Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: hilts_coolerking on October 11, 2010, 02:22:52 PM
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/oct/11/ashley-young-england-aston-villa
Decent read but the title of the piece is slightly cheeky.
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Wow, was that really an interview - Young can't have said more than about twenty words.
I thought he was meant to be one of our more exuberant "full of beans" characters in Villa's squad?
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Its like she's written a piece around things he's said.
Bloody women ;)
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Bloody hell, even the Guardian are trying to trick people into visiting their website.
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"If you're young enough, you're old enough."
Wise words, there. Wise words.
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The same piece has done the rounds in pretty much every paper today. It's obviously not a 'bare my soul' one-to-one thing, probably he was sat in the hotel lobby with a bunch of reporters all pointing dictaphones at his face.
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The same piece has done the rounds in pretty much every paper today. It's obviously not a 'bare my soul' one-to-one thing, probably he was sat in the hotel lobby with a bunch of reporters all pointing dictaphones at his face.
Unlike Ash who likes to be in hotel bedrooms and point his cock in peoples faces
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Am I the only one who dosen't think Young is amazingly incredible in the free role?
Much rather see Ireland there tbh.
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Am I the only one who dosen't think Young is amazingly incredible in the free role?
Much rather see Ireland there tbh.
I can't see what your basing that on. Ireland has done very little for us so far following on from the very little he did for Man City last season. He's clearly a talented player but it would be madness to sacrifice Young, who has started the season very well, to try to accomodate him.
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Am I the only one who dosen't think Young is amazingly incredible in the free role?
No, I agree with you.
he does do well for us there, but no better than when he's wide. So we could get Ireland into the team in that position without losing anything from Ash, so I think we should do it.
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Am I the only one who dosen't think Young is amazingly incredible in the free role?
No, I agree with you.
he does do well for us there, but no better than when he's wide. So we could get Ireland into the team in that position without losing anything from Ash, so I think we should do it.
I think the Blackburn game demonstrated the opposite of what you suggest.
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Am I the only one who dosen't think Young is amazingly incredible in the free role?
Much rather see Ireland there tbh.
I can't see what your basing that on. Ireland has done very little for us so far following on from the very little he did for Man City last season. He's clearly a talented player but it would be madness to sacrifice Young, who has started the season very well, to try to accomodate him.
Well we haven't seen Ireland in that position once since being at Villa.
Young's best position is on the wing. Ireland is much better in an attacking midfield role. In my opinion of course.
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Yeah man...
.........................Delph NRC
Albrighton/Young....Ireland...Downing/Young...
...........................A good striker
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I think the Blackburn game demonstrated the opposite of what you suggest.
Yes, it may have suggested it, but we're talking about 1 game against a weakened Blackburn side and we need to look at the bigger picture. I'm not saying he should never play there again, just that we shoudn't be married to him behind the striker to the detriment of all other options and formations.
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Yeah man...
.........................Delph NRC
Albrighton/Young....Ireland...Downing/Young...
...........................A good striker
The best thing about that is the options it gives. It would be either Albrighton or Downing on the bench, so they could be brought on for any of the attacking three behind the striker. And we'd also presumably have Heskey and Gabby on the bench, so again great and varied options, including switching to 4-4-2.
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...........................A good striker
It's spelt 'Agbonlahor'.
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...........................A good striker
It's spelt 'Agbonlahor'.
Unless we sign someone better.
Let's hope he gets back fully fit and on form soon.
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I think the Blackburn game demonstrated the opposite of what you suggest.
Yes, it may have suggested it, but we're talking about 1 game against a weakened Blackburn side and we need to look at the bigger picture. I'm not saying he should never play there again, just that we shoudn't be married to him behind the striker to the detriment of all other options and formations.
At the moment he's our best option in that position and he's more involved than out wide. He's our best player and I really don't see the point of moving him just to find a way of accomodating Ireland.
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Can't we try Ireland and NRC in the middle? We've been accomodating Petrov for a little too long....
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Can't we try Ireland and NRC in the middle? We've been accomodating Petrov for a little too long....
