financial difficulties then you really are a prize chump.
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Oh & lets not bash Dunne & Collins because the club were foolish enough to pay them silly wages !
It's not the players fault that they earn in excess of £50 k per week
If you earn over £50k a week and find yourself in financial difficulties then you really are a prize chump.
Wouldn't disagree, my point was around the wages they're paid was agreed by some chumpo down B6, as was the decision to open a free bar at Champneys !!
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Oh & lets not bash Dunne & Collins because the club were foolish enough to pay them silly wages !
I'm not
I was just saying that I don't share your sympathy for a man who spunks his £50k a week on stupid, risky business ventures.
If I went out and spent my wages on lottery tickets I wouldn't expect my missus to be big on the sympathy.
And if i then went out on a bender with colleagues and started scrapping with them, I wouldn't imagine my employer would be over sympathetic either.
I don't think any of the "Dunne bashing" on here is being particularly unfair on him.
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I'm not going to criticise any player for taking home what they get, even players like Beye and Warnock. I'm certainly not going to feel sorry for them though, and earning that much money places a certain responsibility on their heads to behave accordingly.
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Oh & lets not bash Dunne & Collins because the club were foolish enough to pay them silly wages !
It's not the players fault that they earn in excess of £50 k per week
If you earn over £50k a week and find yourself in financial difficulties then you really are a prize chump.
Wouldn't disagree, my point was around the wages they're paid was agreed by some chumpo down B6, as was the decision to open a free bar at Champneys !!
Yes, its not Dunne's fault that somebody is paying him a shitload of money to be overweight and substandard and he's gone and pissed it all up the wall.
Also, when a professional sportsman has a free bar he must feel obliged to get absolutely mortal.
I mean, if he had to pay for the drinks himself he might have baulked at drinking a lot, being a multi millionaire like, but a free bar? It's like saying "please have no self control and get drunk". Madness!
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I'm not going to criticise Robert Duverne. That thing at the World Cup where he lost it and threw his stopwatch in the hedge was one of the best moments of my life.
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Well at least this has distracted the Petrov bashers for a while
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I'm not sure how much truth there is in all this, or who's in the right or wrong etc, all I can say categorically state is that this season has been an utter shambles, and I really can't wait for it to finish. As long as we stay up, even if it's by goal difference, that's all that matters now. We need to get to the summer and for Lerner to have a good, long look at things.
This.
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I cant wait until he does one too.
I'm sure he's financially sound though so shed no tears.
Old Stan may respire through his anus after looking at a football but he's no fool.
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Interesting that the BBC are not even covering this story
Storm in a teacup ?
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If daring to critisize one of our most senior players for being overweight and for taking the piss twice is "bashing" then long may it continue.
I mean why didn't the big lump just invest in Greggs/Firkins then he would have been a winner all ways up.
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Id like to know who the coaching staff were that were involved. Robert Duverne was the fella involved in the ruck with Evra and most of the French squad at the World cup, who is now our fitness coach.
Not seeking to defend the players unprofessional actions at all, but perhaps Duverne is a bit of a knobhead?
In South Africa, Robert Duverne got angry about a bunch of cuntish French internationals who were refusing to train (OK, they had a fucking lunatic for a manager but still....). He then gave Evra a piece of his mind and stormed off after throwing his stopwatch up the pitch. It was not a "ruck".
I do not know whether he is a knobhead or not but you can't say he is based on that incident.
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I love this club but I just don't think I like the current team. Just an overpaid, undisciplined group of wasters. Still most of them will be gone when we get relegated - which must be even more certain with this kind of thing going on.
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I love this club but I just don't think I like the current team. Just an overpaid, undisciplined group of wasters. Still most of them will be gone when we get relegated - which must be even more certain with this kind of thing going on.
That's the way...Stay positive
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I think we'll be a bit clearer on our destiny after 5pm Saturday
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It still doesn't answer the question as to why one of the best centre half pairings of last season have now become extraordinarily shhit this season.
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It still doesn't answer the question as to why one of the best centre half pairings of last season have now become extraordinarily shhit this season.
They haven't played together that often.
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It still doesn't answer the question as to why one of the best centre half pairings of last season have now become extraordinarily shhit this season.
Have you ever considered speech therapy?
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You only need to look at the weight difference in dunne from last season for a large part of that answer- he is clearly carrying more than last season.
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You only need to look at the weight difference in dunne from last season for a large part of that answer- he is clearly carrying more than last season.
Has he eaten Barry Bannan?
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I love this club but I just don't think I like the current team. Just an overpaid, undisciplined group of wasters. Still most of them will be gone when we get relegated - which must be even more certain with this kind of thing going on.
Want a bet on it?
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I love this club but I just don't think I like the current team. Just an overpaid, undisciplined group of wasters. Still most of them will be gone when we get
...........to the end of the season and finish in the top half.
I can agree with that now. We really have got some proper wer anchors at the club right now.
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Piss poor management / leadership skills. Drags them all out to Leicester for a 2 day bonding session, Yet GH & GMc see it better that they F**k off halfway through to watch Tottenham ???
Very "them & us" approach, Houllier needs the support of the players yet he seems to do little to gain any
Strange strange man
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Piss poor management / leadership skills. Drags them all out to Leicester for a 2 day bonding session, Yet GH & GMc see it better that they F**k off halfway through to watch Tottenham ???
Very "them & us" approach, Houllier needs the support of the players yet he seems to do little to gain any
Strange strange man
It's hardly like a football version of the McCanns is it? Going to London for a few hours to watch a football match?
I agree, there are plenty of things GH deserves criticism for, but some of the sticks people are using to beat him at the moment are over the top and a bit melodramatic to say the least.
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Friedel - Pina Colada (Its the funky shirt)
Walker - Just some crisps please.
Collins - Ginger beer... and 14 pints of Vodka.
Dunne - 5 pints of guinness, kebab, then 10 pints of guinness
Warnock - Bitter and its never his round.
Makoun - Brandy, by the fireside in a some quality knitwear.
Delph - WKD and terps.
Reo Coker - Coke.
Clark - Shandy and 2 bob for the space invaders. Stay where we can see ya!
Cuellar - Rioja.
Ashley - Gin and juice.
Downing - Mild.
Petrov - Half a crab juice.
Albrighton - Red Bull and Red Bull.
Gabby - Milk.
Heskey - WD40.
Bent - Typhoo.
Selected others:
Robin van Persie - Tonic water for me, a Rohypnol and Ketamine spritzer for the lady.
Robin van Persie - She's a big lass, make it a double.
First Class Post!
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GH is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, seems to me. On one hand he alienates some senior pros by putting new rules into practice - cutting days off, instructing them to move closer to the club (or at least, not to live in Lancashire) - and when he does allow them some down time, two of his senior players let him down like that.
I would have found it stranger if Houllier had been leading the drinking session, no problem with him going to watch the Spurs game and allowing players some space. The whole thing was for them, after all.
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Point is, maybe Houllier / Mcallister need to bond a bit with the players, its not just about players bonding
The management needs a healthy distance yes, but I think GH is just too distant from this set of players.
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GH is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, seems to me. On one hand he alienates some senior pros by putting new rules into practice - cutting days off, instructing them to move closer to the club (or at least, not to live in Lancashire) - and when he does allow them some down time, two of his senior players let him down like that.
He should know by now which players were likely to have "over-indulged". Hands up who was surprised that it was Dunne involved in a drink based incident?
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GH is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, seems to me. On one hand he alienates some senior pros by putting new rules into practice - cutting days off, instructing them to move closer to the club (or at least, not to live in Lancashire) - and when he does allow them some down time, two of his senior players let him down like that.
He should know by now which players were likely to have "over-indulged". Hands up who was surprised that it was Dunne involved in a drink based incident?
I'd have been less surprised only if Dunne was involved in a cake-based incident.
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Assault and Battenburg.
The fat bloater also looks increasingly like Bella Emberg with every passing day.
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Not sure about that gagey, I think bella is much quicker on the turn than dunney.
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Id like to know who the coaching staff were that were involved. Robert Duverne was the fella involved in the ruck with Evra and most of the French squad at the World cup, who is now our fitness coach.
Not seeking to defend the players unprofessional actions at all, but perhaps Duverne is a bit of a knobhead?
In South Africa, Robert Duverne got angry about a bunch of cuntish French internationals who were refusing to train (OK, they had a fucking lunatic for a manager but still....). He then gave Evra a piece of his mind and stormed off after throwing his stopwatch up the pitch. It was not a "ruck".
I do not know whether he is a knobhead or not but you can't say he is based on that incident.
No, of course not. I said perhaps he is a bit of a knobhead. I was just speculating, as they have named the players, not the coaching staff (I stand to be corrected if they have named them). I suppose I should have said that Duverne perhaps isn't a stranger to controversy? I don't know.
The way I see it, these sort of 'bonding' sessions are all about airing views and getting things out in the open. They shouldn't have been pissed up, that I agree with. Maybe some things just needed to be said?
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What the fuck's wrong with them? Imagine the effect on our younger lot watching these two drunken wankers. With luck Delph could be the future of this club - Dunne is looking more and more like the past.
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You only need to look at the weight difference in dunne from last season for a large part of that answer- he is clearly carrying more than last season.
He's clearly not the player he was and for a spell he didn't look fit enough but I'm not so sure about this 'fat' thing that keeps cropping up, clubs that are far inferior to ours give their players target weights and % body fat and monitor it closely on a weekly basis, if Dunne was over his target weight or body fat then he'd not be playing at all.
I just think the years on the piss have caught up with him.
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Agree with all that Pw, except the last line. The years on the pop may be catching up with him but when he applies himself, at he did the other week in the cup against Man City, he's still a bloody good defender. The problem is he was obviously out to prove a point against his former club, yet appears to believe that less than 110% effort is acceptable the rest of the time. He needs to either get focused or pack his bags.
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Piss poor management / leadership skills. Drags them all out to Leicester for a 2 day bonding session, Yet GH & GMc see it better that they F**k off halfway through to watch Tottenham ???
Very "them & us" approach, Houllier needs the support of the players yet he seems to do little to gain any
Strange strange man
Oh the irony.
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WikiVilla is right.
...nah, just kidding.
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What's the problem.......the honey monster was only celebrating St. Patrick's day ,even though he was about a week early........Did you ever see Shane Mcgowan,he celebrates Paddy's day ...everyday.It was just a good auld session that started just after breakfast,hope they had a sing song aswell.There should be no real problem as we normally play every 10 days around this time every season after the gaffer makes a balls of the cup competitions we are involved in.
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Piss poor management / leadership skills. Drags them all out to Leicester for a 2 day bonding session, Yet GH & GMc see it better that they F**k off halfway through to watch Tottenham ???
They're a bunch of young men in their twenties and thirties (and Brad Friedel), you'd think they can be left unsupervised for a few hours. At least they didn't burn the place down.
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Piss poor management / leadership skills. Drags them all out to Leicester for a 2 day bonding session, Yet GH & GMc see it better that they F**k off halfway through to watch Tottenham ???
They're a bunch of young men in their twenties and thirties (and Brad Friedel), you'd think they can be left unsupervised for a few hours. At least they didn't burn the place down.
Or set off any fire extinguishers!
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Point is, maybe Houllier / Mcallister need to bond a bit with the players, its not just about players bonding
The management needs a healthy distance yes, but I think GH is just too distant from this set of players.
