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Heroes & Villains => Villa Memories => Topic started by: Deano's Mullet on September 14, 2010, 06:48:14 PM
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Who have been our traditional bogey teams over the years then?
Man Utd, Birmingham, Newcastle and Leicester have at some point done really well against us in my supporting life-time i i reckon (since 1988). I think before 1992 we must have had major issues with QPR as our head-to-head record with them before our first Premiership meeting (i watched this match the other night) was heavily stacked in their favour.
Stoke have only beaten us once more than we have them since they've been promoted although the 2-2 draw still sticks in the mind for all the wrong reasons.
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We never used to be able to beat Wimbledon, until we thrashed them 7-1.
And teams we always seem to do well against are:
Albion, Spurs, Everton and we haven't faired badly against Chelsea.
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Southampton always did well against us when Le Tissier was at his peak. No coincidence that we started to beat them when his form drifted away.
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Can I say all of them?
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Middlesbrough
Wimbledon
Leicester
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Leicester are the main ones. We've never beaten Wigan at home in the league.
We have a crap record against Man City, but that can no longer be counted as a bogey side thing, as they're expected to beat us now.
We can probably count Rapid Vienna now too and Celta Vigo.
At home, we are Chelsea's bogey side though.
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Even though we've got shite records against United, Liverpool and Arsenal, I wouldn't class those as bogey teams since they're generally a class apart from us and have been for a while (Liverpool is now debateable, but never used to be).
The one that springs to mind first for me right now is Man City, particularly at the COM. I can only remember beating them there once and that was when Shaun Maloney scored.
Teams I remember us not having a particularly good record against: Leicester (obviously), Boro, Palace, Coventry, Oldham and Southampton. Leeds were always a tricky opponent too.
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After Hitler invaded Poland we didn't beat Spurszz again until August 1962. Twenty-four games played (including two in the FA Cup), nineteen defeats, five draws. And we sold our best player to them.
The Manure of their time.
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Agree with everyone whose said Wimbledon. At one stage in the early 90s we seemed to draw them every year in the Cup - at home as well.
Now we've won at Old Trafford, it would be good to finally beat Man Utd at home.
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Around the early 80s it was Notts County. Although we did once thump them 6-0 away in the Cup in night game after the game had been postponed - and the pools panel predicted a home win. Nice. Geddis hat-trick I think, or was it Donovan?
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Wimbledon for me. They derailed out title bid with that 3-0 win at Villa Park in 1990 and I think they knocked us out the cup about 3 times in 5 years. I remember Vinnie Jones celebrating in front of us at the lovely Selhurst Park after they did us on penalties. After the game I walked past his sponsored BMW in the car park- obviously no player car park at Selhurst!- I was tempted to do something to it but with his name plastered all over it I'm sure other people saved me the trouble.
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Liverpool at Villa Park has been dire the past decade.
I remember as a kid in the 1990s hating Robbie Fowler with a passion for the way he always scored against us, always.
Leicester city at that time were a right pain in the ass too.
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Our record against Newcastle is poor. Especially at St James'.
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When we won there last season, it was our first victory against Fulham at Craven Cottage since 1971, when Chico Hamilton and Pat McMahon scored the goals for us.
We did beat them once at Loftus Road though.
Maybe The Cottage is a bogey ground
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It occurred to me on Saturday that Bolton were a bit of an thorn in the side for a period in the mid-late 90's. I remember one game in particular where we battered them for pretty much 90 minutes and they won through a Gary Speed penalty. That must have been under Gregory.
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Doncaster Rovers!
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Late Seventies, we always got turned over by Middlesbrough - despite the fact that we were miles better than them.
Broke the run without a win (7 games ?) in the crucial final home game of the Championship season.
There was definitely a fear of the bogey team doing us again at the time.
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We haven't beaten Burnley at Turf Moor in the League since 1936 - 23 games.
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Stoke at the moment
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It occurred to me on Saturday that Bolton were a bit of an thorn in the side for a period in the mid-late 90's. I remember one game in particular where we battered them for pretty much 90 minutes and they won through a Gary Speed penalty. That must have been under Gregory.
Their keeper (dont fancy tryna spell his name!) made save of the season from a Gary Cahill shot from about 30 yards. Werent a penalty and there 500 odd fans joined our poor attendance and diddnt sing all game either, one of the worst games iv ever been to. Think it might have been o'neills 1st season or o'drearys last. Cant quite remember that bit
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It occurred to me on Saturday that Bolton were a bit of an thorn in the side for a period in the mid-late 90's. I remember one game in particular where we battered them for pretty much 90 minutes and they won through a Gary Speed penalty. That must have been under Gregory.
