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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: SoccerHQ on January 23, 2011, 08:46:34 PM
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Well what can we say for these two after yesterday's events.
Barry was dreadful, safe to say we got the best years out of his career, I'd be surprised if he stays in the Man. City team for too much longer.
Really sad to see Milner rotting on the bench though, shows what City can do. Take the heartbeat of he club who inspired us to 6th and a cup final and he can't even get in their team.
Would've been interested to see the reception he'd have got it if he'd come on at the end.
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Word is Milner is not happy at all at City - would love to see him back here again one day.
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For Barry, the irony will be being left on the outside looking in when his team finally start their CL campaign next year. I think they'll be good enough to qualify, but I'm equally sure Barry won't be good enough for them when they do. As for Milner, he'll get his CL wish, but he'll be a squad player forever. CL qualification will just see them up the ante with new players, and Milner will just become the bit part player Barry wishes he was.
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Word is Milner is not happy at all at City - would love to see him back here again one day.
Absolutely!! Would love to see him in our claret and blue shirt again!!
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They'll want 15 million for Milner at least, and he's on incredible wages. The more he stays on the bench, with those figures hanging around his neck, the more toxic he becomes to potential buyers. He would be brilliant in our midfield, but I cannot envision under any circumstances us agreeing to those terms. We got a hell of deal out of Milner, and nice thought though it might be, he isn't coming back.
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Sad to say, you're right Toronto. I'd rather see us go for Milner than Charlie Adam.
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Neither of them will be in City's Champions League plans, they'll spend another £50m in the summer to re-enforce once they get there and they'll slip down the pecking order further.
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Milner: Man Utd by June
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Well what can we say for these two after yesterday's events.
Barry was dreadful, safe to say we got the best years out of his career, I'd be surprised if he stays in the Man. City team for too much longer.
Really sad to see Milner rotting on the bench though, shows what City can do. Take the heartbeat of he club who inspired us to 6th and a cup final and he can't even get in their team.
Would've been interested to see the reception he'd have got it if he'd come on at the end.
You're right about Barry,we definitely got the best years out of him. I'd be very suprised if he's a starter next season for them.
In a weird way i'm not happy that its turned sour for Milner,as he never let us down,was consistantley our best player,but like many before,moved for the wrong reasons,knew it was gonna be a lot harder to play regular games and decided not to stay and progress as a player with the club that had helped to advance his career.
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If I were Fergie I would buy Milner Rig... he epitomises the way they play.
Would LOVE him back in our midfield. Makoun, Delph and Milner, Young and Albrighton wide with Bent up top... nice.
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I reckon your right there Toronto. To be honest I don't think Barry would cut it for us at the moment based on hos performance.
Bloody shame how he left us, the greedy bugger.
Swap Ireland for Milner? No cash, straight swap. Sorted.
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I'd love us to make a Bid to bring Milner back, similar to Keane and Spurs when it did'nt work out at Liverpool, it's never gonna happen though, especially after shelling out on Bent, I think Jimmy would jump at the chance to come back though, sad really
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They'll want 15 million for Milner at least, and he's on incredible wages. The more he stays on the bench, with those figures hanging around his neck, the more toxic he becomes to potential buyers. He would be brilliant in our midfield, but I cannot envision under any circumstances us agreeing to those terms. We got a hell of deal out of Milner, and nice thought though it might be, he isn't coming back.
You jest ? What use has Ireland been to us ?
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Would be brilliant, I actually think he would come back aswell, but he is used just about enough for him too sit on the wages I think.
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They'll want 15 million for Milner at least, and he's on incredible wages. The more he stays on the bench, with those figures hanging around his neck, the more toxic he becomes to potential buyers. He would be brilliant in our midfield, but I cannot envision under any circumstances us agreeing to those terms. We got a hell of deal out of Milner, and nice thought though it might be, he isn't coming back.
You jest ? What use has Ireland been to us ?
The £26million (hell even the £18million once you subtract the fee played for Blanche Du Bois) was somewhat over the odds. He isn't worth that especially if as Mancini is doing you play him as a winger.
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They have sold their soul to the $ and the false promise of glory.
There is no return for them here, very few see that there is nothing finer than Aston Villa.