He's French. He might have shared a glass of Muscat de Rivesaltes over a few olives and a plate of TUC biscuits but I doubt he'd be up for getting on the piss with the lads and going for a Ruby Murray.
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Richard Dunne faces a backlash from Aston Villa fans after it emerged the main victim of his drunken outburst was club legend Gordon Cowans.
Dunne and defensive pal James Collins are in the midst of formal disciplinary proceedings at Villa after a rowdy, alcohol-fuelled bender on a club trip.
The pair have been ordered to attend meetings with Villa’s HR officials and internal lawyer to explain their actions on a bonding trip to Champneys spa in Leicestershire.
Team-mate Fabian Delph may even be forced to give evidence against them after he intervened to cool a heated exchange between the duo and Villa staff.
A dividing partition with a trestle on top was knocked over in the private restaurant area and damaged in the incident.
Dunne and Collins hit the booze hard while boss Gerard Houllier and No.2 Gary McAllister absent at Spurs versus AC Milan last Wednesday.
Irish international Dunne then let Villa coach Cowans know what he thought as he delivered a damning assessment of Houllier’s troubled reign.
Villa favourite Cowans made over 400 appearances for the club in three spells between 1976-1994, during which he helped the club win the title and the European Cup .
Cowans has been barred from discussing the incident as he has to give a statement to Villa lawyers.
Dunne and Collins have publicly apologised but the club are pushing for a massive four-to-six-week fine of Dunne’s £53,000-a-week wages.
That contradicts PFA rules, which state players can only be fined two weeks’ salary, so the players’ union are set to get involved in talks too.
Collins is in the dock for being close-pal Dunne’s drinking partner, but it's the Irish stopper is in the deepest trouble.
This was his second bust-up at the club this season after rowing with McAllister during training in December when he was subsequently dropped.
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Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/635750-drunken-exchange-could-spell-serious-trouble-for-aston-villa)
Drunken Exchange Could Spell Serious Trouble for Aston Villa
By
Ian Dorward
(Aston Villa Featured Columnist) on March 14, 2011
What began as a simple team bonding day has turned into a full-blown incident for Aston Villa. After a day of paintballing, the players and coaching staff sat down for a group dinner, but by the end of it, headlines of heated exchanges, rebellion and bullying were being written, and the repercussions could have a major impact on Villa’s goal of staying in the top division.
The finer details are scarce and look likely to remain such at least until after Wednesday due to legal concerns. However, the general story seems to be that Richard Dunne and James Collins, who did not take part in the paintballing as they are recovering from injury, turned up at the dinner drunk. There, they proceeded to get into a heated argument with first team coach Sid Cowans and goalkeeping coach Rafa Gonzalez, as well as publicly criticising Fabian Delph, who supposedly dared to stand up to them.
Furthermore, the two continued drinking along with Luke Young in another pub after the incident, where they were supposedly boasting about what had happened. Dunne has already admitted that he was so drunk that he could not remember what he had said the next morning.
The pair have both made public apologies, suggesting that whatever exactly may have happened, there is definitely no smoke without fire.
But the disciplinary action to be taken is yet to be decided and is expected to be revealed to the players in a meeting on Wednesday.
That there are legal people involved suggests that severe punishment is expected. It is rumoured that the club wants to fine the two players six weeks wages, reportedly almost £300,000 each.
In the case of Dunne, there are even rumours that he may be sacked following his fallout with the coaching staff earlier in the season. The legal aspect is that under PFA regulations, the maximum fine for players is two weeks wages, but Villa are reportedly keen to challenge these rules.
The potential impact of the incident goes much further than simple disciplinary action, though. Despite sitting 13th in the table, Aston Villa are only two points above the relegation zone and in a desperate fight for their Premiership survival.
Their defence has been the weak point this season, and the potential loss of their two senior central defenders weakens an already porous defensive line. With Carlos Cuellar still out injured and Ciaran Clark suspended, the must-win match against Wolves this weekend could see a makeshift defence.
It is highly likely that Dunne has played his last game for the club. Regardless of his poor form and previous disciplinary problems this season, his actions toward his teammate are hardly likely to be overlooked by either his other teammates or by the management.
On the other hand, Collins may get a second chance, albeit on a final warning, and there is still a good chance he may be moved on in the summer. However, if he is withdrawn from the squad for this weekend, it leaves a major worry for Villa in the centre of the defence.
Carlos Cuellar has revealed that he hopes to be fit by the weekend, which would be a huge boost for the side, and in an interesting development, Stephen Warnock has been left out of the reserve side, possibly suggesting he could be in line to end his two and a half month banishment from the first team.
Even if Cuellar returns, it still leaves a fairly threadbare-looking defence. Nathan Baker is expected to continue in the heart of the defence, and if Warnock does not return to the starting XI, Fabian Delph will continue to deputise at left-back.
It does leave the problem though that there is no real defensive cover on the bench. Chris Herd deputised at full-back in the FA Cup against Manchester City, but he is a midfielder by trade. The loan of Eric Lichaj at Leeds has been extended, suggesting he is not being looked at as a possible candidate.
However, there are clearly major problems behind the scenes at the club. The list of players who have fallen out with either Houllier or the coaching staff continues to grow. Stephen Ireland, Stephen Warnock, Habib Beye, Richard Dunne, James Collins and John Carew have all had issues and have been frozen out of the first team picture.
Add in the injury crisis that hit the club earlier in the season, leaving 15 players out injured at its peak, and it has not been an easy first season for Gerard Houllier. However, he is not completely devoid of blame. Mistakes have been made and certain aspects have been neglected.
This has simply served to build the frustration amongst a certain section of the fans and the playing staff. However, this doesn’t excuse the actions of the two players. Drunkenly arguing in public with the coaching staff is highly unprofessional. Turning on your teenage teammate for standing up for the manager is simply unacceptable for two senior players.
Regardless of the impact on the team, the two players must be brought to book. Drunken, unprofessional behaviour and bullying cannot just go unpunished for the sake of having the two players available. Indeed, how welcome they are in the team with their teammates remains to be seen.
This weekend is a huge match for Villa, made even more important by the events of this week. Victory against Wolves could move Villa five points clear of the drop and into 11th position with only eight games to go. However, if Wolves can take all three points and other results go against Villa, they could find themselves only one point and one place above the drop zone and in serious jeopardy.
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ouch. the slide gathers pace >:(
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Another excuse that will no doubt be used if needed..."oh...we've had terrible injuries"..."and the zonal marking system is playing havoc with my own system" and don't forget I've inherited players "who are very hard to control"....
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I'm appalled that we're being dragged through the mud by this cretin Dunne. He started the season the size of a house and has had a subsequent stinker, rightly being dropped. He now gets wasted on a training camp where he should be setting an example to the younger players and if that's not enough, insults a Villa legend who has more passion for our club in his little finger than Dunne has in his entire blubberous body.
Disgusted of Aldridge
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Considering the amount Dunne abused his body earlier in his career which seemed to resurface last summer again, it's likely he only has a couple of seasons left at the top level. Throw in an obvious lack of respect for the manager, his wages and that we already have 3 centre halves then it will probably make sense to get rid in the summer. Still think he is a good centre half and if properly fit and motivated is one of the best in the league. Don't think there will be a shortage of takers for him.
Collins would want to cop on too. Imo he has been worse than Dunne this season and I don't think his conditioning has been all that great either this season. Could be a big chance for Cuellar to nail down the number one spot at the weekend if fit. Houllier hasnt been that gone on him too far. I'm not sure what to make of him as a centre half myself to be honest.
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Meetings / Lawyers / Confidentiality !!
Looks to me like their angling a Gross Misconduct charge at Dunne & possibly Collins too. Would have to read their contracts but could possibly result in a sacking
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I predict Dunne will leave by mutual consent and Collins will be given a severe reprimand and then quietly sold to Stoke in the summer.
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I can't help thinking if Dunne being named in the PFA team last season went to his head a little. Then Houiller dropping Carlos after he played a blinder against Wolves to make way for Dunne when he was fit probably maybe boosted his ego even more.
Whatever happens with this meeting, bearing in mind the position we're in, can we afford to sack them both? I can't see it myself.
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I suggest we call up Sid's old team-mate Eamon Deacy and have the matter sorted "out of court"
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Whatever happens with this meeting, bearing in mind the position we're in, can we afford to sack them both? I can't see it myself.
Dunne's out injured anyway for a month or maybe more ? Still think something happened after the Ci£y debacle
Collins I think will probably get a written warning, will be interesting to see if he is "fit" for Wolves
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Probably only Paul McGrath could get away with giving Sid a round of fucks and even then that's doubtful.
You silly boy, Richard.
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I suggest we call up Sid's old team-mate Eamon Deacy and have the matter sorted "out of court"
He could also bring Alan Evans with him...
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i would sack dunne for gross misconduct and therefore save having to pay him off and save on his wages, his transfer value may only be £2m now so saving on wages would be the better option, get him out the club .
we have clark, cuellar , baker , young and collins still to get throught the last 9 games so dunne can go, the damaging effect he may have if he stays makes it better to get rid and if legally we can do so lets do it.
its sad that sid appears to have bore the brunt of dunnes vile behaviour but dunne had problems at man city and keegan said he was very close to being sacked there -this is not his 1st time this season either so get rid and give collins a final chance .
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Sorry state of affairs - extremely bad publicity for the club, and at a time when
everyone should be pulling in the same direction
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Well you have to credit their audacity. Having a go like that at someone who was not only a million times the player they could ever dream of being, but also a million times the man, one who never took the piss with fans of any club, one who was a consummate pro throughout his career, one who is revered from Brum to Bari, one who retired after a glorious career only to not rest on his laurels and go on and, it seems, to establish himself as one of the best coaches of young players around. Dunne and Collins rest on their laurels during a game after one (rare) good piece of defending. The unprofessional, backwards, disrespectful bastards can piss right off, for footballing reasons and for being massive twats.
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Well you have to credit their audacity. Having a go like that at someone who was not only a million times the player they could ever dream of being, but also a million times the man, one who never took the piss with fans of any club, one who was a consummate pro throughout his career, one who is revered from Brum to Bari, one who retired after a glorious career only to not rest on his laurels and go on and, it seems, to establish himself as one of the best coaches of young players around. Dunne and Collins rest on their laurels during a game after one (rare) good piece of defending. The unprofessional, backwards, disrespectful bastards can piss right off, for footballing reasons and for being massive twats.
Never a truer word spoken.
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It's been said earlier in the thread, but if there's one man around Villa Park you cannot treat like that, it's Sid.
Dunne's got form for this but I'm a bit surprised by Collins.
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I love the way the press try to stir it up, by listing a set of players who've "fallen out with the manager". That list of hard-working, passionate, cut-me-and-I'll-bleed-claret-and-blue players? Stephen Ireland, Stephen Warnock, Habib Beye, Richard Dunne, James Collins and John Carew.
I'm not the biggest fan of Houllier, but right now I'm 100% behind him. Especially if he can replace that lot with players who can actually give a fuck. And maybe even pass to a teammate.
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I love the way the press try to stir it up, by listing a set of players who've "fallen out with the manager". That list of hard-working, passionate, cut-me-and-I'll-bleed-claret-and-blue players? Stephen Ireland, Stephen Warnock, Habib Beye, Richard Dunne, James Collins and John Carew.
