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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on November 10, 2010, 10:59:39 PM
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2-0 Home win.
Bannan 4
Albrighton 16
Friedel
Young (L.)
Dunne (should be Cuellar)
Collins
Warnock
Downing
Young (A.)
Bannan
Albrighton
Clark
Agbonlahor
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I'd pick:
---------------Friedel------------------
Lichaj---Collins---Cuellar---LYoung
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Albrighton-----AYoung-----Downing
----------------Agbonlahor-------------
However, I expect the same side as Leeg has put.
1-2. Agbonlahor will open the scoring before Berbatov and Nani score late on.
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Villa 0 NH 1
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2-1 to them. A good performance, but the 'unlucky villa' syndrome again..
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0-2 defeat. They'll completely dominate the midfield.
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Newton Heath lmao.
We usually do well against the 'top 4' at home... I'll go 1-1. Gonna be a big test for both Clarke and Bannan.
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2-1 to them. BannanNani are the scorers.
I think we'll play well but defensive error(s) will cost us this time.
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Scholes, Rafael and Evra under injury cloud...
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/english-premier-league/news/1031327/United-depleted
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1 - 3 sadly. Even though Scholes is suspended they will overrun us in midfield. 5 attack minded players and one holding player isn't going to hold them.
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Can't see Villa getting anything out of this.
I agree with the idea of switching Luke to LB and bringing in Lee Hi but doubt it'll happen.
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I think we should strengthen in midfield or we'llget over run. Would play Ireland I think, albrighton the unlucky man to miss out. An alternative would be to play downing more centrally
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0 - 2
Think we'll start okay first 10 minutes, then they'll have about 70% of the ball.
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I think we need Albrighton's workrate on sat,i'd push downing inside with Clark and Bannan/Ireland put Ash on the left. Worried that we'll get completly over run though.
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Can't see anything but 3-0 to them, with Bannan and Clark in midfield we just won't be able to contain them.
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After last night's defensive lapses, and how on earth our lightweight attack is expected to cope with the likes of Vidic, I can't see anything more likely than 0-4 to them.
Sorry.
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After yesterdays performance, looking at this match from an optimists point of view, I hope Man Utd give up when they take a 2-0 lead after about 15 minutes. That way we can save ourselves from embarrassment.
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I think 2-1 to Newton.
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3-1
Savo, Yorke, Draper.
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Hi all,long time reader and infrequent poster to this site i would just like to add my two cents to the upcoming game against Manure.
I have read up previous poster's comments about the upcoming game and feel that some of the pessimism is justifed with regard to our defending in previous games,but on the upside we have been creating and admittedly not taking the majority of our chances,so if this continues with creating opportunities at some stage we will surely start to finish a higher percentage of opportunities.
As for the game,Utd are not as in previous years defensively solid,so that's a reason to be somebit optomistic,the Baggies,Everton and Fulham have scored a minimum of two goals against their defence so that at least fills me with some hope.Also and i know this is a game on it's own merits,but last week wolves had a few good opportunities to take the lead while at 1-1,so that's a sign Utd can be got at.
Also this season their has been alot of surprising results,Blackpool beating L'pool at Anfield and Newcastle beating Arsenal at the Emirates shows that no matter who you are your not invinceable.
What doesn't help is Utd's good record at Villa park,but our result last season at their ground shows we can beat them.Also Utd so far this season are unbeaten,this in a strange way can help us,as they are going to lose at some stage and why not to us and we are long overdue a win against them at our ground,so the optomist in me says this will be a tight game and we will need some luck,but im going for a 1-0 home win! VFA UTV!
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Evra, Scholes and Rafael now all likely to be missing for them. They've got more injuries than we have, perhaps we should make it a five a side game.
9-7 to Villa.
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0-2 defeat. They'll completely dominate the midfield.
Totally agree unfortunately
I think they will completely over run us in midfield and basically tear us a new arsehole
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2-2
We will cause them problems going forward...they will boss the midfield.
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We could surprise ourselves, but I doubt it, what with all the injuries we have.
1-3 Manure
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After last night's defensive lapses, and how on earth our lightweight attack is expected to cope with the likes of Vidic, I can't see anything more likely than 0-4 to them.
Sorry.
Is this the same Vidic who is frightened at the very mention of Gabby?
I think we'll be more than a match for them, they're not as good as they once were and we should be well up for it.
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We were relieved to hang on against Blackpool last night.
I fear a stuffing on Saturday.
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I think we can get at them and create/score. But our problem is central midfield as it will be Bannan and Clarke up against whoever they have in there, so our chances of winning that battle are slim.
I've gone for an optomistic draw.
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0-2 defeat. They'll completely dominate the midfield.
