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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 09, 2011, 03:45:05 PM
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From sportinglife.com
Aston Villa assistant manager Gary McAllister is hoping the club's recent arrivals will persuade Ashley Young to stay at Villa Park.
Young's future at Villa has been the subject of speculation for some time with the likes of Manchester United, Liverpool and Tottenham all credited with an interest in his services.
The England international has 18 months to run on his current contract and he has put off talks over a new deal until the end of the season.
Villa managed to keep hold of Young during the January transfer window and McAllister hopes the club's show of ambition in breaking their transfer record to sign Darren Bent and also the arrival of Jean Makoun will persuade Young.
"It's a triumph if we keep Ashley for next season and it's a show of intent by everyone here that we want to keep our best players," McAllister told the Daily Star.
"If we keep him, it will mean Ash thinks he can win things with Villa. Hopefully, by the signings we have made we can convince our top players to want to be here."
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I seen that on SSN yesterday, Im past caring now, if he don't sign a deal sell him in the summer
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I would like to keep AY but you never know in football.
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They may as well asked any Villa fan, who would have said the same thing.
Just a none story really.
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Villa coach in "We would like to keep our best players" shocker!
No evidence whatsoever that AY is actually GOING to sign a new contract, just some member of the coaching staff hypothesising on what Ash would be inclined to think should he actually do so. "It would mean he thinks he can win things at Villa". Really, so the fact that he hasn't signed one says what? Oh well, it's not like the Daily Star to have a proper story now is it. Nonsense.
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He'd have signed by now if he had any intentions of staying
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Don't care. Would rather have N'Zogbia. He beats players and scores goals.
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NZogbia is a very good shout
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The frustration is we all know that Ash can do that. You dont suddenly forget how to do it. Im just at a loss that he cant turn out those performances he did 18months ago. I hope its not his head turned by tapping up, or promises. I think he thrives on adoration, and he will only truly get that at VP. Ask Barry and Milner.
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I like the way they make out that we managed to keep him in the January window while Houllier said that there had been no offers for him.
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Will he have the team built around him at Spurs or Chelsea or Arsenal or wherever? I doubt it. Will he get to play in the role he favours where he is not at his best? Not in a million years.
He might not have it as good as he has it here. As long as we can get sack fulls of money for him I don't really care. We already have Albrighton, Downing and Bannan if we get one player in he will be more than replaced. Not 100% on Insomnia I would prefer a creative striker type player myself who can play that second striker role to a t.
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Get him back on the wing and he'll be well worth 80k a week
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Get him back on the wing and he'll be well worth 80k a week
I'd sell Ash for £15 mill and pay £10 mill for N'Zogbia who would cost c. £50k a week and freshen the team up.
I think he'd be great up front with Bent or Gabby.
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I would never sell the Ash of two years ago.
The Ash we have seen this season I would certainly sell. His final ball has gone missing he has little end product. It doesnt help that he is clearly not suited to the hole.
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I'd freshen up the team but not with Nzogbia he has an attitude problem and not in a good way
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hes not starting tonight so maybe he will come on and dazzle the danes 2nd half.
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Exclellent holmes.
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I'd freshen up the team but not with Nzogbia he has an attitude problem and not in a good way
What kind of attitude problem ??
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I'd freshen up the team but not with Nzogbia he has an attitude problem and not in a good way
What kind of attitude problem ??
Did u not see him getting sent off for headbutting a couple of weeks ago.....Matt Jarvis for me
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Get him back on the wing and he'll be well worth 80k a week
I'd sell Ash for £15 mill and pay £10 mill for N'Zogbia who would cost c. £50k a week and freshen the team up.
I think he'd be great up front with Bent or Gabby.
Doubt very much anyone would offer £15m with only a year left on his contract, I would think £12m would be the maximum we could hope for in view of his contract running down.
I'd like him to stay but we certainly can't afford to risk him walking away on a free a year later, I expect there will be plenty of interest in the summer.
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N'Zogbia would be nice as well as Ash.
