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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PaulTheVillan on March 03, 2011, 10:12:51 AM
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in Martin O'Neill dispute with us. Over departure in August, means case will be settled by a tribunal.
http://www.twitter.com/OliverKayTimes
I thought he was on a rolling one year deal? He walked didn't he?
hhhhmmm
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I never even knew there was a dispute!
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The plot thickens....
Maybe we will get to know the real reasons behind mon leaving the club,always thought it was strange mon never spoke about it but now we know why if it's going to go to tribunal.
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Interesting alrite...we also havent seen him as a guest pundit on any tv show since he left.
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in Martin O'Neill dispute with us. Over departure in August, means case will be settled by a tribunal.
http://www.twitter.com/OliverKayTimes
I thought he was on a rolling one year deal? He walked didn't he?
hhhhmmm
Think you're right he was on a rolling one year contract so the assumption is he was under contract for another year or so. Tribunal involvement seems to suggest his 'walking' may have been with some assistance? Maybe the discussion was along the lines of....
MON: 'If you don't give me the Milner money I'll walk'
RL: 'Well, I'm not giving you the Milner money until you offload some of the deadwood you've bought'
MON: ' So you're not giving me the money, and I'll take you for constructive dismissal'
I suppose given MON's propensity for things legal we shouldn't be surprised, but whether we actually get to hear the real story is another matter
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He fucking walked out.
I sincerley hope we tell him to fuck off.
Bottling Four eyed fuck.
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What does Twitter say? I can't see it
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Oliver Kay on twitter
"Stalemate in Martin O'Neill dispute with Aston Villa, over departure in Aug, means case will be settled by a tribunal"
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Walk out on a job and still get compensation. Only in football.....
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Walk out on a job and still get compensation. Only in football.....
As i've said numerous times, banking and football are the two industries that reward failure.
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Richard Keys on Talksport, If you sack a manager , pay him , whats the problem here, eh?? didnt the twat walk out
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Walk out on a job and still get compensation. Only in football.....
Maybe he may owe US compensation ?? ! ....
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Richard Keys on Talksport, If you sack a manager , pay him , whats the problem here, eh?? didnt the twat walk out
Spot on, the person they have just had on said he things it will be settled in favour of MON.
It's a fucking joke, he had the run of the mill and has left us with a shite squad and in a financial mess regarding player wages.
We should be taking him to a tribunal for incompetence the prick.
Football really is a different world when a man can willingly leave a job (leaving the club in the shit) then take them to court for money.
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Richard Keys on Talksport, If you sack a manager , pay him , whats the problem here, eh?? didnt the twat walk out
Keys is a hairy handed misinformed twat.
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Maybe the departure was by the old 'mutual consent'? Didn't both Martin and the board/Randy state they no longer agreed in how to take the club forward?
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Strange. I thought MON and Randy were back on good terms now? If so just agree to disagree. It's not as if MON is short of a couple of quid.
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Strange. I thought MON and Randy were back on good terms now? If so just agree to disagree. It's not as if MON is short of a couple of quid.
Since when did not being short of a couple of quid stop anyone in football trying to get their grubby paws on even more?
Sol Campbell, Cashley Cole, etc etc
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in Martin O'Neill dispute with us. Over departure in August, means case will be settled by a tribunal.
http://www.twitter.com/OliverKayTimes
I thought he was on a rolling one year deal? He walked didn't he?
hhhhmmm
Think you're right he was on a rolling one year contract so the assumption is he was under contract for another year or so. Tribunal involvement seems to suggest his 'walking' may have been with some assistance? Maybe the discussion was along the lines of....
MON: 'If you don't give me the Milner money I'll walk'
RL: 'Well, I'm not giving you the Milner money until you offload some of the deadwood you've bought'
MON: ' So you're not giving me the money, and I'll take you for constructive dismissal'
I suppose given MON's propensity for things legal we shouldn't be surprised, but whether we actually get to hear the real story is another matter
Or he told Lerner that he didn't want Ireland because he's shit and a lazy fucker.
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Richard Keys on Talksport, If you sack a manager , pay him , whats the problem here, eh?? didnt the twat walk out
Keys is a hairy handed misinformed twat.
even thou he was interviewing a guy who runs the LMA and represents MON.. so was he that misinformed?
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What an odious little man. I hate him more now.
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What an odious little man. I hate him more now.
Keys has that affect on me too
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what a cheeky little prick...
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I get he's attempting to argue constructive dismissal on the grounds the club made his position untenable. This was what Curbishley successfully argued against West Ham when they sold Anton Ferdinand against his wishes (I'd argue the Board were right with hindsight!). He might be arguing a similar case with Milner.
