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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: littlevillain on January 17, 2011, 05:31:08 PM
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just heard liverpool made an offer for downing, didn't say how much but would like to keep him if we get bent.
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According the the Metro the cheeky b*****ds want Ashley Young as well! Maybe we should offer them Albrighton too just for good measure!!
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Downing has been our shining light so far this season.
Wouldn't be happy if he left.
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IF we lost him as the only way we could get Bent out of Sunderland in a cash+him deal then that would be one thing - but why sell him to Liverpool?? surely we need to supply the ball into DB to score and as stated he has been one of our best players this season.
I hope and honestly think this is clubs/press presuming that we dont have money so if we sign DB we must need to sell somebody big to fund it.
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Added to that Liverpool are one of the sides we could overhaul if things pick up - provided we don't help strengthen them!
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From The Guardian story on Bent:
Bruce is a long-standing admirer of the Villa left-winger Stewart Downing, who cost the Midlands club £12m when he joined from Middlesbrough. Although Downing has previously enjoyed a successful loan spell at Sunderland from Boro, Villa sources are adamant that Downing is not for sale. On the contrary, Houllier's view is that Downing is ideally equipped to create numerous goals for Bent, while reviving both their England careers.
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unless downing wants to go we need to keep him as he'll be one of the main suppliers to bents goals.
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From The Guardian story on Bent:
Bruce is a long-standing admirer of the Villa left-winger Stewart Downing, who cost the Midlands club £12m when he joined from Middlesbrough. Although Downing has previously enjoyed a successful loan spell at Sunderland from Boro, Villa sources are adamant that Downing is not for sale. On the contrary, Houllier's view is that Downing is ideally equipped to create numerous goals for Bent, while reviving both their England careers.
Cool. They can try for Habib Beye.
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be very dissapointed if Downing went. Things were looking up today aswell with the hopeful signing of Bent. Hopefully Villa will tell Liverpool to get stuffed!!!
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Anything concrete or is it the media low-balling us?
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i personally wouldnt be bothered if downing left...
i think he could be replaced quite easily, and i dont like the way that he shirks out of challenges... dont get me wrong, i think he has improved this season, however, if we sold him for 15 plus million, then we could replace him quite easily...
i would be more upset if albrighton left...
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Downing will supply the bullets for Bent.
Would be insanity to get rid of him.
If Bruce is saying 'Downing for Bent, or no deal'
Then fuck off Merrick, £18m will buy something classy from overseas.
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Sky saying source close to downing confirming Liverpool interest but villa saying he's not for sale.
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£18m will buy something classy from overseas.
Luis Suarez?
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i personally wouldnt be bothered if downing left...
i think he could be replaced quite easily, and i dont like the way that he shirks out of challenges... dont get me wrong, i think he has improved this season, however, if we sold him for 15 plus million, then we could replace him quite easily...
i would be more upset if albrighton left...
My thoughts entirely
Downing yesterday was back to his old poncy self. Bottling challenges and fannying about instead of getting the ball into the box quickly. Can't play on the right as he continually cuts in so has to play wide left or nowhere.
If we had a bid of 10 million I'd fuck him off
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Wouldn't be too fussed if he went, for a decent amount of course.
Great start to the season but seems to have disappeared recently.
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I can see Houllier wanting to do business with his beloved Liverpool to help them out, It would have to be close on £20M though & cash, up front
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£18m will buy something classy from overseas.
Luis Suarez?
81 goals in 108 games for Ajax.
Incredible.
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I wouldn't be distraught if -in time - we looked for better than Downing.
He seems to blow very hot and cold and doesn't impact on games as much as I'd have hoped for.
Against that, he can provide that one moment of quality, that one good ball that can turn a game. Plus he's added goals this year too. You could also make the argument that perhaps next year with even better players and without the pressure of a relegation scrap he might improve further.
Unless it was a really special offer I wouldn't be looking to offload him. If Ash departs in the next few months we'll have gone from having two players comfortable on the left to zero.
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£18m will buy something classy from overseas.
Luis Suarez?
81 goals in 108 games for Ajax.
Incredible.
I always think of Alfonso Alves when someone mentions a prolific striker in the Dutch league. Granted, RvN was decent I suppose.......
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£18m will buy something classy from overseas.
Luis Suarez?
81 goals in 108 games for Ajax.
Incredible.
Against such leading lights as Vittese Arnhem, Den Haag, Roda JC and De Graafschap. Not knocking him as a player. I actually think he'd do well here or in one of the top leagues.
But the likes of Samaras and Alfonso Alves had great scoring records in that league too.
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Downing is a good player, and in some good form for a little while this season. I'd still rather he stayed as I think he's one of the more 'intelligent' players we have who can change his game according to tactics etc, and I imagine Houllier may appreciate that side of his game.
But......I do think we could cope without him.
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Would be madness if we sold Dowing, IMO he has been our most consistent player this season
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Suarez is also a gigantic knob. Darren Bent is reasonably pleasant.