I'm not the biggest fan of Houllier, but right now I'm 100% behind him. Especially if he can replace that lot with players who can actually give a fuck. And maybe even pass to a teammate.
Why are you bringing NRC into this ?
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This is just another nail in the coffin of a thoroughly rotten season for me that has been dragged through the mud by the behaviour of certain so called professionals. If we stay up (Still an IF to me I’m afraid) then nothing will give me more satisfaction than seeing these useless wastes of talent and skin being bombed out of Villa Park and hopefully replaced by professionals instead of jumped-up overpaid pub players, drunk on their own self worth and ego.
All that I hope is that day that these cretins come to pick up their P45 and roll out of Villa in their Lambo’s and pink Range Rover's that there are Villa fans there to express to them what they feel. I know they won’t care, but I’d like to think that maybe something might register, maybe some modicum of guilt perhaps.
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Whatever.
Thing is all is not well, and we don't need such aggro from within with 9 games left and relegation a possibility.
How Houllier and the club deal with the problem will determine the end of our season, but it is clear all is not well at the playing end of the club and something major needs doing now and not in 9 games time.
What, I have no idea, but some sign of leadership is needed, now and again come the season close, whatever the ending is.
Sadly the players will go their own way, probably more than we want if there is so much dissatisfaction, the manager at worst will find work elsewhere, and as usual, its the club and its fans who will suffer long term.
Not a season to be remembered even now.
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We shall have to try to get to the bottom of exactly what went on but what a pair of pillocks.
I don't see anyone getting the boot mind.
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Keep the faith Malcolm, in the long run houllier will sort out this mess.
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Keep the faith Malcolm, in the long run houllier will sort out this mess.
Only if he's given the chance.
By players and fans
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This is just another nail in the coffin of a thoroughly rotten season for me that has been dragged through the mud by the behaviour of certain so called professionals. If we stay up (Still an IF to me I’m afraid) then nothing will give me more satisfaction than seeing these useless wastes of talent and skin being bombed out of Villa Park and hopefully replaced by professionals instead of jumped-up overpaid pub players, drunk on their own self worth and ego.
All that I hope is that day that these cretins come to pick up their P45 and roll out of Villa in their Lambo’s and pink Range Rover's that there are Villa fans there to express to them what they feel. I know they won’t care, but I’d like to think that maybe something might register, maybe some modicum of guilt perhaps.
Yep,the sooner we can scrape enough points together to be safe,the better. Put this shitty season behind us,get rid of the final deadwood of the squad,and have a younger,vibrant squad for next season.
Those two cnuts havent been great this season,so they should be sacked for footballing reasons as well.
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Collins and Dunne are not fit to lace Gordon Cowans boots and are a disgrace, they can now react in two ways dig in and show us what they really can do for our club or they will just continue to be effing useless in the centre of our defence.
let's all hope it's the first.
UTV
The Doc
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If Cuellar and Clark are both fit and available they form the first choice partnership, without a shadow of a doubt. Baker third choice, now Luke's back hopefully until the end of the season Baker and Clark won't have to fill in at left back. To be honest, that's not far from my opinion of the situation footballing-wise, but after this? No doubt in my mind.
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If Cuellar and Clark are both fit and available they form the first choice partnership, without a shadow of a doubt. Baker third choice, now Luke's back hopefully until the end of the season Baker and Clark won't have to fill in at left back. To be honest, that's not far from my opinion of the situation footballing-wise, but after this? No doubt in my mind.
Pretty sure Luke Young is out injured again & won't feature v Wolves
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If Cuellar and Clark are both fit and available they form the first choice partnership, without a shadow of a doubt. Baker third choice, now Luke's back hopefully until the end of the season Baker and Clark won't have to fill in at left back. To be honest, that's not far from my opinion of the situation footballing-wise, but after this? No doubt in my mind.
Pretty sure Luke Young is out injured again & won't feature v Wolves
Is he? Ah balls. Clark's suspended and Cuellar's doubtful anyhow.
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if the story is true and Dunne has insulted Cowans, he should be got rid of and never play for us again,
he's not been great this season, a bit hit and miss, sometimes you think he's getting back to his old form then he produces a howller.
i really liked him when he first came, but the more i here about him the less i like, i'm all for giving people chance but he seems not to respect the club or former players. so i'd say goodbye to a bad apple
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It's a real shame - I thought Dunne was fantastic last season and, after a shaky start to this, was looking the part again once he'd knuckled down and got back into the side: the senior player who'd been put in his place, and responded well.
But now this. To be honest, I was left scratching my head a bit after hearing he'd dislocated his shoulder v City - saw nothing happen during the game and at all I thought he played the full 90. I'm probably just looking for conspiracy theories where none exist.
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There's one man who has to take the blame for this piss up and that's the gaffer.If he had bothered putting out a first full team against man city,we probably would'nt be in this mess.If he had given any thought to the club, these players should have been preparing for the Reading cup tie and not some piss up down the road.
Yours Regrettably......Arthur Guinness
p.s. Gaffer...next time try organising a bondage session,i believe they are more fun without the drink.
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Dunne and Collins are adults- they were trusted but threw that trust back into the staffs faces and could not control themselves- they have nobody to blame but themselves!
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p.s. Gaffer...next time try organising a bondage session,i believe they are more fun without the drink.
What do you want him to do, give them all a packed lunch with a carton of fucking Just Juice in it?
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There's one man who has to take the blame for this piss up and that's the gaffer. If he had bothered putting out a first full team against Man City, we probably wouldn't be in this mess. If he had given any thought to the club, these players should have been preparing for the Reading cup tie and not some piss up down the road...
...and if he hadn't gone to London to watch Spurzzz they would have all behaved themselves and drunk Horlicks and put their night cap on and prepared for their nighty-nights.
FFS.
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How long left on Dunne's contract ??
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How long left on Dunne's contract ??
about 24 hours give or take ;)
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Good gag
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p.s. Gaffer...next time try organising a bondage session,i believe they are more fun without the drink.
What do you want him to do, give them all a packed lunch with a carton of fucking Just Juice in it?
I'm still trying to get my head round the thought of GH organising a bondage session for the players!
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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZfcIzdiz7bE/SXCCwF127gI/AAAAAAAABDY/QKHwaH_glyE/s400/gimp_3.jpg)
"Six Guinness for me mate, and what you having, Ginge?"
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Dunnes a typical modern over paid footballer thick as two short planks too.
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There's one man who has to take the blame for this piss up and that's the gaffer.If he had bothered putting out a first full team against man city,we probably would'nt be in this mess.If he had given any thought to the club, these players should have been preparing for the Reading cup tie and not some piss up down the road.
Sad but true
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Because had we picked Young and Downing instead of Delfouneso and Bannan we were as good as in the next round were we?
We should have tried a bit harder to win the game the above post is just daft.
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It's ridiculous how anyone can blame the management in this incident. Houllier might have made many mistakes but to throw this at him is madness.
Some of these lazy, childish, useless, overpaid pricks need to show some respect to the fans, club and management.
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So who is in charge of moral, who is in charge of team affairs, who is it that sets the agenda and strategy for games?
So we duck out of the cup and arrange some paint balling and a piss up, fantastic leadership.
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It's makes me laugh how those determined to lay the blame for everything at Houlliers' feet are effectively absolving the players, senior, experienced and well paid ones at that, of any responsibilty.
You take that approach to running any team, Sunday morning through to Premier League, and see how far it gets you.
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I blame supertom for wearing his girlfriend's knickers to go to Lidl. He has breached the space-time continuum.
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So who is in charge of moral, who is in charge of team affairs, who is it that sets the agenda and strategy for games?
So we duck out of the cup and arrange some paint balling and a piss up, fantastic leadership.
You can set whatever agenda you like, if the players you are stuck with have their own, you're going to struggle.
The cup debacle is entirely seperate, and I'm fairly sure that a 'piss up' was not the on the agenda.
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So who is in charge of moral, who is in charge of team affairs, who is it that sets the agenda and strategy for games?
So we duck out of the cup and arrange some paint balling and a piss up, fantastic leadership.
Yeah, he practically forced Collins and Dunne to act like dicks.
It's not like they should shoulder any responsibilty at all not to get paralytic and throw members of the coaching staff around a restaurant.
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SO a club legend gets abused by a fat, over paid highly unproffessional, out f form waster and it is the managers fault for not pickung Young, Downing and Walker away at Man City who would have been odds on to beat us anyway? I have read it all. Some people are so determined to blame Houllier for anything it is rediculous.
They are grown men. The club should have em by their curlies.
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i was taught something very early in my career that has held true ever since.
If you want to know why a section, team, department, division, organisation, company is performing or not performing, look straight at the person at the top of that.
That is the answer it has allways been the answer.
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i was taught something very early in my career that has held true ever since.
If you want to know why a section, team, department, division, organisation, company is performing or not performing, look straight at the person at the top of that.
That is the answer it has allways been the answer.
Were you also taught that if two team members get into a fight on a night out then their manager should take all the blame for it?
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i was taught something very early in my career that has held true ever since.
If you want to know why a section, team, department, division, organisation, company is performing or not performing, look straight at the person at the top of that.
That is the answer it has allways been the answer.
Were you also taught that if two team members get into a fight on a night out then their manager should take all the blame for it?
i was taught that i should take resonsibility for it
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i was taught something very early in my career that has held true ever since.
If you want to know why a section, team, department, division, organisation, company is performing or not performing, look straight at the person at the top of that.
That is the answer it has allways been the answer.
Were you also taught that if two team members get into a fight on a night out then their manager should take all the blame for it?
i was taught that i should take resonsibility for it
With all due respect, you received some pretty shit training then.
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Dunne and Collins are adults- they were trusted but threw that trust back into the staffs faces and could not control themselves- they have nobody to blame but themselves!
Unless of course, Dunne has a deep rooted alcohol based illness in which case leaving him in a bar all day then putting a free bar on in the evening isn't a very wise course of action.
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i was taught something very early in my career that has held true ever since.
If you want to know why a section, team, department, division, organisation, company is performing or not performing, look straight at the person at the top of that.
That is the answer it has allways been the answer.
Why does every ****** these days think that some simple business principle can be employed lock, stock and barrel across every facet of life?
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i was taught something very early in my career that has held true ever since.
If you want to know why a section, team, department, division, organisation, company is performing or not performing, look straight at the person at the top of that.
That is the answer it has allways been the answer.
Were you also taught that if two team members get into a fight on a night out then their manager should take all the blame for it?
i was taught that i should take resonsibility for it
With all due respect, you received some pretty shit training then.
I guess thats why people pay me money to deal with this stuff.
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Dunne and Collins are adults- they were trusted but threw that trust back into the staffs faces and could not control themselves- they have nobody to blame but themselves!
Unless of course, Dunne has a deep rooted alcohol based illness in which case leaving him in a bar all day then putting a free bar on in the evening isn't a very wise course of action.
You may be right Risso, but it's probably more down to the fact he's a selfish ****** who lacks self control.
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So who is in charge of moral, who is in charge of team affairs, who is it that sets the agenda and strategy for games?
So we duck out of the cup and arrange some paint balling and a piss up, fantastic leadership.