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It would be good to have a better understanding of what happened.
He's also suing The Daily Mirror for libel over their claim that he held secret negotiations to become manager of Liverpool Football Club, which is something that many people on here believe to be true.
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Is he going to sue wee Barry Bannan aswell then?
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He fucking walked out.
I sincerley hope we tell him to fuck off.
Bottling Four eyed fuck.
Amazing how those who have this obsession with MON can convince themselves that they know what happened to cause MON to leave the club. Noone here knows a thing and throwing insult after insult will not change it although these hissy fits may make you feel that you do.
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He fucking walked out.
I sincerley hope we tell him to fuck off.
Bottling Four eyed fuck.
Amazing how those who have this obsession with MON can convince themselves that they know what happened to cause MON to leave the club. Noone here knows a thing and throwing insult after insult will not change it although these hissy fits may make you feel that you do.
What we know is what is recorded in the club's returns at Companies House. He resigned. The resignation was accepted.
Nothing about mutual consent. Nothing about sacking. No suggestion that we cried and hung on to his trouser leg as he strode out of Villa Park.
I think he will get a pay-off of some kind, and I hope he invests it wisely.
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The BBC have an article here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/9412724.stm)
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I get he's attempting to argue constructive dismissal on the grounds the club made his position untenable. This was what Curbishley successfully argued against West Ham when they sold Anton Ferdinand against his wishes (I'd argue the Board were right with hindsight!). He might be arguing a similar case with Milner.
But didn't Milner want to leave, not the Villa wanted to sell him?
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I think he will get a pay-off of some kind, and I hope he invests it wisely.
I hope he shoves it up his arse.
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Send him to the LMDA Tribunal instead.
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maybe mon had justifiable reasons for walking out , it would be nice if the truth came out and we knew what pushed him over the edge.
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I think he will get a pay-off of some kind, and I hope he invests it wisely.
I hope he shoves it up his arse.
If Mr O'Neill were my client, I would not hesitate to recommend a rectal deposit fund.
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A millionaire chasing more money. Football really is crap these days.
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I get he's attempting to argue constructive dismissal on the grounds the club made his position untenable. This was what Curbishley successfully argued against West Ham when they sold Anton Ferdinand against his wishes (I'd argue the Board were right with hindsight!). He might be arguing a similar case with Milner.
But didn't Milner want to leave, not the Villa wanted to sell him?
And it didn't make his position untenable - it may have made his ego untenable though.
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I think he will get a pay-off of some kind, and I hope he invests it wisely.
I hope he shoves it up his arse.
With his track record he will invest in a clapped out motor that he then never uses and will have to sell it on for a massive loss, after sitting on his drive doing nothing, but pissing oil (money) down the drain
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By my reckoning he had over £10m in salary out of the club ! and he wants more !! beggars belief
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I think he will get a pay-off of some kind, and I hope he invests it wisely.
I hope he shoves it up his arse.
If Mr O'Neill were my client, I would not hesitate to recommend a rectal deposit fund.
Ah yes, the sideways investment portfolio.
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By my reckoning he had over £10m in salary out of the club ! and he wants more !! beggars belief
Without knowing all the background [and even then don't know it would make that much difference] I don't think morally what he's doing is right, but if it's legal, he's entitled to do it. Which in turn illustrates in many cases the difference between those with the megabucks and those without. Morals are for other people, not those who worship their bank balances and getting even.
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The club would do well to call on all the cry babys on here who have made their mind up about his departure, they seem to be in possesion of the facts while all the rest of us have been left wondering.
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The club would do well to call on all the cry babys on here who have made their mind up about his departure, they seem to be in possesion of the facts while all the rest of us have been left wondering.
The 'cry babys' (sic) are the ones who continue to blindly worship and defend a man who walked out on the club at the worst possible time.
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O'Neill won't stand a chance.
He employs a total of seven lawyers, but mostly uses the one old bloke who he met on holiday in Bulgaria, he's not bad but he uses him for virtually every case, he's badly over worked and makes mistakes.
Villa win.
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The club would do well to call on all the cry babys on here who have made their mind up about his departure, they seem to be in possesion of the facts while all the rest of us have been left wondering.
The 'cry babys' (sic) are the ones who continue to blindly worship and defend a man who walked out on the club at the worst possible time.
I can only speak for myself but I have neither condemned or defended MON in this particular case because I don't know the reason behind his departure.
As for blind worship, I've never come across anyone in or out of football who's worthy. Edie Falco comes close though.
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Did he walk or was he pushed ? If he walked, did we breach his contract in anyway ? Did he not have to give notice ?
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Ridiculous. Heard it on the radio and thought it was a joke.