Would like us to keep Downing. He gives us something Albrighton and Ash don't.
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I can see Houllier wanting to do business with his beloved Liverpool to help them out, It would have to be close on £20M though & cash, up front
i can just see it now... You know I love this club I will do you a special deal. Heskey, Ireland, Warnock, NRC and Beye £40 million or Stevie G in exchange.
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The title should read "Downing off to Red Scouse?" It fucking does my head in. We'll be attracting posters from Villatalk next.
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The title should read "Downing off to Red Scouse?" It fucking does my head in. We'll be attracting posters from Villatalk next.
What, the Darkseekers?
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Why would we want to sell one of our better players to one of our "rivals"?
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The title should read "Downing off to Red Scouse?" It fucking does my head in. We'll be attracting posters from Villatalk next.
What, the Darkseekers?
Well, as long as it's not the New Seekers.
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The title should read "Downing off to Red Scouse?" It fucking does my head in. We'll be attracting posters from Villatalk next.
What, the Darkseekers?
Well, as long as it's not the New Seekers.
Hadn't you heard, BE? They'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony.
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Bollocks
Your not having him you scouse twats! He's staying End of
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Downing and Warnock for Torres + 10 mil and its a deal Queen Kenny....
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The title should read "Downing off to Red Scouse?" It fucking does my head in. We'll be attracting posters from Villatalk next.
By your command.
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What's French for 'FUCK OFF' ?
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Signing Bent and selling Downing and / or Young is no gain at all. Hope it is just rumours based on the (false?) assumption that we have no money and have to sell to buy.
the ones we need to sell to balance the books, salaries wise are Carew, Beye and Reo-Coker.
given the money from Milner, signing Bent and Makoun is still only a net spend of c£5-6M if my sums are right?
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What's French for 'FUCK OFF' ?
Most would say "Va te faire enculer !". You can get the same effect with "Va te faire mettre !" or even, "Kenny, tu peux me pomper le nœud !"
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The title should read "Downing off to Red Scouse?" It fucking does my head in. We'll be attracting posters from Villatalk next.
are u serious
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It's 'you'.
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The title should read "Downing off to Red Scouse?" It fucking does my head in. We'll be attracting posters from Villatalk next.
By your command.
Appreciated. Can't let standards slip. When it comes to grammar, spelling, syntax and punctuation, I believe that all forum drivel must display high standards.
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The title should read "Downing off to Red Scouse?" It fucking does my head in. We'll be attracting posters from Villatalk next.
By your command.
Appreciated. Can't let standards slip. When it comes to grammar, spelling, syntax and punctuation, I believe that all forum drivel must display high standards.
Well, we're not the Dark Side and the site rules are ready and available.
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are u serious
Yes, I am. We are not on KRO.
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you know what fucking does my head in grimshaw trainspotters
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What's French for 'FUCK OFF' ?
Most would say "Va te faire enculer !". You can get the same effect with "Va te faire mettre !" or even, "Kenny, tu peux me pomper le nœud !"
Crikey, they have a few ways of saying it !!
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Well, as I've mentioned before, I left school in 1984 (with a good command of typing, even though I didn't take it as an option with Sister Mary).
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I'm still at school. Never been allowed to leave.
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What's French for 'FUCK OFF' ?
Most would say "Va te faire enculer !". You can get the same effect with "Va te faire mettre !" or even, "Kenny, tu peux me pomper le nœud !"
Crikey, they have a few ways of saying it !!
To be fair, the last one was "Kenny, you may polish my helmet"
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I'm still at school. Never been allowed to leave.
I meant I left Grimshaw in 1984 so I can't help LV with his RRRs. ;-)
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Sky Sports News reporting that sources 'close to the player' say that there is a genuine interest in the player from Liverpool. Hope it is just an agent doing his job i.e. looking to get a new contract from Villa as opposed to Downing starting to pack his bags.
We shouldn't sell a major player until the summer. Let's get Bent, Adam with a couple of others and see if we can't break into the top 8 by the end of the season - it might help to pursuade a couple of the doubters.
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i personally wouldnt be bothered if downing left...
i think he could be replaced quite easily, and i dont like the way that he shirks out of challenges... dont get me wrong, i think he has improved this season, however, if we sold him for 15 plus million, then we could replace him quite easily...
i would be more upset if albrighton left...
My thoughts entirely
Downing yesterday was back to his old poncy self. Bottling challenges and fannying about instead of getting the ball into the box quickly. Can't play on the right as he continually cuts in so has to play wide left or nowhere.
If we had a bid of 10 million I'd fuck him off
Well said mate......
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Sky Sports News reporting that sources 'close to the player' say that there is a genuine interest in the player from Liverpool. Hope it is just an agent doing his job i.e. looking to get a new contract from Villa as opposed to Downing starting to pack his bags.
We shouldn't sell a major player until the summer. Let's get Bent, Adam with a couple of others and see if we can't break into the top 8 by the end of the season - it might help to pursuade a couple of the doubters.