What a load of horseshit. So two grown men supposed professionals can't take responsibility for their own actions in this case maybe not getting completely pissed and then abusing other members of their management team and you think thats the fault of the Manager!! However as your agenda seems to be Houllier can do nothing right I suppose we'll have to side with the misbehaving toddlers in this case and use their actions as another stick to beat the Manager with.
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i was taught something very early in my career that has held true ever since.
If you want to know why a section, team, department, division, organisation, company is performing or not performing, look straight at the person at the top of that.
That is the answer it has allways been the answer.
Were you also taught that if two team members get into a fight on a night out then their manager should take all the blame for it?
i was taught that i should take resonsibility for it
With all due respect, you received some pretty shit training then.
I guess thats why people pay me money to deal with this stuff.
Do you run a Premiership football team then?
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i was taught something very early in my career that has held true ever since.
If you want to know why a section, team, department, division, organisation, company is performing or not performing, look straight at the person at the top of that.
That is the answer it has allways been the answer.
Shit stirrers and trouble makers can often play a huge role there.
In a line of work (like football) when it has been virtually impossible to shift said shit stirrers and trouble makers away from the club due to a four week window, the management may struggle to maintain control as his hands are somewhat tied.
Come May shift the shit stirrers and trouble makers out and still leave time to bring in replacements.
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Seroiusly do people think that the villa squad all waved a fond goodbye to Dunne and Collins sitting in the bar as they left? They would not have been left a mandate to sit and get pissed for the day, and I would trust 2 players who have captained their national sides on several occasions to be trusted to do what was asked of them during the day. Getting shitfaced and assaulting/ abusing a club legend and one of our top young players I can stake my house on not being on the criteria set out by the management team or physio's - they are not small children, they have got small children they are meant to be capable of looking after - they should be able to be trusted for a few hours. They have abused any trust given to them, and if Dunne never sets foot in Villa park again it will be a blessing. Get whatever we can in the summer. Good for much of last season, confirmed all of our worst fears when we signed him this.
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::)No I dont run a PL team, obviously the fundementals of leadership change regarding football teams.
Thats the reason why some teams are successfull and some team are not.
Its obviously down to luck. ::)
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::)No I dont run a PL team, obviously the fundementals of leadership change regarding football teams.
Thats the reason why some teams are successfull and some team are not.
Its obviously down to luck. ::)
You should do then because you've obviously got it all worked out.
And while your at it, can you sort out the economy, because people who earn more money at this 'business' malarky than you are struggling.
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LeeB if i could understand your post i would answer it
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i was taught something very early in my career that has held true ever since.
If you want to know why a section, team, department, division, organisation, company is performing or not performing, look straight at the person at the top of that.
That is the answer it has allways been the answer.
Shit stirrers and trouble makers can often play a huge role there.
In a line of work (like football) when it has been virtually impossible to shift said shit stirrers and trouble makers away from the club due to a four week window, the management may struggle to maintain control as his hands are somewhat tied.
Come May shift the shit stirrers and trouble makers out and still leave time to bring in replacements.
you obviously dont get it
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LeeB if i could understand your post i would answer it
That's quite amusing given the grammar of your reply. I take it you're not the leader of a crack team of high-flying secretaries?
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i was taught something very early in my career that has held true ever since.
If you want to know why a section, team, department, division, organisation, company is performing or not performing, look straight at the person at the top of that.
That is the answer it has allways been the answer.
Shit stirrers and trouble makers can often play a huge role there.
In a line of work (like football) when it has been virtually impossible to shift said shit stirrers and trouble makers away from the club due to a four week window, the management may struggle to maintain control as his hands are somewhat tied.
Come May shift the shit stirrers and trouble makers out and still leave time to bring in replacements.
you obviously dont get it
If I'm mistaken it must be Randy's fault now then? Or have I still missed the point you were making?
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I agree with Hawkeye. I think it's disgusting that Houllier left a group of adults under his employ after a day of team building exercises in order to go back to work for a few hours. You cannot possibly have any expectation whatsoever that some employees won't slag the boss behind his back. You can't count on grown men not to pick someone up and throw them across a table. You can't leave a credit card on the bar and realistically expect it to be used in a reasonable way. Especially when the people left in charge of ordering drinks are pretty hard up financially and would likely not get out much/have much pocket money to spend.
Get. Fucking. Real.
They've had run-ins with Houllier and Mac on the training ground, face-to-face. These over-hyped prima donnas are not shy in saying what's on their mind. If Houllier HAD been there, they'd have likely had words anyway due to the influence of alcohol.
One big thing you seem to have failed to understand in all of this, Mr.Leadership, is that football is a totally different beast to an accounting firm, or a graphic design agency.
Some geek bean counter will, generally speaking, not have his house(s) paid for, will not be getting around in a Lambo or a Ferrari (or possible both), will not have millions in the bank or tied up in investments or be set for life. The nerdy graphic designer in the Atari t-shirt may have to struggle financially for a while whilst trying to find work if he tells his boss to fuck off/throws him over a table, whereas a footballer stands a good chance of getting his contract paid out in full and simply move on to the next job with some huge signing-on fee as he's now a free agent.
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i was taught something very early in my career that has held true ever since.
If you want to know why a section, team, department, division, organisation, company is performing or not performing, look straight at the person at the top of that.
That is the answer it has allways been the answer.
Shit stirrers and trouble makers can often play a huge role there.
In a line of work (like football) when it has been virtually impossible to shift said shit stirrers and trouble makers away from the club due to a four week window, the management may struggle to maintain control as his hands are somewhat tied.
Come May shift the shit stirrers and trouble makers out and still leave time to bring in replacements.
you obviously dont get it
If I'm mistaken it must be Randy's fault now then? Or have I still missed the point you were making?
I think the point he is making is that he thinks there is only one solution to our problems, "SEND FOR HAWKEYE".
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Now before some of you get on your hobby horses......just say for instance that Villa were relegated at the end of this season...who would you lot blame...Hardly Dunne and Collins????????The rot always starts at the top.Just have a quick look at France's SA world cup,ended in a shambles.If the structures are'nt right..the systems fail.
And where this system failed,the players should have been in Bodymoor Heath[state of the art training facility] and not some spa hotel.I don't think too many Company bosses would send their Del Boy Units to a spa hotel...most would be sent packing to a training course to improve their skills.
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Now before some of you get on your hobby horses......just say for instance that Villa were relegated at the end of this season...who would you lot blame...Hardly Dunne and Collins????????The rot always starts at the top.Just have a quick look at France's SA world cup,ended in a shambles.If the structures are'nt right..the systems fail.
And where this system failed,the players should have been in Bodymoor Heath[state of the art training facility] and not some spa hotel.I don't think too many Company bosses would send their Del Boy Units to a spa hotel...most would be sent packing to a training course to improve their skills.
Do you know how many teams go away on similar trips over the course of a season?
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Preston used to be a permanent fixture, and for all I know probably still are in Nice for every break in the season. Come international break or cup round break there they would be aimlessly ambling along the Promenade Des Anglais. God knows what they did all day. They always carried one of those bean bag footballs in anticipation of a game of some sort on the beach but the beach is pebbles so ambling was what they did.
The daytime ambling was done in PNE track suits. In the evening it was done in blazers.
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Let's draft Alan Partridge in to fire Dunne -
You're sacked. You are sacked. You're the subject of a sacking. I want you off these premises in 10 minutes. Knowing Me Alan Partridge, Sacking You Richard Dunne. A-ha
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In the evening it was done in blazers.
What ? & trackkie bottoms Niiiiiiiiiccceeee.
Anyway, is today D-Day for Dumb & Dumber ?
Wonder if Sky will have reporters hanging out the back of Bodymoor ?
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Let's draft Alan Partridge in to fire Dunne -
You're sacked. You are sacked. You're the subject of a sacking. I want you off these premises in 10 minutes. Knowing Me Alan Partridge, Sacking You Richard Dunne. A-ha
Would'nt he just do it down his dictaphone?
'Sack Richard, for being disloyal'.
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Probably better to use his mobile than his dictaphone...
(Sorry!)
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No guarantee we would have any takers for dunne in the summer even at £2m- he's on high wages and if we have grounds to sack him then let's rip up his contract and kick him out - what must the young lads who cowans has nurtured through have thought of seeing their mentor abused by this vile drunken thug.
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They go on a team buildng excercise.
Then have a drink fuelled bust up in the evening !!!!
You couldn't make it up..........well you could, it would be an episode of the Simpsons or something.
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Collins and Dunne are not fit to lace Gordon Cowans boots and are a disgrace, they can now react in two ways dig in and show us what they really can do for our club or they will just continue to be effing useless in the centre of our defence.
let's all hope it's the first.
UTV
The Doc
Totally agree with the first bit. From my era we have Sid, Ian Taylor & McGrath that to me are Villa legends. To involve Sid I'm afraid they have stepped well over the mark & goodnight. As for digging in, that should have happened long before now. This shouldn't be a need for digging in it should happen anyway. Offload both of them at any cost. Lets stand up & lead the way. Aston Villa is a fantastic Club, always has been and a hopefully always will be. We don't need this type of crap, best left to the Man Citys, Chelsea's etc of this world.
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'Sack Richard, for being disloyal'.
"Lynne, can you call Bill Oddie please
I've calmed down now"
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Collins may escape with a warning but dunne has had runs ins before so I hope will be dealt with very strongly- are we expecting any statement from the club today?
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According to Pravda yesterday ( in the Cuellar article ) ....Quote " Richard Dunne is out for several weeks with a dislocated shoulder " .
Call me a cynic but however he got that (? ) it could,nt have come at a more opportune moment .............Godzvilla !
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He dislocated it after somebody asked if anybody wanted a drink, to put their hands up.
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Richard Dunne is going to end up like Paul McGrath, but without the public goodwill.
He will go to somewhere like Leeds, where he will have a burst of good form, fuelled by the giant chip on his shoulder. Leeds fans will love him, and turn a blind eye to the fact that he is on the piss almost permanently.
Overweight and unfit, he will do his knee. He will drink while recuperating and on his return to first-team football the knee will go again.
After a few weeks of soul-searching, he will take the insurance money and settle down to pissing the rest of his money away.
He will make a brief effort at a career in the media but be shit at it. More drinking.
Bankruptcy.
A shit autobiography, which I won't read.
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A shit autobiography, which I won't read.
I will look forward to that. MON's next one should be good as well.
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A shit autobiography, which I won't read.
Got me thinking of an appropriate title for his autobiography
Dunne and Dumber
Dunne Moanin'
Hou Dunne It?
erm, Richard Dunne: My Story
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Dunne for ?
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Dunne and out in Birmingham and Leicestershire
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A shit autobiography, which I won't read.
Got me thinking of an appropriate title for his autobiography
Dunne and Dumber
Dunne Moanin'
Hou Dunne It?
erm, Richard Dunne: My Story
All Said and Dunne
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Dunne Der Head
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"Dunne Looks Back in Anger"
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"One up the bum, no harm Dunne"
No relevance, but I couldn't help saying it.
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I could offer to ghost-write it for him. I'd get done for libel but it would be worth it.
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Richard Dunne: now where was I?
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Tell them about the Money, Dunney - Confessions of a bankrupt honey monster.
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If we sack em both we could take Chris Riggot on a free till the summer, he has been released by Cardiff... just an option.
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'Sack Richard, for being disloyal'.
