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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Shrek on October 22, 2010, 08:40:22 AM
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Ash has put talks on hold till the summer.
I dunno how to add the link in, but worrying times, looks like he is doing a Rooney.
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3191389/Ashley-Young-halts-Aston-Villa-contract-talks.html
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Not good.
He's saying to the club 'prove to me that Villa are going places' and to Houllier 'prove to me that I can work with you'.
In the current climate ( God I hate that phrase) it's no great surprise.
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I'd go further and say that he's saying he is off regardless. We might as well get used to it.
All that "I have no problem with the fans" is so he continues to receive the support he does now. He would know FULL well that him not signing now means that we get less money for him too. This also has the mark of Harry Redknapp all over it.
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There shouldn't be any hand-wringing over this, or any sort of surprise. He's hedging his bets to give himself enough options to jump ship.
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Nev, absolutely. Hand-wringing is a waste of time. The truth is that if Man Utd can be called un-ambitious by their players then it can happen to any club. But let's not pretend that there will be any other outcome aside from Young not signing another contract and the end game being him going to Spurs (or possibly Man City if they'll have him).
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I'll also add that just last month he was talking about signing another contract. Why has this now stopped unless of course some chap down south has made it clear he see's him in a (lilly) white shirt?
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Yep old Chrchill chops has made contact imo. One thing I've seen it quoted that Ash was a Spurs fan as a boy but I thought he was a Gooner?
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I for one won't be worrying about this. Quite simply after Barry then Milner, i'm all done with the hand wringing, will he won't he.
If he goes at some point then shame but so what, bigger players than him have gone and I still love my club.
Obviously don't want it to happen, but just getting more and more resigned to how it works these days.
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Well said badluckericgates.
Maybe it's a case of him dropping this little leak while everyone is banging on about Rooney - good time to bury bad news and all that.
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Yeah, he wants out.
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Well, I'm not all that gloomy about this, but that's as I do NOT see it as a sign of him leaving.
We have a new manager and nobody really knows how things will go under him. It also remains to be seen what Randy's further spending plans are after last summer's issues.
So maybe all we're seeing is a player waiting to see exactly what he'd be signing up for were he to put pen to paper? Sensible of him, IMO.
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Some of the comments after the story on the link are absurd.
A United fan saying that "Sir Alex should just sign him." Nice to see the Rooney-saga hasn't dented their arrogance.
And the guy saying Ashley improves game after game. He was at the height of his powers two seasons ago, IMO.
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I admire your optimism John, but what's changed on the last month though? He was going to sign a new contract after Houllier arrived. But now, closer to the transfer window, he's saying he wants to wait. Will the club risk waiting t il the summer when his transfer value has diminished due to his contract length? This is calculated and is being driven by the payer and his agent - why say anything at all otherwise?
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He's off. This is just the start of a long, drawn out process.
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Another one of our top players could be leaving i hope not but why would he wait and not sign a new contract now.
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If he has any ambition he needs to play CL I'm afraid in which case we shouldn't blame him. He's probably waiting to see if he's wasting his time here.
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They always seem to get tapped up when they have been away with England..
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How utterly depressing .Although not entirely surprised,the contract negotiations has been dragging on and on I guessed that this would be the outcome especially having spent some time with those nob heads at the England camp
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I think he want to see if Gerard will lead Villa to magic glorious era and see new players. Then sign a contract.
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Yeah, you can imagine milner and Fat arse saying " Fook Villa Ash, you can double your money at City " or Crouch saying " Harry wanted me to have a word "
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Villa player get picked for England then leaves within 18 months... how many is that now?
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I think we should Capello a brown bag of money to at least pick Sidwell.... Good old Heskey, at least he has stayed loyal ;-)
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The England thing isn't just about whispers from 'Crouchy' et al. It also gives an agent more to work with when negotiating wages - a starter for England is worth more than a fringe player. Strike while the iron is hot so to speak. Maybe this is what has happened since Young was interviewed last month when he seemed to be talking about how he was ready to sign?
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Well, I'm not all that gloomy about this, but that's as I do NOT see it as a sign of him leaving.
We have a new manager and nobody really knows how things will go under him. It also remains to be seen what Randy's further spending plans are after last summer's issues.
So maybe all we're seeing is a player waiting to see exactly what he'd be signing up for were he to put pen to paper? Sensible of him, IMO.
Although two weeks ago he was saying he wanted to stay for life.
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Let him go. Ash of two years ago would be a big loss. Ash now is not.
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I'm just not arsed either way anymore.
Maybe its the long drawn out Barry and Milner sagas that have worn us all down..
Maybe its my increasing apathy towards modern football and the modern footballer...
Maybe I've gone off AY lately anyway (good player that he is), with all his diving and arrogant posturing...
Whatever it is, I've surprised myself by how little I care about this.
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Whatever it is, I've surprised myself by how little I care about this.
Same.
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I think he's secretly had his head turned by somebody at Spurs.
These meet ups with the England squad don't help, they'll have all been advising him to leave Villa.
Villa are bigger than him or any manager, we will endure.
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No suprise really,he's seen our best two players depart in the last year or so.
You never know,he may suprise us and resign in the summer if we improve the squad,it just show's how big the gap is between us and the players on how we view the club we love,and the company who pay their wages.