Downing deeper, with two of Albrighton, Ash and N'Zogbia off Bent.
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I think N'zogia is a great player.
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Ash will be off in the summer as I see it
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I'd freshen up the team but not with Nzogbia he has an attitude problem and not in a good way
What kind of attitude problem ??
Did u not see him getting sent off for headbutting a couple of weeks ago.....Matt Jarvis for me
Yes that plus lots of other things, he's done. I know its the shit down the road but he messed them about demanding more money at last minute
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I'd freshen up the team but not with Nzogbia he has an attitude problem and not in a good way
What kind of attitude problem ??
Did u not see him getting sent off for headbutting a couple of weeks ago.....Matt Jarvis for me
To be honest no, but Dion did it and no-one holds it against him !!
Whenever I see him he looks like a dangerous player and an exciting one too, neither of which I can say about Ash this season, nor most of last.
Ash has the ability as we all know, but we have to face it - he wants a move and we must plan for the future without him.
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I'd freshen up the team but not with Nzogbia he has an attitude problem and not in a good way
What kind of attitude problem ??
Did u not see him getting sent off for headbutting a couple of weeks ago.....Matt Jarvis for me
Yes that plus lots of other things, he's done. I know its the shit down the road but he messed them about demanding more money at last minute
He threw a spanner in the works when he realised that Wigan-to-small heath is a sideways move; backwards move if you consider the records they play.
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I'd freshen up the team but not with Nzogbia he has an attitude problem and not in a good way
What kind of attitude problem ??
Did u not see him getting sent off for headbutting a couple of weeks ago.....Matt Jarvis for me
Are you suggesting that we should sell Ashley Young and buy Matt Jarvis? I hope you are joking.
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Young out, Dmitri Payet in.
Sorted.
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Young out, Dmitri Payet in.
Sorted.
Yes. But some top European clubs are already eyeing him.
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Yes, I thought N'Zogbia was a pain in the arse too, and his move to Blues was purported to have collapsed because of outrageous wage demands. But since then, Robbie Keane's move to Blues was supposed to have collapsed because of outrageous wage demands. And I thought Blues missed out on another player in the transfer window because they couldn't meet his wages. So.... maybe N'Zogbia's not the greedy sod he's made out to be.
Let's face it, he can't be on mega money at Wigan. He's certainly got the talent.
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If Wigan go down there could well be a few bargains to be had from there team.
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N'Zogbia is a decent player but he's not as good as Ashley Young.
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If Wigan go down there could well be a few bargains to be had from there team.
If they go down perhaps they're not that good?
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Fabio Capello on Young
"I've watched three or four Aston Villa games recently and I like the position Ashley Young is playing, centrally. He's really good there because he's free. He can run where he wants and is fast and technically good, so he can be dangerous. He's strong with his dribbling, his shooting and his passing – a good player."
Hopefully this will make him think it's best too stay at Villa, coupled with Bent being looked at in a different light from Capello and the media since joining Villa.
Surely he will see he can only play this position at Villa.
Arsenal-Fabregas
Man U- Rooney/Berbatov
Spurs- VDV
Chelsea- Torres/drogba
Liverpool-Carroll/Suarez
So if he went to any of these clubs they either have better than him in the central position or play 442, meaning he will definatly play out wide where ever he goes!
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If Wigan go down there could well be a few bargains to be had from there team.
If they go down perhaps they're not that good?
silly point .. ;-)
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N'Zogbia is a decent player but he's not as good as Ashley Young.
I agree, but i'd still rather see him on the wing.
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If Wigan go down there could well be a few bargains to be had from there team.
If they go down perhaps they're not that good?
Most relegated teams have a good player or two worth having a look at. Man U got Roy Keane from a relegated Nottingham Forest.
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Fabio Capello on Young
"I've watched three or four Aston Villa games recently and I like the position Ashley Young is playing, centrally. He's really good there because he's free. He can run where he wants and is fast and technically good, so he can be dangerous. He's strong with his dribbling, his shooting and his passing – a good player."