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They'll want 15 million for Milner at least, and he's on incredible wages. The more he stays on the bench, with those figures hanging around his neck, the more toxic he becomes to potential buyers. He would be brilliant in our midfield, but I cannot envision under any circumstances us agreeing to those terms. We got a hell of deal out of Milner, and nice thought though it might be, he isn't coming back.
Wherever he moves (if indeed he does move) he'll have to take a hit on the mental money Citeh have needed to pay players in recent years without the incentive of CL football.
I can't see him doing a Wayne Bridge and being happy to play reserve football indefinitely whilst pocketing a big salary.
The Citeh move alone has probably made him financially - and I don't think he would have been in too bad a position before moving there, let's be honest.
Mentioned on another thread that I'd love to have him back and I think we'd stand a decent chance. He knows the club and has probably spent the best years of his career here in two differing spells. It get's overplayed in modern football, but I think he has a rapport with the fans here that might possibly be only bettered by his hometown club. Various games last year whenever he was subbed near the end of an outstanding performance and pretty much the whole ground would applaud him. You'd assume that would be the same elsewhere, but it isn't necessarily the case.
If he goes to a club like Liverpool or possibly even Chelsea or Spurs and they stick him out wide, they won't see the best of him either and he'll be coming in for the same stick that Citeh fans are sending his way.
It depends on us too, what we do in the summer and beyond and the ambition we show. I don't think he'd volunteer to return if he faced the prospect of a season similar to this one, with a club at the arse end of the table.
But if he's one of a number of good players we target to get back to competing between 6-4th, why not?
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I'm glad his header went wide though. Would have been a bummer. Looked close from the internet screen.
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Milner: Man Utd by June
£itteh wont trade with ManUre
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If Randy knew that Milner would come back for say £15m I think he would pay the money. He is a safe investment .... he would tie him up to a real long contract though.....
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If we could tie down Ash & Milner to deals similar to Bent til 2015, we're sorted
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I can't see him doing a Wayne Bridge and being happy to play reserve football indefinitely whilst pocketing a big salary.
Ahem, elite squad football.
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Would love to see Milner back here and he'd probably take a wage cut if it meant him playing regular football again, but I've a funny feeling he'll end up at Chelsea. They've got some major rebuilding to do, can pay whatever he wants and should be able to offer CL football next year.
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Would love to see Milner back here and he'd probably take a wage cut if it meant him playing regular football again, but I've a funny feeling he'll end up at Chelsea. They've got some major rebuilding to do, can pay whatever he wants and should be able to offer CL football next year.
Yup, I think both Chelsea and Man Utd will be looking at centre midfield overhauls in the summer.
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I really don't see him as being good enough for Chelsea or United - mind you the latter regularly play Carrick and Gibson don't they. I think Milner found his level with us - he's Everton/Villa standard.
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The £26million (hell even the £18million once you subtract the fee played for Blanche Du Bois) was somewhat over the odds. He isn't worth that especially if as Mancini is doing you play him as a winger.
That description of Ireland made me laugh.
He's also pretty enough for Stanley Kowalski to want to rape.
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I noticed when Barry got subbed it panned to their end and one fan was clearly shouting fuck off at him. Don't want milner back. He had the choice and he opted to go so that's it for me bridges burnt. Onwards and upwards for us now.
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I noticed when Barry got subbed it panned to their end and one fan was clearly shouting fuck off at him. Don't want milner back. He had the choice and he opted to go so that's it for me bridges burnt. Onwards and upwards for us now.
Exactly!
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I'm not one to boo Barry but it certainly seems to do the trick of putting him off his game, he's been poor on both the occasions he's been back.
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Milner not playing every week is such a waste. He has gone from being the king in our team to a pauper in theirs. All the wealth in your life can not be measured by the size of your bank balance!
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I don't boo Barry, no matter how he left, he was still a great player for over 10 years for us.
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I don't boo Barry, no matter how he left, he was still a great player for over 10 years for us.
I don't boo him either.
Don't get me wrong, I think he's an absolute ****** of the highest order (think Evening Mail front pages), I just don't express this opinion via booing.