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They always seem to get tapped up when they have been away with England..
Yep. Comes back from England and all of a sudden a hold up. I wonder if fat arse had a word?
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I think ManUre are a more likely bet than Citeh.
Fucking shame this.
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If he plays well and gets us into the CL then what's the problem?
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We've lost better players than him, that's true, but it would be highly concerning if he were to go, and follow Barry and Milner out the door. It would be hard to see us as anything but a club who is a stepping stone for players in those circumstances
The worrying thing is I don't actually blame him. Spurs have so utterly and comprehensively waltzed past us, whilst we've stood still for three years and had this season pretty much written off. He'll have been here 4.5 years at the end of the season, and that's a lot of his career to stake on one club.
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No suprise really,he's seen our best two players depart in the last year or so.
You never know,he may suprise us and resign in the summer if we improve the squad,it just show's how big the gap is between us and the players on how we view the club we love,and the company who pay their wages.
Every player in the country has seen the money being splashed on wages by the mooners and will all be thinking I want some of that. Two years ago just after the Everton game someone suggested selling Young for £30 mil and use the money to purchase a better squad. He was shouted down at the time. Since then Young has become less and less effective in the team. I understand he gets double teamed in open play but the amount of crap set pieces he has delivered since then has been extraoridnarily high.
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He's an overated cheat anyway. If he played for any of club i'd love to hate him. That dive for England was cringeworthy!
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I'd agree with you Paulie if Ashley was doing the business, week in, week out. The fact is, he's hardly setting the world on fire, instead living on past glories. He's right on one thing, he needs to get his head down and concentrate on his own game. At the moment, he'd be no great loss.
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I just hope his set pieces improve so we can get more money for him..
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I'd be much more gutted if he went than when Barry or Milner left. If he goes go, and I still think he may well stay, then I'm not convinced it will be to Spurs. Will he really be that desperate to go there when they don't finish in the top 4 this season?
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Oh good another saga is going to start.
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tapped up...
tbh, while a quality player, he is very frustrating at times...
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Someone has obviously got in his ear, or why the big change in his stance.
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Oh good another saga is going to start.
I was just going to post when are we going to change the thread title to " The Young Novella"
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The timing seems a bit strange. Perhaps he thinks that if Rooney leaves Man U will come in for him.
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De-ja-bloody-vous. Getting ever so slightly tired with modern day footballers, and the long drawn out process of them screwing their clubs over.
I agree with Holloway, the game is just plain wrong.
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Oh good another saga is going to start.
I was just going to post when are we going to change the thread title to " The Young Novella"
I remember the first 3 pages of this thread...
EDIT: Except we're now on page 4.
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Sell him in the summer, replace and move forward.
He wants to go and it is a small time move trying to hold on to players when they want to leave. Lets just get a good price and move on.
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Now it's happening to the 'big clubs' like Man Utd there will be more of a discussion about this whole business of contracts and their worth.
Really, what is the point of contracts anyway aside from a marker to how much a player is worth / not worth? It's this issue that makes me wonder if Young & agent is actually after a move this Christmas as the club will not want it's best player running his contract down.
Spurs after Christmas.
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Not much of a surprise really, and in the same situation (taking my Villa hat off) i'd probably do the same if i'm honest. In each of the last 2 summers he's seen our best player leave. In the past year we've signed one part-ex player. And we have a new manager which could lead to him to want to take the time to see how things go on and off the pitch.
And on the potential plus side, for the rest of the season he's either going to be playing for a new contract with us (the better he plays the more ££ he can ask/demand) or playing for a move. Either way it could be motivation to him finding the form of a couple of years ago, and a flying AY can only be beneficial, even if it is only short term.
And the main reason i'm not going to slit my wrists over it is even if he goes, Villa will go on. We've lost better players than him in the past. And I really can't be arsed over a player anymore.
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This would have bothered me far more twelve months ago, before Albrighton had showed he's good enough and Downing had started coming good.
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Problem as much as anything is the message it sends. It's hardly reassuring to those at the club and prospective purchases that we sell our best player each summer(obviously if it happens again).
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As good as Ash is, since Randy has come in we've shown we can get top money for any of our players that other clubs try to pilfer. Even with a year/18 months on his contract I'd expect £15m-£20m, which added to the Milner money would give Gexxa a great war chest to start his signings with.
Still not convinced he won't stay though.
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As Fergie said...
"Cows, don't you just love 'em"
or something like that.
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This would have bothered me far more twelve months ago, before Albrighton had showed he's good enough and Downing had started coming good.
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Then Albrighton continues to improve,plays for England gets his head turned and so it continues
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Well he'd better put a few shifts in for us between now and the end of the season.
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Two years ago, a major loss. Now, an inconvenience. Who's to say Gez wants him long-term anyway?
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I suppose Ireland is perfect for the role Gez wants Ash to play anyhow.
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I suppose Ireland is perfect for the role Gez wants Ash to play anyhow.
I'm not so sure Gezza does want him to play there exclusively.
Ash started playing there pre-season under MON and K-Mac kept him there. Houllier hasn't really chaged the majority of the first team too much yet, so has stuck with the 4-4-1-1 formation. Once Gabby is fit I wouldn't be too surprised to see us play some games in a 4-4-2, which would mean Ash wide, or as we did against Chelsea with Irealnd behind the striker.