Totally agree unfortunately
I think they will completely over run us in midfield and basically tear us a new arsehole
excellent, I could do with a new arsehole.
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I think it will be 0-0.
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I'd go with this team.
Friedel
L Young
Collins
Dunne
Warnock
Albrighton
Bannan
Clark
Downing
A Young
Agbonlahor
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0-2 defeat. They'll completely dominate the midfield.
Totally agree unfortunately
I think they will completely over run us in midfield and basically tear us a new arsehole
excellent, I could do with a new arsehole.
What even since Newcastle ? ;)
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For me I'd play same team as last night, but play Ashley central with Clark and push Bannan more forward.
Simply because Ash is stronger and has more energy.
Man U will defo play 442, so I'd also drop Dunne he's too imobile, especially after getting done by Harewood last night
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Hate these games, always the same, but im gunna go with..
Villa 0-0 Ure - Drab, boring, edgy and they might sneak it, just the usual...
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I admire your optimism Legion, but I can't see us getting anything from this game.
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1 - 2
Two goals for them from "Little Pea", our goal to be scored by "Medium Free Range Egg"
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Two goals for them from "Little Pea", our goal to be scored by "Medium Free Range Egg"
ha! superbo
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Similar to what other people have put. We will most probably have a centre midfield that has around 10 prem games max experience against the like or fletcher, carrick and even Gibson. Can't see us winning, but they have only won once away this season and drawn the rest.
0-1
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Be nice if Mr. H would drop Dunne but with Cuellar also being a doubt he seems set to retain his place.
One positive is that if Rafael is injured then there is a small possibility that 'Son of Neville Neville' could play. That has got to be a bonus for us and is definitely a weak link for them. In saying that though they may play someone else entirely?
*Edit: I forgot to add we'll probably lose.
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I think we have to have 3 in the middle otherwise I too fear we will get overrun.
It wouldn't surprise me to see him play a similar formation to the Blues games with Ireland, Bannan and Clark in the middle with Downing and Young wide and Gabby up top. Ireland to play more advanced but drop into the midfield when we don't have the ball. As our only experienced midfield player, he has to step up to the plate at some point.
We will play a lot more conservatively than last night and it will be tight.
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If we started without a striker against Burnley, then we might start this one with 10 defenders. Formation, lying on top of each other like bricks in a wall, in the goal. Either way, we'll be beaten. I'll go 0-3.
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Can't see past a 0-3 defeat
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I think we'll get beat, only by 1 or 2 goals but I think it'll be effortless for Man Utd.
Our midfield of Downing, Clark, Bannan, Albrighton will be totally out bossed by (a guess) of their midfield of Park, Carrick, Fletcher, Nani
I just think they'll struggle to score, so I'll guess at a 1-0 defeat.
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2-0 Home win.
Bannan 4
Albrighton 16
Friedel
Young (L.)
Dunne (should be Cuellar)
Collins
Warnock
Downing
Young (A.)
Bannan
Albrighton
Clark
Agbonlahor
Do you always go with your heart and not your head?
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Be nice if Mr. H would drop Dunne but with Cuellar also being a doubt he seems set to retain his place.
One positive is that if Rafael is injured then there is a small possibility that 'Son of Neville Neville' could play. That has got to be a bonus for us and is definitely a weak link for them. In saying that though they may play someone else entirely?
*Edit: I forgot to add we'll probably lose.
I remember in the CC Final last year when spawn of satan neville came on, ashley swopped wings so he would be up against him - then we dindt give ashley the ball for 10 mins so he went over to the right.
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0-3 if we are lucky
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Just heard that Evra and Rafael are out for Saturday's game so it could be a day for Ash, Downing and Albrighton to shine.
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I think we should put Bryan Small in the starting 11 and we will geta 1-1 draw...
goal - Agbonlahor
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Just heard that Evra and Rafael are out for Saturday's game so it could be a day for Ash, Downing and Albrighton to shine.
Brown and O'Shea will come in, meaning they'll play a flat back four and a deep backline so we're less likely to get in behind. That won't help Gabby getting in one on one situations with Vidic.
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Well observed, JJ. This could give us a little more space in midfield, though, so Bannan and Young might get a bit more space creatively.
One way or another, I think this one will be a frustrating defeat, probably an Hernandez goal to nil.
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Berbatov will turn Dunne inside out, he's due a goal.
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I really can't see us getting anything out of this one if we struggle to beat Blackpools reserves.
0-2
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Home win. Their run is coming to an end.
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A game where we really needed Stan or NRC in midfield. Our central midfield is now so lightweight it could even make Carrick look like a decent player on Saturday. I fear a drubbing.
