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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: TheSandman on September 13, 2010, 03:54:23 PM
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I'm told that young Forrester had a good match for Kilmarnock at the weekend. He came on for David Silva (Not that one!) late in the first half and was a real live wire, had a few decent chances and even got stuck in a bit.
Any other young lions out on loan who played at the weekend?
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Who else is out on loan?
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Harry playing today v Celtic and playing very well, Killie 1 - 0 up too
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Now we have a manager you may see a few lads go out.
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We've got a few more lads out on loan so maybe time to revive this.
Lichaj looking solid for Leeds on the Football League Show.
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John Carew - NotW rated him 6 out of 10 for Stoke against the Blues
Brad Guzan - 6 out of 10 for Hull against Preston, and kept a clean sheet
Isaiah Osbourne - 6 out of 10 for Sheffield Wednesday against Rochdale as a second-half sub
Jonathan Hogg - 6 out of 10 for Portsmouth against Doncaster, and was sent off for two yellows
Eric Lichaj - 6 out of 10 for Leeds against Bristol City
Shane Lowry - 6 out of 10 for Sheffield United against Millwall
Andreas Weimann - 6 out of 10 for Watford against Burnley as a second-half sub
Arsenio Halfhuid played for Dutch Second Division Volendam against Emmen, after being sent-off on his debut two weeks ago
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Who else is out on loan?
Lichaj at Leeds
Lowry at Sheffield Utd
Hogg at Portsmouth
Weimann at Watford
Ireland at Newcastle
Guzan at Hull
Carew at Stoke
Osbourne at Sheffield Wednesday
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They're a very 6/10 bunch!
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Thanks for posting this-I was wondering what had happened to Forrester as he looked like one to make the grade.
Strange place to go though.
Salifou is currently on loan to B&Q in the timber department.
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Forrester's at Kilmarnock... was doing ok till he got injured and hasn't been able to get his place back last I heard.
He seems destined to end up somewhere like St Neots Town.
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Forrester is back at the Villa. He only had a six month loan.
He played in the 10-1 for the reserves.
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Good idea for a thread, forgot we had so many out on-loan.
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Apparently Ipswich are looking to get Beye on loan, I hope it's true and it's a 100% wage deal but somehow I doubt it.
Sky Sports (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11677_6754050,00.html)
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I'd cheerfully accept 25% of wages paid just to get the foul odour away from Bodymoor.
Weimann scored for Watford against Palace (??) at the start of the month, think it was his first start. My man at Watford says he's looked quite comfortable and has hopes for him, although I think he is hoping they'll get promoted (tee hee) and sign him on a full time deal.
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Apparently Ipswich are looking to get Beye on loan, I hope it's true and it's a 100% wage deal but somehow I doubt it.
Sky Sports (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11677_6754050,00.html)
Good news!
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Salifou is currently on loan to B&Q in the timber department.
Good news!
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The Beye deal is on the BBC now, not confirmed yet but definitely a serious bid from Ipswich. If they didn't hate us for what we did to them in 80/81 then they're really going to hate us now!
BBC Sport (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/i/ipswich_town/9400543.stm)
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The Beye deal is on the BBC now, not confirmed yet but definitely a serious bid from Ipswich. If they didn't hate us for what we did to them in 80/81 then they're really going to hate us now!
BBC Sport (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/i/ipswich_town/9400543.stm)
Come on Ipswich, he is really good!
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He'll do a very decent job at that level I reckon.
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Hmm, they'll probably end-up paying 10% of his £40k a week and he's still got 16 months left on his contract. Derickulous.
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Wiemann has just scored for Watford
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Weimann scores.
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in terms of goals to minutes, he has 2 in 2 games...
although that depends on how many minutes he gets today... if he plays the whole game today, he would have 2 in 3... (although that depends on whether he scores again too)
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think strike force for next season will be bent, gabby, fonz and weiman. heskey will go to leicester
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Not sure about Fonz but I have high hopes for Wiemann
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Carew 2 in 2 at The Brittannia
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Carew 2 in 2 at The Brittannia
He will do well there, they lump the ball up to him and he always starts off like a firework... it's good to see Weimann getting amongst the goals.