We've brought Makoun and hopefully will be signing Bent, Last thing we want to do is sell one of our better performers
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i personally wouldnt be bothered if downing left...
i think he could be replaced quite easily, and i dont like the way that he shirks out of challenges... dont get me wrong, i think he has improved this season, however, if we sold him for 15 plus million, then we could replace him quite easily...
i would be more upset if albrighton left...
My thoughts entirely
Downing yesterday was back to his old poncy self. Bottling challenges and fannying about instead of getting the ball into the box quickly. Can't play on the right as he continually cuts in so has to play wide left or nowhere.
If we had a bid of 10 million I'd fuck him off
Well said mate......
Taking a loss of £2 miilion on what we paid for him is well said? Shit said more like.
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Great if Downing goes, my bet is he is off to Sunderland
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i personally wouldnt be bothered if downing left...
i think he could be replaced quite easily, and i dont like the way that he shirks out of challenges... dont get me wrong, i think he has improved this season, however, if we sold him for 15 plus million, then we could replace him quite easily...
i would be more upset if albrighton left...
My thoughts entirely
Downing yesterday was back to his old poncy self. Bottling challenges and fannying about instead of getting the ball into the box quickly. Can't play on the right as he continually cuts in so has to play wide left or nowhere.
If we had a bid of 10 million I'd fuck him off
Well said mate......
Taking a loss of £2 miilion on what we paid for him is well said? Shit said more like.
£10m is what we paid for him.
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Downing is not that good a player, so if we can get good money for him, sell him.
A.Young and Albrighton down the wings will supply the strikers.
Downing makes Ireland look like Andy Townsend when it comes to putting effort into a tackle. I wouldn't mind if he had the ability of, for example, a Merson where you didn't mind him not tackling because you knew he could win you the match at any point. Downing can't do that.
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Downing makes Ireland look like Andy Townsend when it comes to putting effort into a tackle
Wingers aren't in the team to make tackles.
When they try to, more often than not they end up giving away stupid free kicks and penalties.
See Albrighton, M
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Sky Sports News reporting that sources 'close to the player' say that there is a genuine interest in the player from Liverpool. Hope it is just an agent doing his job i.e. looking to get a new contract from Villa as opposed to Downing starting to pack his bags.
We shouldn't sell a major player until the summer. Let's get Bent, Adam with a couple of others and see if we can't break into the top 8 by the end of the season - it might help to pursuade a couple of the doubters.
We've brought Makoun and hopefully will be signing Bent, Last thing we want to do is sell one of our better performers
Better performers? Really? I've been to every home game this season and can confidently say one of our better performers he is not.
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Sky Sports News reporting that sources 'close to the player' say that there is a genuine interest in the player from Liverpool. Hope it is just an agent doing his job i.e. looking to get a new contract from Villa as opposed to Downing starting to pack his bags.
We shouldn't sell a major player until the summer. Let's get Bent, Adam with a couple of others and see if we can't break into the top 8 by the end of the season - it might help to pursuade a couple of the doubters.
We've brought Makoun and hopefully will be signing Bent, Last thing we want to do is sell one of our better performers
Better performers? Really? I've been to every home game this season and can confidently say one of our better performers he is not.
Is he not our top-scorer? Very few players have been overly impressive this season but Downing is one of the better ones. He wouldn't be our top scorer if he weren't.
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Downing makes Ireland look like Andy Townsend when it comes to putting effort into a tackle
Wingers aren't in the team to make tackles.
When they try to, more often than not they end up giving away stupid free kicks and penalties.
See Albrighton, M
See A.Young. Tracks back well and doesn't give too many fouls away, certainly not in stupid places. Albrighton is young and will learn, but I'd still rather him put the effort in.
And if Downing is a winger then NRC is a right-back. Wingers aren't that slow and unskillful.
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Pipped me to it Dave. He's as bad as Emule when it comes to scoring for us.
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Sky Sports News reporting that sources 'close to the player' say that there is a genuine interest in the player from Liverpool. Hope it is just an agent doing his job i.e. looking to get a new contract from Villa as opposed to Downing starting to pack his bags.
We shouldn't sell a major player until the summer. Let's get Bent, Adam with a couple of others and see if we can't break into the top 8 by the end of the season - it might help to pursuade a couple of the doubters.
We've brought Makoun and hopefully will be signing Bent, Last thing we want to do is sell one of our better performers
Better performers? Really? I've been to every home game this season and can confidently say one of our better performers he is not.
Is he not our top-scorer? Very few players have been overly impressive this season but Downing is one of the better ones. He wouldn't be our top scorer if he weren't.
It's not exactly hard to be our top goalscorer. Andy Cole was regularly top scorer (or one of), but he wasn't all that great a player.
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Can Carew be bothered!?!? you dont half talk a load of old scuttering arse.
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Downing is not that good a player, so if we can get good money for him, sell him.
A.Young and Albrighton down the wings will supply the strikers.
Downing makes Ireland look like Andy Townsend when it comes to putting effort into a tackle. I wouldn't mind if he had the ability of, for example, a Merson where you didn't mind him not tackling because you knew he could win you the match at any point. Downing can't do that.
