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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PaulTheVillan on February 04, 2011, 09:23:25 AM
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Glad he slams them & not smashes them.
Link (http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/sport/houllier-slams-warnock-and-beye-2525500.html)
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For £40,000 a week they shouldn't "like" the club, they should bloody worship it. Pair of cock-juggling thunderc***s.
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Fair enough.
If they don't like the club, bollocks to them.
They like us enough to take their huge salaries though.
I really don't have an issue with Houllier exposing them in this way.
Ship them out at the soonest opportunity, and fair play to GED for having the balls to stand up to them and stand up for our club.
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I do wish he would keep his mouth shut and keep these things behind closed doors. The comment about Petrov and his ego, again completely unnecessary to go public with it. He just can't help himself.
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Didn't Beye once say he was happy to sit back and coin the wages in, despite not playing?
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He's not the supply teacher any more. As for keeping it behind closed doors, maybe it's too bad for that.
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He's not the supply teacher any more. As for keeping it behind closed doors, maybe it's too bad for that.
That has pretty much summed up the way things have been, until now and GH's involvement in the transfer window.
The likes of Collins and Dunne would also have been raining with the stiffs if they hadn't realised what was happening and changed their overall attitudes.
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Fair enough.
If they don't like the club, bollocks to them.
They like us enough to take their huge salaries though.
I really don't have an issue with Houllier exposing them in this way.
Ship them out at the soonest opportunity, and fair play to GED for having the balls to stand up to them and stand up for our club.
too right
He's done a good job so far in getting rid of the overpriced mediocre players was such a fan of be even better when this pair fuck off
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I'm glad he's sent them to the reserves. We don't need either of these 2 any more. If their attitude is not right, then they should be banished from the first team picture. Warnock's form has been very poor for over 6 months now. Beye has been a waste of space since he signed, OK he hasn't been given many chances, but this article probably explains why. If we can sell them in the summer then excellent. Is Beye out of contract this June? I certainly hope so. I also can't see Warnock being here next season. Clark & Baker have shown a lot of promise lately, and seem to deserve their higher place in the pecking order. I'm glad GH is taking a tough stance with the players.
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He is asked a direct question about why they are not in the team I as a fan, want to know the complete story, so fair do to GED for giving it.
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I like the way Houllier has dealt with the insubordination at the club, out them publicly and then fuck them off if they're either useless (Beye) or not committed (Warnock)
What a sensationally bad signing Beye was, MON has a lot to answer for
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Is Beye out of contract this June? I certainly hope so.
He has a contract until June 2012. Why we gave a 31 year old a three year contact on reportedly £40k a week I'll never know.
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Name and shame them- well done GED for sifting out the workers from the shirkers , interesting to read Bradley and bent both say playing for houllier was one of their biggest reasons for joining us- he's got a top reputation and having managed France and been an integral member of their world cup winning backroom team besides his trophy laden time at Liverpool and Lyon he has lifted the profile of our club.
We can now attract a better calibre of player and houlliers reputation and track record as manager can take great credit for that- he is a no nonsense boss and will not tolerate trouble makers and whingers.
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I like the way Houllier has dealt with the insubordination at the club, out them publicly and then fuck them off
Does that mean we're allowed to boo players if we think they're not pulling their weight then.
I don't think he should be doing this in public. Just my opinion
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That's disappointing to read. I get the impression that Beye is happy to sit on his arse and wind that deal down. Who is going to pay him that wage again? is he likely to push for a move, then to only be offered a lesser deal elsewhere? is he fuck. Looks like we're stuck with the cock for a bit longer then...
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I like the way Houllier has dealt with the insubordination at the club, out them publicly and then fuck them off
Does that mean we're allowed to boo players if we think they're not pulling their weight then.
I don't think he should be doing this in public. Just my opinion
Thats a fair point, Chico. But us fans want to know what's happening with players.
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Does that mean we're allowed to boo players if we think they're not pulling their weight then.
Since when did this NOT happen at football grounds ?
It will be a sad day if this ever stops
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Is Beye out of contract this June? I certainly hope so.
He has a contract until June 2012. Why we gave a 31 year old a three year contact on reportedly £40k a week I'll never know.
I thought it was longer than that.
He cost, I think £1m, so with wages of £40k pw, a total outlay of £7,240,000.