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Is young Weimann on loan for the rest of the season?
I think he can become a cracking player at the Villa.
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Is young Weimann on loan for the rest of the season?
I think he can become a cracking player at the Villa.
Me too. Just saw the goal, cool finish.
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Is young Weimann on loan for the rest of the season?
I think he can become a cracking player at the Villa.
Me too. Just saw the goal, cool finish.
you mean he hit the defender with his first shot and then smacked in the rebound
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Is young Weimann on loan for the rest of the season?
I think he can become a cracking player at the Villa.
Me too. Just saw the goal, cool finish.
you mean he hit the defender with his first shot and then smacked in the rebound
Yes, but often when you're initial shot is blocked you are in no position to control and put away the rebound, he did well.
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Is young Weimann on loan for the rest of the season?
I think he can become a cracking player at the Villa.
Me too. Just saw the goal, cool finish.
you mean he hit the defender with his first shot and then smacked in the rebound
His first shot was blocked and came back at him quite sharply. With one touch he controlled the ball and dummied the defender directly between him and the goal, then hit it home. Thanks for telling me what I meant though, I'm such an inarticulate twat. I'd much rather be a condescending one.
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you mean he hit the defender with his first shot and then smacked in the rebound
His first shot was blocked and came back at him quite sharply. With one touch he controlled the ball and dummied the defender directly between him and the goal, then hit it home. Thanks for telling me what I meant though, I'm such an inarticulate twat. I'd much rather be a condescending one.
(http://www.freewebs.com/ut3kowclan/pwned%20DH.jpg)
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A few more out on loan now.
Guzan will have to watch out for the Fonz tonight as they both start in Hull V Burnley.
Banana and Weimann begin their evenings on the bench.
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And the Fonz has scored.
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Goal for Fonzy 9 minutes in
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Forgot about Hoggy and Lichaj... They are playing tonight too.
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Is Ozzie playing ?
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Yes and so is Lowry.
I'm doing well.
Currently out on loan:
Stephen Ireland (at Newcastle United until May 2011)
John Carew (at Stoke City until May 2011)
Nathan Delfouneso (at Burnley until May 2011)
Barry Bannan (at Leeds United until May 2011)
Isaiah Osbourne (at Sheffield Wednesday until May 2011)
Jonathan Hogg (at Portsmouth until May 2011)
Eric Lichaj (at Leeds United until May 2011)
Shane Lowry (at Sheffield United until May 2011)
Andreas Weimann (at Watford until May 2011)
Calum Flanagan (at Kettering Town until May 2011)
Arsenio Halfhuid (at Volendam until May 2011)
Guzan not listed as out on loan by Wikipedia but he is as Hull have just resigned him.
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Well done to the fonz and blimey what a good chunk of wages we are saving!
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Yes and so is Lowry.
I'm doing well.
Currently out on loan:
Stephen Ireland (at Newcastle United until May 2011)
John Carew (at Stoke City until May 2011)
Nathan Delfouneso (at Burnley until May 2011)
Barry Bannan (at Leeds United until May 2011)
Isaiah Osbourne (at Sheffield Wednesday until May 2011)
Jonathan Hogg (at Portsmouth until May 2011)
Eric Lichaj (at Leeds United until May 2011)
Shane Lowry (at Sheffield United until May 2011)
Andreas Weimann (at Watford until May 2011)
Calum Flanagan (at Kettering Town until May 2011)
Arsenio Halfhuid (at Volendam until May 2011)
Guzan not listed as out on loan by Wikipedia but he is as Hull have just resigned him.
And I thought we had a small squad?
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Yes and so is Lowry.
I'm doing well.