You're entitled to that view but its typical of far too many Villa fans who seem to despise players who maybe, to use an 80's phrase "don't get their shorts dirty". He's our top scorer, has waded in with a few assists and whilst I do accept is a complete fanny provides so much to this team in technical ability. Football is so much less about tackling these days and so much more about technique and ball retention, why would we want to get rid of one of the players we have who has both?!! Staggered by peoples attitudes to him. I'm firmly in the he needs to stay camp.
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£10m is what we paid for him.
With an extra £2 m depending on appearences. How many appearences?
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Sky Sports News reporting that sources 'close to the player' say that there is a genuine interest in the player from Liverpool. Hope it is just an agent doing his job i.e. looking to get a new contract from Villa as opposed to Downing starting to pack his bags.
We shouldn't sell a major player until the summer. Let's get Bent, Adam with a couple of others and see if we can't break into the top 8 by the end of the season - it might help to pursuade a couple of the doubters.
We've brought Makoun and hopefully will be signing Bent, Last thing we want to do is sell one of our better performers
Better performers? Really? I've been to every home game this season and can confidently say one of our better performers he is not.
You should try watching games with your eyes open, Its a whole different experience
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I hope we keep him, been a good player this season, probably our best and most consistent. He'll chip in and score a few but most of all he'll be great for Bent.
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Downing is not that good a player, so if we can get good money for him, sell him.
A.Young and Albrighton down the wings will supply the strikers.
Downing makes Ireland look like Andy Townsend when it comes to putting effort into a tackle. I wouldn't mind if he had the ability of, for example, a Merson where you didn't mind him not tackling because you knew he could win you the match at any point. Downing can't do that.
You're entitled to that view but its typical of far too many Villa fans who seem to despise players who maybe, to use an 80's phrase "don't get their shorts dirty". He's our top scorer, has waded in with a few assists and whilst I do accept is a complete fanny provides so much to this team in technical ability. Football is so much less about tackling these days and so much more about technique and ball retention, why would we want to get rid of one of the players we have who has both?!! Staggered by peoples attitudes to him. I'm firmly in the he needs to stay camp.
Who gave the ball away on the edge of our box yesterday that led to the attack they scored from, yes he is technicaly decent, has very goood touch and can pick a pass, but drifts out of games, gives the ball up easily and has too many games without contributing. He is the typical luxury player and i will be glad to see the back of him.
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Pipped me to it Dave. He's as bad as Emule when it comes to scoring for us.
You can be a right ass sometimes.
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Downing is not that good a player, so if we can get good money for him, sell him.
A.Young and Albrighton down the wings will supply the strikers.
Downing makes Ireland look like Andy Townsend when it comes to putting effort into a tackle. I wouldn't mind if he had the ability of, for example, a Merson where you didn't mind him not tackling because you knew he could win you the match at any point. Downing can't do that.
You're entitled to that view but its typical of far too many Villa fans who seem to despise players who maybe, to use an 80's phrase "don't get their shorts dirty". He's our top scorer, has waded in with a few assists and whilst I do accept is a complete fanny provides so much to this team in technical ability. Football is so much less about tackling these days and so much more about technique and ball retention, why would we want to get rid of one of the players we have who has both?!! Staggered by peoples attitudes to him. I'm firmly in the he needs to stay camp.
Who gave the ball away on the edge of our box yesterday that led to the attack they scored from, yes he is technicaly decent, has very goood touch and can pick a pass, but drifts out of games, gives the ball up easily and has too many games without contributing. He is the typical luxury player and i will be glad to see the back of him.
The defence rests m'lud.
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Pipped me to it Dave. He's as bad as Emule when it comes to scoring for us.
You can be a right ass sometimes.
As the French say, "Fuck moi ! C'est l'hôpital qui se fout de la charité"
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Pipped me to it Dave. He's as bad as Emule when it comes to scoring for us.
You can be a right ass sometimes.
As the French say, "Fuck moi ! C'est l'hôpital qui se fout de la charité"
As Londoners are quited observed to say, 'Cor, fack me, lav a dack ap me apples and pears. Twas only a pun Mary Poppins'.
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Downing is not that good a player, so if we can get good money for him, sell him.
A.Young and Albrighton down the wings will supply the strikers.
Downing makes Ireland look like Andy Townsend when it comes to putting effort into a tackle. I wouldn't mind if he had the ability of, for example, a Merson where you didn't mind him not tackling because you knew he could win you the match at any point. Downing can't do that.
You're entitled to that view but its typical of far too many Villa fans who seem to despise players who maybe, to use an 80's phrase "don't get their shorts dirty". He's our top scorer, has waded in with a few assists and whilst I do accept is a complete fanny provides so much to this team in technical ability. Football is so much less about tackling these days and so much more about technique and ball retention, why would we want to get rid of one of the players we have who has both?!! Staggered by peoples attitudes to him. I'm firmly in the he needs to stay camp.