What a bargain!
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Is Beye out of contract this June? I certainly hope so.
He has a contract until June 2012. Why we gave a 31 year old a three year contact on reportedly £40k a week I'll never know.
Same as petrov still having 2 1/2 years left
Same as taking a 5 million loss on Davies
Same as getting peanuts for Sidwell
Same as signing salifou - may as well just have burnt 1.5 million
Still onwards an upwards
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No wonder Randy had lost confidence in MON's commercial astuteness
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Same as signing salifou - may as well just have burnt 1.5 million
I'm still puzzled as to how he was given a new 2 year contract after the initial 12 months.
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I am pleased that they have been put in their place but Houllier also manages to not belittle the reserves in doing this. To be part of that reserve set up is something to be proud of and I hope that these two sulks don't upset that group.
It is hardly the same as when Gregory devalued Collymore from £7m to nothing because of the latter not showing up. That should have been handled differently, in my view.
Houllier has slowly succeeded in changing a lot of attitudes at Villa Park and the improvement is gathering pace.
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Heskey has a contract until summer 2012 on reportedly £60k a week. Good work if you can get it.
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Didn't Beye once say he was happy to sit back and coin the wages in, despite not playing?
I disagree Mark. These 2 are not showing any commitment or professional attitude to the Club that pays there wages. We know that Houllier said to Warn-cock that he has to move closer to the club. He refused. I think GH thinks this is a sign of further non-commitement to compliment his atrocious performances at left back.
Beye is only a bit part player and should be lucky with his limited talent that some fools (us) are paying him a weekly wage to get splinters in his arse. GH seems to have a revolutionary policy of showing hard work, commitment and loyalty to the club will get you a place in the team regardless of displacing a seasoned international (Dunne) or permanent fixture (Petrov). Ive read a quote from Albrighton who said under MON, no matter how hard they worked in training they knew the same XI would make the team
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I'd like to think that the reserve players (who are mostly youth team players) will want to out-do players like Salifou, Beye & Warnock whilst they're in the reserves, I know I would. I'd use it as a chance to show I was as good, if not better than them. It hasn't done Baker any harm.
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I'm with GH 110% we don't need those two waste of spaces we have got Clarke and Baker who seem more than capable and i think they are going to be excellent players to do the job at left back if there heart is not at the Villa then Warnock and Beye can feck off.
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Heskey has a contract until summer 2012 on reportedly £60k a week. Good work if you can get it.
At least Heskey offers something though. Beye is about as much use as a condom machine in the Vatican.
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Didn't Beye once say he was happy to sit back and coin the wages in, despite not playing?
I disagree Mark.
What with?
I'm not sticking up for him, just remembering a story about him some months ago.
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Heskey has a contract until summer 2012 on reportedly £60k a week. Good work if you can get it.
At least Heskey offers something though. Beye is about as much use as a condom machine in the Vatican.
Or
A one legged man in an arse kicking contest
Or
A catflap in an elephant house
Or
An ashtray on a motor bike
Or
A chocolate fireguard
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A one armed taxi driver with crabs.
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Heskey has a contract until summer 2012 on reportedly £60k a week. Good work if you can get it.
At least Heskey offers something though.
A three and a half year contract to a 31, going on 32 year old is a bit excessive in my book, especially on that kind of money. In the two years he's been with us he's had a handful of good games, all except his debut, under Houllier. I'm just glad it's not my money.
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The Beye deal was absolutely mental, god knows what that idiot O'neill thought he was doing.
Another year and a half or however long of his wages - fucking hell. I can't see anybody else wanting to match his wages considering he's crap and old, either, so think we'll be stuck paying him for the next 18 months. Great.
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Same as signing salifou - may as well just have burnt 1.5 million
I'm still puzzled as to how he was given a new 2 year contract after the initial 12 months.
Same reason as Isiah Osbourne was given a new contract last year I guess.
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at one point Ozzy looked like he was going to make it
I recall one game at Old Trafford where he played really well for us
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The Beye deal was absolutely mental, god knows what that idiot O'neill thought he was doing.
IIRC Beye was on his way to Hull, having agreed a fee with Newcastle but we came in last minute with obviously better personal terms.
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Ann Frank's drum kit
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Ann Frank's drum kit
Stephen Hawking's football boots.