I do it by slowly shaking my head and tutting at him whilst at the game, or muttering "fat arsed money grabbing ******" when watching him on the telly (to be honest, even this vocal expression of distaste is more about annoying my Mrs than him, as she knows I'm going to do it every single time, but being a woman is genetically incapable of just letting it go, and has to tell me to 'grow up').
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I think someone posted on another thread that a lot of players will go to man city to earn 5 years money in 2. well Barrys 2 years are nearly up
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I think someone posted on another thread that a lot of players will go to man city to earn 5 years money in 2. well Barrys 2 years are nearly up
Good thing for him that he managed to get a five year deal out of them.
So whatever happens he's more or less assured of getting circa £40m out of Man City between now and 2014.
That'll buy a lot of invisible ink-written party invitations.
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Nah.
Milner is genuine quality. He'd slot into Fergie's team easily, he has that energy as a player so many United players seem to have (Berbatov is an exception) and has admiring drive and determination.
After seeing how Milner was a player for us he's not the sort that wants to be picking up a luxourious salaray every week for just starting the odd game and being mainly used as a sub. Carry on like that for another year or so with not getting any oppotunities and he'll be off.
Would be great to have him back in our team and he doesn't really have much of an ego that stops him swallowing his pride unlike Barry who just really embarrassed yesterday. The occasion of going back to his old club played havoc with his game.
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I don't think either of them are unhappy up there or regretting their moves.
In a midfield that boasts the likes of Silva, Johnson, De Jong, Yaya Toure and occasionally Vieira, Barry has so far started 21 out of 24 league games and come on as sub in another 2. Milner has started 15 and come on in another 6. So they're hardly on the outside looking in!
They're making enough money to secure them for life.. they're very much part of a squad that's chasing and capable of attaining league, fa cup and/or europa league success this season... and every day they turn up to work to train with the likes of Tevez and Silva.
Milner in particular, who is still young and hungry, will pick up so much from players of the calibre of the two mentioned and experienced midfielders like Vieira, De Jong and Yaya, he would be mad to even think of leaving at this stage.
I think people are just looking at the fact they didn't feature much in two games against us.
And as for Milner going to ManU - not a cat in hell's chance. You won't see City sell anyone decent to any of their rivals - they hardly need the money do they. Besides, Milner and his parents are such big Leeds fans he'd never go there.
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Milner not playing every week is such a waste.
Great player and we miss him immensely. He made his bed though, he can lie in it.
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I am sad to say Man City will be awsome in a couple of years and Barry and Milner will be moved on (hopefully milner to Villa)
I still think his heart is with the Villa when he was warming up the other night he looked like he didnt want to come on. but then again after Barry got booed perhaps it was that
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I'd take Milner back in a heartbeat.
Ba££y is sliding these days, he'll be off from Man City, perhaps at the end of the season.
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They did say the only shirt worth pulling on after a Villa shirt was an England one.
Now i suppose that should be changed?
The only shirt worth pulling on after a Villa shirt is your National one.
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I don't think either of them are unhappy up there or regretting their moves.
In a midfield that boasts the likes of Silva, Johnson, De Jong, Yaya Toure and occasionally Vieira, Barry has so far started 21 out of 24 league games and come on as sub in another 2. Milner has started 15 and come on in another 6. So they're hardly on the outside looking in!
They're making enough money to secure them for life.. they're very much part of a squad that's chasing and capable of attaining league, fa cup and/or europa league success this season... and every day they turn up to work to train with the likes of Tevez and Silva.
Milner in particular, who is still young and hungry, will pick up so much from players of the calibre of the two mentioned and experienced midfielders like Vieira, De Jong and Yaya, he would be mad to even think of leaving at this stage.
I think people are just looking at the fact they didn't feature much in two games against us.
And as for Milner going to ManU - not a cat in hell's chance. You won't see City sell anyone decent to any of their rivals - they hardly need the money do they. Besides, Milner and his parents are such big Leeds fans he'd never go there.
I think this is a spot on post.
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It's when the big games up though, the FA Cup semis and UEFA cup semis and possibly finals when Milner is on the bench that it might hit home that a big fat contract is not the most important thing in life.
I'd love him back at the Villa but it's just not going to happen.
As an aside how hard is Nigel de Jong, I wouldn't fancy a 50-50 with him, he looks like he goes in to really hurt people.