Their keeper (dont fancy tryna spell his name!) made save of the season from a Gary Cahill shot from about 30 yards. Werent a penalty and there 500 odd fans joined our poor attendance and diddnt sing all game either, one of the worst games iv ever been to. Think it might have been o'neills 1st season or o'drearys last. Cant quite remember that bit
It was o'neill's first season. I was meeting the in-laws for the first time and had to stop myself swearing loudly when news of their goal came through on radio.
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Leicester, Man City, Rapid Vienna
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It occurred to me on Saturday that Bolton were a bit of an thorn in the side for a period in the mid-late 90's. I remember one game in particular where we battered them for pretty much 90 minutes and they won through a Gary Speed penalty. That must have been under Gregory.
Their keeper (dont fancy tryna spell his name!) made save of the season from a Gary Cahill shot from about 30 yards. Werent a penalty and there 500 odd fans joined our poor attendance and diddnt sing all game either, one of the worst games iv ever been to. Think it might have been o'neills 1st season or o'drearys last. Cant quite remember that bit
It was o'neill's first season. I was meeting the in-laws for the first time and had to stop myself swearing loudly when news of their goal came through on radio.
Was possibly the worst game iv ever seen and we always seemed to lose to bolton. I still hate playing em now there such a boring team
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It occurred to me on Saturday that Bolton were a bit of an thorn in the side for a period in the mid-late 90's. I remember one game in particular where we battered them for pretty much 90 minutes and they won through a Gary Speed penalty. That must have been under Gregory.
Their keeper (dont fancy tryna spell his name!) made save of the season from a Gary Cahill shot from about 30 yards. Werent a penalty and there 500 odd fans joined our poor attendance and diddnt sing all game either, one of the worst games iv ever been to. Think it might have been o'neills 1st season or o'drearys last. Cant quite remember that bit
It was o'neill's first season. I was meeting the in-laws for the first time and had to stop myself swearing loudly when news of their goal came through on radio.
Was possibly the worst game iv ever seen and we always seemed to lose to bolton. I still hate playing em now there such a boring team
I was thinking of 2002/03 when we lost to a Ricketts penalty, not a Speed one. But I was probably annoyed just as much by the later one.
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I remember in the 80s Notts Co been a bit of a bogey side, then we finally stuck 6 past them in a cup game IIRC.
Norwich away rarely makes me think of a Villa win.
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We certainly had some beatings at the hands of Notts County. I remember a shock opening day defeat, plus 4-1 and 5-2 thrashings at Meadow Lane. We won a FA Cup tie there 6-0 on a Wednesday night, then went back there on the Saturday and lost 1-0 in the league.
We always seemed to get out muscled by Wimbledon, but clearly remember a Sid Cowans and Tony Daley inspired victory at The Plough, despite the bullying tactics of Wise, Jones, Fashanu & Co. Football was definitely the winner that day.
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I checked our record against Notts Co, being a sad git. We lost both league games 1-0 in 81/82, but did win 6-0 away in the FAC3.
In 82/83 we lost 4-1 away and won the return 2-0. We lost in the LC 2nd round 1-2 (H) and 0-1 (A).
83/84 we lost 5-2 (A) and won 3-1 (H).
A pretty poor return considering how bad they were and we were Champions of England and Europe.
I think we've only played them once since then in the cup in the late 90s. Where we won the replay at VP 3-0 after a 0-0. IIRC.
Edited to add, I forgot until just they were in the top flight once more in 91/92, we won 1-0 home and drew 0-0 away.
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I hated Filbert Street so badly and we didnt win there for about 25 years
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We had a poor record against Luton for a few years,and being at school in Luton at the time didnt help.
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Man Yoo are our bogey team and whilst we may have the theatre of doom bogey off our back last season we still havent beaten them at home in the league since August 1995 a truly woeful state of affairs.
Stoke aren't doing us many favours at the moment so they're creeping up on the rails but there's a few grounds where we are usually crap including St James, COMS and Stamford Bridge.
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Wigan at home is the most bizarre one considering we win up there most seasons.
In the five home games we've played them at VP since they came up, we haven't scored in four of them!
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In the early 70s 3rd division - Mansfield, Torquay and Walsall spring to mind. My first ever away game was a 3-0 drubbing at Fellows Park in 1970-71 where about 50% of the ground was Villa. We did finally muller Torquay 5-1 on our first home game after securing promotion at Bradford the week before but prior to that they had beaten us home and away and dumped us out of the cup.
Rest of the 70s - Burnley, Boro, Luton. Boro were perpetually the most boring team in the division with no away support and a gloom and depression would accompany their team coach from Ayresome Park prior to Stan Cummins scoring his annual winner at VP. Always a deathly experience and always in freezing conditions. And there was a spell in the mid 70s where the noses would always turn us over.