"Lynne, can you call Bill Oddie please
I've calmed down now"
can you tell me how to put a Kirby trouser press back together
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can you tell me how to put a Kirby trouser press back together
Ahem ( puts on best Partridge voice) It's a Corby trouser press
you'd think you'd have a basic grasp of trouser presses, working for..erm..Linton Travel tavern
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All these Dunnes being done to death, reminds me of possibly the shortest poem in the English language (about the randy poet John Donne):
"John Donne
Undone
Anne Donne"
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A shit autobiography, which I won't read.
Got me thinking of an appropriate title for his autobiography
Dunne and Dumber
Dunne Moanin'
Hou Dunne It?
erm, Richard Dunne: My Story
My Life in the (cake) Mix
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From earning a tonne to weighing one.Richard Dunne-My Story
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Job Dunne.
A curriculum vitae.
By R Dunne.
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Dunne and Out in Gravelly Hill
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Just ten more pints of Guinness and I'll be Dunne
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Here i stand broken-hearted-
had 30 Guinness and i only farted!
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Keep on drinking in the free bar.
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Free loading, when will it all end ?
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"One up the bum, no harm Dunne"
No relevance, but I couldn't help saying it.
So wrong.
But so funny.
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Just to quote AVFC.CO.UK......Jean Makoun "hails magnificent trip"....what did he do...eat a packet of wine gums and then had a blackout.
Any time i go on a bender and i can't remember jack shit the next day,i hail that as a magnificent trip.
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"Dunny - Another Word For Shithouse".
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"Dunny - Another Word For Shithouse".
Ow, you are good.
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"Dunny - Another Word For Shithouse".
A Prick Shithouse rather than brick!
Built like one or looks like one?
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"Dunny - Another Word For Shithouse".
Ow, you are good.
Praise indeed from a man of your calibre. Thanks.
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"Dunny - Another Word For Shithouse".
Built like one or looks like one?
Plays like one.
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Dunroamin, Duncarin, Dunplayin but not Dundrinkin
They got him on pies and alcohol
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Dunne and Out in Lickey Hills
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Dunne Dunne Dunne.
Another one bites the dust.
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Dunne be stupid. Of course I think Le Gaffeur is great.
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Problem in all this is that without the Richard Dunne of late, playing wise, I don't think the rest of them are up to the job of keeping us in this division.
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Problem in all this is that without the Richard Dunne of late, playing wise, I don't think the rest of them are up to the job of keeping us in this division.
Really?
I think there's more chance of us staying up without him.
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The strange one here is how highly I rated both as captain material, it's the captains job to speak out naturally, the crux of it is just how much was on behalf of the dissenters and how much of it was the drunken ramblings of a couple of self serving players or even drunk enough to care. Either way I think Dunne's gone this summer and hopefully we'll have Clark in his place as the Gary Cahill who wont get sold.
They were shoe in's in the MON days too, so GH is rocking their worlds.
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Sorry if this has already been asked but has anyone heard anything about the meeting that was held today? They'd have to tell us if Dunne receives a ban wouldn't they. Probably just a hefty fine.
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Sorry if this has already been asked but has anyone heard anything about the meeting that was held today? They'd have to tell us if Dunne receives a ban wouldn't they. Probably just a hefty fine.
In pictures, something like this:
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Very good.
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hahaha that's brilliant!
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Haha excellent. Would have been good if you could have chopped off Dunne's head.
No really does anyone know what happened?
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Timothy Abraham has just tweeted that a bit more info on the reasons behind it will be hitting the web tonight.
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Mirror saying they'll find out fate in the morning (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Aston-Villa-s-Richard-Dune-and-James-Collins-are-waiting-on-their-punishment-for-public-drunken-row-article714546.html)
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Timothy Abraham has just tweeted that a bit more info on the reasons behind it will be hitting the web tonight.
He also said there's something on VT which gives the gist of what it is about, and it the post i think he is referring to is about some of the senior pros not liking how hard Robert Duverne is working them at this stage of the season, Collins and Dunne among them.
Also that MON used to train them much less hard and give them more time off, and they're not happy with the arrangements now.
Also goes on to say that the younger players at the club absolutely love the new training regime.
I find it hard to find much sympathy for extremely well paid athletes complaining about having to do actual work rather than mope around golf courses all afternoon (or pubs in the case of Dunne). I know that's a simplification of the matter, but it's my gut instinct, nonetheless.
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It'd be interesting to find out when exactly Dunne does expect to work hard on his fitness. It sure as hell wasn't pre-season.
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The Sun (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3472590/Aston-Villas-fitness-coach-is-at-the-centre-of-infighting-that-has-rocked-the-club.html)
Fit hits the fan at Villa
By DEAN SCOGGINS
FRENCH fitness coach Robert Duverne is the man at the centre of infighting that has divided the Aston Villa dressing room.
Duverne was caught up in controversy after a training-ground bust-up with Patrice Evra during France's World Cup campaign last year.
And complaints over his and boss Gerard Houllier's strict new fitness methods sparked the booze-fuelled row at a team-bonding spa day.
Duverne, 43, has been central to Houllier's regime since joining in September but the appointment has split the camp and he bore the brunt of Richard Dunne's furious tirade last week.
James Collins and Dunne have faced club disciplinary panels over the past two days and are awaiting punishment - likely to be a maximum fine of two weeks' wages.
Injured centre-backs Dunne and Collins drank while the rest of the squad were paintballing.
And during a meal with a free bar at Champney's Spa resort in Leicestershire last week they let rip at Duverne and Houllier.
Some players were said to be appalled with a few comments made by Dunne, while Collins also ranted about the coaching staff.
A Villa source said: "Many of the squad are happy with how Duverne has improved their fitness and match sharpness.
"But some of the other players have complained continuously about extra runs at the end of sessions and gruelling tasks within the season.
"Dunne and some other senior players do not understand why they are doing pre-season style fitness work in March."
Villa coach Gordon Cowans was present during the incident in which tables were damaged.
But he is unable to comment as he must submit a statement as part of the club's disciplinary procedure.
Houllier has had to constantly bat away talk of dressing-room unrest this season following Martin O'Neill's departure five days before the start of the campaign.
Many players have not taken to his way of operating with many citing the fitness programme as the reason for an injury crisis over the festive period.
Dunne had a bust-up with No 2 Gary McAllister before Christmas and looks set to be the first man out of the door this summer.
That is if Houllier can sell a player on £53,000 a week with two years left to run on his contract.
Collins will be handed a small reprieve by being named in Villa's squad for Saturday's big home game with Wolves, if he shakes off a calf injury.
Dunne is recovering from a dislocated shoulder but has been named in the Republic of Ireland squad for next week's Euro 2012 qualifier against Macedonia.
Gabriel Agbonlahor moved to lift some of the gloom around Villa Park by making a 'sizeable donation' from his own pocket - believed to be well into six figures - to Birmingham Children's Hospital.
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Getting pissed, and subsequently moaning about training kind of undermines your argument, doesn't it?
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Timothy Abraham has just tweeted that a bit more info on the reasons behind it will be hitting the web tonight.
He also said there's something on VT which gives the gist of what it is about, and it the post i think he is referring to is about some of the senior pros not liking how hard Robert Duverne is working them at this stage of the season, Collins and Dunne among them.
Also that MON used to train them much less hard and give them more time off, and they're not happy with the arrangements now.
Also goes on to say that the younger players at the club absolutely love the new training regime.I find it hard to find much sympathy for extremely well paid athletes complaining about having to do actual work rather than mope around golf courses all afternoon (or pubs in the case of Dunne). I know that's a simplification of the matter, but it's my gut instinct, nonetheless.
That sums up quite nicely why I still retain a lot of faith in what GH is trying to do. I can only imagine the obstacles he has faced in imposing his methods on the squad, while trying to get results on the pitch. He's made some mistakes, no doubt about it. But I'm sure he cannot wait until we sell these complete tossers so he can continue to develop the kids, and bring in new players who understand what it takes to be a real pro at the highest level.
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Seems to me that Dunne sees himself[when sober] as Paul God mark 2, sad reality is that he is a]nowhere near as good a defender, b] nowhere near as good a holding his drink, c] in a different, less tolerant, more media aware time with endless social networks reporting each fart. Dunne sadly is a very big fart, and needs to be expelled with or without a lot of noise. Fulham, Stoke, etc, someone will employ him.
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In the MON years it became quite clear our fitness levels was not up to it. Chelsea publicly made the media aware of it. We were on the verge of breaking into the top four, but not quite. Maybe, just maybe with a bit more hard work in training, we might have achieved this, or maybe the older heads ie. Dunne, Collins, Young, Warnock didn't really want it and MON knew it too.
I would say that Dunne and co are not hungry enough for success, but I think hungry is the wrong phrase to use with a certain player.
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Whinging and moaning because they are told to improve their fitness by doing a bit more running, all on a wage of £50,000pw +.
Most professional footballers are complete and utter wankers.
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Well I'd guess they're trying to sack Dunne for Gross Misconduct, he is a +£5m wage liability over his remaining 2 years and seems now to be doing more damage than good
I suspect the PFA will be countering any attempt to do this so may end in stalemate
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I would like to think so wiki, cheaper option is to sack him and it seems we have good grounds - stuff gordon Taylor. Maybe when we finally get all the poisonous troublemakers out we can finally move forward- looks as if Collins will be fit on Saturday and we may need him- he should be on a fine and final warning , but dunne has offended before- sack the tosser!
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Whinging and moaning because they are told to improve their fitness by doing a bit more running, all on a wage of £50,000pw +.
Most professional footballers are complete and utter wankers.
It doesn't matter how much they are on they still have a right to say whether they like training routines or not. If an experienced player believes that the training is counter-productive and not conducive to playing better on a Saturday, and may even lead to tired and weary legs on a saturday then not only do they have a right to express it, but also a duty to do so.
But where Dunne has let himself down is the manner of his challenge to the staff. It seems that Dunne is more singled out in the report above so I presume that Dunne is more of the ringleader. Anybody who has played football within the pyramid system will know that training does through up those that dissent and may not get on with the staff, you will also find those that like the new methods. Each to their own.
It was all done behind closed doors so again, there is absolutely nothing wrong, or extraordinary about it. But if Dunne has manhandled Sid, or whichever member of staff it is, and then tables were damaged then that's a different question. He got peed and did something stupid.
Its a long way back for him and gives the club the excuse needed - if they need one - to replace him at the end of the season. Its vital we do that anyway - but not just him, the whole back 5 needs to be looked at.
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One report referred to a length of dividing trestle being knocked off but wasn't aware of any fisticuffs or tables being damaged ? Is this just heresay ?
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I'd be highly cautious when it comes to what was reported as having happened. They may well be right but speculating usually ramps up the evilness of the player('s) action in our eyes, so we may as well wait for the outcome.
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If it was just a few raised voices then it would not have resulted in high level investigations and the PFA involvement.
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Well I'd guess they're trying to sack Dunne for Gross Misconduct, he is a +£5m wage liability over his remaining 2 years and seems now to be doing more damage than good
I suspect the PFA will be countering any attempt to do this so may end in stalemate
Stick him with the kids and never let him weat the shirt again and then move him out in the summer. Sacking him will inevitably drag the club through the mire of endless recriminations which we do not want.