Currently out on loan:
Stephen Ireland (at Newcastle United until May 2011)
John Carew (at Stoke City until May 2011)
Nathan Delfouneso (at Burnley until May 2011)
Barry Bannan (at Leeds United until May 2011)
Isaiah Osbourne (at Sheffield Wednesday until May 2011)
Jonathan Hogg (at Portsmouth until May 2011)
Eric Lichaj (at Leeds United until May 2011)
Shane Lowry (at Sheffield United until May 2011)
Andreas Weimann (at Watford until May 2011)
Calum Flanagan (at Kettering Town until May 2011)
Arsenio Halfhuid (at Volendam until May 2011)
Guzan not listed as out on loan by Wikipedia but he is as Hull have just resigned him.
salifou on loan to the local Tesco
where is salifou?
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(http://androidheadlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/WheresWaldo.jpg)
In there, somewhere
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Yes and so is Lowry.
I'm doing well.
Currently out on loan:
Stephen Ireland (at Newcastle United until May 2011)
John Carew (at Stoke City until May 2011)
Nathan Delfouneso (at Burnley until May 2011)
Barry Bannan (at Leeds United until May 2011)
Isaiah Osbourne (at Sheffield Wednesday until May 2011)
Jonathan Hogg (at Portsmouth until May 2011)
Eric Lichaj (at Leeds United until May 2011)
Shane Lowry (at Sheffield United until May 2011)
Andreas Weimann (at Watford until May 2011)
Calum Flanagan (at Kettering Town until May 2011)
Arsenio Halfhuid (at Volendam until May 2011)
Guzan not listed as out on loan by Wikipedia but he is as Hull have just resigned him.
salifou on loan to the local Tesco
where is salifou?
Did he really exist?
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(http://androidheadlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/WheresWaldo.jpg)
In there, somewhere
Top right corner accidentaly treading on the woman's dress.
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Right, who are we shipping out tomorrow?
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A guess would be Herd
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Did Bannan get on?
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Did Bannan get on?
Yes he played the last 7 mins
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Did Bannan get on?
Yes he played the last 7 mins
They'd better start giving him a full game, or what's the point?
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Isn't Forrester in Scotland and Collins(2) somewhere about?
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Right, who are we shipping out tomorrow?
I expect Albrighton to join Cowdenbeath by the end of the day.
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Isn't Forrester in Scotland and Collins(2) somewhere about?
Forrester played 7 games for Kilmarnock, but came back to Villa in January.
Collins Jr signed for Shrewsbury on Jan 7th on permanent deal (http://www.shrewsburytown.com/page/NewsDetail/0,,10443~2260488,00.html)
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Saw a clip of James Collins (2) scoring for Shrewsbury, so he's another out on loan. reat goal too, in a game full of terrific goals (this is league 2 we're talking about. Check it out on the bbc website (Northampton Shrewsbury).
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Sorry Submariner, you slipped that info in while I was typing. I stand corrected.
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Just looking at Fonzies stats. He's made 12 starts in professional football and scored 9 goals.
OK, so he's made a heap of sub appearances too, but still impressive.
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Sorry Submariner, you slipped that info in while I was typing. I stand corrected.
I'm well known for slipping stuff in when people aren't looking!
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Isn't that the nature of Submarine warfare?
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Isn't that the nature of Submarine warfare?
I don't remember saying anything about Submarines!
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Isn't Andy Comyn still out on loan somewhere ? Did we forget to ask for him back ?
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Isn't Forrester in Scotland and Collins(2) somewhere about?
Forrester played 7 games for Kilmarnock, but came back to Villa in January.
Collins Jr signed for Shrewsbury on Jan 7th on permanent deal (http://www.shrewsburytown.com/page/NewsDetail/0,,10443~2260488,00.html)
Cheers tube dude.
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*bump* Any of them do any good today?
From his own thread, read about Fonz getting the hook after 68 mins with Burnley 2-0 down at home to Millwall.
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From his own thread, read about Fonz getting the hook after 68 mins with Burnley 2-0 down at home to Millwall.