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from WIKIPEDIA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_O%27Neill)
On 9 August 2010, Martin O'Neill resigned as manager of Aston Villa with immediate effect.
On his departure O'Neill said "I have enjoyed my time at Aston Villa immensely, It's obviously a wrench to be leaving such a magnificent club."[ O'Neill was reportedly unhappy about the funds available for transfers, but his departure just five days before the start of the new season still came as a shock to the club and its players. Lerner issued a statement two days later saying he and O'Neill "no longer shared a common view as to how to move forward."
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I think the disagreement boiled down to this
O'Neill wanted to bankrupt the club and Randy didn't.
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I think he will get a pay-off of some kind, and I hope he invests it wisely.
I hope he shoves it up his arse.
If Mr O'Neill were my client, I would not hesitate to recommend a rectal deposit fund.
Ah yes, the sideways investment portfolio.
And if I were Villa I would pay it in 50p pieces
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I want to take MON to court for nearly fucking something I love. I also want to take Houlier to court for making me believe I was going to see the first team play last night only to see a tribute act in their place.
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It's the Milner cash, pure and simple.
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By my reckoning he had over £10m in salary out of the club ! and he wants more !! beggars belief
and bought people like Beye who will probbaly cost us nearly 10 million in wages etc
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Walk out on a job and still get compensation. Only in football.....
As i've said numerous times, banking and football are the two industries that reward failure.
Only in football, banking, politics, the police force, green energy and farming
they're the only six industries that reward failure...
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It's the Milner cash, pure and simple.
I very much doubt that MON would be able to construct a legal case about not getting the Milner bounty as a case of constructive dismissal, however I Would imagine that the appointment of Faulkner is legally/contractually more dubious as I would guess that there would have been a number or roles and responsibilities which overlap for each job description.
Having someone else do part of you job - so you are not able to - is arguably decent grounds for constructive dismissal (I would guess, I'm certainly no expert).
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Can we not just give him Beye as a fairwell handshake and be done with it?
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Bottling twat. His biggest 'achievement' was doing something a shit Blues team will do this season (and they actually won it, and will reach the FA Cup final), and he spent millions compared to McLeish.
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Unbelievable, have some self respect. You ditched us M'ON how dare you try and get compensation? 'I'm not one to down tools' that was it wasn't it? hmmm.
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He has gone down in my estimation now, I guess he needs the cash as he probably thought he would be in a new job by now!
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I think he will get a pay-off of some kind, and I hope he invests it wisely.
I hope he shoves it up his arse.
If Mr O'Neill were my client, I would not hesitate to recommend a rectal deposit fund.
Ah yes, the sideways investment portfolio.
And if I were Villa I would pay it in 50p pieces
That have been dipped in a tub of "Deep Heat"
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O'Neill won't stand a chance.
He employs a total of seven lawyers, but mostly uses the one old bloke who he met on holiday in Bulgaria, he's not bad but he uses him for virtually every case, he's badly over worked and makes mistakes.
Villa win.
I hope you're right, but think MON may stand a chance, based on the vagaries of human nature. Seven lawyers? WTF does that say? To me it indicates someone who can't let go/move on, has to have the last word etc. I don't like the situation we're in at the moment, but I'm glad he's gone. He's better suited to the pettiness of local politics rather than football management.
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Mon is a man who has great knowledge of the law and I'm sure he would be expecting to win his case , unless there's an out of court settlement it could all get quite revealing.
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He is not a lawyer, though. Nor will he enjoy being cross-examined at a tribunal. He hates his judgement being called into question. I wonder if Villa feel confident enough to call his bluff.
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He left. Where is the dispute there? Or is he being greedy?
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I want to take MON to court for nearly fucking something I love. I also want to take Houlier to court for making me believe I was going to see the first team play last night only to see a tribute act in their place.
I want them in the stocks.
Custard pies at the pair of 'em.
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MON in the stocks......"Terrific" copyright Martin O'Neil 2011
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Send him to the LMDA Tribunal instead.
I am ready let say Tuesday night :)
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I didn't realise it was just some half-arsed tribunal run by the League Managers' association. Villa might just as well not bother attending.
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I didn't realise it was just some half-arsed tribunal run by the League Managers' association. Villa might just as well not bother attending.
Or just send the work-experience kid from the ticket office.
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The defendant would now like to call upon our third witness. Mr Ireland
Ireland: I agree with the defendant. Mr O'Neill thought as well as I do that Birmingham was a crap city and left. But I'm mad, so what do I know...?
@Smithy: Love it! Now have your headlines as a RSS feed in Safari!
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The Villa should sue him for mismanagement of company funds.