The bit of rotation he's hinted at would mean Ash playing both centrally and wide as the season progresses.
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It will only be a saga if we make it one. Taking a devil's advocate approach, let's say he does get his head down and becomes again the player we know he can be. If he still decides to leave, good for us as his transfer value will go up. If he stays, good for us, as we will have some player. Either way, I don't get the impression with Houllier he'll be the only player that can do what he does. We all know there are technically gifted players all across Europe, Africa, S.America etc that are as good or better than Ash and I hope that the future of Villa sees more of those players arriving as opposed to us just relying on one.
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Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves eh?
Why cant it be just as he said and that he'll leave contract negotiation until next summer?
Its fine by me. Theres no rush and if at the end of it all he wants out, fine.
I really hope he stays though.
He puts in plenty of effort and is a class player, one of our best in recent times.
Some of the criticism lately from Villa fans has been a disgrace to be honest.
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he's a quality player,great feet(both of em)good pace,he's fit and can take getting 2 good kicks(fouls) a match as he strips another fullback.
Managers like all of the above
If rooney wants silly money despite being in a shit vein of form(class being permanent and all that)
then Ash wants big money as well-we traditionally don't pay massive wages and Randy wants to keep wages under control
So he will be off-(night follows day)
But we have Albrighton Ireland and Bannan and Downing
So I'm not too worried about the future
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I am not convimced he will be leaving us and his performances have not been of the level they were a couple of seasons back so I can't see the most succesful clubs in the world lining up to sign him.
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MY htoughts are fuck him
One great season 2 years back - never lived up to it since and if he keeps up all that prima donna diving // moaning shit good riddance
Typical "I have rubbed shoulders with the big England boys" fuck em all
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spurs can have him .. for Bale,VDV and Modric ;-)
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I do hope he sits down with GH and says ' ffs Gez, I need some quality strikers to play alongside me, if I keep playing with Carew and Heskey, what's the point of putting crosses in ?'
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I do hope he sits down with GH and says ' ffs Gez, I need some quality strikers to play alongside me, if I keep playing with Carew and Heskey, what's the point of putting crosses in ?'
To which Gez will say, "So you want to play with a 15 foot striker who will actually have a chance of getting to most of your crosses?"
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I do hope he sits down with GH and says ' ffs Gez, I need some quality strikers to play alongside me, if I keep playing with Carew and Heskey, what's the point of putting crosses in ?'
To which Gez will say, "So you want to play with a 15 foot striker who will actually have a chance of getting to most of your crosses?"
Touché
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To which Gez will say, "So you want to play with a 15 foot striker who will actually have a chance of getting to most of your crosses?"
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He's been here 4 years, that's a decent stint. Wouldn't be surprised if he fancied a move.
He hasn't performed consistently for a while anyway.
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They always seem to get tapped up when they have been away with England..
For me, it's more the case that they just get more arrogant and develop delusions of grandeur when they called up for the national team. So far as I'm concerned I'm sick ofthe attitude of these professional footballers. A. Young can fook off, it doesn't matter to me who plays for the Villa nowadays, the idolation of these crass, self-obsessed, greedy idiots is symptomatic of all thats wrong with the game.
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As Fergie said...
"Cows, don't you just love 'em"
or something like that.
What's the difference between a buffalo and a bison?
Dunno, go and wash you hands in some milk.
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Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves eh?
Why cant it be just as he said and that he'll leave contract negotiation until next summer?
Its fine by me. Theres no rush and if at the end of it all he wants out, fine.
I really hope he stays though.
He puts in plenty of effort and is a class player, one of our best in recent times.
Some of the criticism lately from Villa fans has been a disgrace to be honest.
Very true.
I do think his head's been turned, but I don't blame him. If anything, it sums up modern football (again), which is becoming quite tiresome.
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I'd do the same if I was in his position. See how we get on this season and have a look at where we have finished. He'll be in a much stronger position if he has a good season, get a better deal with us or we will cash in on him and move on.
Not the end of the world either way, and if our next young winger is as good as albrighton I would be quite happy.
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Not fussed at all to be honest. All the fuss that was made when we lost Barry & Milner. Mon walked out, and we're sitting a couple of points off champs league place in a 'transitional' period. Young spends 70% of matches on his backside and constantly tries to turn players inside out, then inevitably fails. The majority of his crosses end up out of play. As has been said, 2 years ago he was on top form, now...I really can't say that he adds that much, other than pace.
Let him go with a shrug of the shoulders.
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Step up Mr Bannan, your time has come.
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his form may have tailed off compared to 2 seasons ago, but he is still our greatest creative force. What we need to do is strengthen centre midfield, upfront and cover at fullback, not create new problems by wishing away our best players.
+ if a reason for letting him go is that we're two points off a champions league place (actually 3) so we'll be fine without him, it's as easy to say that we're only 5 points off relegation so could freefall without him...
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Houllier Backs Young's Decision to Concentrate on Football (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2193346,00.html?)
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Let him go. Ash of two years ago would be a big loss. Ash now is not.
Agree. Ireland, Albrighton, Downing and Bannan can fill any void and that is before we account for any new signings. He has gone from a great player to one that just pisses me off.
I'm surprised by how little I care.