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Same as signing salifou - may as well just have burnt 1.5 million
I'm still puzzled as to how he was given a new 2 year contract after the initial 12 months.
mate it was a fucking disgrace even if he was on say 10 grand a week thats 1.5 million for absolutely nothing.
I still think that MON went because he asked for the Milner money to be spent on mcGeady and keane so randy told him to fuck off
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Ann Frank's drum kit
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Karen Carpenter's chip pan
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Karen Carpenter's chip pan
Christopher Reeve's horse
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Marc Bolan's A-Z
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Helen Keller's paint by numbers kit
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Martin O'Neills substitutes
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*scarf waving emoticon*
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Is Beye out of contract this June? I certainly hope so.
He has a contract until June 2012. Why we gave a 31 year old a three year contact on reportedly £40k a week I'll never know.
I thought it was longer than that.
He cost, I think £1m, so with wages of £40k pw, a total outlay of £7,240,000.
What a bargain!
thats just ruined my weet-a-bix... ffs...
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Is Beye out of contract this June? I certainly hope so.
He has a contract until June 2012. Why we gave a 31 year old a three year contact on reportedly £40k a week I'll never know.
I thought it was longer than that.
He cost, I think £1m, so with wages of £40k pw, a total outlay of £7,240,000.
What a bargain!
Fee undisclosed but widely reported at £2.5m. You can understand them wanting to keep it quiet.
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these pair disgust me... cant wait for them to be shipped out...
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Martin O'Neills substitutes
Martin O'Neill's Plan B.
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MON must have really hated this club.
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Houllier is basically telling the fullbacks to cut the attitude! Learn to get around with the boss warnock and beye !
Welcome to reality...
And for those players already shipped out Ged Houllier has not driven away anybody and he picks his players based on merit.
That's his management style and it can go against footballers of a certain mentality.
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its more a case of mon being an extremely clever man at protecting his own reputation..
he comes into a club not doing so well, gets players in that suit only his way of playing that cost a lot of money and on high wages, and then leaves when the going gets tough, meaning that the next manager has to clear up his mess, and in the process, has a worse season than o'neill did...
his media mates then claim that o'neill over achieved and is a great manager, and the myth continues...
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Is Beye out of contract this June? I certainly hope so.
He has a contract until June 2012. Why we gave a 31 year old a three year contact on reportedly £40k a week I'll never know.
I thought it was longer than that.
He cost, I think £1m, so with wages of £40k pw, a total outlay of £7,240,000.
What a bargain!
Fee undisclosed but widely reported at £2.5m. You can understand them wanting to keep it quiet.
In that case, the outlay is just shy of £9m.
Splendid!
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I think it's a superb way of dealing with them. He's dropped them to the reserves and they still don't want to fight for the club, so why shouldn't he tell everyone what's really going on.
It also gives out a sign to other players that it's his way or your out.
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Is Beye out of contract this June? I certainly hope so.
He has a contract until June 2012. Why we gave a 31 year old a three year contact on reportedly £40k a week I'll never know.
And this is the true legacy of MON - if his media pals can't tell the difference between not having the money, and having the money but not giving it to him to waste before he can prove he can learn from and attone for his own mistakes, then they are utter idiots.
Houllier will struggle to find a taker for Beye, especially seeing as he's content to train with the stiffs and pick up the cash. It might cost us just to release him on a free.
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MM on VT mentioned that Warnock the Weasel apparently told the dressing room to "F*ck your club and f*ck your fans". No idea when or how it true it is.............but would not surprise me.
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The Beye deal was absolutely mental, god knows what that idiot O'neill thought he was doing.
IIRC Beye was on his way to Hull, having agreed a fee with Newcastle but we came in last minute with obviously better personal terms.
Similar story with Harewood, who was on his way from West Ham to Wigan until a last minute intervention.
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It was said on here that we could have spent 18 million on a forward in August 2009 if MON hadn't spent 18 million on defenders to replace the errr defenders he bought
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Manager's authority should be respected but to what extent.
Should Houllier complain about a player in the media though, that can create more problems then good ?
GH is given at times to talk about players criticizing carew, lichaj,(harshly) ireland... now warnock and beye. these players all are not involved currently with villa.
I think he does this
to show hes boss
to get players to have a look at themselves- attitude, commitment, what it means to be a footballer.