Hopefully this will make him think it's best too stay at Villa, coupled with Bent being looked at in a different light from Capello and the media since joining Villa.
Surely he will see he can only play this position at Villa.
Arsenal-Fabregas
Man U- Rooney/Berbatov
Spurs- VDV
Chelsea- Torres/drogba
Liverpool-Carroll/Suarez
So if he went to any of these clubs they either have better than him in the central position or play 442, meaning he will definatly play out wide where ever he goes!
what does Capello know, fook all... in fact I prefer Ash wide, looks a better player there.. but he did play well for England last night , but there again , he knew alot of clubs would be watching.
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Fabio Capello on Young
"I've watched three or four Aston Villa games recently and I like the position Ashley Young is playing, centrally. He's really good there because he's free. He can run where he wants and is fast and technically good, so he can be dangerous. He's strong with his dribbling, his shooting and his passing – a good player."
Hopefully this will make him think it's best too stay at Villa, coupled with Bent being looked at in a different light from Capello and the media since joining Villa.
Surely he will see he can only play this position at Villa.
Arsenal-Fabregas
Man U- Rooney/Berbatov
Spurs- VDV
Chelsea- Torres/drogba
Liverpool-Carroll/Suarez
So if he went to any of these clubs they either have better than him in the central position or play 442, meaning he will definatly play out wide where ever he goes!
Of course, there's always the possibility that Capello's wrong and he's better out wide.....
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Figeroa , rodallega and nzogbia are all decent enough players but they are probably the only 3 quality ones that Wigan have, Wigan turned down £12m on deadline day for nzogbia and they won't be able to hold onto him if relegated.
Youngs performance last night has done his England chances no harm at all.
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The point is Ash likes playing centrally, he will not play wide regulary for Villa again, so unless you want to sell him get used to it.
My point was trying to think how Ash maybe thinking.
I might be wrong and he is happy to play wide at a bigger club in the CL.
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If Wigan go down there could well be a few bargains to be had from there team.
If they go down perhaps they're not that good?
Most relegated teams have a good player or two worth having a look at. Man U got Roy Keane from a relegated Nottingham Forest.
Hendry Thomas is no Roy Keane.
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Is that who we're talking about?
Please ignore me and carry on.
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If Wigan go down there could well be a few bargains to be had from there team.
If they go down perhaps they're not that good?
Most relegated teams have a good player or two worth having a look at. Man U got Roy Keane from a relegated Nottingham Forest.
Hendry Thomas is no Roy Keane.
But Charles N'Zogbia could easily be another Stewart Downing.
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Is that who we're talking about?
Please ignore me and carry on.
I'm being flippant.
I agree that there are usually some decent players to be had from the relegated sides I just haven't seen much to write home about when I've seen Wigan this season.
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Is that who we're talking about?
Please ignore me and carry on.
I'm being flippant.
I agree that there are usually some decent players to be had from the relegated sides I just haven't seen much to write home about when I've seen Wigan this season.
Being honest neither have I.
I don't see what others do in Rodallega at all.
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Rodallega is decent enough but not good enough to get in our team , I did like the look of the lad who scored against us , mcarthy I think it was , but I agree nzogbia is the stand out player.
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As I see it, Young gets rid of the snood or he is OUT!
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Wigan turned down £12m on deadline day for nzogbia
Really? It surprises me that they turned £12m down.
Thing is, if Young is off, we perhaps don't need a left winger to replace him at all, bearing in mind where he's been playing all season. So, though I like N'Zogbia (who isn't as good as Young but is not far off and still very effective) we don't need him - we need someone who can play centrally, just behind Bent. We've got Downing for the left, Albrighton for the right. It's an attacking CM/second striker we need.
There's a chap on loan at Newcastle who could do that job. Failing that..... who's suitable?
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Wigan turned down £12m on deadline day for nzogbia
Really? It surprises me that they turned £12m down.
Thing is, if Young is off, we perhaps don't need a left winger to replace him at all, bearing in mind where he's been playing all season. So, though I like N'Zogbia (who isn't as good as Young but is not far off and still very effective) we don't need him - we need someone who can play centrally, just behind Bent. We've got Downing for the left, Albrighton for the right. It's an attacking CM/second striker we need.