One thing it means is that if Spurs have turned his head it can clearly mean they are making an early move because they know Bale is off to United, City, Real or Inter and I'd be much less concerned with a Spurs team with Young than one with Bale even if I don't buy all this Bale is world class guff.
I do hope he sits down with GH and says ' ffs Gez, I need some quality strikers to play alongside me, if I keep playing with Carew and Heskey, what's the point of putting crosses in ?'
Really? Is this the Emile Heskey who has been in great form in recent appearances and has been putting his head to some superb balls? Not that these balls have been coming from Ashley.
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The only thing that really worries me is how little we'll probably get for him next summer. Realistically, with a year left on his contract, we'd be lucky to get our money back on him.
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I am a little surprised by some of the reactions on here to what in truth is nothing close to statement of definitive intent. He hasn't said "I'm not signing a contract and I'm off" like Mr.180, Wayne Rooney. He's one of our best players and some people have really turned on him here. Another player who's never had a bad word to say about the club. A bit like Carew. Disappointing to say the least.
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Agreed TV.
Even when he's not on his best form and the team as a whole are struggling, he's always the most likely to do something, or he's willing to try something. That obviously means he's going to waste a few passes or lose possession a bit more, because he's taking a risk. At least he's not a sideways merchant. I think he's by some distance our best player.
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Ashley Young is a really good player and we should still do absolutely everything we can to keep him. Plus, I'm not sure Spurs could afford him (nor want him, really, with Bale around), Man City wouldn't want him, and United couldn't afford him either. I can't think where he'd go, really.
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We got £12 mill for Barry with a yr left on his contract so we should get £15-16 mill for Ash next summer given his age. I imagine GH would find a better replacement for that kind of money than M'OM
N would have done.
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I am a little surprised by some of the reactions on here to what in truth is nothing close to statement of definitive intent. He hasn't said "I'm not signing a contract and I'm off" like Mr.180, Wayne Rooney. He's one of our best players and some people have really turned on him here. Another player who's never had a bad word to say about the club. A bit like Carew. Disappointing to say the least.
Thing is TV, when a good contract is laid out in front of a player, regardless of what point in the season, they normally snap it up. Remember the contract for Laursen?
This smacks of 'I'll wait and see where we end up at the end of the season and who will be sniffing around for me.'
Still sounds like Spurs have had a quiet word with him on his wank-tastic mobile.
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I am a little surprised by some of the reactions on here to what in truth is nothing close to statement of definitive intent. He hasn't said "I'm not signing a contract and I'm off" like Mr.180, Wayne Rooney. He's one of our best players and some people have really turned on him here. Another player who's never had a bad word to say about the club. A bit like Carew. Disappointing to say the least.
Thing is TV, when a good contract is laid out in front of a player, regardless of what point in the season, they normally snap it up. Remember the contract for Laursen?
This smacks of 'I'll wait and see where we end up at the end of the season and who will be sniffing around for me.'
Still sounds like Spurs have had a quiet word with him on his wank-tastic mobile.
I'm still not sure he'd want to go there. Will the appeal of swapping Villa Park for White Hart Lane be that exciting at the end of the season when they finish 5th and we finish 7th? It's not like they'd pay him anymore than we will.
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I don't get all this Spurs talk. Most of the players that play in a similar role to Ashley Young at Spurs are at least as good as him. If not better.
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They always seem to get tapped up when they have been away with England..
For me, it's more the case that they just get more arrogant and develop delusions of grandeur when they called up for the national team. So far as I'm concerned I'm sick ofthe attitude of these professional footballers. A. Young can fook off, it doesn't matter to me who plays for the Villa nowadays, the idolation of these crass, self-obsessed, greedy idiots is symptomatic of all thats wrong with the game.
A few years back under O'Dreary and GT second time around we could only dream of having 3-5 players regularly involved in England squads - which seems to be the typical amount since about 2008 onwards.
Previously, having that many internationals could only be a good thing and would be indicative of a club moving in the right direction. Hats off to MON for having the foresight to select transfer targets that made the transition (it's not as if we signed a rake of ready made internationals as per Citeh) and hats off to RL for funding him.
But now I think having players even loosely associated with the national side is more trouble than it's worth. They must just sit around and discuss salaries whilst with Club England - as they sure as hell don't seem willing or capable of playing in a way that makes them contenders for major international trophies.
In future I'd rather give them the swerve, too much hassle in the long run.
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Good decision by the player. This is no time to be worried about a contract. End of the season is the time and yes Rene and Club do need to make an impact on our better players.
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The next Barry/Milner thread starts today?
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They always seem to get tapped up when they have been away with England..
Absolute bang on--Barry,Milner now Ash, give it 2 seasons will it be Albrighton?---good job Bannan is Scottish and Clark has chosen the Repuplic Of Ireland-------presumably tapping up occours over the wine women cigars,& beer???
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I cannot see the Spurs thing. Unless they're planning ahead - i.e. to replace Bale - then I cannot understand their logic. They've got Krancjar, Modric and that mexican fella who can also play there. Plus the form of Bale has essentially meant that Lennon has been dropped so Ashley would be crazy to go there to sit on the bench.
Hopefully his comments are genuine, if not, we have Albrighton, Downing, Ireland and Bannan who can fill his shoes.
We could even improve if Houllier is given all the Milner (and possible) Young cash in order to build his own side in the shape that he wants.