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If it was just a few raised voices then it would not have resulted in high level investigations and the PFA involvement.
Clearly something more serious went on, but speculating as to what is counter-productive. We may find that it was something as simple as knocking someone's arm away when they were trying to calm somebody down. That person then over-balanced and caught the edge of the table with an outstretched hand to steady himself and he and the table went over. It may be a s simple as that, it may not. We don't know. But I'm simply saying that the rough outline we have will lead to the players villification before we know what transpired.
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DO NOT bloody stick him with the kids!!!
Jesus H Christ, man. You want HIS attitude rubbing off? No way.
Stick him on toilet cleaning duties.
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DO NOT bloody stick him with the kids!!!
Jesus H Christ, man. You want HIS attitude rubbing off? No way.
Stick him on toilet cleaning duties.
Agreed. The reserves have lost three on the trot since Beye and Warnock started playing for them. When was the last time that happened?
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Everyone I know is working longer hours for the same money and they arn't on 2.5 a year. Sorry Peter don't agree with your argument at all, they have no right to question the way they are trained, if they don't like it ask for a transfer.
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There are ways of asking and ways of asking
If that fat c*** Dunne was unhappy with having to run more - (a bit surprising for a professional athelete but there you go) he only had to have a quite word with the coaching staff
I wish they would sack the pair of them although it wont happen.
Surely thay must have a clause in their contract regarding gross misconduct, I'm sure Wigan terminated Marlon kings contract when he got sent to prison.
However, knowing todays contracts if they are guilty of gross misconduct they get a pay rise
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interesting article on mirror website-
Champneys have generously agreed to pick up the bill for repairs to furniture damaged during Richard Dunne and James Collins' controversial drinking session.
But their ill-advised boozing bender, which led to a stormy confrontation with coach Gordon Cowans and club staff, may still end up totaling hundreds of thousands of pounds in fines.
And I fear the actual cost to Aston Villa could be much greater, with the club's Premier League status in jeopardy.
Villa are just two points off the relegation zone ahead of Saturday's crunch visit by fellow strugglers Wolves.
But it is clear some of the divisions, splits and rows in the camp which dogged the early days of Gerard Houllier's reign have resurfaced despite him bombing out misfits like John Carew and Stephen Ireland in January.
And there surely cannot be a worse time for any club to be fighting internal strife than during a relegation run-in.
Now, I am aware that some Villa fans are very unhappy with the press and think we are all making Dunne and Collins' drinking session out to be a much bigger issue than it is.
Granted, most Brits love a few drinks, but Villa's response - involving their in-house lawyer and Human Resources department and trying to fine the players more than the PFA's recommended two-week sanctions - shows just how seriously the club are taking it.
And surely fans can appreciate the gravity of the situation when two senior players, who have both captained the club in the last 12 months, flout rules and show a complete lack of respect for the management.
For starters, what kind of example is that to set Villa's very young squad?
At the moment, the likes of Marc Albrighton, Ciaran Clark, Nathan Delfouneso and co have been model young pros.
But the club do not want them to start believing this sort of behaviour by Dunne and Collins is acceptable.
The pair were allowed a few drinks at Champneys Spa last week, as first reported by MirrorFootball last week , but getting totally wrecked while representing the club on a bonding trip and slagging off the manager and his staff - while knocking over a dining room dividing screen in the process - shows a complete lack of respect for everything and everyone connected with Villa.
Their actions simply cannot be tolerated and that is why Villa are so furious.
If Dunne and Collins went unpunished it would encourage total anarchy at the club - and all footballers tend to take a few liberties anyway.
So if fans want to blame the press for reporting this story, then I suggest any grievances would be better channeled by urging Messrs Dunne and Collins to start giving better value for money on and off the pitch.
Dunne is paid £53,000-a-week, which is more than most people collect in a year, and Collins got a big pay-rise to leave West Ham.
It all contributes to the huge £80million annual wage bill Villa are left with following former manager Martin O'Neill's spending spree, so relegation would be an absolute financial disaster.
If senior players are going to slaughter the boss behind his back and undermine him, then it is clearly not going to help results and unify the dressing room behind Houllier, which is what the club needs right now.
Dunne was outstanding last season following his £5million move from Manchester City, but his form has been poor this season and he has not looked fully fit to me.
So I would have thought supporters would want a few answers. I wrote in December that I thought something was up with Dunne when I first heard he liked a drink.
Now this sorry episode has occurred and the locally-based press are not merely using it as a stick to beat Villa for a laugh.
Houllier has actually won a lot of friends in the press for his admirable stance in trying to rebuild Villa by changing the whole working environment for players and demanding more from them - such as living near the club and training harder .
And I actually think his tough stance over this latest misdemeanour is admirable.
But thrusting Dunne and Collins into a legal row against the club is a dangerous decision at this late stage of the season.
Personally, I am not sure the pair will be either considered or picked to play for Villa at the moment - or would want to.
As it happens, they are both currently injured, but Villa have a worrying lack of options in defence anyway due to various ailments, suspensions and Houllier's freezing out of Habib Beye and Stephen Warnock.
So the Dunne and Collins incident is even more untimely, and that's another reason their behaviour is so outrageous and surely fit to be both highlighted and condemned
Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/james-nursey/Why-the-true-cost-of-Richard-Dunne-and-James-Collins-boozy-antics-could-be-Aston-Villa-s-place-in-the-Premier-League-
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Is it me or have The Mirror made a bigger fuss about this than any of the other papers. I see Mr Nursey even managed to get his 'opinion' across on WM the other night.
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My guess is the club have recently opened up the communication lines with the press and James Nursey is just taking advantage of it, what with Villa being on his list. The reporting from the Mirror has been the best it's been for a long time, Villa wise. No complaints here.
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Not sure but Champneys may have an angle here also, just keep that in mind
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SSN-Reporting AVFC have disciplined players don't know what yet though
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From @AVFC official twitter feed:
Gerard Houllier reveals Richard Dunne and James Collins disciplined. Manager happy club have acted "quickly and strongly."
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Fined two weeks wages and a final warning is my guess.
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Villa duo disciplined for spa spat
(UKPA) – 24 minutes ago
The Aston Villa duo of James Collins and Richard Dunne have been disciplined after being involved in a row with coaching staff during a team bonding session.
Villa manager Gerard Houllier confirmed the club have "reacted strongly" to the behaviour of Dunne and his central defensive partner Collins at a health spa in Leicestershire last week.
The pair have had to explain their actions at club disciplinary panels during the past 48 hours although Houllier was not directly involved.
Villa are also not confirming the exact nature of the punishment handed out to Dunne and Collins.
Houllier said: "There was no fracas, but Dunne and Collins have been disciplined and this is all I can say on the matter.
"The club has reacted strongly and quickly, and now we move on to what is most important for us, the game against Wolverhampton at the weekend.
"It was dealt with quickly and strongly by the club but also internally, but I am not going into details.
"I am not going to talk specifically about what happened in this incident. That's it."
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So according to Nursey there are divisions, splits and rows in the Villa camp. I'm just glad he never found out about the schisms, factions, fissures, rifts and disagreements
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Thank goodness he did not notice that it happened at an event planned to bond, unite, consolidate, join and coalesce the players.
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Sad to say Brian, damon is guilty of empiricist reductionism in his analysis, having no grasp of the dialectical method.
Or else he hasn't taken enough of the right drugs.
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Sad to say Brian, damon is guilty of empiricist reductionism in his analysis, having no grasp of the dialectical method.
Or else he hasn't taken enough of the right drugs.
^^ this?
* adopts gruffer voice*
^^ THIS!!
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So they will be considered if and when fit , I wonder if Collins will play on Saturday then- dunne is very lucky to keep his contract , let's hope they both perform their best when selected and keep their noses clean.
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So, the two fatties don't like running. Their performances on the pitch have been piss poor so as I see it they don't have an argument.
Play Clark, Cuellar, Baker, Young and Walker in defence for the rest of the season and fuck off the 'Billy Big Bollocks' wankers like Dunne, Collins, Warnock, Carew, Ireland and Petrov. I'd rather play the kids with the right attitude and get relegated than watch these tossers.
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2318452,00.html
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So they will be considered if and when fit , I wonder if Collins will play on Saturday then- dunne is very lucky to keep his contract , let's hope they both perform their best when selected and keep their noses clean.
Collins and Dunne are both injured and wont play Saturday and as for Dunne losing his contract that was never going to happen
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From that report it seems we have only one available centre back - Carlos Cuellar - for Saturday. The defensive line-up should be interesting.
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Walker Cuellar Baker Delph
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From that report it seems we have only one available centre back - Carlos Cuellar - for Saturday. The defensive line-up should be interesting.
I have come up with Walker, Baker, Cuellar, Delph although I personally think we need Delph in midfield so I would recall Warnock
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Sad to admit chrome our Damon does not have a dialectical method. He can do a very very good brummie dialect but he does not have one, his work being what it is.
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I was thinking Baker could play at centre back but Gerard Houllier may think Wolves will play only one up front which could mean a change in formation to 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 or variants of these - however I doubt this.
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Walker cuellar baker and delph seems the option available on Saturday- we have the attacking threat though and although we may concede a couple I think we will still win.
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So according to Nursey there are divisions, splits and rows in the Villa camp. I'm just glad he never found out about the schisms, factions, fissures, rifts and disagreements
I am thinking if divisions have split into rows or rows are now in divisions or divisions now really in rows but there is no split in divisions as any rows split into divisions will now be squares. This is so confusing...does anyone other than Nursery know just what sort of shape we are in at Villa Park?
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Play Clark, Cuellar, Baker, Young and Walker in defence for the rest of the season and fuck off the 'Billy Big Bollocks' wankers like Dunne, Collins, Warnock, Carew, Ireland and Petrov. I'd rather play the kids with the right attitude and get relegated than watch these tossers.
Oh dear please reread these last few posts and ask yourselves why on earth Villa might be considered safe from relegation. Imagine proposing Walker Clark Baker Delph as the defence before GH arrived.
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Walker Cuellar Baker Delph
That will do. Good enough for Wolves.
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Could have been aftab, if the others are all out injured or suspended which they are. Makoun will be back, and I would imagine will sit into the centre of the park with Reo Coker to give a shield from open play at least. Unless he starts Pires, which is possible and logical after his display in our last home game.
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On my birthday there was a knock on the door. I opened up and there were two pairs of conjoined equidistant straight lines. It eas a parallelogram
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Walker Cuellar Baker Warnock
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I admit that I skipped a few pages so I'm jot sure whether this has been mentioned but I find it interesting that it was Delph that stood up to the two drunkards.
Do people think that the divisions are as simple as those that want to train hard and learn are happy (ie probably younger players) whereas the older experienced players who want an easier life are the ones causing the problems?
Either way my respect for Delph has increased a lot following this mess.
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I do wonder if having a foreign manager has a part to play in the reaction from the older more experienced players. We had a very British squad, certainly nearly all very used to the English league and a very old fashioned manager to suit. Then a French manager comes in, new ideas on football, fitness diet and work ethics and it becomes a culture thing?
Who knows but the youngsters do seem to want to learn, adapt and give it a go.
At the start of this season when the injuries kicked in (and I reckon that had nothing to do with GH methods) it was the older pros who were letting us down week in week out.
As I keep saying though like many others, the sooner we ship them out the better.