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Being as positive (and realistic) as possible
Villa 1-1 Man Utd
(Delfouneso 90+4) (Nani 16)
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Berbatov will turn Dunne inside out, he's due a goal.
Berbatov is too F***** lazy to turn any defender inside out.
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0-2, Nani and Hernandez
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I've had a bizarre feeling we're going to win this convincingly all day. Maybe it's listening to my work colleagues (one trip to Manchester between all 5 of them) and subsequent wishful thinking? 4-1.
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Wouldn't anticipate Gabby to start but you never know with GH -
Obviously few if any options due to long injury list -
Backs to wall stuff I imagine ............would take a 0-0 but
can't see anything but comfortable away victory ( I'm useless at predictions)
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They're due a loss, unbeaten this season....
We're due a home win against them, last time was '95 ("you'll win nothing with kids..")...
It's got home win written all over it. (I've almost convinced myself).
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Although i've posted my prediction already, I can't see a game at home to blackpool and our performance in that game having any bearing whatsoever on this one. Completely different states of mind. We expect to beat Blackpool and so have everything to lose, we expect to lose this one realistically, so the players can go out and have a real go with the pressure off.
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I'm going for a 2-1 home win.
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Surprised at the negativity on here. I think we can beat them. In fact I'm confident we can given the fine line between wins and draws for us recently, and their massive injuries. I'll take 2-1
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Surprised at the negativity on here. I think we can beat them. In fact I'm confident we can given the fine line between wins and draws for us recently, and their massive injuries. I'll take 2-1
Really? I think we'll get a point but I can't believe anyone thinks not expecting much is being negative. Here are the home games v that lot in full since our last league home win, in which we've taken a gigantic 5 points from a possible 42.
Does any other PL team have such a bad home record against another PL side?
2009/2010 Aston Villa 1-1 Manchester United
2008/2009 Aston Villa 0-0 Manchester United
2007/2008 Aston Villa 0-2 Manchester United
2007/2008 Aston Villa 1-4 Manchester United
2006/2007 Aston Villa 0-3 Manchester United
2005/2006 Aston Villa 0-2 Manchester United
2004/2005 Aston Villa 0-1 Manchester United
2003/2004 Aston Villa 0-2 Manchester United
2003/2004 Aston Villa 1-2 Manchester United
2002/2003 Aston Villa 0-1 Manchester United
2001/2002 Aston Villa 2-3 Manchester United
2001/2002 Aston Villa 1-1 Manchester United
2000/2001 Aston Villa 0-1 Manchester United
1999/2000 Aston Villa 0-1 Manchester United
1999/2000 Aston Villa 3-0 Manchester United
1998/1999 Aston Villa 1-1 Manchester United
1997/1998 Aston Villa 0-2 Manchester United
1996/1997 Aston Villa 0-0 Manchester United
This is my least favourite game of the season. Year after fucking year, it is pretty much the same story - revolting "Brummie Reds" on their one day out a season, their arrogant wanker away fans, more often than not, our plucky first half then they effortlessly move up a gear and kill us off.
Horrible, horrible, horrible, and this year with the added bonus that it almost certainly won't sell out.
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Surprised at the negativity on here. I think we can beat them. In fact I'm confident we can given the fine line between wins and draws for us recently, and their massive injuries. I'll take 2-1
Really? I think we'll get a point but I can't believe anyone thinks not expecting much is being negative. Here are the home games v that lot in full since our last league home win, in which we've taken a gigantic 5 points from a possible 42.
Does any other PL team have such a bad home record against another PL side?
2009/2010 Aston Villa 1-1 Manchester United
2008/2009 Aston Villa 0-0 Manchester United
2007/2008 Aston Villa 0-2 Manchester United
2007/2008 Aston Villa 1-4 Manchester United
2006/2007 Aston Villa 0-3 Manchester United
2005/2006 Aston Villa 0-2 Manchester United
2004/2005 Aston Villa 0-1 Manchester United
2003/2004 Aston Villa 0-2 Manchester United
2003/2004 Aston Villa 1-2 Manchester United
2002/2003 Aston Villa 0-1 Manchester United
2001/2002 Aston Villa 2-3 Manchester United
2001/2002 Aston Villa 1-1 Manchester United
2000/2001 Aston Villa 0-1 Manchester United
1999/2000 Aston Villa 0-1 Manchester United
1999/2000 Aston Villa 3-0 Manchester United
1998/1999 Aston Villa 1-1 Manchester United
1997/1998 Aston Villa 0-2 Manchester United
1996/1997 Aston Villa 0-0 Manchester United
Horrible, horrible, horrible, and this year with the added bonus that it almost certainly won't sell out.
And wasn't the one win in that lot against their youth team in the League Cup?