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I am a little surprised by some of the reactions on here to what in truth is nothing close to statement of definitive intent. He hasn't said "I'm not signing a contract and I'm off" like Mr.180, Wayne Rooney. He's one of our best players and some people have really turned on him here. Another player who's never had a bad word to say about the club. A bit like Carew. Disappointing to say the least.
Thing is TV, when a good contract is laid out in front of a player, regardless of what point in the season, they normally snap it up. Remember the contract for Laursen?
This smacks of 'I'll wait and see where we end up at the end of the season and who will be sniffing around for me.'
Still sounds like Spurs have had a quiet word with him on his wank-tastic mobile.
Thing is there is no point looking at this from an emotional standpoint. Footballers aren't fans, and for them this is business. I think he's doing the right thing from a career standpoint. I'm sure he wants to win things, and if in January and next summer we make a number of improvements on the field in conjunction with the change and influence brought on by the new management team, then he might think it's worthwhile to re-sign. Our job as a club, and as fans is to add an emotional element to the decision process and make sure he knows that we want him to stay. That's why I am surprised that some have turned on him so quickly.
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It's perfectly understandable him not wanting to have to think about a new contract, in case it distracts him during the whole hour-and-a-half that he puts in for us every week. There are only so many hours in the day after all.
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"Distractions".. Really, let's not be taken in by this utter bollocks. Would you be distracted by talking about your salary with your boss? If anything it would focus me on what I was doing I think. We are continually tangled up in this gigantic spiders web of spin and media speak and swallow it whole. Either the lad wants to play for Villa long term or he does not.
He does not.
I hope the club deals with it sharpish and find somebody who does.
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We got £12 mill for Barry with a yr left on his contract so we should get £15-16 mill for Ash next summer given his age.
Well let's hope Man City want him as they're the only club that will pay that kind of money.
Be prepared to get screwed over next summer.
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Ashley is trodding the same path as so many before him. He breaks into the England squad and is suddenly "Johnny big balls and too good for The Villa". It pisses me off but untill we are either challenging for trophies of paying ridiculous wages thats the way its gonna be.
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Need to be proactive with this, i would be saying to AY you sign now or we will sell you to the highest bidder in January. Another player that thinks he's better than he is, lets face it he isn't the player of two years ago and the money we get for him plus the Milner money would give GH a top war chest for next summer.
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We need to sell Ash in January, If not we will get next to nothing for him in the summer.
It's a shame because Rooney has caused a right shit storm by his silly stunt, Ash was happy before Rooney put this stupid idea of not signing a contract in his head.
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Really think we should sell Ash in January if he wont sign a new contract soon. If he is not commited after saying he is willing to put pen to paper. He is an important player to us but he thinks he is so much better than he really is. Get as much money for him now as his value will diminish rapidly. We will then have a serious amount of money for next summer. In January Houllier will bring in some already monitored french talent. And with Delph and Gardner on the way back. We will have plenty of attacking options .........
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The one mildly reassuring thing about this is I'd be pretty certain GH won't only start scouting for a replacement when Ash has actually departed.
That's not to say that Ash has definitely gone -a combination of good business from us in the transfer market in Jan, a decent end to the season and Tottingham (the most likely bidders) finishing in their usual 7th-10th position again*- might be enough to see him remain.
*Admittedly more out of hope than expectation. But I can't see them finishing 4th again either way and the CL could (fingers crossed) screw up their season.
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What I don't understand is why all our best players are getting nabbed all the time? If spurs' overrated players are regarded so highly you'd see big clubs going after their players... same with Everton etc... Losing Barry and Milner in the space of year was gutting already, we don't need a stake driven through the heart with Ash being sold.
I wish other teams would just f-off and go and nab one of spurs or Everton's players. It really is surprising to see players like Modric, Arteta and even Lennon not getting any intrest by the bigger clubs.
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as its the sun, its made up.
i advise ashley to contact his lawyers as the sun have quoted him when hes not spoken to them.
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as its the sun, its made up.
i advise ashley to contact his lawyers as the sun have quoted him when hes not spoken to them.
it's not made up that he isn't signing a contract at this time and will wait until the summer. GH spoke quite liberally about it during his press conference and was in full support of his decision. There's nothing made up about the story itself.
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From The Daily Mail
Aston Villa boss Gerard Houllier fears 'tapping up' as Ashley Young deal stalls
Gerard Houllier refused to rule out the possibility that Ashley Young had been tapped up after the England player's U-turn over fresh contract talks.
The Aston Villa boss was at a loss to explain the winger's change of heart after Young said last month he was about to put pen to paper on a long-term deal.
The 25-year-old stunned Villa's management when he revealed: 'I've told the people at Villa that I won't be signing a new contract. I know they want to get it done now but there's plenty of time to talk again next summer.'
It is a major shift from four weeks ago when he was reportedly on the verge of agreeing a pay hike, with Houllier claiming the paperwork would be completed 'sooner rather than later'.
The Frenchman said it was possible an illegal approach had been made. 'You never know in football,' he said.
'I've read that Tottenham are after him and they are closing in. But it's not a matter of selling him. We don't want to sell him. We want to keep him. Maybe we will keep him until the end of his contract.
'Does anyone think a lot would have changed if he had signed? The club is protected until 2012. He is not out of contract at the end of this season.