Speaking back in december
"Do people have to adapt to a new manager and methods? In a way, yes. You adapt or you die. We are changing a lot of things and that upsets the comfort of some players.
"I am not going to talk about the players who are dissenting and not happy. Any manager who runs a team knows the players who are playing are happy, and the players who are not playing are not happy.
"They think the methods are not good and they think the manager is not the right person but we have to live with that.
"We know that we are changing things, we know that sometimes people are whingeing and moaning but they have a fantastic job.
"They are paid high wages to play and enjoy football. This is a fantastic job and sometimes you forget that."
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Fairplay to Houllier. He is making a statement to them and all squad members. Commitement or you become isolated. It is up to them to get there head round it and be professional ....
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It's not a view you hear often on here but I think Warnock has his uses and I'd like to think he can turn it around instead of having a massive mong. Beye, on the other hand, is as welcome as a leper in a parmesan factory.
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Bloody hell that Beye deal is shocking, William McGregor will be turning in his grave
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The squad were extremely unsettled early on in his tenure. You need the odd sacrificial lamb in such instances, and if they're doing the hard work for you (not literally), all the better.
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MON must have really hated this club.
How ridiculous.
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And to think that MON was supposedly the one who ruled with an iron fist? GH may be quietly spoken in press conferences and on the side line, but the players can't be left in any doubt now as to who's in charge and what is expected of them. A lot of people had been saying for months that Warnock was phoning it in, now we have players back fit and competition for places he's found out that isn't good enough. Excellent management, IMO.
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GH should be applauded for a 'no shit' attitude. Warnock was a brilliant signing IMHO, but it's amazing how attitudes can change.
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Warnock was a good signing, over-priced mind you. We signed him after a brief good run of form at Blackburn, 12-18 months or so. I wouldn't call it a brilliant signing.
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the millions that have been squandered, dear oh dear, Warnock, Shorey, Davies, Harewood, Beye, Salifou, Sidwell, christ its bordering on gross negligence
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MM on VT mentioned that Warnock the Weasel apparently told the dressing room to "F*ck your club and f*ck your fans". No idea when or how it true it is.............but would not surprise me.
MM is normally right.
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Warnock sounds like he's behaving like a twat. Which is a shame, because he's a decent left-back and we're really not that well off in that area. He needs a reality check; was a regular in the England squad with us, went to the World Cup. I'm not sure he'll do as well as us again - I know Liverpool wanted him on loan but that's been and gone and they may well look elsewhere in the summer. Wigan were the other club interested...
Beye's just awful. Looked awful the first time I saw him and he's got worse since. No idea why we signed him.... was it for right back cover if Luke Young was injured, and MON decided not to pick either Cuellar or Lichaj there?
And such a long deal... on top of Salifou's deals (how the hell has he managed to be at Villa for four years?) and Osbourne's new deals.... thanks Martin.
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What did GH say about Petrov after the Utd game ? Somebody suggested a ego problem was mentioned ?
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Warnock sounds like he's behaving like a twat. Which is a shame, because he's a decent left-back and we're really not that well off in that area. He needs a reality check; was a regular in the England squad with us, went to the World Cup. I'm not sure he'll do as well as us again - I know Liverpool wanted him on loan but that's been and gone and they may well look elsewhere in the summer. Wigan were the other club interested...
Beye's just awful. Looked awful the first time I saw him and he's got worse since. No idea why we signed him.... was it for right back cover if Luke Young was injured, and MON decided not to pick either Cuellar or Lichaj there?
And such a long deal... on top of Salifou's deals (how the hell has he managed to be at Villa for four years?) and Osbourne's new deals.... thanks Martin.
I will never, ever, ever understand how Salifou managed to stay at Villa for so long. At the time he signed MON described it as a completely risk-free deal. It was risk-free in that he hardly ever got the chance to affect events on the field. When I look at Salifou's Villa 'career' I'm just reminded of Ali Dia, that bloke who Southampton played because someone told Graham Souness he was Geroge Weah's cousin.
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the millions that have been squandered, dear oh dear, Warnock, Shorey, Davies, Harewood, Beye, Salifou, Sidwell, christ its bordering on gross negligence
But why wasn't MON given the Bent money?
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Be glad to see the back of them.