Just six goals we've scored past them in their last 14 visits.
At least our away record against them makes better reading...
2009/10 Manchester United 0-1 Aston Villa
(Haven't got time to key in the previous 26 OT results)
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I understand that our record against them is utter shit. I've lived through that entire list so it's not lost on me. However, given that most of the Man U teams in that list were significantly better than the current side I think we have a real chnace of breaking this miserable run. I'm not stupid enough to say it will be easy. Far from it as whatever they put out will be solid. But they don't have the individual match winners as in past years. That, in my opinon is the break we needed.
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Bananaman to showcase his awesome talent by completely running the midfield alongside Clark.
However, it'll all come to nought as A.Young will want to show 'appy 'arry that HE is the star but he'll do nothing but over-hit crosses, drag his shots wide and be a petulant little cock that'll get his billy-big-bollocks sent off on the hour mark leaving the rest of the team to defend a slender one goal lead up until the 98th minute when Berbatov will score 4 times.
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I think they are there for the taking, we have been playing some fantastic football in recent games apart form stickin the ball in the onion bag
2-2 with Villa takin the lead twice and the red Sh!te bagging a 95th minute equaliser
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until the 98th minute when Berbatov will score 4 times.
Nah, their 12th player would have blown for full time after his 2nd goal.
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It's about time we showed these c**ts who's boss.
5-0 to the Villa.
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If Cuellar and Beye are out, does extending Davies' loan make sense?
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Surprised at the negativity on here. I think we can beat them. In fact I'm confident we can given the fine line between wins and draws for us recently, and their massive injuries. I'll take 2-1
Really TV? I am usually amazed by the unswerving positivity on here though granted I am a pessimistic sod when it comes to the Villa. I reckon we will lose 2-1 or 1-0 just to stay in character!
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I think they are there for the taking, we have been playing some fantastic football in recent games apart form stickin the ball in the onion bag
2-2 with Villa takin the lead twice and the red Sh!te bagging a 95th minute equaliser
So 2-2 is the result of them "being there for the taking" ... that's probably the most negative post on this thread!!
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2001/2002 Aston Villa 2-3 Manchester United
What a game that was though!
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Our record against them is horrible but they've been hard for every team to beat. We're due a win.
12.09.2009 Tottenham Hotspur 1-3 Manchester United
13.12.2008 Tottenham Hotspur 0-0 Manchester United
02.02.2008 Tottenham Hotspur 1-1 Manchester United
04.02.2007 Tottenham Hotspur 0-4 Manchester United
17.04.2006 Tottenham Hotspur 1-2 Manchester United
25.09.2004 Tottenham Hotspur 0-1 Manchester United
21.12.2003 Tottenham Hotspur 1-2 Manchester United
27.04.2003 Tottenham Hotspur 0-2 Manchester United
29.09.2001 Tottenham Hotspur 3-5 Manchester United
19.05.2001 Tottenham Hotspur 3-1 Manchester United
23.10.1999 Tottenham Hotspur 3-1 Manchester United
12.12.1998 Tottenham Hotspur 2-2 Manchester United
10.08.1997 Tottenham Hotspur 0-2 Manchester United
12.01.1997 Tottenham Hotspur 1-2 Manchester United
01.01.1996 Tottenham Hotspur 4-1 Manchester United
27.08.1994 Tottenham Hotspur 0-1 Manchester United
15.01.1994 Tottenham Hotspur 0-1 Manchester United
19.09.1992 Tottenham Hotspur 1-1 Manchester United
28.09.1991 Tottenham Hotspur 1-2 Manchester United
11.09.2010 Everton 3-3 Manchester United
20.02.2010 Everton 3-1 Manchester United
25.10.2008 Everton 1-1 Manchester United
15.09.2007 Everton 0-1 Manchester United
28.04.2007 Everton 2-4 Manchester United
13.08.2005 Everton 0-2 Manchester United
20.04.2005 Everton 1-0 Manchester United
07.02.2004 Everton 3-4 Manchester United
11.05.2003 Everton 1-2 Manchester United
26.12.2001 Everton 0-2 Manchester United
16.09.2000 Everton 1-3 Manchester United
08.08.1999 Everton 1-1 Manchester United
31.10.1998 Everton 1-4 Manchester United
27.08.1997 Everton 0-2 Manchester United
22.03.1997 Everton 0-2 Manchester United
09.09.1995 Everton 2-3 Manchester United
25.02.1995 Everton 1-0 Manchester United
23.10.1993 Everton 0-1 Manchester United
12.09.1992 Everton 0-2 Manchester United
24.08.1991 Everton 0-0 Manchester United
01.12.1990 Everton 0-1 Manchester United
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I had a dream last night that we bet them 2-0 but it was played in Old Trafford.