'The main thing is that we show we wanted to keep him. We like the boy. He, I think, likes the place where he is. He probably knows he would improve. It's a matter of time if he signs now or at the end of the season.
'To my mind, nothing has changed. I think it's true when he said he wanted to concentrate on his football. I've talked to him and told him that the main thing for him is to step up a level.
'To do that, you can't lose two or three months talking about what might happen. He said he's happy with the fans, he likes the club, he enjoys the football we are playing.
'To me he's a good player. He could be a very good player. To do that, he needs to do things on a consistent basis. 'If you play one good game, no progress.
You need to be able to repeat spells of seven to nine games out of 10 at a very high level. 'That's what Ashley needs to do.'
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Basically is saying your not that good, but you could be, an the best thing to do is stay put and achieve that consistent level of performance.
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I'd agree with you Paulie if Ashley was doing the business, week in, week out. The fact is, he's hardly setting the world on fire, instead living on past glories. He's right on one thing, he needs to get his head down and concentrate on his own game. At the moment, he'd be no great loss.
He's our best player by a mile.
If the club don't show the correct ambition soon it will be Gabby next, then Albrighton, then Bannan...
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He thinks hes our best player by a mile Chris, thats the problem. We have a manager that is telling him to show us now and not the last idiot who kept telling him he was world class.
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He thinks hes our best player by a mile Chris, thats the problem. We have a manager that is telling him to show us now and not the last idiot who kept telling him he was world class.
I don't care about any of that, what I care about is us holding on to our better players. If every year we sell another one we're never going to progress. It's difficult for the club but we have to demonstrate to players that they can achieve their ambitions here.
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We will never hold onto the best players unless we make it to the champions league, and we still wont hold onto them if Moneybags Citeh come knocking.
And we wont ever make it to the champions league to try and hold onto them while they keep leaving.
Modern football is so predictable.
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I think anyone trying to say Ash has had his head turned by what Rooney has done is just "in denial". If Ash is looking at anyone then it is more likely to be Milner. This season is playing alongside world class players and in all likelihood will be playing champions league football next season, he may even have a championship medal to boot as well, all that AND being paid more for the privelege. The truth is out there and as the previous poster has said, it's so predictable.
Unfortunately, our star players leave in their prime like Platt, Yorke, Barry and Milner and all go on to have more success outside of villa park than they ever did within.
Modern football is indeed predictable. Football players don't owe their clubs or fans anything and football clubs don't owe their players anything. It's just business...
Ash will be part of a deal that finally brings Keane to villa park...Keane and a bit of dosh if we are lucky!
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He thinks hes our best player by a mile Chris, thats the problem. We have a manager that is telling him to show us now and not the last idiot who kept telling him he was world class.
I don't care about any of that, what I care about is us holding on to our better players. If every year we sell another one we're never going to progress. It's difficult for the club but we have to demonstrate to players that they can achieve their ambitions here.
Chris is right, I would hope we'll dig our heels in on this one.
I've no desire to be a feeder club for Spurs.
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spurs themselves were once a feeder club for those above them. How did they turn the tables?
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A Young will be gone by the start of next season, end of. He's obviously been chatting to Milner and Barry lately. I predict he'll be at Citeh for the start of next season. He's obviously realised our likely 7th 8th place will not fulfil his ambitions. What price Albrighton at Citeh the year after?
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A Young will be gone by the start of next season, end of. He's obviously been chatting to Milner and Barry lately. I predict he'll be at Citeh for the start of next season. He's obviously realised our likely 7th 8th place will not fulfil his ambitions. What price Albrighton at Citeh the year after?
Albrighton is a good prospect but talking about him signing for Man City are very premature, we used to hear similar stories about Steven Davis.
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He thinks hes our best player by a mile Chris, thats the problem. We have a manager that is telling him to show us now and not the last idiot who kept telling him he was world class.
I don't care about any of that, what I care about is us holding on to our better players. If every year we sell another one we're never going to progress. It's difficult for the club but we have to demonstrate to players that they can achieve their ambitions here.
Chris is right, I would hope we'll dig our heels in on this one.
I've no desire to be a feeder club for Spurs.
The cycle of selling and being a couple of players away (at best) is all I actually remember since the 1990's. Building sides that were almost there and then having to take a few steps back. As Chris said, it's up to the club to show they are 'ambitious' enough to pay our better players what they are being offered elsewhere (aside form City of course). As the Rooney situation shows, 'ambition' is another word for money. It's easier said than done but they have to start somewhere if we are serious about challenging the sides around / above us.
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Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves eh?
Why cant it be just as he said and that he'll leave contract negotiation until next summer?
Its fine by me. Theres no rush and if at the end of it all he wants out, fine.
I really hope he stays though.
He puts in plenty of effort and is a class player, one of our best in recent times.
Some of the criticism lately from Villa fans has been a disgrace to be honest.
Is exactly my opinion on the matter, lets wait and see eh?
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He's given the club a fair chance and it hasn't provided him with any trophies or champs league footy. Players can't wait forever.
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he didnt seem too interested out wide today but he transformed the team when put into the hole. He is a class player one of the best in the league, if he left which looks likely I must say it will be a bigger blow than Barry or Milner.
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I'm not sure that there will be many teams who are willing to pay him more than us.