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Only one player has reacted as one would hope to the criticism and that's Richard Dunne. Everyone else has gone or isn't far from it. GH doesn't just criticise but he identifies the bad apples and calls them out. If you're not pulling your weight at our club, especially for that kind of coin, then fuck off and find another club. The sooner we are permanently rid of the free loaders, the better.
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Only one player has reacted as one would hope to the criticism and that's Richard Dunne. Everyone else has gone or isn't far from it. GH doesn't just criticise but he identifies the bad apples and calls them out. If you're not pulling your weight at our club, especially for that kind of coin, then fuck off and find another club. The sooner we are permanently rid of the free loaders, the better.
Richard Dunne must be uber-knackered whenever he pulls his weight!
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Dunne has reacted well, maybe he values his job and realises how lucky he is. Also allegedly got lots of off field financial problems so probably values the money he's earning with us
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Helen Keller's paint by numbers kit
I laughed quite a lot at that one
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Helen Keller's paint by numbers kit
I laughed quite a lot at that one
Apparently her dog jumped off a cliff
he was sick of being called "dhgjfksghrtyueldh"
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That Ann Franks Diary was a bit of a let down, I was expecting a bit of a Rom Com not "another day shut in a cupboard"
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Get 'em both out.
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Houllier did the same at Liverpool and broke the spice boy culture and ended up winning 5 trophies in one year - i would be delighted with one!
Some people here and they know who they are would defend mon whatever proof is put down about his transfer dealings- sadly it's not just the media but a few on here who can't see the wood for the trees!
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Get 'em both out.
Well said JJ AV
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Let's fuck them both off.
I'd rather Lichaj & Baker on the bench.
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Glad that Hou's telling it the way it is, although he's hardly enhancing their value in the marketplace by being so public.
He has, however, made a clear statement of intent that the squad is to be operated as a meritocracy rather than a 'crony-ocracy'.
Disappointed with both Beye and Warnock - I thought that we'd signed two v useful players who'd done well at their previous clubs; attitudinally, obviously, they're quite the reverse.
I'd hope that the summer will see a significant clear-out of the obvious dead-weight squad-players - Osbourne, Salifou, Beye and Warnock, as a minimum: this will indicate to the younger players that Hou's putting his faith in their capabilities.
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The kids on relatively low wages must look at that flash twat Beye and shake their heads, a good example of where not to take your career
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I do wish he would keep his mouth shut and keep these things behind closed doors. The comment about Petrov and his ego, again completely unnecessary to go public with it. He just can't help himself.
Maybe he should keen on letting people know what shit temperaments some players have, rather than keep it locked away under threat of legal proceedings leading to all that fan and media speculation which ends up with twats calling to sack him 1 month into the job.
Seems reasonable to me. I'm sure there is plenty he keeps under wraps, the magic change in Dunnes attitude for one
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Totally agree Malcolm, name and shame them , if warnock did say what mystery man has reported then he should be ashamed , but I guess as long as they pick up their wages they couldn't give a toss- sad really that our game has been ruined by greed.
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Totally agree Malcolm, mane and shame them , if warnock did say what mystery man has reported then he should be ashamed , but I guess as long as they pick up their wages they couldn't give a toss- sad really that our game has been ruined by greed.
Are they going to be made to wear really long wigs?
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Warnock was an ok signing, nothing more, but given his recent performances and attitude he can fuck off. I never will understand why we signed Beye, thought he was shite at Newcastle and is not fit to clean the boots of some of our youngsters coming through. Good on you GH, get rid of both asap.
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lets get rid of them both and play Baker and Lichaj when needed,they actually care about the villa!
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Agreed but to get rid of them we need to find someone that wants them and is prepared to meet their wage demands- not that easy.
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I think Houllier has taken a strong stance against those spreading their negativity through the squad. I will give him credit where it's due that he certainly seems to have the gonads to stand up to them and is not afraid to ruffle feathers or meet the egos head on. Good on him.
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We seem to have a lot of players living far away and I believe houllier is trying to address that- friedal, dunne and warnock all live in the north west and ash has reportedly moved back to Hertfordshire, I would imagine all that travelling doesn't do them any favours in the long run and think that living within a 40 mile radius is fair enough .
Obviously , depending on contract length as it wouldn't be practical to ask someone in the final year of contract to move home. I would say anyone given a 3 or more yr contract though should be prepared to move to the area.