1980s - Liverpool, Man U, Notts County for a long time (it was a Howard Wilkinson thing I reckon as he was the same with Leeds and Wednesday against us)
1990s - Man U, Blackburn, Wimbledon, Newcastle (we could never beat them under Keegan), Leeds for a fair few years
2000 onwards - Man U anywhere, Arsenal (away in particular), Chelsea away, Man City, Wigan at home, Liverpool, Spurs away, Fulham away, W Ham away
To counter this we always seem to do well against Wolves, Albion, Coventry, Everton, Fulham at home. And Spurs, W Ham and Chelsea rarely win at VP
Grounds where I shudder at our record - Old Trafford, Craven Cottage, COMS, Sid James Park, White Hart Lane, Selhurst Park. I have been to the latter on many occasions against Wimbledon, Palace and Charlton and never seen us win there. I hate the place.
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Rapid bloody Vienna.
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I remember in the 80s Notts Co been a bit of a bogey side, then we finally stuck 6 past them in a cup game IIRC.
Norwich away rarely makes me think of a Villa win.
Dec 1993 is the only away win at Norwich that comes to mind, we won 2-1 with Houghton and Saunders scoring for us and Sutton for them.
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In fairness, just about everyone nearly always loses at Chelsea and Man U.
The annoying thing with Man City is they always used to beat us even when they were utter gash. Now they can afford anyone they like wins there might become as rare as wins away to their local rivals used to be before we started pissing all over them (100% record against them in our last, err..., one match there).
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I remember in the 80s Notts Co been a bit of a bogey side, then we finally stuck 6 past them in a cup game IIRC.
Norwich away rarely makes me think of a Villa win.
Dec 1993 is the only away win at Norwich that comes to mind, we won 2-1 with Houghton and Saunders scoring for us and Sutton for them.
Last game of 1974/75, already both promoted along with Man Utd. We won there 4-1 leaving our two top scorers in the stand (Graydon and Little).
We beat them `away` at Wembley too 3 months earlier.
ASTON VILLA ! CANARY KILLA !
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I remember in the 80s Notts Co been a bit of a bogey side, then we finally stuck 6 past them in a cup game IIRC.
Norwich away rarely makes me think of a Villa win.
Dec 1993 is the only away win at Norwich that comes to mind, we won 2-1 with Houghton and Saunders scoring for us and Sutton for them.
Last game of 1974/75, already both promoted along with Man Utd. We won there 4-1 leaving our two top scorers in the stand (Graydon and Little).
We beat them `away` at Wembley too 3 months earlier.
ASTON VILLA ! CANARY KILLA !
I also remember us playing them away in both cups in the mid 80s, in the space of about a week. I'm sure we won one (LC?) and lost one (FAC).
Time to try and find my old Complete Record.
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Burnley ,Man United ,Man City, Stoke City and Newcastle all away .Have been to these grounds god knows how many time and have seen us win about 3 times.
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2000 onwards - Man U anywhere, Arsenal (away in particular), Chelsea away, Man City, Wigan at home, Liverpool, Spurs away, Fulham away, W Ham away
I wouldn't say arsenal away is much of a bogey ground. Since they have moved to the emirates they have won one, we have won two and the other 2 were draws that we should have won.
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We have taken more points at Arsenal's new ground than any other visiting team.
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2000 onwards - Man U anywhere, Arsenal (away in particular), Chelsea away, Man City, Wigan at home, Liverpool, Spurs away, Fulham away, W Ham away
I wouldn't say arsenal away is much of a bogey ground. Since they have moved to the emirates they have won one, we have won two and the other 2 were draws that we should have won.
Spot on and apologies - I meant at home. I don;t think we have beaten them at Villa Park since 1998.
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2000 onwards - Man U anywhere, Arsenal (away in particular), Chelsea away, Man City, Wigan at home, Liverpool, Spurs away, Fulham away, W Ham away
I wouldn't say arsenal away is much of a bogey ground. Since they have moved to the emirates they have won one, we have won two and the other 2 were draws that we should have won.
Spot on and apologies - I meant at home. I don;t think we have beaten them at Villa Park since 1998.
Although we haven't won any of them, they all seem to have been decent games with plenty of talking points. Henry/Halsey freekick, the Pires lob, Zat Knights equaliser and last seasons game was entertaining too.
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Teams I remember us not having a particularly good record against: Leicester (obviously), Boro, Palace, Coventry, Oldham and Southampton. Leeds were always a tricky opponent too
Coventry? My memory may be faulty but I felt we thumped them for years before they managed a win? We always took the piss at Highfield Road. Remember them bringing the League Cup one year (77?) - the home fans loved that!
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Norwich away were always a bit of a bugger to beat in the 70's.
One match in particular sticks in my mind: Norwich 5 Villa 3 in the 75/76 season.
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Wigan at home
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Man City away, hate the bloody place, 4 times i've been and 4 times we've been twatted.
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Leicester sticks out like a saw thumb.
Modern era ,bloody Wigan at Villa Park!! I hope we hammer them next season!