If he's on £7k per week, can't see Spuds, or Arse paying him more than that becauseof the potential dressing room disruption.
Can't see Ure or Chelsk going for him/
Citeeeh.......be surprised, Lplop, well if he an'ts to go there let him.
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IMHO although Young is obviously talented, he is on the border of being over-rated. He is not that dominant. I think that he lacks a bit of "the finishing touch".
I'd like to see him with a climatized Ireland. Ireland, Young and Gabby could be interesting.
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I'd sell him in January and get an extra 5m.
I don't rate him in the free role tbh and we won't finish in the top 4 with or without him so I don't see the point in keeping him for another few months and seeing his value go down a bit.#
If he was happy here, he'd sign the deal now so he's off. And he's deluded if he thinks he'd get into the Spurs team ahead of Bale or VDV.
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I'd agree with you Paulie if Ashley was doing the business, week in, week out. The fact is, he's hardly setting the world on fire, instead living on past glories. He's right on one thing, he needs to get his head down and concentrate on his own game. At the moment, he'd be no great loss.
He's our best player by a mile.
If the club don't show the correct ambition soon it will be Gabby next, then Albrighton, then Bannan...
He may well be our most talented player but what is he doing with that talent? He now can't cross, certainly can't take a decent corner although he did thread a great ball through for Downing today.
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His crossing has become quite abysmal. He's got so much to offer when he's on. But when he's off his game, a lot of things go wrong. He should get with Stewart Downing this week and get some lessons on wing play. I thought Downing on both flanks was excellent today.
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as its the sun, its made up.
i advise ashley to contact his lawyers as the sun have quoted him when hes not spoken to them.
it's not made up that he isn't signing a contract at this time and will wait until the summer. GH spoke quite liberally about it during his press conference and was in full support of his decision. There's nothing made up about the story itself.
I wasn't seriously saying it was made up, i was just making a needless, baseless insult at a Newspaper i REALLY REALLY hate.
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The BBC Gossip column say that the likely buyers are Man U, Liverpool and Tottenham.
The only one there that I could believe - and would be sufficient to turn Young's head - are Man U. Possibly a long term replacement for Giggs?
As stated before, if he wants out then lets get as much money as possible and quickly move on.
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I'd like Villa to sign somebody as exciting as Ashley Young. Can you see it? 18 months ago I could. I can't now.
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Can't help thinking this is the begining of the end for Ashley at Villa.
We have see it so many times before that its like groundhog day.
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The problem we have is that he can play crap, make poor decisions, over hit crosses and waste dead ball situations and know that he will play every week because we dont have any alternatives, he has talent, he is not a great player but sadly the best we have
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I'd like Villa to sign somebody as exciting as Ashley Young. Can you see it? 18 months ago I could. I can't now.
Why not? We're in a better position now than we were when we signed him in the first place.
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If Young leaves it will be another step down into midtable mediocrity, he's a fantastic player who needs to be pampered otherwise it's going to get pretty boring down Villa Park.
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I'd like Villa to sign somebody as exciting as Ashley Young. Can you see it? 18 months ago I could. I can't now.
Why not? We're in a better position now than we were when we signed him in the first place.
That's not the wider perception though. Like it or not, the Villa are not currently seen as they were 2/ 3 years ago.
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I think Ash will be Bale's replacement.
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I think the biggest difference in his play is he no longer runs at defenders with pace, he is always stopping and turning. Don't mind if we sell him as long as we get a decent replacement not another prem player that has been tried and failed.
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A Young is very overrated. He can hardly beat a player from a standing start. Is very limited in has skills( same old same old) his crossing is diabolical, and yet he is percieved as something of a star by the media and by himself. If we get 20 mill for him we should be laughing. Considering that Albrighton & Bannan for all their youth can and will cause more problems for the opposition than Young ( without the superstar limping and diving antics) I would take the 20 mill. It's time to cash in on Young otherwise it's really going to go downhill later on when things are not going his way.
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---Young---Cuellar---Collins---Warnock---
---Albrighton---NRC---Delph---Downing---
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Personally I don't think that looks too bad.
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not bad, but we haven't seen Delph post injury, NRC can leave if he wants, Ireland is not playing well and Cuellar might soon fancy a move if he isn't getting played- other than that, pretty good
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It really is a problem for team like us where the better players are continually having their heads turned. If they are in the England squad they mix with players that are year in year out playing in Europe and getting top money. How much better would the Villa side look with Milner in it and Barry come to that, these players have not been replaced so surely we can expect the performance to drop. If Ash goes i expect all the money from Milner and him to be made availeable for team strengthening.
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As posted in numerous posts above, I think its a clear indication he wants to leave. One game in an England shirt and his arrogance finally outgrows the club. How much distraction is it really going to be to sign an improved contract that secures his future at a club he recently declared himself to be happy at? His agent will do most of the negotiating anyway, all he has to do is turn up and sign. So his excuse is clearly bollocks.
Feck him, sell him in January, give Houllier the Milner cash, the Young cash and a little bit more from the sales of other squad players no longer required, and build his own team over the next year. Its not like Young is the player he was 2 or 3 seasons ago anyway, and his antics on the pitch (feiging injury, diving, mouthing off, blaming other players if they can't get on the end of his 20-foot high crosses) are frankly embarassing.