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I'll be glad when there's an end to this whole squalid affair. The one thing that we should all appreciate is how Randy Lerner has stuck to his word. He's the one that's paying the wages of these players, he's the one who's having to pay at least half of Stephen Ireland's wages while he plays for another team. He's the one that has given the manager money to spend on players that suddenly become worthless, running down their contracts or being sold to the Rags for a fraction of the original cost.
He's also the one that has stuck by his manager and just given him a load of money to buy new players. Nobody asked him to do it, quite honestly, nobody really expected him to do it but the fact is it's there for everybody to see; he did it. We are one hell of a lucky club to have him as our Chairman and owner. Somebody mentioned earlier about how with the debt and costs, William McGregor must be spinning in his grave. Well I can only think he was looking down on us the day Randy Lerner walked into Villa Park.
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We seem to have a lot of players living far away and I believe houllier is trying to address that- friedal, dunne and warnock all live in the north west and ash has reportedly moved back to Hertfordshire, I would imagine all that travelling doesn't do them any favours in the long run and think that living within a 40 mile radius is fair enough .
Obviously , depending on contract length as it wouldn't be practical to ask someone in the final year of contract to move home. I would say anyone given a 3 or more yr contract though should be prepared to move to the area.
I can see why he wants the players close but in any other walk of life this is a normal part of the working day. I know loads of people who commute to the West Midlands from say, Oxford and Bristol and back for their own jobs. The moving closer may seem like he's putting the players' interest first but I think it's also a measure of control to some extent.
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This is why McDonald wasn't given the job in my opinion.
Houllier has come in and stamped his authority on the club and it's working!
Warnock is a decent player, we all saw that last season pre Wembley. If Gerrard can get him to knuckle down Villa would benefit!
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I do wish he would keep his mouth shut and keep these things behind closed doors. The comment about Petrov and his ego, again completely unnecessary to go public with it. He just can't help himself.
Maybe he should keen on letting people know what shit temperaments some players have, rather than keep it locked away under threat of legal proceedings leading to all that fan and media speculation which ends up with twats calling to sack him 1 month into the job.
Seems reasonable to me. I'm sure there is plenty he keeps under wraps, the magic change in Dunnes attitude for one
I agree with all of that I'm just a bit concerned that his comments to the press, not now but maybe later come back and bite him on the arse. If this is just a phase where he needs to set the rules, fine. My worry is it's a characteristic and playing out club issues in the press is a dangerous game.
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As far as I'm concerned warnock has burnt his bridges and I'd be happy to cut our losses and get rid of him.
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I think he’s done the right thing by getting rid of the dissenters and separating those who could not be got rid of.
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'They must show they like the club'
Fucking fantastic, though I don't always agree with the airing of dirty laundry in public I love GH for this. Tells me all I need to know about him.
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Why should the reserve lads have to put up with these two ?
Don't exactly set a good example of professional players in my opinion .......
Considering how much deadwood Houllier had to ship out I applaud him for the result
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Agree, if they're that bad, make them train on their own.
GH is right to sort out (and if necessary "out") those players he sees with poor attitudes, but to me doesn't matter much whether they're on £10k or £60k a week - whether they were MON signings or came through the youth system. Negative and disruptive characters aren't needed and those left have to accept the new boss and his ways and move on.
It's also good to see Dunne obviously pulling his weight (ahem) and putting whatever issues he had to bed.
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Why should the reserve lads have to put up with these two ?
Don't exactly set a good example of professional players in my opinion ..
Don't expect Kevin Mac to take any shit, he'll know how to handle them.
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Training with the reserves ? Thats a bit disrespectful isn't it. Why should the reserves be lumbered with those two.
They have a successful side , we dont need those two rotten apples messing it up.
Let them train on their own.
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There is a clear road to salvation with Houllier though, as is shown by Dunne, which shows it is not simply fall out and bomb out, if a player is willing to walk that path. MON would never forgive, maybe GH can. At the same time, it is clear that if you don't operate with a certain level of respect, GH will simply get shut of you. 6 weeks back there was Dunne, Ireland, Carew, Warnock and Beye who were at loggerheads with him. Since then he has bought well, signed a player none of the squad thought possible, drawn high praise from arguably our best player in Young, won 4 games, and got rid of Carew and Ireland, re integrated Dunne. The other 2 must look at it now and realise they have a long road ahead if they don't change their ways in the way GH wants. So glad the club stuck with him too, he has the right ideas for the club I am sure of it. Still thinks he needs more a general than Gary Mac backing him up though.