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Can't see Milner going to Man Utd - they have too much arrogance to consider taking a player from their local rivals bench, IMO.
As someone mentioned above, they're getting enough games to keep them happy for now. What will be interesting is what happens if/when they qualify for the CL and the really top players start taking them seriously? I think then they'll become far enough down the pecking order to make leaving a possibility, at which time I'd make our play to get Milner back, but I'm taking Jan 2012 or the following summer.
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I can't see Barry still being a starter at City next season - I think he's benefited so far from the fact that Mancini is a conservative sort of manager. If you have a midfield three, and De Jong and Yaya Toure are nailed-on starters, you should want your third CM to be a bit more attack-minded. It should be Milner, but he goes with Barry instead. Wrong choice. But then again, if I were Mancini, I'd always start with Adam Johnson, I think he's a hell of a player.
I was confident when we sold him that we'd seen the best of Barry, and I think we did. But I feel a bit sad for Milner, he's been overlooked a bit at City. Don't care how many games he's started, they haven't got anywhere near the best out of him and he looks half the player he was for us last season. Personally, I was relieved they kept him on the bench against us.
I'd have Milner back in a heartbeat. Doubt it'll happen though.
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If Ashley is off in the summer as he may well be, would u offer him to Citeh in a swap for Jimmy M? If Ash doesn't want to sign a new contract, use him as bait for someone we want.
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If Ashley is off in the summer as he may well be, would u offer him to Citeh in a swap for Jimmy M? If Ash doesn't want to sign a new contract, use him as bait for someone we want.
Man City will be looking for much better players than Ashley Young
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The City fans are not enamoured with either. My neighbour (whom I found out was a life long supporter of them some time shortly after dancing round my living room at 5:48 on Saturday) reckons Barry is one of the worst players they've had in a long time. He wasn't that struck on Milner either.
That said I suppose for those who reckon Paul Dickov is a legend reality is somewhat skewed.
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Would Gerard want Milner for Villa. ?
I hope we got about 17 millions pounds waiting to buy him back and hopefully we can send Stephen Ireland back.
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If Ashley is off in the summer as he may well be, would u offer him to Citeh in a swap for Jimmy M? If Ash doesn't want to sign a new contract, use him as bait for someone we want.
I'm not sure Ashley will be off in the summer. The signing of Bent could demonstrate to him the clubs ambition, something we failed to deliver when Barry and Milner were at the club. I don't blame Barry for leaving, he was our best player every year and top players like to be surrounded by other top players. The same goes for Milner. The one thing Aston Villa have never done in all the time I've supported them is go out and buy a top player. I don't count Saunders or Collymore as top. They were good but there was always better around. Yorke and Platt we got on the cheap and developed. Bent is goal machine, the numbers prove it.
Barry, Milner and Ashley have one trait in common, they all ran/run the show at Villa. After a while, when the international call ups come along, they feel they've outgrown the club and want a new challenge. Hard as it is for us to accept, it is understandable. Add the extra money they'll get and the chance to win some silverware, it's a no brainer. Hopefully Ashley is taking note of what's happening around him and starts to believe there actually is a bright future for Aston Villa.
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Strange the different receptions both players got on saturday. Barry booed and laughed at when he was subbed despite 10 yrs decent service. Jimmy cheered and applauded as he warmed up despite only 100 games for the club and leaving for broadly the same reasons.
Personally am grateful to both for the games they played in a Villa shirt and wish them well warming up the subs bench at their new club.
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As with any club, it's to do with how they leave.
Milner kept his head down and was respectful, despite wanting the move, and played well in his farewell game for us.
Barry sulked all summer about not being allowed to join Liverpool, including doing it through the press, and eventually left for a team outisde the CL despite stating he wanted to leave so he could play in that competition.
If he had acted as Jimmy did, it wouldn't matter where he went or why.
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The City fans are not enamoured with either. My neighbour (whom I found out was a life long supporter of them some time shortly after dancing round my living room at 5:48 on Saturday) reckons Barry is one of the worst players they've had in a long time. He wasn't that struck on Milner either.
That said I suppose for those who reckon Paul Dickov is a legend reality is somewhat skewed.
My son married into a Man City family, and they don't have the same view on Barry or Milner. as was pointed out Saturday night amongst the tears, apart from the shot deflected on to the post Barry's 2 efforts were the closest they got.