If we get a draw at our place I would be thrilled.
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I really hate these fuckers more than a combined team of Dogshitters, Cheslea, Arsenal with gary GLitter as CF
Really hope we can pull something out
Dont see a lot wrong with our play (some defensive cock ups aside) its all about when the chances come, and they will, we need to bury them
Although they are still at the top of the table and the only credible challengers to Chelsea i do feel this season they are the weakest squad i have ever seen of theirs - even if all their unfit players were fit
Dont think we will get a better chance
Anyone know who the ref is ?
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Anyone know who the ref is ?
It'll be the fat fella with the black kit on
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Mike Dean is the ref
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Hopefully Ferdinand will not be over his injury picked up on Wednesday night.
(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9182/snn1219rio682z1162633a.jpg)
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Our record against them is horrible but they've been hard for every team to beat. We're due a win.
12.09.2009 Tottenham Hotspur 1-3 Manchester United
13.12.2008 Tottenham Hotspur 0-0 Manchester United
02.02.2008 Tottenham Hotspur 1-1 Manchester United
04.02.2007 Tottenham Hotspur 0-4 Manchester United
17.04.2006 Tottenham Hotspur 1-2 Manchester United
25.09.2004 Tottenham Hotspur 0-1 Manchester United
21.12.2003 Tottenham Hotspur 1-2 Manchester United
27.04.2003 Tottenham Hotspur 0-2 Manchester United
29.09.2001 Tottenham Hotspur 3-5 Manchester United
19.05.2001 Tottenham Hotspur 3-1 Manchester United
23.10.1999 Tottenham Hotspur 3-1 Manchester United
12.12.1998 Tottenham Hotspur 2-2 Manchester United
10.08.1997 Tottenham Hotspur 0-2 Manchester United
12.01.1997 Tottenham Hotspur 1-2 Manchester United
01.01.1996 Tottenham Hotspur 4-1 Manchester United
27.08.1994 Tottenham Hotspur 0-1 Manchester United
15.01.1994 Tottenham Hotspur 0-1 Manchester United
19.09.1992 Tottenham Hotspur 1-1 Manchester United
28.09.1991 Tottenham Hotspur 1-2 Manchester United
11.09.2010 Everton 3-3 Manchester United
20.02.2010 Everton 3-1 Manchester United
25.10.2008 Everton 1-1 Manchester United
15.09.2007 Everton 0-1 Manchester United
28.04.2007 Everton 2-4 Manchester United
13.08.2005 Everton 0-2 Manchester United
20.04.2005 Everton 1-0 Manchester United
07.02.2004 Everton 3-4 Manchester United
11.05.2003 Everton 1-2 Manchester United
26.12.2001 Everton 0-2 Manchester United
16.09.2000 Everton 1-3 Manchester United
08.08.1999 Everton 1-1 Manchester United
31.10.1998 Everton 1-4 Manchester United
27.08.1997 Everton 0-2 Manchester United
22.03.1997 Everton 0-2 Manchester United
09.09.1995 Everton 2-3 Manchester United
25.02.1995 Everton 1-0 Manchester United
23.10.1993 Everton 0-1 Manchester United
12.09.1992 Everton 0-2 Manchester United
24.08.1991 Everton 0-0 Manchester United
01.12.1990 Everton 0-1 Manchester United
True, they are hard to beat, but the two examples you've posted both have significantly better records at home to Man United than we do!
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True, they are hard to beat, but the two examples you've posted both have significantly better records at home to Man United than we do!
You asked "Does any other PL team have such a bad home record against another PL side?" I'm not sure but our miserable 11 points should be considered relative to Everton 12 points and Spurs 13 points. We just need to smash them tomorrow :-)
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It will be 1-1. We'll take the lead in the first 10 minutes, they'll equalise in the last ten minutes. Sadly inevitable against that horrible, scummy lot.
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It'd be better if Ferguson didn't have such obvious respect for us and keep insisting on putting his strongest team out here.
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I'm optimistically going to go for a 2-1 victory to us. Gabby has a good record against them, and I think the young lads will be well up for this.
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0-0
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a terrific Downing double sandwiching an Agbonlahor strike. Nani getting a late commiseration goal. As we will have beaten BBC United, expect us still to be last on Match of the Day.
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True, they are hard to beat, but the two examples you've posted both have significantly better records at home to Man United than we do!
You asked "Does any other PL team have such a bad home record against another PL side?" I'm not sure but our miserable 11 points should be considered relative to Everton 12 points and Spurs 13 points. We just need to smash them tomorrow :-)
Since our last win, we have 5 points, not 11.