Those Millwall fans are bastards they should be behind a fence
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Stephen Ireland - Spent the day polishing his pink girly Range Rover whilst crying that nobody likes him.
John Carew - Took advantage of the 3 dances for the price of 2 deal at Fantasies in West Bromwich.
Nathan Delfouneso - Hit the post in the first half. From what I've read on a Burnley site he had little service, but didn't do too bad. Seems he was the only player to go over and clap the fans in the Jimmy Mac stand after the match so he is getting good kudos for that.
Barry Bannan - Came on with 10 mins to go and seems didn't do too much
Isaiah Osbourne - Subbed after 68 mins in home defeat to Notts Co
Jonathan Hogg - Played the whole game for Pompey. My mate says he was ok but nothing special. Suspects that mid-table Championship is about his level from what he's seen.
Eric Lichaj - From the Marching on Together site - "apart from one mistake showed some good skill. Looks a very good prospect for Villa"
Shane Lowry - Played the whole match for the Blades - wasn't helped that they only had 9 men for about an hour of the game!
Andreas Weimann - Came on for the last 9 mins v Blades.
Calum Flanagan - Played the whole game for Kettering
Arsenio Halfhuid - Unused sub
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Thanks for going to the bother of finding all that out.
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Very good research, especially the work done on Carew.
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It's a bit worrying that Bannan is not getting full games which is after all I hope the point of his move.
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Sorry where is Eric Lichaj playing for?
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Leeds
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I saw guzan today, hardly had a lot to do but looked solid enough- a couple of flaps at crosses but barely a shot to save.
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BBC.co.uk thinks that Coventry had seven shots on target.
Hull's defenders must have cleared a lot of shots off the line.
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They cleared 3 off the line in the 2nd half dave, but the shots guzan had to save were pretty routine , nothing special-Westwood made some decent saves and hull were the better team by a mile.
To his credit guzan seemed pretty confident and as I say apart from a couple of flaps he was fine.
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Stephen Ireland - Spent the day polishing his pink girly Range Rover whilst crying that nobody likes him.
John Carew - Took advantage of the 3 dances for the price of 2 deal at Fantasies in West Bromwich.
Nathan Delfouneso - Hit the post in the first half. From what I've read on a Burnley site he had little service, but didn't do too bad. Seems he was the only player to go over and clap the fans in the Jimmy Mac stand after the match so he is getting good kudos for that.
Barry Bannan - Came on with 10 mins to go and seems didn't do too much
Isaiah Osbourne - Subbed after 68 mins in home defeat to Notts Co
Jonathan Hogg - Played the whole game for Pompey. My mate says he was ok but nothing special. Suspects that mid-table Championship is about his level from what he's seen.
Eric Lichaj - From the Marching on Together site - "apart from one mistake showed some good skill. Looks a very good prospect for Villa"
Shane Lowry - Played the whole match for the Blades - wasn't helped that they only had 9 men for about an hour of the game!
Andreas Weimann - Came on for the last 9 mins v Blades.
Calum Flanagan - Played the whole game for Kettering
Arsenio Halfhuid - Unused sub
Thanks very much VS. You are now our designated loan-watcher.
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Can this be a sticky for the rest of the season?
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Can this be a sticky for the rest of the season?
Seconded.
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It's almost like having a second team to follow, albeit they're all dotted around different clubs
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There's no way I'm "following" fucking Leeds.
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Check out how our stars are doing away from Villa Park (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2315353,00.html)
(http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/f8/bd/0,,10265~8961528,00.jpg)
Brad Guzan kept an impressive clean sheet as Hull defeated Coventry 1-0 at the Ricoh Arena.
In the process, the Tigers set a new club record for unbeaten away league matches - 14 without defeat on their travels.
Aaron Mclean scored the only goal of the game when he thumped in Matty Fryatt's pass beyond keeper Keiren Westwood in the first half.
Eric Lichaj and Barry Bannan were both involved as Leeds United missed the chance to close in on the automatic promotion spots as they were held to a draw by Ipswich Town.