There's a chap on loan at Newcastle who could do that job. Failing that..... who's suitable?
Totally agree.
If Young goes, which personally I'm not sure he will yet, then a like for like replacement wouldn't be suitable as he's currently playing out of position. We may spend the money elsewhere and use Delph, but I'd be tempted to look to South America as they do produce that kind of player quite frequently.
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I'd freshen up the team but not with Nzogbia he has an attitude problem and not in a good way
What kind of attitude problem ??
An attitude where he thinks he's far better than he is. Can you not remember the petulant little shits hissy fits whilst at Newcastle?
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It was strangely enough newcastle who came in on deadline night with bids of both 10 and then £12m for nzogbia but whelan said it was too late in the day to sell and nzogbia probably wouldn't have wanted to go back there in any case.
Probably a case of mike Ashley trying to look as though he was seeking a signing when there was little chance of it happening in any case.
I think we need to see what Bradley does if he's used as an attacking midfielder as he could certainly chip in with a few goals, until ash decides if he's going or staying we are in a bit of limbo as regards a replacement.
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He's nowhere near his best this season. If we really want to cash in on him, its this summer. We can probably rob one of the big clubs by slapping a ridiculous price tag like we did with Milner. Then I'm sure Houllier with his French connections can bring in Gourcuff to Villa Park, or miraculously find a Xabi Alonso type player with the help of his best mate Wenger. One can dream....
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The problem is nadz that milner had 2 yrs on his contract left whereas ash has just one year and can walk on a free a year later so teams will not pay crazy money for him- I think £12m will be about the best we can hope for in light of his contract situation.
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I'd be tempted to look to South America as they do produce that kind of player quite frequently.
Yes - that 'classic No.10' role! You're right. The kind of role Saviola occupies/occupied so well (not suggesting Saviola, of course).
Eastie - Newcastle. Yes, they did. I'd forgotten about that. Odd move considering they really needed a centre-forward.
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if we're looking for someone for that role Eriksen for Denmark last night looked a hell of a player.
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The problem is nadz that milner had 2 yrs on his contract left whereas ash has just one year and can walk on a free a year later so teams will not pay crazy money for him- I think £12m will be about the best we can hope for in light of his contract situation.
You're right. But my point is simply just to rob people off their money. Didn't we get more for Barry than what was initially valued for him? I don't really care how much we get to be honest. I just want it to be a rip off for the clubs (Citeh or Spuds) that will eventually buy him in the summer. ;) We're good at selling players for ridiculous amounts of money remember? I mean, Barry and Milner are bit part players at Eastlands right now and we got around 30 million for them for goodness sakes.
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I'd rather have both of them still here. Yes, even Custard Pants. Though on his Man Citeh form we could probably cope without him.
If the players want out, there's usually very little you can do short of getting the best price. There are exceptions, Fabregas, Tevez et.c. But their reasons for remaining are either that the current club looks capable of winning something or they just get ridiculous amounts of money thrown at them.
As a fan, and given a straight choice, I'd rather have the players in the team than the money in the bank.
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Maybe but if ash does decide to go we could try and get walker as part of any deal, I see redknapp was waxing lyrical about ash in his column today .
Wouldn't surprise me if sir alex was interested too as they could do with his kind of player, again a part ex could be an option involving maybe Gibson or someone of that ilk- we will have to wait and see what ash wants to do but I expect him to decide early in the summer.
Houllier at Liverpool liked to get all his transfer dealings done by the end of June so he could get players settled for pre- season.
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Maybe but if ash does decide to go we could try and get walker as part of any deal, I see redknapp was waxing lyrical about ash in his column today .
Wouldn't surprise me if sir alex was interested too as they could do with his kind of player, again a part ex could be an option involving maybe Gibson or someone of that ilk- we will have to wait and see what ash wants to do but I expect him to decide early in the summer.