I can never see why fans of sold players hold so much animosity for them. Its not as though either walked out on us 5 days before a season kicked off.
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I'd have Milner back without doubt. Quality centre-midfielder, just better than average wide player.
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As with any club, it's to do with how they leave.
Milner kept his head down and was respectful, despite wanting the move, and played well in his farewell game for us.
Barry sulked all summer about not being allowed to join Liverpool, including doing it through the press, and eventually left for a team outisde the CL despite stating he wanted to leave so he could play in that competition.
If he had acted as Jimmy did, it wouldn't matter where he went or why.
Fair point. Find it a tad embarrassing when we heckle players that left us. Better to act like my cat and pretend you haven't noticed them.
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As with any club, it's to do with how they leave.
Milner kept his head down and was respectful, despite wanting the move, and played well in his farewell game for us.
Barry sulked all summer about not being allowed to join Liverpool, including doing it through the press, and eventually left for a team outisde the CL despite stating he wanted to leave so he could play in that competition.
If he had acted as Jimmy did, it wouldn't matter where he went or why.
Fair point. Find it a tad embarrassing when we heckle players that left us. Better to act like my cat and pretend you haven't noticed them.
Interesting, though, that last season Barry was definitely thrown by the stick he got, and it looked very much the same this weekend, too.
So maybe it is worth giving them a hard time.
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Better to act like my cat and kill a squirrel, then lick your own arse.
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Stranger things have happened in football, it would be great to get Milner back and I still think he loves us but he will probably end up at Manure or spuds!
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Better to act like my cat and spurt foul-smelling urine in all four directions before shagging the first six females around you and biting the ear of the nearest male.
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i wouldnt take either back,
i was Barry's biggest fan on here but his days are behind him now,
i can remember many times over his 10 years at Villa where coming away from a match i was thinking he was the only thing worth watching,
never rated Milner as high as everyone else, yes good player, total profesional, never a winger and we have such good players in the midfield and coming through that i'd leave Milner where he is,
yes i know where we are in the league, but Delph, Macoun, Bannan, Petrov, Hogg, Clarke etc, we are plenty good enough without Milner,
i would still like a 'luxury' creative playmaker though, but not the workhorse
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Better to act like my cat and spurt foul-smelling urine in all four directions before shagging the first six females around you and biting the ear of the nearest male.
Sounds like a night out in Big Market.
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I would have Milner back like a shot but i don't think he will come back he will get is chance once Barry calls it a day, which won't be long considering Fat Baz's performance on saturday.
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Shame we never included a buy back or first option clause into the contract for Milner.
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Shame we never included a buy back or first option clause into the contract for Milner.
How do you know we didn't? Milner was clearly liked within the club so I wouldn't be surprised if we tried. Equally Man City wouldn't have much to lose by agreeing to it too. Here's hoping...
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Quite frankly I'm rather disappointed in some of you.
Barry gave us 10 good years and had plenty of chances to leave us in that time. He got to a point in his career when it was a "now or never" chance for him to move to a big club. As for Milner, he gave us the finger at the very first opportunity after less than 2 years of service. Baffles me how most on here treat Milner with more respect than Barry.
As for having either one of them back. NO THANKS.
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I think it was more the way the went about the respective transfers...
One acted with class and dignity and the other one bleated through the papers for months!
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They both wanted out, the only reason Barry dragged on for so long was because Liverpool weren't willing to match the price
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Shame we never included a buy back or first option clause into the contract for Milner.
If we buy Charlie Adam, I hope Paul Faulkner inserts a clause into the deal allowing me to cycle over Ian Holloway's foot
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Please, please let us sign Milner back.
Oh and get Lescott while we're there.
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Please, please let us sign Milner back.
Oh and get Lescott while we're there.
Lescott? He has been to the Curtis Davis school of defending.
No thank you.
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Shame we never included a buy back or first option clause into the contract for Milner.
How do you know we didn't? Milner was clearly liked within the club so I wouldn't be surprised if we tried. Equally Man City wouldn't have much to lose by agreeing to it too. Here's hoping...
The fee would probably be lower if we did,and no one at the club mentioned it at the time.