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Grauniad (http://)
Aston Villa's Richard Dunne and James Collins fined two weeks' wages
* Stuart James
* guardian.co.uk, Thursday 17 March 2011 22.00 GMT
Aston Villa have fined Richard Dunne and James Collins the maximum two weeks' wages for their part in the drink-fuelled fracas that took place during a team-bonding exercise in Leicestershire last week. Both players have accepted the club's disciplinary action, although Villa had tried to impose much heavier fines only to be prevented from doing so after the Professional Footballers' Association became involved.
Villa questioned Dunne and Collins on Tuesday, as part of an internal investigation chaired by Robin Russell, the chief finance officer, and informed the players 48 hours later that their behaviour at Champneys Springs spa would cost them a total of £200,000 between them. Their pay packets would have been lighter still had Villa got their way but clubs can fine players more than two weeks' wages only in consultation with the PFA. On this occasion the players' union felt a stiffer punishment was not appropriate.
It is understood that Dunne and Collins are aggrieved Villa have not taken disciplinary action against any of the backroom staff involved in the heated argument that broke out after the manager, Gérard Houllier, left the premises to attend the Champions League game between Tottenham Hotspur and Milan.
The duo, however, begrudgingly accepted their fines after coming to the conclusion they would do themselves more harm than good if they appealed and tried to fight the punishment.
Houllier was keen to try to draw a line under the episode. "Richard Dunne and James Collins have been disciplined and as far as I'm concerned this is the end of the matter," he said. "The club have dealt with the incident strongly, quickly but now we move on to the main target which is Wolverhampton [on Saturday]."
Remarkably Houllier claimed that the row last week, which is the latest in a long line of off-field problems he has had to deal with since he took over at Villa Park in September, did no damage to team morale. "I don't think so because first of all the players have quickly apologised privately and publicly," he said. "Also it didn't affect the team-bonding exercise. It happened when people had gone to bed. All I can tell you is what we did in two days; the players enjoyed it. It was great team-bonding activity. It was just unfortunate that the incident happened."
Houllier said he "doesn't take anything personal" and claimed that Dunne and Collins, who are injured and will miss the Wolves game, still have a part to play at the club. "I've got a long capacity for forgiveness, which is very useful in football. I trust players, I trust people. I think I can be tough but I'm a nice man. I don't bully, I don't shout. [But] trust is always two-way."
The Frenchman also defended his decision to leave the spa premises, along with his assistant, Gary McAllister, to go to the Spurs match. "When they came to the meal we said we would leave the players together with other members of staff. I know from experience that sometimes players like to be on their own but I don't regret what we set up. Even the following day went well, the therapy and the massage."
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So all the who hah was a waste of time
From a Clubs perspective who the fucking hell draws up the contracts?
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So all the who hah was a waste of time
From a Clubs perspective who the fucking hell draws up the contracts?
It is a little disappointing isn't it, although we don't know the full details of what went on. I have a suspicion that a line has been drawn under it for the sake of the team and the season, but come July one or both will be sold/jettisoned. I hope so anyway.
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OK a line is drawn under it now.....lets all drink to that !
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So all the who hah was a waste of time
From a Clubs perspective who the fucking hell draws up the contracts?
It is a little disappointing isn't it, although we don't know the full details of what went on. I have a suspicion that a line has been drawn under it for the sake of the team and the season, but come July one or both will be sold/jettisoned. I hope so anyway.
Totally agree
Any player who takes the piss more than once needs to go
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Expensive night out for Dunne - £106k ouch
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Why is it that the maximum fine for a player is only 2 weeks wages?
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The thing is though Wiki it's the equivalent of fining an ordinary bloke 500-1000 quid
I hope the fat bastard Dunne stays conveniently injured until the end of the season then he gets shipped out to the fizy pop.
I always liked Collins but this is his second time taking the piss so he can do one as well
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PFA Rules / guidelines
Thought they were going to hit Dunne harder - 6 weeks ??
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It does appear they are a couple of rotten apples, so fuck them off
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PFA Rules / guidelines
Thought they were going to hit Dunne harder - 6 weeks ??
Sorry, what I meant was what is the legal basis behind this? It's certainly not EU law because in the Armed Forces you can be fined a lot more than just 2 weeks pay (trust me, I know!)
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With all the huffing and puffing the club was doing i.e 6 weeks wages fines and bring your lawyers, they get nothing different.
Call me stupid but surely there must be something in their contracts regarding gross misconduct and bringing the club into disrepute??
I used to work for a Blue Chip company and on a works only do a manager got pissed and a bit lairy. He had 25 years service and the next day they hauled him and said his options were to resign or get sacked.
It shows how shit the contracts must be if that gimp Taylor can fight on your side and you still win.
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PFA Rules / guidelines
Thought they were going to hit Dunne harder - 6 weeks ??
Sorry, what I meant was what is the legal basis behind this? It's certainly not EU law because in the Armed Forces you can be fined a lot more than just 2 weeks pay (trust me, I know!)
No idea mate, if punches were thrown, in most workplaces you'd be gone for Gross Misconduct
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The last three weeks have been depressing. Lets hope we can turn it around tomorrow
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PFA Rules / guidelines
Thought they were going to hit Dunne harder - 6 weeks ??
Sorry, what I meant was what is the legal basis behind this? It's certainly not EU law because in the Armed Forces you can be fined a lot more than just 2 weeks pay (trust me, I know!)
It's employment terms and conditions, most organisations will have a set of sanctions agreed between management and the union.
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From the report I read dunne and Collins were unhappy cowans wasn't punished too as according to the report all 3 were the worse for wear through drinking, anyway let's get to June and offload both.
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So under what circumstances can you fine a player more than two weeks wages?
Rape? Murder? Child Molesting? I'm sure the best paid union boss in the world would find a way to justify his memebers.
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To be fair I think that would be more down the sacking route.
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To be fair I think that would be more down the sacking route.
I know, but I was just doing my "Outraged of Coleshill" bit.
And to be fair, probably everyone else in the world would be facing the sack for what they did.
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PFA Rules / guidelines
Thought they were going to hit Dunne harder - 6 weeks ??
Sorry, what I meant was what is the legal basis behind this? It's certainly not EU law because in the Armed Forces you can be fined a lot more than just 2 weeks pay (trust me, I know!)
It's employment terms and conditions, most organisations will have a set of sanctions agreed between management and the union.
So it seems the PFA (Union) have the football clubs by the bollocks then.
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So under what circumstances can you fine a player more than two weeks wages?
Rape? Murder? Child Molesting? I'm sure the best paid union boss in the world would find a way to justify his memebers.
If they break the law rather than breach internal discipline I assume.
The truth is we don't know what happened here, we have seen some reports but nothing of substance as to what exactly they were disciplined over.
Althoug natural curiosity means I'd like to know I accept that from the point of view of the club the best thing is to keep it in house, we don't need more headlines dragging this on for weeks.
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So under what circumstances can you fine a player more than two weeks wages?
Rape? Murder? Child Molesting? I'm sure the best paid union boss in the world would find a way to justify his memebers.
If they break the law rather than breach internal discipline I assume.
The truth is we don't know what happened here, we have seen some reports but nothing of substance as to what exactly they were disciplined over.
Althoug natural curiosity means I'd like to know I accept that from the point of view of the club the best thing is to keep it in house, we don't need more headlines dragging this on for weeks.
Well said, Chris. It will probably come out when one or both of the players have moved clubs. Ultimately, whatever internal damage / discipline has been done / meted out regardless of our own morbid curiosity!
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Damage already done. Club name dragged through mud via the tabloids
Both players unavailable for tomorrow and beyond ??
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PFA Rules / guidelines
Thought they were going to hit Dunne harder - 6 weeks ??
Sorry, what I meant was what is the legal basis behind this? It's certainly not EU law because in the Armed Forces you can be fined a lot more than just 2 weeks pay (trust me, I know!)
It's employment terms and conditions, most organisations will have a set of sanctions agreed between management and the union.
So it seems the PFA (Union) have the football clubs by the bollocks then.
Union??? How many companies nowadays have unions??? In my area of work, none of them do.
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DO NOT bloody stick him with the kids!!!
Jesus H Christ, man. You want HIS attitude rubbing off? No way.
Stick him on toilet cleaning duties.
Excellent Idea Troy! As well as fines and apologies dissent in the ranks of the first team should be met with community order style punishment, Hoover the offices, get on a scaffold and polish the AVFC sign, serve tea at board meetings, pick up fag butts littered around the concourses and clean the toilets.
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BONDING SESSION EVENING SUPPLEMENT.
Just finished Paddy's Day bonding session...
Hash cakes washed down with a Tonne of Guinness=No Hangover.
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Union??? How many companies nowadays have unions??? In my area of work, none of them do.
Your area of work? You're using the term in it's loosest possible sense.
UCW & STE for Telco's
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Union??? How many companies nowadays have unions??? In my area of work, none of them do.
Your area of work? You're using the term in it's loosest possible sense.
UCW & STE for Telco's
There are over 7 million union members in the UK.
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The story i heard was that Dunne threatened Sid with a chair leg !!!
Sid definatley wanted it took further and considered pressing charges through the police
Both Dunne and Collins told last night to attend Villa park with there legal representatives as the club were considering terminating there contracts
All then swept under the carpet by Houllier,as he wants as many players available for the run in
Both gone in the summer.
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I'll be sort if sad to see Collins go. Dunne can bugger off now if he wants.
Serious question, how well do Dunne and Stephen Ireland get on ? Has he got the hump with Houllier and the staff about his "mate" ?
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I can't believe we didn't sack Dunne if what is alledged to have happpened did. The club would surely have been on safe grounds re unfair dismissal and save his £55k a week contract for the next 2 seasons. There is no chance of moving him on in the summer on those wages without paying most of it ourselves. Missed opportunity that we will regret methinks.
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Christ what a great season this has been
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Let's just see it through and hopefully stay up then we can concentrate on next season.
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The story i heard was that Dunne threatened Sid with a chair leg !!!
Sid definatley wanted it took further and considered pressing charges through the police
Both Dunne and Collins told last night to attend Villa park with there legal representatives as the club were considering terminating there contracts
All then swept under the carpet by Houllier,as he wants as many players available for the run in
Both gone in the summer.
Cannot quote source - Dunne had 12 disciplinary charges levelled against him .
Suffice to say the Club`s legal advisors seem to think that the culmination of charges, if proven, will render dismissal a possibility.
The confrontation was with a "French member of staff"
Dunne accepts he was drunk but cannot understand why the club "encouraged" players to drink excessively via an "open bar" bearing in mind he previously had a "drink problem" (Whatever happened to self discipline?)
Has Houllier "set this up" to entice certain individuals to sign their own "death warrant"?
I understand that Dunne has no time for Houllier whatsoever and will be looking to get out in the summer - incidentally he is not even bothered if the club fine him £300K - that says a lot about the people we pay to watch .
If Houllier is a Disciplinarian I commend him for his efforts to restore some semblance of order to the club - but it begs the question what has Randy been doing over the last few years in this area?
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PFA Rules / guidelines
Thought they were going to hit Dunne harder - 6 weeks ??
Sorry, what I meant was what is the legal basis behind this? It's certainly not EU law because in the Armed Forces you can be fined a lot more than just 2 weeks pay (trust me, I know!)