I saw something the other day about Spurs' results against the "big four" which was really quite surprising. To the point it looked like there was some kind of actual jinx in operation.
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The OS says this match is early tomorrow morning? At the start of the week they were saying the Blackpool match was at the weekend and on the day of the game were saying it's in the afternoon. That's so very poor.
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We need to shut this game down early on and make it a boring and scrappy midfield encounter as with the Blues and Chelsea games. It won't be pretty but it is the best bet on us getting a result in this game, were also bound to get a few chances and hopefully we will be able to nick one on the break.
I would go for the same team we started with Blackpool, we don't have much choice really, and bring on Gabby as a super-sub in the second half. Could this be a game Ireland could shine in? Possibly, but considering his peformances I would leave him warming the bench.
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a terrific Downing double sandwiching an Agbonlahor strike. Nani getting a late commiseration goal. As we will have beaten BBC United, expect us still to be last on Match of the Day.
Guaranteed?
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The annual first visit of the season - because of cause we will end up drawing them in the FA Cup as usual - and the usual miserable home defeat. 1-3 to the Kent and Cornwall Gloryhunters.
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I think I hate this game more than the noses game. It is overloaded with significance.
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The last few years have bucked the trend insofar as we've actually faced Man U with pretty much a full strength squad. There was a period previously that whenever we faced them we always seemed to be missing a few key players through injury or suspension.
Last Dec it was they who had a decimated squad even, with Carrick and Evans(?) at CB.
With the amount of first teamers we have out it should be a straightforward win for them. But whenever Rooney didn't play last year they looked very ordinary. He's been poor this season but is still one of the few world class players they now have. Him out and Valencia out and they look mortal.
They've been lucky this season, drawing games or winning when they've been outplayed. And they've been outplayed or matched by some very ordinary sides, Sunderland, Wolves et.c.
Had they lost mid week I'd opt for a Man U win or a draw - as they rarely lose two in a row. But seeing as they're still somehow unbeaten I'll go for a Villa win. 1-0, a penalty or ugly deflection. Their record has to go at some point -and it might as well be to us.
One thing though, Dunne and Collins won't be able to fumble their way through this one. Any half arsed attempts at defending as we've seen in a few games and it could get ugly. I'd go as far as to say I'd prefer to see Dunne sit this one out. But if he plays he needs to be on the money.
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It might be sacriligeous but I'm not overly fussed about this result. Logic says we'll lose, but it'll also be a learning curve for Gerard's Juniors.
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Were we to win though it could give give real credence to the notion that Gerard's juniors will save us a packet in the transfer market.
Bannan looking good versus a Fulham side giving him time to play is one thing. But if he looks like he belongs against a side like Man U and some of the other young guns turn in really convincing performances and we win we may see some of the pessimism around the club lift. For a bit.
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Were we to win though it could give give real credence to the notion that Gerard's juniors will save us a packet in the transfer market.
Bannan looking good versus a Fulham side giving him time to play is one thing. But if he looks like he belongs against a side like Man U and some of the other young guns turn in really convincing performances and we win we may see some of the pessimism around the club lift. For a bit.
You'd need to shoot the internet to lift the supposed pessimism. A win would be great, but losing shouldn't be the end of the world.
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I think they may surprise us, personally I think they underestimated Blackpool the other night. I'm hoping they'll be well up for this game, and Manure are not that good.
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Madness I know but I think we are going to win tomorrow and I haven't felt that since we last beat them.
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A 1-1 draw. :-\
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This is a tough one. I can see us scoring a couple but also letting in a couple. I will go for the same as I predicted for Blackpool - 3.2 to the Villa with Fonz the 1st goal scorer.
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Law of averages says we have to beat them at Villa Park eventually.
2-1 United.
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Is Gabby likely to be ready to start? Ireland's a doubt, so I guess the lineup is otherwise predictable
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Hope our lads aren't fucked after playing high-octane stuff til the very end the other night. Very nervous about our inexperienced midfield and the defence which suddenly looks shaky. We did keep Chelsea scoreless recently though and played pretty well, Coker's energy and combativeness will be a big miss tomorrow though.
Narrow defeat, unfortunately.
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2-0 United. No idea why, but I think it'll be a much-of-a-muchness game that swings on a slightly contentious decision, and then United add another one in the last ten minutes to put some media gloss on it.
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Think we may need to play Downing more narrow to combat their midfield, with Ash reverting to a wing position. That would mean 3 left footers in centre midfield (funny how odd that sounds whereas 3 right footers wouldn't be considered unusual at all)
Unless Ireland makes a recovery, I can't see too many options. Surely not Hogg?