Swansea's defeat at Derby meant Leeds could have moved up to joint second in the table with a win but the hosts were frustrated by a glut of wasted chances.
Lichaj started at right-back and played 90 minutes while Bannan was introduced as a 76th minute substitute in front of a crowd of 27,432.
Shane Lowry could do nothing to prevent Sheffield United going down 3-0 at Watford.
Lowry played the whole game as the relegation-threatened Blades were reduced to nine men inside 34 minutes in the defeat at Vicarage Road.
The Blades went behind to a Danny Graham header from close range. Striker Darius Henderson was then sent off for the visitors after being given a second yellow following a clash with Lee Hodson, who was stretchered off.
The Blades also had Lee Williamson red-carded for a foul on Lloyd Doyley, before Martin Taylor and Ross Jenkins went on to add to the Hornets lead.
Andreas Weimann played the last nine minutes for Watford.
Nathan Delfouneso played up front for 68 minutes as Burnley went down 3-0 at home to Millwall.
Paul Robinson scored a second-half double as the Lions ended the home side's three-match winning run and kept their own faint play-off hopes alive.
Defender Robinson opened the scoring from six yards with a neat left-footed finish from Andros Townsend's corner. Robinson grabbed his second when he met Alan Dunne's cross and fired in left-footed from 12 yards out. Townsend grabbed a third in the 87th minute when he rifled home a low left-foot shot from 12 yards.
Jonathan Hogg produced an typical all-action performance in Portsmouth's 0-0 home draw with Middlesbrough.
Hogg played 90 minutes in a game which swung one way and then the other.
Pompey had the best of the first half, Hermann Hreidarsson's header hitting the bar. Boro were the better side for much of the second period, Scott McDonald drawing a save from Jamie Ashdown.
Isaiah Osbourne played 68 minutes for Sheffield Wednesday in their League One defeat at home to Notts County.
The Magpies eased their relegation worries with their first victory in four matches as the poor home league run of the Owls continued.
Alan Gow scored the only goal of the game as he converted a penalty after he had been fouled by Mark Beevers.
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I think Leeds are taking the piss not starting Bannan. He's better than anybody in their squad by a bajillion megametres.
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I think Hogg's doing well at Portsmouth. Also interesting to see Osbourne. How their career paths are about to change.
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Thanks to whoever merged these.
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I think Leeds are taking the piss not starting Bannan. He's better than anybody in their squad by a bajillion megametres.
Not sure at the moment. Someone like \Snodgrass is class for them at that level. The rest of the midfield seems to playing well at the moment so why risk upsetting that by playing a fresh faced kid from Villa? however good he may be.
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I think Leeds are taking the piss not starting Bannan. He's better than anybody in their squad by a bajillion megametres.
I feared this would happen, them having him and not playing him from the start.
One of the reasons I was dead set against him going there.
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Leeds United have extended the loan of Aston Villa defender Eric Lichaj until 7 May.
The 22-year-old United States international joined Leeds on a one-month deal in February and has played seven games for the Championship side.
"Eric has done well since he came here," United manager Simon Grayson told the club website.
"He has shown his qualities and he gives us good competition in the right-back area."
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I think Leeds are taking the piss not starting Bannan. He's better than anybody in their squad by a bajillion megametres.
Not sure at the moment. Someone like \Snodgrass is class for them at that level. The rest of the midfield seems to playing well at the moment so why risk upsetting that by playing a fresh faced kid from Villa? however good he may be.
Why is it a risk playing a much better player than you already have? The only risk would be a risk of getting promoted to the Premier league and in the face of that and all those undoubtedly huge promotion payout bonuses, I'm sure none of their squad would turn a blind eye.
Aside from anything else, they are fortunate to have him. The ONLY reason they do have him is so they play him.
If they dont, send him elsewhere.
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Anyone know how Fonz played last night ? No goals, any assists ?