Who gave the ball away on the edge of our box yesterday that led to the attack they scored from, yes he is technicaly decent, has very goood touch and can pick a pass, but drifts out of games, gives the ball up easily and has too many games without contributing. He is the typical luxury player and i will be glad to see the back of him.
The defence rests m'lud.
Who pressed the GK to make the mistake for Gabby's chance in the first minute and also pressed the defenders which gave us possession at the edge of the area which came back to him for his first shot just wide a few minutes later.
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Pipped me to it Dave. He's as bad as Emule when it comes to scoring for us.
You can be a right ass sometimes.
As the French say, "Fuck moi ! C'est l'hôpital qui se fout de la charité"
As Londoners are quited observed to say, 'Cor, fack me, lav a dack ap me apples and pears. Twas only a pun Mary Poppins'.
So it was! I am that used to you getting annoyed about Heskey bashing, I completely missed it.
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Downing divides opinion, i really thought he had turned the corner for the first few months of the season and he seems to have gone back to last seasons performances. He is most effective on the left wing.
When he is playing well he takes defenders on and uses his pace, i havent seen him do that for months. I have to admit I have never been a great fan but do recognise that he is a player with ability but does not show it enough.
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Downing has been much improved this season and I would be sorry to lose him if he goes , but I can't really see him leaving.
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His best positon is wide left without question but circumstances and some strange decisions by the manager has meant he hasn't played there often enough. Our best performances have come when he has played there - Man Uts being an obvious example.
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He gets into good posistions and joins in play well, but its what he does with the ball when he gets into those positions thats disappointing. Too many times he shoots with his weaker foot when theres better options available. He dallies on the ball too long when theres an opportunity for a quick through ball. Also he really struggles when playing on the right, I dont know why we keep putting him out there.
When we signed him I wasnt excited at all but I thought if nothing else at least he's got a good cross on him, we've not seen enough decent crosses let alone good ones.
If we get a bid which means we'd get our money back then I'll be more than happy to let him go and get a proper winger in. The sad thing is though we'd probably play Gabby out wide for the rest of the season.
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He wont be going in January if at all, anyway. And neither will Young.
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He wont be going in January if at all, anyway. And neither will Young.
Randy won't sell either unless they hand transfer requests in, he is as desperate as we are to stay in the Prem., it's him who stands to lose a fortune if we did drop down to the Championship don't forget.
I also don't think either will be off for the time being.
Now let's move on then.
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I can't see Downing going. We need all the quality players we can get at the moment, to turn our season around.
Downing just needs to be played on the left wing. Simple.
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I wouldn't sell him we need to keep him especially if we get Bent he will provide the service for him he has been one of our better players this season so no i wouldn't sell him.
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i personally wouldnt be bothered if downing left...
i think he could be replaced quite easily, and i dont like the way that he shirks out of challenges... dont get me wrong, i think he has improved this season, however, if we sold him for 15 plus million, then we could replace him quite easily...
i would be more upset if albrighton left...
My thoughts entirely
Downing yesterday was back to his old poncy self. Bottling challenges and fannying about instead of getting the ball into the box quickly. Can't play on the right as he continually cuts in so has to play wide left or nowhere.
If we had a bid of 10 million I'd fuck him off
Well said mate......
Taking a loss of £2 miilion on what we paid for him is well said? Shit said more like.
Its called cutting one's losses
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Without Downing's goals this season we'd be as good as relegated by now. The problem he and Ashley Young have had is that there's been no striker to feed off their service. There is now.
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Still annoys me that he doesn't try and hit the by-line and whip crosses in. He plays as a winger when he's on form, when he's not he stops a run, cuts inside and looks for a 5 yard sideways pass.
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It's fair to say that we are currently (potentially) overloaded with midfielders of varying types.
I think that Houllier sees that greater strength in the centre of midfield and a lack of a proper cutting edge up front, were the obstacles that needed to be overcome. But until this was resolved, having Downing available as a reliable player who can move either right or left was the ideal patch-up option, to cover up not having NRC and Petrov for extended periods.
Going forward now (assuming we sign Adam) we have central mid cover in abundance, and with Gabby now taking up an additional wide attacking role, Downing is behind Young and Albrighton in the pecking-order.
Spending 20m on Bent is massive, but something has to giive elsewhere, and if we sign Adam I would not be shocked at all to see Downing move on for a fair price. I think Downing is great, but I can see the logic in a Downing transfer. Bent would not suffer from it IMO, with the quality we have elsewhere.
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I don't think Downing will go anywhere as long as we have a doubt over Young staying.
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I hope he stays but I don't think Young will be around after the summer, so no sense at all in getting rid of Downing now. I still think Allbrighton is in development and Downing is quality, if inconsistent. But then everyone has been "inconsistent", put politely, this season.
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It's fair to say that we are currently (potentially) overloaded with midfielders of varying types.
Really ?