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I'm fed up of the creeping inevitability that our best players will always want to leave us. As others have said what makes us any different from say an Everton yet they, for the most part, manage to keep their best players and compete at the top level.
The worst thing is, it's now almost a self fulfilling prophesy. Players will come to villa as a step to bigger things. They will play well, get into the England squad and then want to leave. It's a pattern we have seen time and time again over the past 20 odd years. How are we expected to progress or deliver for our huge fan base if we keep on doing this..... I think we should do whatever we can, break the wage structure, anything just to keep Ash. We have got to break this stranglehold the champions league mentality has over us. Otherwise we have a grim future ahead of us.
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I'm fed up of the creeping inevitability that our best players will always want to leave us. As others have said what makes us any different from say an Everton yet they, for the most part, manage to keep their best players and compete at the top level.
I take it as a form of flattery - Villa have become a very good breeding ground for young players, which results in the sale of those that make it in our first team. Add to that the fact that many are English and therefore seen as a good purchase for clubs looking to balance their ethnicity-ratio. I believe it will remain so until we start winning stuff and getting into European competitions on a regular basis.
Everton have retained their players thus far, but Gosling left, Rodwell will get poached and Pienaar will eventually go if he continues to play as he has been doing.
I'm afraid it's just the way it is (with thanks to Bruce Hornsby) for the time being.
What we need to do is get the best possible fee and re-invest wisely.
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---Young---Cuellar---Collins---Warnock---
---Albrighton---NRC---Delph---Downing---
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Personally I don't think that looks too bad.
I think it looks pretty good (assuming FD comes back stronger) - the challenge is what strength we have on the bench to back it up.
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---Young---Cuellar---Collins---Warnock---
---Albrighton---NRC---Delph---Downing---
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Personally I don't think that looks too bad.
I think it looks pretty good (assuming FD comes back stronger) - the challenge is what strength we have on the bench to back it up.
Well there is (hypothetically) £30m burning a hole in our pocket from the sales of Young and Milner to supplement the squad/bench.
I too see it as a sign of progress that our best players are being tapped up by the "top 4". It's evolution.
Milner signed for £12m sold for close to £30m. Young = £10m sold for close to £20m?
Randy just has to ensure that we re-invest the money. Houllier has to ensure that it is spent wisely.
The higher we get the better players we can buy. Right now, we're probably the best team any youngster could sign for in the UK outside the Top 4.
Yes it sucks that Young may want to leave but it is also an opportunity to grow again.
We cannot rely on Randy constantly putting his hand in his own pocket. We - as a club - have to become sustainable. Selling and re-investing is the simplest way in the immediate future that I can see that happening.
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I take it as a form of flattery - Villa have become a very good breeding ground for young players, which results in the sale of those that make it in our first team. Add to that the fact that many are English and therefore seen as a good purchase for clubs looking to balance their ethnicity-ratio. I believe it will remain so until we start winning stuff and getting into European competitions on a regular basis.
Brilliant. So we're basically an expensive Watford then? We won't be seeing any trophies if our best players keep leaving either. Ho-hum.
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Pompey and Spurs both managed it in 07/08.
It's been the case really for as long as I've supported the club. Yorkie leaving in 1998 was the first and only time I got cut up over a player leaving this club.
They'll all go eventually, the club will remain.
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It's been the case really for as long as I've supported the club. Yorkie leaving in 1998 was the first and only time I got cut up over a player leaving this club.
They'll all go eventually, the club will remain.
Same here. I was very disappointed when Dwight left, but at the same time I understood why, and I'll sympathize with Ash if he leaves in the summer; the plan he was sold by MON has been ripped up and our best players have either left or started to decline. If he signed for another 4-5 years, truthfully you'd have to question his ambition.
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---Young---Cuellar---Collins---Warnock---
---Albrighton---NRC---Delph---Downing---
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Personally I don't think that looks too bad.
I think it looks pretty good (assuming FD comes back stronger) - the challenge is what strength we have on the bench to back it up.
Well there is (hypothetically) £30m burning a hole in our pocket from the sales of Young and Milner to supplement the squad/bench.
I too see it as a sign of progress that our best players are being tapped up by the "top 4". It's evolution.
Milner signed for £12m sold for close to £30m. Young = £10m sold for close to £20m?
Randy just has to ensure that we re-invest the money. Houllier has to ensure that it is spent wisely.
The higher we get the better players we can buy. Right now, we're probably the best team any youngster could sign for in the UK outside the Top 4.
Yes it sucks that Young may want to leave but it is also an opportunity to grow again.
We cannot rely on Randy constantly putting his hand in his own pocket. We - as a club - have to become sustainable. Selling and re-investing is the simplest way in the immediate future that I can see that happening.
A decent way of looking at it.
Tottenham lost two of their best players to Man U twice in the space of two years.
They were able to re-invest and kick on again.
It doesn't automatically have to scupper our chances (painful as it is in the short-term) but that depends wholly on who we get to replace any outgoing players.
The job was that bit harder when we would pretty much just restrict ourselves to the domestic market in the past. Casting the net a bit wider will hopefully make it easier.
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It was only 2 months ago, if even that he was going on and saying to Sky Sports News that he was desperate to sign a new contract and to get it sorted out asap, now he wants it left until January. Certainly doesn't smell right.