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The Fonz
Getting a bit of a bad review from the Burnley fans it seems. Saying that they understand he's playing up front on his own and not getting much service. Some of the comments though -
He's got to be better than this surely (from what I've seen before he is)? He's got pace to burn but Iwelumo is more of a threat in behind! Movement so poor it's untrue.
First game ive managed to see him, and although service wasnt there, didnt look like scoring
Once nice turn and hit, but did absolutely nothing to justify retaining his place: running side ways across the pitch whilst your teammates are increasingly stranded up front and goalside of you is not good play. He was passable whilst we had momentum first half, but as we lost our way he was a total passenger. A minor tick for winning the corner from which we equalised.
More of a Whittingham than a Cahill on what I've seen so far. How exactly is he in the U21s ahead of Rodriguez on current form ?
Wee-Man
Came on for last 9 mins
Ozzy
Played the whole match in 4-1 home defeat to Posh. Can't find any comments from Owls fans about how he is playing.
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Is Weimann still at Watford?
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Is Weimann still at Watford?
Yes but spends most of the time on the bench.Annoyingly
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Thanks for the update VSM
Hope fonz gets his act together soon, I fear another Luke Moore scenario unfolding
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Thanks for the update VSM
Hope fonz gets his act together soon, I fear another Luke Moore scenario unfolding
Yes, I agree. The Burnley fans' comments don't surprise me one bit because, in truth, they are largely what I have thought when I have seen him play. Needs to look like he wants it for me and that isn't very evident just now...
Hope I am wrong
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here is another burnley fans view,
To an extent, though not as bad as Saturday. (when asked about long balls being played up to him as a lone striker)
The few patches in the game where we actually played football and got the ball quickly to his feet he showed fine close control and link up play. Had a few promising runs at their defence as well.
Also, I think Carlisle and/or Duff's dropping from the side is imminent, paving the way for Bikey/Edgar who (I'd like to think) can actually play football a bit and control their feet. Will surely benefit the whole team, not just Delfouneso.
Looks a good signing, but, as you say, I've only seen him in two matches where the team as a whole haven't played well.
Definitely an improvement on what we have (though it is Chris Iwelumo) and his attitude seems decent, given I was told he may have a problem there.
Pace to burn which, at this level, frightens the life out of defenders and could see him posing a major attacking threat once he's settled more.
There won't be many better front three's in the league than Delfouneso, Rodriguez and Eagles when they're all on song. Though even when they're not, they'll always pose a threat.
one thing i like from those views, is that they look at what is happening with the team as a whole, and the tactics employed, as it indicates looking further than merely "oh noes, e azzent scord, coz e iz crap, innit"...
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Thanks for the update VSM
Hope fonz gets his act together soon, I fear another Luke Moore scenario unfolding
Yes, I agree. The Burnley fans' comments don't surprise me one bit because, in truth, they are largely what I have thought when I have seen him play. Needs to look like he wants it for me and that isn't very evident just now...
Hope I am wrong
Doesn't the fact that he has gone out on loan show that he does "want it"? The easy option would be to stay put and pick up his wages. He's gone out to Burnley because he wants to play games. I have to say from the few times I have seen him his attitude and application have looked fine.
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one thing i like from those views, is that they look at what is happening with the team as a whole, and the tactics employed, as it indicates looking further than merely "oh noes, e azzent scord, coz e iz crap, innit"...
and in response to that, a burnley fan wrote this...
Oh, you'll get that with a few Burnley fans. Even if he scored in every game they'd find something to moan about. Some of them wouldn't be happy if Messi signed for us...
Yeah, as I say, he's contributed quite a lot and gives us another option that we didn't have before. He still hasn't fully settled in yet, and the debut goal was just a bonus. I'd give him as much time as he needs to bed in, as he has undoubted talent.
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It strikes ne that the Fonz could do with a whole season on loan somewhere. Based on what we've seen at villa I think we'd struggle to know how best to use the Fonz. After 35+ games in the championship we'd (and he would) have a much better idea of how best to use him and indeed exactly how good he is.