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Pair of c****
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Beye has not been part of Houllier's plans for nearly three months.
Three months! Does the man have no pride? Surely his agent could have found him a club if Beye could be arsed to move, obviously just happy to pick up his £40k a week. Disgraceful.
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I have to say, and I was already in support of GH, but I'm in full support of how he is turning us around. There's much work to do, but we need to call out these lazy pricks and get rid. They are a cancer on the club, and I don't want them near our dedicated pros, new players or impressionable kids. I cannot tell you how much I am looking forward to the summer, because we will have some very good players coming in, and I expect every one of the malcontents to be out on their hole.
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You can understand why MON played centre backs as full backs when he signed the full backs he did.
GH had a much tougher job at Liverpool than the Spice boys; he had the boot room and 30 years of the Shankly era to contend with.
One final point about Heskey; don't forget we didn't pay a great deal for him and despite missing a few sitters, I think he has been one of our best players this season.
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I have to say, and I was already in support of GH, but I'm in full support of how he is turning us around. There's much work to do, but we need to call out these lazy pricks and get rid. They are a cancer on the club, and I don't want them near our dedicated pros, new players or impressionable kids. I cannot tell you how much I am looking forward to the summer, because we will have some very good players coming in, and I expect every one of the malcontents to be out on their hole.
"Cancer on the club" is a bit strong, surely?
They're players struggling with bad attitudes. Richard Dunne was one of those until recently.
I'd rather we at least left the door open to getting something from them, rather than sticking them in the stocks and pelting them with rotten fruit. If we're going to pay them 40k or whatever a week, let's at least try to get some use from them
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I have to say, and I was already in support of GH, but I'm in full support of how he is turning us around. There's much work to do, but we need to call out these lazy pricks and get rid. They are a cancer on the club, and I don't want them near our dedicated pros, new players or impressionable kids. I cannot tell you how much I am looking forward to the summer, because we will have some very good players coming in, and I expect every one of the malcontents to be out on their hole.
"Cancer on the club" is a bit strong, surely?
They're players struggling with bad attitudes. Richard Dunne was one of those until recently.
I'd rather we at least left the door open to getting something from them, rather than sticking them in the stocks and pelting them with rotten fruit. If we're going to pay them 40k or whatever a week, let's at least try to get some use from them
hate the use of the word cancer to describe anything other than the disease that has caused so much pain for so many, disgraceful
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my dad was a villa fan, and when he was lying there dying of cancer i would put the earphones on him so he could listen to the game, and i get banned for calling the ****** Tonto
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my dad was a villa fan, and when he was lying there dying of cancer i would put the earphones on him so he could listen to the game, and i get banned for calling the c*** Tonto
I understand the passion of the sentiments, but you're sailing pretty close to the wind once again.
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As for Beye, I can fully understand his position.
Coming to the end of a decent career, some crazy man waves a massive contract in front of him which requires him to do very little work for a huge amount of money.
It's not like he needs the money, he doesn't need to earn win bonuses or impress anyone for his next move. The last bloke didn't bother picking him even after he'd played quite well. I'd probably do exactly the same in his situation.
Warnock should shape up or ship out.
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I have to say, and I was already in support of GH, but I'm in full support of how he is turning us around. There's much work to do, but we need to call out these lazy pricks and get rid. They are a cancer on the club, and I don't want them near our dedicated pros, new players or impressionable kids. I cannot tell you how much I am looking forward to the summer, because we will have some very good players coming in, and I expect every one of the malcontents to be out on their hole.
"Cancer on the club" is a bit strong, surely?
They're players struggling with bad attitudes. Richard Dunne was one of those until recently.
I'd rather we at least left the door open to getting something from them, rather than sticking them in the stocks and pelting them with rotten fruit. If we're going to pay them 40k or whatever a week, let's at least try to get some use from them
It just a term Paulie that's often used to reflect on problems that need to cut out. No more than that. Clearly the club have identified certain players that aren't good for what is being built and have decided to remove them.