Houllier at Liverpool liked to get all his transfer dealings done by the end of June so he could get players settled for pre- season.
What was Rednapp saying?
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Redknapp says ash is an exceptional player and can be a part of the England team
for many years, he thinks he would get into the side as a wide player but his problem in the centre is he would be in competition with Rooney.
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Maybe but if ash does decide to go we could try and get walker as part of any deal, I see redknapp was waxing lyrical about ash in his column today .
Wouldn't surprise me if sir alex was interested too as they could do with his kind of player, again a part ex could be an option involving maybe Gibson or someone of that ilk- we will have to wait and see what ash wants to do but I expect him to decide early in the summer.
Houllier at Liverpool liked to get all his transfer dealings done by the end of June so he could get players settled for pre- season.
What was Rednapp saying?
"He's absalutely 'triffic!"
A bit off topic, but where exactly are Spurs getting all this money?
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Houllier at Liverpool liked to get all his transfer dealings done by the end of June so he could get players settled for pre- season.
eastie, could you give me a hand? I've got a can of worms over here I need opening!
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A bit off topic, but where exactly are Spurs getting all this money?
'arry is selling knocked off Armani t-shirts on match days.
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A bit off topic, but where exactly are Spurs getting all this money?
'arry is selling knocked off Armani t-shirts on match days.
They have billionaires on the board and there income will have gone up by over 50 million with CL, meaning there income is double ours, that's where they get there money from.
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it wasnt last season... our income was almost 90 mil, spuds was nearly 120...
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A difference of 30million, The original question was where do spurs get there money, same place we get ours, if not then from all there extra income.
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Redknapp says ash is an exceptional player and can be a part of the England team
for many years, he thinks he would get into the side as a wide player but his problem in the centre is he would be in competition with Rooney.
Cheers
Lets report the fucker for trying to tap him up
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Not sure Houllier will have much chance getting Young back to the wing after Capello's comments about really liking Young in the deep role. Thought Capello's comments about Bent were pretty unfair on Sunderland to be honest. He has played what 3 games for us? He cant have improved that much.
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He improved as soon as he wore our shirt. That's normal and natural phenomena!
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Ash on playing centrally,
"I am delighted to be playing there again. I have loved every minute.
"It gives me more freedom to go and get the ball and join in.
"Hopefully I will continue playing there at club level and impress the England manager."
"I have always wanted to add goals to my performances.
"As a second striker I have been getting in the box more often and having the chance to shoot.
"Hopefully I can increase my goals tally."
this can only be positive for us.
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We all hope he increases his goal tally. Unfortunately when playing "in the hole" for us he has done lots of running around for very little end result. Maybe he is trying too hard. I don't know what the answer is because at this stage in the season we need points and cannot afford the luxury of persisting with something that works maybe 1 game in 5.
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It is my considered opinion that the attempted purchase of Larsson from them was to replace Ash as his departure is already a done deal.
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Figeroa , rodallega and nzogbia are all decent enough players but they are probably the only 3 quality ones that Wigan have, Wigan turned down £12m on deadline day for nzogbia and they won't be able to hold onto him if relegated.
Youngs performance last night has done his England chances no harm at all.
I quite like that McCarthy lad too. He can only get better too with time.
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If Ash continues to play 'in the hole', and there is no marked improvement, then holding on to him won't be a problem as nobody (bigger/better than us) will want to buy him.
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I noticed that Ash seemed to play a lot further forward the other night than when he plays for us. It might have been beneficial for us that he and Bent were paired together by Capello and he would no doubt have told them how he wanted them to play.
Let's hope tomorrow sees a continuation of the productive output from Ash!
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If Ash continues to play 'in the hole', and there is no marked improvement, then holding on to him won't be a problem as nobody (bigger/better than us) will want to buy him.
You're right.
I think other teams would like him, but not in that position.
We really don't get the best out of him there.
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Did it work against Denmark because there was more space for him, which he doesn't get in the PL.
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Did it work against Denmark because there was more space for him, which he doesn't get in the PL.
Possibly, Denmark are quite an open, attacking side.