Or are you counting Salifou and Osborne in that suggestion. We may have several, well 3, wide players who can play top of midfield, but we are short of everything else, that's why when Petrov, and Coker get injured we drop to bottom, well nearly.
I don't see Ireland as being available, Bannan, and co look short of something, Milners gone, Sidwell was useless now gone, who else is there.
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It's fair to say that we are currently (potentially) overloaded with midfielders of varying types.
Really ?
Or are you counting Salifou and Osborne in that suggestion. We may have several, well 3, wide players who can play top of midfield, but we are short of everything else, that's why when Petrov, and Coker get injured we drop to bottom, well nearly.
I don't see Ireland as being available, Bannan, and co look short of something, Milners gone, Sidwell was useless now gone, who else is there.
Delph and Hogg.
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Current midfielder, excluding Salifou and Osborne:-
1. Young
2. Downing
3. Albrighton
4. Petrov
5. NRC
6. Makou
7. Delph
8. Bannan
9. Ireland
10. Hogg
11. Herd
OK, there are some young uns in that, but none have exactly looked poor so far. Add Adam and Gardner, who's likely to step up next season, and eve with NRC and/or Petrov going we're well stocked.
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There was a stat on F365 the other week which stated that the player who created the most goal scoring opportunities this season in the PL was Malouda, 2nd............Downing.
Put Bent in there and wait til we see his assists racking up.
We shouldnt be selling any players to Liverpool...I think we will be in direct competition with them over the next couple of years for places in the table...whereabouts in the table im not sure yet!!
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Its called cutting one's losses
It's called being a mug. Whatever you may think of the player makes no difference when the general view is that Downing is Villa's most improved player. When that is the general view you make sure you sell at a profit.
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Current midfielder, excluding Salifou and Osborne:-
1. Young
2. Downing
3. Albrighton
4. Petrov
5. NRC
6. Makou
7. Delph
8. Bannan
9. Ireland
10. Hogg
11. Herd
OK, there are some young uns in that, but none have exactly looked poor so far. Add Adam and Gardner, who's likely to step up next season, and eve with NRC and/or Petrov going we're well stocked.
Thanks John
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Its called cutting one's losses
It's called being a mug. Whatever you may think of the player makes no difference when the general view is that Downing is Villa's most improved player. When that is the general view you make sure you sell at a profit.
Being a mug?
How very grown up of you.
Someone doesn't share your view so they are a mug.
Did posting such a witty comment interupt your colouring in??
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Its called cutting one's losses
It's called being a mug. Whatever you may think of the player makes no difference when the general view is that Downing is Villa's most improved player. When that is the general view you make sure you sell at a profit.
Being a mug?
How very grown up of you.
Someone doesn't share your view so they are a mug.
Did posting such a witty comment interupt your colouring in??
No, I'm stating facts, when you sell a commodity at a loss when you could be making a profit you are being a mug. Sorry you don't like the term but if you ask anyone they'll tell you the same.
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Current midfielder, excluding Salifou and Osborne:-
1. Young
2. Downing
3. Albrighton
4. Petrov
5. NRC
6. Makou
7. Delph
8. Bannan
9. Ireland
10. Hogg
11. Herd
OK, there are some young uns in that, but none have exactly looked poor so far. Add Adam and Gardner, who's likely to step up next season, and eve with NRC and/or Petrov going we're well stocked.
Blimey, that could do with a bit of thinning out, especially if Adam is coming in. I can see Petrov, Young, NRC, Ireland and either Hogg or Herd being moved on.
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Hmmmm
Im not sure that the correct term for selling something for less than you paid for it is called "being a mug"
So a man who sells a BMW for less than he paid for it 2 years earlier is a mug?
By your rationale MON would have been Emperor Mug
Downing IMO is a luxury player who doesn't deliver enough luxery and bugger me he had to improve on last season as he was by and large a disgrace.
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Downing IMO is a luxury player who doesn't deliver enough luxery and bugger me he had to improve on last season as he was by and large a disgrace.
And as I said, it's not your opinion that counts. Downing is seen as Villa's most improved player this season and it's brought him back into reckoning for England. When that happens you make sure you make money on any deal. Go to the "Makem Viewpoint" thread and you'll see that Sunderland fan would take him in an instant - Liverpool are rumoured to want him as well. When a set up like that is in the offing you don't take the first offer you get, you take the best offer!
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Why would Mr Potatohead have wanted Downing ? To maybe supply some crosses to Bent ?
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I'd sell him and sign N'Zogbia.
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Whether we like it or not there will have to be a degree of book balancing required at some point in the near future, especially if we sign Bent. Therefore if we can create a bidding war between Liverpool and Sunderland then we have to consider the option. Whilst it's rarely popular amongst the fans, to become a sustainable club ie without bankrupting Randy we need to get used to selling some if our better players when we're in a position of strength rather than when they have us by the balls and their contract is soon to expire.
I'd try and use the profit to get Drenth who has fallen out with his club in Spain as they've not paid him for months. He's primarily a left back but could cover the wing role too. It would improve us in a position we need and also provides insurance for the left wing position both now and if Young should choose to bugger off in the future.