And as for hawkeye's over the top reaction and insults. Any old excuse right?
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I have to say, and I was already in support of GH, but I'm in full support of how he is turning us around. There's much work to do, but we need to call out these lazy pricks and get rid. They are a cancer on the club, and I don't want them near our dedicated pros, new players or impressionable kids. I cannot tell you how much I am looking forward to the summer, because we will have some very good players coming in, and I expect every one of the malcontents to be out on their hole.
"Cancer on the club" is a bit strong, surely?
They're players struggling with bad attitudes. Richard Dunne was one of those until recently.
I'd rather we at least left the door open to getting something from them, rather than sticking them in the stocks and pelting them with rotten fruit. If we're going to pay them 40k or whatever a week, let's at least try to get some use from them
It just a term Paulie that's often used to reflect on problems that need to cut out. No more than that. Clearly the club have identified certain players that aren't good for what is being built and have decided to remove them.
And as for hawkeye's over the top reaction and insults. Any old excuse right?
are you really serious, you dont believe that my dad died of cancer? you think i would make this up?
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Maybe you should take the rest of the night off.
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are you really serious, you dont believe that my dad died of cancer? you think i would make this up?
How about you stop being ridiculous now.
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I don't see anything wrong with what Houllier's said, He's probably been asked what's going on with these players and he's said their attitude stinks, Lets hope someone comes in for the pair of them.
Your always going to get these situations when someone new comes into a club. I was furious when we signed Beye anyway another useless signing but I must admit I liked Warnock and he was playing well up until he got the injury.
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Hawkeye's a bloody cancer on this website. When's he going to put in a transfer request and move onto to someplace else?
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Beye has been a waste of space from day one - and the amount we're paying him is ridiculous. Frankly, I'd pay-up his contract, as we're going to have a part with the money in any event, and show him the door. We at least get rid of one malign presence around the place.
As for Warnock, I'm disappointed with how it has gone. He was the man in possession of the shirt and put in a good run of form. Indeed, there were those on here who reckoned him to be best full-back we'd had at the club since Steve Staunton.
However, as is often the case, players with no real competition for the place fall into complacency and lose the drive and desire to put in the required performance week-in, week-out. A new manager comes along, addresses the issue and said player, having got used to living in the comfort zone of guaranteed first-team football, can't respond in a positive manner to being left out.
The fact he hasn't responded in the same way as, say, Dunne, is an indicator of a back of backbone and perhaps highlights why he finds himself in this position in the first instance.
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I get sick of these sensationalised words used in headlines on a daily basis.
`Slammed` one person questioning or criticising another.
`Crisis` meaning some underlying problems.
`Turmoil` also meaning some problems to be resolved.
`Blasts` one person questioning or criticising another.
`Caged` when someone has been imprisoned.
`Rocked` when someone has something not entirely expected occurring.
`Overrun` or `overflowing` when something is occurring a bit more than some may want.
And many many more I am sure.
They usually come out when the media is discussing the NHS, immigration policy, law and order, and yes football.
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Edit: Removed
That's an awful thing to post.
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think we need that handbag emotcion thingy like they have on the beeb
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Why do people have to go over the top when trying their best to be offended by certain words. Cancer is often used to describe something "evil or destructive that is difficult to contain or eradicate" (COD). We can't be responsible for any unhappy associations it has.
Indeed, we'd better not sign any more "German" players, for that could upset people who lost family and friends during the war. We could think up more but the Fulham game is starting.
I might be inclined to spank whoever it was used the term for incorrect usage though: the two defenders may be leeches, parasites, or sponges, but they are hardly evil or destructive.
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Why do people have to go over the top when trying their best to be offended by certain words. Cancer is often used to describe something "evil or destructive that is difficult to contain or eradicate" (COD). We can't be responsible for any unhappy associations it has.
Indeed, we'd better not sign any more "German" players, for that could upset people who lost family and friends during the war. We could think up more but the Fulham game is starting.
I might be inclined to spank whoever it was used the term for incorrect usage though: the two defenders may be leeches, parasites, or sponges, but they are hardly evil or destructive.
precisely BE. I meant no offence to anyone with cancer, or those who have had any experience with the illness by my comment. He just used it as an opportunity to have a go at me. Must have been building inside him for a while. Anyway, best forgotten now.