It's employment terms and conditions, most organisations will have a set of sanctions agreed between management and the union.
Maybe in the public sector (mind you, everyone knows you lot are practically on holiday anyway), but I doubt many private companies other than gigantic ones will have those sort of agreements with unions these days.
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Has Houllier "set this up" to entice certain individuals to sign their own "death warrant"?
I did wonder this when I first heard the story.
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If Houllier is a Disciplinarian I commend him for his efforts to restore some semblance of order to the club - but it begs the question what has Randy been doing over the last few years in this area?
I should imagine he's left it in the hands of the manager.
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even with all the shit thats going on at villa ,please its backs against the wall so lets all pull together .... dunne can fuck off
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Wish my union was that good.
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Someone at work you'd like to throw over a table, Sandie?
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BONDING SESSION GAME.
The left hand drinking game is a great one....i guess Collins/Dunne must have had there left hands tied to their ankles if they got that butchered.
Ideal for stag parties and the like,normally starts with jolly banter but always ends in Chaos with 2/3 persons totally fucked within about 2 hours.
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Dunne accepts he was drunk but cannot understand why the club "encouraged" players to drink excessively via an "open bar" bearing in mind he previously had a "drink problem" (Whatever happened to self discipline?)
Cheeky cnut. They are the words of a legal representative and no mistake. As soon as Dicky saw the bar he rubbed his hands in glee.
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Dunne and Collins should be sold in the summer obviously. It's not as if they are all that good anyway really. But what of this French fitness coach. I'm not defending the behaviour of the players here, but his presence managed to derail the French world cup effort and now it's derailed our season. There's obviously something about him that pisses a lot of people off, so that particular situation surely needs looking at.
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Probably the fact that he is a fitness coach - therefore he makes them all run and stuff.
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Probably the fact that he is a fitness coach - therefore he makes them all run and stuff.
Well, i wouldn't get on with him for that reason alone, but i can't see professional players being the same as me. I think there is somethink else about him, the uproar he's managed to cause in 2 seperate camps within 12 months is a bit odd even by modern ass hole professional footballer standards.
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But what of this French fitness coach....but his presence managed to derail the French world cup effort and now it's derailed our season.
Don't mean to be rude or anything, but: utter bollocks! FAIL!
Duverne, fitness coach for the French national team had a go at the Evra, captain of those useless tossers known as Les Bleus because they were refusing to train*, live on TV at the World Cup. He then walked off the field, throwing his stopwatch (or accreditation badge, don't know which) disgusted with what was happening.
It's like blaming, say, Sid for fucking up the bonding session at Champney's. Preposterous.
* they were "on strike" because "L'équipe" newspaper published an article saying Anelka insulted Domenech in the dressing room and the French FA then sent him home. Duverne did not upset the French players.
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Is it true Cowans was on the piss with them?
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Is it true Cowans was on the piss with them?
Not with them i dont think ,but i read cowans was worse for wear and they were arguing with him and apparently very angry that the club took no action against cowans - there are so many different stories in the papers though that who knows what to believe.
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version (could be complete bollix) I heard was that Dunne and Collins were on the piss with Cowans. Cowans by all accounts isnt too gone on Houllier, McAllister and Duverne. They all got pissed and then the finger pointing started. Dunne and Collins are seething as they think Cowans is only getting off cos he is a Villa legend but is every bit to blame. Two clowns getting pissed when recovering from injury and they wonder why their form has slipped this season.
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One minute its paintballing and spa massages together, and the next is drunken bust up. Its the last thing we need right now.
People always reckon paintballing together will bind colleagues together in pursuit of a common aim.
In reality it does the total opposite. How can you ever trust a man who stalks you in a forest with the intention of shooting you ever again?
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I'd love to go paintballing with my colleagues. I'd rip the masks off most of them and shoot the fuckers in the eyes from 10cm.
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But what of this French fitness coach....but his presence managed to derail the French world cup effort and now it's derailed our season.
Don't mean to be rude or anything, but: utter bollocks! FAIL!
Duverne, fitness coach for the French national team had a go at the Evra, captain of those useless tossers known as Les Bleus because they were refusing to train*, live on TV at the World Cup. He then walked off the field, throwing his stopwatch (or accreditation badge, don't know which) disgusted with what was happening.
It's like blaming, say, Sid for fucking up the bonding session at Champney's. Preposterous.
* they were "on strike" because "L'équipe" newspaper published an article saying Anelka insulted Domenech in the dressing room and the French FA then sent him home. Duverne did not upset the French players.
How the fuck do you know?
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But what of this French fitness coach....but his presence managed to derail the French world cup effort and now it's derailed our season.
Don't mean to be rude or anything, but: utter bollocks! FAIL!
Duverne, fitness coach for the French national team had a go at the Evra, captain of those useless tossers known as Les Bleus because they were refusing to train*, live on TV at the World Cup. He then walked off the field, throwing his stopwatch (or accreditation badge, don't know which) disgusted with what was happening.
It's like blaming, say, Sid for fucking up the bonding session at Champney's. Preposterous.
* they were "on strike" because "L'équipe" newspaper published an article saying Anelka insulted Domenech in the dressing room and the French FA then sent him home. Duverne did not upset the French players.
How the fuck do you know?
I think it's come to light since that is what happened.
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Oh OK. It must have been completely the players fault in the French camp, and completely the players fault at the Villa. There is nothing wrong with either management regime whatsoever. This is the same Patrice Evra who has played consistantly for Man Utd and Alex Ferguson (who suffers no fools), the same Nicolas Anelka who despite problems early in his career played a big part in a Chelsea double winning side a month before the world cup. Plus a squad full of other successful club players. And the same Richard Dunne that was excellent last season, and a divided squad full of players who, apart from a few moaning about playing, were largely united last season and got to wembley twice and 6th in the league. Like i said, the players in both situations to do what they did were wrong and deserved what they got, and possibly more. However, common sense would tell you that neither camp were being handled / managed properly for the situations to arise in the first place. Maybe i'm misinformed to single Duverne out, but he's the common denominator in both camps. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but since i know about as much as you do about what goes on behind the scenes, i'll fell free to draw my own conclusions.
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But what of this French fitness coach....but his presence managed to derail the French world cup effort and now it's derailed our season.
Don't mean to be rude or anything, but: utter bollocks! FAIL!
Duverne, fitness coach for the French national team had a go at the Evra, captain of those useless tossers known as Les Bleus because they were refusing to train*, live on TV at the World Cup. He then walked off the field, throwing his stopwatch (or accreditation badge, don't know which) disgusted with what was happening.
It's like blaming, say, Sid for fucking up the bonding session at Champney's. Preposterous.
* they were "on strike" because "L'équipe" newspaper published an article saying Anelka insulted Domenech in the dressing room and the French FA then sent him home. Duverne did not upset the French players.
How the fuck do you know?
With respect, may I suggest you tread very carefully here? Bad English's knowledge of France/and all things French is - to say the very least - extensive.
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Well, mate, for a start, I have lived in France for 25 years and this story was blanket news 24/7 all fucking summer. The fucking manager read out the players' statement live on TV explaining why they were striking. The French press, the telly, the internet, everywhere banged on about it for months. They even sent the Minister of Sport (a Hattie Jacques lookalike with a degree from the Margaret Thatcher School of Condescension) to bollock the team at their hotel.
Oh, and to help you draw your own conclusions, there was a suspicion that Duverne may have been the mole in the camp leaking news and that may have been one of the reasons Evra and he had a barney. However, Patrice Evra gave an interview [Here it is (http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/breves2010/20100620_190027_evra-duverne-pas-le-traitre.html), in French, which I speak fluently and is how I know about this] just after the "clash" in which he formally stated that [He] "vigorously den[ies] reports in the media that we were refusing to train because we though that the so-called 'traitor' in the camp was Robert Duverne. This is completely untrue. Robert has always had our complete confidence, both on the field in our preparation and training, and off the field in the day to day life of the squad"
Duverne vs Evra was just a symbol. Duverne couldn't believe that the French national squad were refusing to train just before a vital World Cup game. He went ape at the captain. He did his job.
You speak of a common denominator. Well, you are looking in the wrong place. There is one though. His name is Houllier, the man who was instrumental in keeping mad dog Domenech in a job after the abject French failure at Euro 2008 and thus planting the seeds of the South Africa fiasco. Houllier, the current manager of Aston "Oh fuck! Don't look down" Villa.
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Oh OK. It must have been completely the players fault in the French camp, and completely the players fault at the Villa. There is nothing wrong with either management regime whatsoever. This is the same Patrice Evra who has played consistantly for Man Utd and Alex Ferguson (who suffers no fools), the same Nicolas Anelka who despite problems early in his career played a big part in a Chelsea double winning side a month before the world cup. Plus a squad full of other successful club players. And the same Richard Dunne that was excellent last season, and a divided squad full of players who, apart from a few moaning about playing, were largely united last season and got to wembley twice and 6th in the league. Like i said, the players in both situations to do what they did were wrong and deserved what they got, and possibly more. However, common sense would tell you that neither camp were being handled / managed properly for the situations to arise in the first place. Maybe i'm misinformed to single Duverne out, but he's the common denominator in both camps. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but since i know about as much as you do about what goes on behind the scenes, i'll fell free to draw my own conclusions.
You can draw your own conclusions, but BE's description of events is exactly what happened at the World Cup.
Any conclusions you draw about him having "derailed the French World Cup" are factually incorrect.
As for suggesting Anelka isn't a trouble magnet ....
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While we're on the subject, Duverne also said that Anelka's barney with Domenech was nothing really: "du pipi de chat" "cat's wee" is the French expression he used. He said it was "bleedin' worse in 2006 and we got to the final [with the same physical prep trainer, one may note] and it was nothing compared to some of da shit I saw in the dressing room at Lyon"
(OK, I'm loosely translating here, but that is what he said in essence).
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Can anybody confirm what I'm hearing that Collins passed his fitness test for Wales, the day after our game where he was deemed unfit to play ??
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Can anybody confirm what I'm hearing that Collins passed his fitness test for Wales, the day after our game where he was deemed unfit to play ??
On the Beeb this morning they said he has delayed joining up with the Wales squad due to a calf injury
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Can anybody confirm what I'm hearing that Collins passed his fitness test for Wales, the day after our game where he was deemed unfit to play ??
On the Beeb this morning they said he has delayed joining up with the Wales squad due to a calf injury
Thanks CJ
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I still wonder just how many times last seasons defence has played together this
The defence in the last 2 games has been a mish mash of make do's be it due to injury, upset players or suspensions.
That said we still have one of the best on paper set of forwards outside of the top 5 so why have we not scored enough goals, especially as we have not conceded masses of goals in a game, just important goals at the wrong time.
Wolves took full advantage of a crazy defence pick, yet they rarely troubled the goal otherwise, not that the might of Young, Bent, Albrighton, Downing, did much to help the situation out.
Why?
Because they expected problems, had no confidence and played like it.
That is down to the manager not doing his job, no doubt hindered by the pre match problems midweek and earlier.
The club needs shaking up, before its beyond repair, but who is there in the club to do it. Mon couldn't when things went iffy, and we rarely won a game past Xmas, Houllier looks no different.
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I think if we had a fit Dunne, Collins and Cuellar in the team for the rest of the season we would stay up easy enough.