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He has been really consistent, and our best player week in week out. Top scorer, and what i do like is the tracking back we didnt see last year. A dangerous midfielder or a winger that can cross it in to the danger zone. I dont think I would sell him, and certainly wouldnt want to (unless stupid money is quoted) I would look to Petrov, Reo and Ireland as being the expensive and expendables now, based on what I have seen over the last 12 months + at VP. I think Hogg especially is a super prospect to break through for us.
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i'd personaly drive him to Anfield,
and not charge him a penny if it meant getting rid of the overpriced, overpayed, overated, overhyped[on here] mincing fannying about excuse for a top class footballer.
and theres room in the back for a few others
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i'd personaly drive him to Anfield,
and not charge him a penny if it meant getting rid of the overpriced, overpayed, overated, overhyped[on here] mincing fannying about excuse for a top class footballer.
and theres room in the back for a few others
Have you seen any of his performances this season?
I think he has been our most productive player in creating chances.
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i'd personaly drive him to Anfield,
and not charge him a penny if it meant getting rid of the overpriced, overpayed, overated, overhyped[on here] mincing fannying about excuse for a top class footballer.
and theres room in the back for a few others
You don't watch our games do you ?
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i'd personaly drive him to Anfield,
and not charge him a penny if it meant getting rid of the overpriced, overpayed, overated, overhyped[on here] mincing fannying about excuse for a top class footballer.
and theres room in the back for a few others
Have you seen any of his performances this season?
I think he has been our most productive player in creating chances.
seen em all, i just dont get it
i watch him perform most weeks, inefective and anonymous and think no one on H+V is going to say that was any good,
come on here and apparently he was our most productive player, man of the match most of the time,
you and others must have a very low threshold of what you call a creative influential special player
as i've said before, Allbrighton does more, has more ability and is already at 21 a better footballer than Downing will ever be
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John, you're just wrong. Both the evidence of my own eyes and the published statistics demonstrate that Downing has been our most important player this season. Albrighton is a good prospect but he makes more mistakes in a single match (because he's young and still learning) than Downing does in a month.
If we're signing a prolific finisher it would be gross stupidity to give away the man who creates more chances than anyone else in the side.
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i'd personaly drive him to Anfield,
and not charge him a penny if it meant getting rid of the overpriced, overpayed, overated, overhyped[on here] mincing fannying about excuse for a top class footballer.
and theres room in the back for a few others
You don't watch our games do you ?
yeah, and he's very good at blasting the ball over the bar at free kicks another favourite is shooting wide when there is other better options, or even going a few yards forward and pretending he's going to actually beat someone, before realising he cant, so cuts back in, and passes backwards, fantastic
did you not see the blues game ?
your not really telling me he made much of a difference surely ??
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John, you're just wrong. Both the evidence of my own eyes and the published statistics demonstrate that Downing has been our most important player this season. Albrighton is a good prospect but he makes more mistakes in a single match (because he's young and still learning) than Downing does in a month.
If we're signing a prolific finisher it would be gross stupidity to give away the man who creates more chances than anyone else in the side.
you go on the liverpool and sunderland forums, they are shitting themselves at the thought of ending up with the useless dandy
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John, you're just wrong. Both the evidence of my own eyes and the published statistics demonstrate that Downing has been our most important player this season. Albrighton is a good prospect but he makes more mistakes in a single match (because he's young and still learning) than Downing does in a month.
If we're signing a prolific finisher it would be gross stupidity to give away the man who creates more chances than anyone else in the side.
you go on the liverpool and sunderland forums, they are shitting themselves at the thought of ending up with the useless dandy
And if I was a fan of Liverpool or Sunderland, and had seen a few of his TV appearances last season, I'd feel much the same way.
But as it is, I've seen him play a few times THIS season, and fully recognise how important he's become to the Aston Villa team.
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Some people on here refuse to acknowledge how well he has done this season because they have been against him from the off and want him to fail.
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John, you're just wrong. Both the evidence of my own eyes and the published statistics demonstrate that Downing has been our most important player this season. Albrighton is a good prospect but he makes more mistakes in a single match (because he's young and still learning) than Downing does in a month.
If we're signing a prolific finisher it would be gross stupidity to give away the man who creates more chances than anyone else in the side.
you go on the liverpool and sunderland forums, they are shitting themselves at the thought of ending up with the useless dandy
I am well aware of some of the ill informed, unknowledgeable tripe that gets posted on Internet forums so I will stick to what I know for myself ta.
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Petrov to Bent - Goal?
Reo Coker to Bent - Goal?
Downing to Bent - GOAL!
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he's very good at blasting the ball over the bar at free kicks
Think you've got him confused with Ashley Young there.
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I'm not bothered about him tackling, I want him to be productive at setting up attacks.
It will help him when we get a better left back in behind him.
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he's very good at blasting the ball over the bar at free kicks
Think you've got him confused with Ashley Young there.