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remember the FA Cup game at Old Trafford and Osbourne had a vey good game
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Don't forget they're in the middle of an injury crisis. And the media don't seem to have noticed that we are. Clearly it'll be a miracle if United beat us.
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maybe just maybe
2 seasons ago Vidic hauls back Gabby.blatent last man foul. No pen no red card
last year league cup Same again this time pen but no red card
could it be..... Pen and red card
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any one any idea what thier team is for tomorrow
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Scholes, Rooney, Evra, Hargreaves, Valencia, Owen and Rafael out.
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van de sar
brown fedinand vidic o shea
nani carrick fletcher park
berbatov manuel
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downing clarke bannan young albrighton
i guess is our midfield god help us
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any one any idea what thier team is for tomorrow
I'd guess at
..................VDS
Brown Ferdinand Vidic O'Shea
Nani Carrick Fletcher Park
...........Berbatov Chicarito
Or he might play one upfront with Gibson or Obertan/Bebe wide with Nani and Park central.
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I can see Fletcher bossing the middle and Nani ripping Warnock to bits.
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Surely we should be wishing the lads well in what will be, for most of them, a very testing afternoon. They may surprise us yet, even though the phrase "lambs to the slaughter" cannot be far from our thoughts.
Good luck to them all. We shall be there for them whatever may befall.
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Evra trained yesterday, so I guess he will be playing. Stephen Ireland has flu and will probably miss today's game.
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Evra trained yesterday, so I guess he will be playing. Stephen Ireland has flu and will probably miss today's game.
SHIT.
Ireland had a perfect opportunity to impress today.
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Brown is a weak spot.. need to get right at him from the off.... maybe let Ash do it..
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Anyone know how many tickets we've sold?
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Whatever happens i hope we have a go. Never mind negative tactics and hoping for a draw, i'd rather have a real go and try to win it and if we lose doing that so be it.
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i have my devon red mate coming over to watch this game today, and around for the boxing later... its going to be a long day of him giving me jip...
he is one of those idiot fans who really does deserve a punch when talking about football and the club who he has no affiliation with whatsoever other than the happy coincidence that they are the most successful in his lifetime, that he alleges to have supported since he were a fetus, despite never travelling further north than exeter before he came to visit me in birmingham...
in fact, why am i friends with him?!? thats it, hes getting a punch when he walks in the door...
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Great day of sport with us and then England vs Australia in the rugby...even though we will probably lose both!
Always evokes memories of big clashes with Man Ure back in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Used to love the atmosphere of those matches when I lived in Brum
Stuck some money on Villa at 7/2 as you never know...
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Anyone know how many tickets we've sold?
I reckon it will be around the 40k mark, theres still tickets left in all areas of the ground. Not surprising when some tickets are up to £45, disgusting price. £43 for away fans aswell when we used to charge around £30 just a few years ago, how can the club justify such a price increase in such a short space of time when we haven't won or done anything?
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sky presenter askes Andy Gray " Is it good for Houlier to be playing these young players"
he aint go no choice you twat ........
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i think 4-5-1 is the way to start the game and then go from there. The midfield is going to be the crucial area and the good thing for us is that we are playing Man U. If that doesn't give the likes of Clark, Bannan, Delfouneso a lift then nothing will. Injuries or not Man U are still one of the better teams that they will face this season.
It depends on how Gabby has looked in training, and if Houllier thinks that him getting at the Man U back line will be best for us today. But But if we have to make a change I'd rather Gabby come on than Delfouneso. In saying that I think Gabby came on on Wednesday with half an hour to go with today's game in mind. But I think Houllier will go on gut feeling for today and what he has seen in training since the midweek game.
Surprisingly its our back line that is worrying. Warnock was targetted at Fulham and Gera was giving him a torrid time in the first-half. He improved a lot in the 2nd half but sounds like he was back to his worst against Blackpool. We neede the back 5 to be at their best today because iof the youngsters are struggling, or even getting over-exuberant, then we need the experienced players to get them through.
The winning of the game is in Ash. He's picked it up in the last game or two and if he scores once I think that will give him a huge lift. he hasn't actually been taking players on in his new role and needs to do it. if he starts well then we will, and we tend to start games very well. Get an early goal and then who knows.
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sky presenter askes Andy Gray " Is it good for Houlier to be playing these young players"
he aint go no choice you twat ........
Which is basically what Gray said!
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If Ash has a MOM game expect Fergie to sign him in summer ....
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Anyone know how many tickets we've sold?
I reckon it will be around the 40k mark
Suppose that's decent. It will be the third time in seven league games we'll have broke 40k, with Arsenal and West Brom as the next two home games, and then Spurs on boxing day should all be around or over 40k.
If we add one or two in January and continue to progress our season average could be pretty decent yet.