So you'd play either Ireland in deep midfield or one defensive midfield scrapper and essentially five forward players? Those are the options currently facing us if we drop Petrov (Sidwell is not an option) - the latter scenario essentially what happened to Argentina at the World Cup when they dropped Veron: one defensive midfielder totally exposed without the ball. In fact, both scenarios happened simulataneously as Messi came deep to collect the ball, way out of his most effective area, like Ireland would be.
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Is Ashley playing from the start tonight?
I never normally give a stuff about the national side, but i'll make an exception if he's in there.
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At the moment he's our best option in that position and he's more involved than out wide. He's our best player and I really don't see the point of moving him just to find a way of accomodating Ireland.
I don't agree he's more involved than out wide.
And it isn't a matter of accomodating anyone. What is is is trying to improve the side, which lost it's last game and is facing the best side in the country next, and asking is there a better side to be picked.
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At the moment he's our best option in that position and he's more involved than out wide. He's our best player and I really don't see the point of moving him just to find a way of accomodating Ireland.
I don't agree he's more involved than out wide.
And it isn't a matter of accomodating anyone. What is is is trying to improve the side, which lost it's last game and is facing the best side in the country next, and asking is there a better side to be picked.
It seems to me that, if we're going to play that way, we have a straight choice between Ireland and Young for that support striker role. Ashley is the better player both in terms of ability and current form and I can't see any justification other than trying to find a role for Ireland to make the change.
Leave it until the Burnely game to start experimenting.
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Smudger is right.
Ashley is at his best behind the striker, it's where he is happiest and it would be wise to keep him happy at this moment in time.
Ireland may well have to put up with being his under study.
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...for me Young is equally good as an AML and as AMC, however the benefit of getting Ireland engaged and playing something like how he did for Man City (a few years ago) is justification enough for moving Young to the left of an attacking three.
Ireland looked amazing playing alongside Robinho and I'd like to see him and Young trying to recreate that.
Maybe not for the Chelsea match but long term I see that as our best team.
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It seems to me that, if we're going to play that way, we have a straight choice between Ireland and Young for that support striker role. Ashley is the better player both in terms of ability and current form and I can't see any justification other than trying to find a role for Ireland to make the change.
Leave it until the Burnely game to start experimenting.
I have nothing against trying it against Burnley.
But the issue is that although both players can play THAT role, one can also play wide so both could be in the side in a 4-4-1-1 together. Ultimately I'd like a new and dominating DCM, which would allow both with Ireland coming from deep and Ash dropping off the striker.
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According to Adrian Durham, tonight's the night when Ashley Young needs to 'prove he's 'better than Villa's level'.
I turned off before angry-of-Birmingham called up to reinforce the thick Brummie stereotype.
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Smudger is right.
Ashley is at his best behind the striker, it's where he is happiest and it would be wise to keep him happy at this moment in time.
Ireland may well have to put up with being his under study.
Yes. Teams have found that if you put a decent specialist full back against Ash who shows him the outside and stops him from cutting in, or stick two players on him to ensure the same thing, then his effectiveness is drastically reduced.
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Well I've watched us live twice this season at Stoke and at home to Bolton.
Young had a good first half at Stoke but then disappeared totally in the second half and after scoring against Bolton again to me he didn't get into the game at all in the free role.
The key for me is Ireland. I think we're all forgetting how good he was for Man. City two seasons ago, as good as Milner was for us last season. He also scored 9 goals for Man. City in the league from open play so again more than Milner with half his being penalties.
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"If you're young enough, you're old enough."
Wise words, there. Wise words.
Harry Pearson agrees with you.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/oct/15/ashley-young-england-tricks
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Am I the only one who dosen't think Young is amazingly incredible in the free role?
No, I agree with you.
he does do well for us there, but no better than when he's wide. So we could get Ireland into the team in that position without losing anything from Ash, so I think we should do it.
I get the feeling reading your posts about Young, that you are not that big a fan of him? I have read the bit about diving, and understand the questions. But I think it's a bit unfair, as I don't see him as a big diver (and he is improving on that area)