From what I understand john e is happy for the club to accept a tube of toblerone and 20p from 'Arry for Ashley Young.
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Ashley, Downing and Albrighton are going to be absolutely vital to Bent in the coming weeks.
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yeah, and he's very good at blasting the ball over the bar at free kicks another favourite is shooting wide when there is other better options, or even going a few yards forward and pretending he's going to actually beat someone, before realising he cant, so cuts back in, and passes backwards, fantastic
did you not see the blues game ?
your not really telling me he made much of a difference surely ??
Well I did notice that our first two chances came about because Downing was putting pressure on their defenders who were on the ball. You did notice him pushing Foster in the first minute that lead to Gabby skying his shot over the bar. One of his shots wide that you were moaning about also came from his initial pressureon the defence.
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he's very good at blasting the ball over the bar at free kicks
Think you've got him confused with Ashley Young there.
From what I understand john e is happy for the club to accept a tube of toblerone and 20p from 'Arry for Ashley Young.
no. i hope we dont sell Young, think he's a great player as is Allbrighton
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If Babel goes then Downing will go to them.
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If Babel goes then Downing will go to them.
Why?
Babel is a striker, Downing a winger.
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Babel is also wank and no one will want him.
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i'd personaly drive him to Anfield,
and not charge him a penny if it meant getting rid of the overpriced, overpayed, overated, overhyped[on here] mincing fannying about excuse for a top class footballer.
and theres room in the back for a few others
Have you seen any of his performances this season?
I think he has been our most productive player in creating chances.
seen em all, i just dont get it
i watch him perform most weeks, inefective and anonymous and think no one on H+V is going to say that was any good,
come on here and apparently he was our most productive player, man of the match most of the time,
you and others must have a very low threshold of what you call a creative influential special player
as i've said before, Allbrighton does more, has more ability and is already at 21 a better footballer than Downing will ever be
Agree entirely
Old DJ Stew was back to his old bad self on Sunday, anonymous for the most part, unable to take a man on, slow and a bottler
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If Babel goes then Downing will go to them.
Why?
Babel is a striker, Downing a winger.
We have just kick started the transfer merry go round.
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Babel is also wank and no one will want him.
In my defence I didn't know he was in Hoffenheim for talks.
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Reo Coker to Bent - Goal?
are you sure?
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Reo Coker to Bent - Goal?
are you sure?
No, hence the question mark at the end.
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Reo Coker to Bent - Goal?
are you sure?
No, hence the question mark at the end.
;-D
downing all over the liverpool papers tonight ;-s
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If Babel goes then Downing will go to them.
So you think they want Downing to replace one of their reserves?
I don't see how anything has changed, we don't want to sell him.
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Gerry says this can be locked ;)
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no. i hope we dont sell Young, think he's a great player
That's funny because all the below that you aimed at the reason to sell Downing regardless of the price could easily be aimed at Ashley Young for most matches for almost two seasons.
yeah, and he's very good at blasting the ball over the bar at free kicks another favourite is shooting wide when there is other better options, or even going a few yards forward and pretending he's going to actually beat someone, before realising he cant, so cuts back in, and passes backwards, fantastic
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no. i hope we dont sell Young, think he's a great player
That's funny because all the below that you aimed at the reason to sell Downing regardless of the price could easily be aimed at Ashley Young for most matches for almost two seasons.
yeah, and he's very good at blasting the ball over the bar at free kicks another favourite is shooting wide when there is other better options, or even going a few yards forward and pretending he's going to actually beat someone, before realising he cant, so cuts back in, and passes backwards, fantastic
i just think Ash is a far better player, and Allbrighton, its my view
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Doesn't make any difference. You've seen the press conference. Downing's staying, Ash is staying. Liverpool, fuck off. Again.
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no. i hope we dont sell Young, think he's a great player
That's funny because all the below that you aimed at the reason to sell Downing regardless of the price could easily be aimed at Ashley Young for most matches for almost two seasons.
yeah, and he's very good at blasting the ball over the bar at free kicks another favourite is shooting wide when there is other better options, or even going a few yards forward and pretending he's going to actually beat someone, before realising he cant, so cuts back in, and passes backwards, fantastic
i just think Ash is a far better player, and Allbrighton, its my view
I agree
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John, you're just wrong. Both the evidence of my own eyes and the published statistics demonstrate that Downing has been our most important player this season. Albrighton is a good prospect but he makes more mistakes in a single match (because he's young and still learning) than Downing does in a month.
If we're signing a prolific finisher it would be gross stupidity to give away the man who creates more chances than anyone else in the side.
The question is do you want a player like Albrighton who may get caught in possession and concede a goal or put in a top quality cross to create one but generrally makes positive things happen, or Downing who anonymously never does a lot wrong. I appreciate him as a squad member but I do think his good form and thereby ever presence, is part of our decline. NRC is the same - he plays well within his lights and tries very hard but we look better when he's not there. If we can get more than half of the Bent fee for Downing he should be off to Liverpool - It can only benefit the development of Clark, Hogg, Herd and Bannan.