Agree on the ticket prices complaint though, although the slow rise is something I've not been aware of as I pay upfront - it is pretty suprising when you see it laid out like that.
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sky presenter askes Andy Gray " Is it good for Houlier to be playing these young players"
he aint go no choice you twat ........
Its a win win win situation for Houllier.
If we lose then he can rightly point to our injuries and how many youngsters are playing.
If we win we get 3 points, the youngsters are lauded as is Kev Mc, Sid, and our academy programme.
And whatever the result our kids have got more matches in the Prem under their belt which will be ultimately invaluable and without the injuries wouldn't have been possible.
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If Ash has a MOM game expect Fergie to sign him in summer ....
He's got Nani (who i'm sure Fergie thinks will turn into the new Ronaldo at some point), Park, Valencia and Obertan. I don't see him looking for a new winger in the near future
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sky presenter askes Andy Gray " Is it good for Houlier to be playing these young players"
he aint go no choice you twat ........
Its a win win win situation for Houllier.
If we lose then he can rightly point to our injuries and how many youngsters are playing.
If we win we get 3 points, the youngsters are lauded as is Kev Mc, Sid, and our academy programme.
And whatever the result our kids have got more matches in the Prem under their belt which will be ultimately invaluable and without the injuries wouldn't have been possible.
It will be how we lose though. If we surrender meekly or play ultra negatively and lose/draw then he will be rightly slagged off no matter how many injuries we've got. If we go out and have a go but lose then the fans will understand and be sympathetic and think we gave it a good go.
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True. But the point being that Houllier has got an excuse already on offer. Not saying that he is looking to use it though.
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Talkshite saying Gabby to start. No surprise really.
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Hogg starts!
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Hogg starts!
What!?
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VILLA: Friedel; Young, Dunne, Collins, Warnock; Albrighton, Bannan, Hogg, Downing; Young, Agbonlahor. Subs: Guzan, Lichaj, Delfouneso, Osbourne, Herd, Lowry, Johnson.
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Hogg starts, christ on a bike.
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Is Clark injured as well now?
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Clark injured?
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VILLA: Friedel; Young, Dunne, Collins, Warnock; Albrighton, Bannan, Hogg, Downing; Young, Agbonlahor. Subs: Guzan, Lichaj, Delfouneso, Osbourne, Herd, Lowry, Johnson.
That's as inexperienced a bench as I can remember.
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Jesus Christ, Hogg and banana! This would be a major achievement to get anything out of the game. Surely these injuries can't be a coincidence!
Let's be honest, there's a chance we could get beaten out of sight with this team. If we do, I don't want to log on later to find our entire youth system being rubbished
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Bladdy hell. Not good news.
On my way now, do us proud boys!
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Oh shit.
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What the fuck? :\ Bench looks worrying.
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Bannan and Hogg will get destroyed. I can see a heavy defeat on the cards.
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Batten down the hatches, men. Sorry, boys.
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What's the Man United team? Are they missing / resting anyone?
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I was excited about the game an hour ago, now i'm just worried.
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This is a worry
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So Injured we now have:
Beye
Clark
Cuellar
Reo Coker
Petrov
Sidwell
Heskey
Carew
Delph
Gardner
Weimann
And absent without leave we have:
Ireland
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We are on the verge of not being able to pick a team
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blooy hell
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ireland not even on bench//////??????
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ireland not even on bench//////??????
He has flu apparently
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Ireland has been ill. I think I would gave put warnock in centre mid. Downing young gabby and the defence have an awful lot of responsibility.
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So Injured we now have:
Beye
Clark
Cuellar
Reo Coker
Petrov
Sidwell
Heskey
Carew
Delph
Gardner
Weimann
And absent without leave we have:
Ireland
Ireland has the flu, like me :(
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On a side note, some cnut on Talk-absolute-shite talking about the Blackpool game and the weakened side debate said 'If Blackpool put their strongest team out they could have beaten Villa'. Twat
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Aston Villa: Friedel, Luke Young, Dunne, Collins, Warnock, Albrighton, Hogg, Bannan, Downing, Ashley Young, Agbonlahor.
Subs: Guzan, Delfouneso, Osbourne, Lichaj, Herd, Lowry, Johnson.
Man Utd: Van der Sar, Brown, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Park, Fletcher, Carrick, Nani, Hernandez, Berbatov.
Subs: Amos, Smalling, Fabio Da Silva, O'Shea, Obertan, Macheda, Gibson.
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4-4-2 for them then. Didn't expect Hernandez to start. Bollocks
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Grau making a good point on sky about park's ability to drift in behind the forwards. Worried that our centre mids will lack the nous to counter this.