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I know this will come as a big shock, along with "coal is black" and "Chris Smith is tenacious", but talking with a Wednesday fan I can tell you that Osbourne is pants, even in the third division. Though there may be some scope for him in a 5 (or was that 25) man midfield.
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It strikes ne that the Fonz could do with a whole season on loan somewhere. Based on what we've seen at villa I think we'd struggle to know how best to use the Fonz. After 35+ games in the championship we'd (and he would) have a much better idea of how best to use him and indeed exactly how good he is.
Been saying this for ages. Fonz should have been out on loan some of last season and all/most of this. What he needs is gametime and physically getting up to speed. He won't get that playing 5 a side at BH or for the reserves playing against other youth team players.
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Elliott Parish had a bad start on emergency loan for Lincoln City. They lost 6 - 0 at home.
Don't think he had a chance to train with his defence though.
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Elliott Parish had a bad start on emergency loan for Lincoln City. They lost 6 - 0 at home.
Don't think he had a chance to train with his defence though.
Sounds like he's been training with ours.
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As an aside, Villa are beating Wales 2-0 at the moment (Young wins penalty; Bent scores a second from a Young cross). Young playing as a winger - weyhey!! It seems to be working (surprise, surprise).
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^other games thread at the top of the page.
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It's really hard to tell how good our kids are. I wouldn't be surprised if it was only really Albrighton, Clark and Delph who made it. And Clark is going to have to get a lot more aggressive to make it as a premier league centre half.
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Thanks for the update VSM
Hope fonz gets his act together soon, I fear another Luke Moore scenario unfolding
Yes, I agree. The Burnley fans' comments don't surprise me one bit because, in truth, they are largely what I have thought when I have seen him play. Needs to look like he wants it for me and that isn't very evident just now...
Hope I am wrong
Doesn't the fact that he has gone out on loan show that he does "want it"? The easy option would be to stay put and pick up his wages. He's gone out to Burnley because he wants to play games. I have to say from the few times I have seen him his attitude and application have looked fine.
I'm not sure I agree with the first part of this. It's assumed that a player will automatically stand up for his rights and dig his heels in if he doesn't want to go out on loan. But in my experience, you get passive people too who would agree to a lot of things for a quiet life. Who's to say that Delfouneso isn't like that? Yeah, footballers have an ego like the rest of us, but some footballers are like Craig Bellamy and others may be far less demonstrative.
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Against Blackpool at home the Fonz had a good goal dissallowed then scored another that stood. After he had scored you could see the confidence he gained from it ,and he started to play as if he was enjoying himself rather than looking nervous and hesitant. I thought it was rotten management to take him off so soon after his goal, if that had been me I would have felt flattened.
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Thanks for the update VSM
Hope fonz gets his act together soon, I fear another Luke Moore scenario unfolding
I've said for a while now that I think that's the way he'll go. Unfortunately I don't think he'll be good enough for us.
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Thanks for the update VSM
Hope fonz gets his act together soon, I fear another Luke Moore scenario unfolding
Yes, I agree. The Burnley fans' comments don't surprise me one bit because, in truth, they are largely what I have thought when I have seen him play. Needs to look like he wants it for me and that isn't very evident just now...
Hope I am wrong
I don't think his attitude has been bad, from what i've seen. I just don't think he's. Good enough player.
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Sheffield Wednesday have sent Osbourne back early...
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Sheffield Wednesday have sent Osbourne back early...
Oh dear, released in the summer ?
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Here's hoping.
A truly abysmal player. One of the worst I've seen play for us.
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Sheffield Wednesday have sent Osbourne back early...
Oh dear, released in the summer ?
That really is the kiss of death when a League 1 club doesn't want you!
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I still have no idea why he got a next 4 year contract in November 2007.
If you look back, he was struggling to get on our bench then.
Another who I can see quickly sliding down the leagues.
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Here's hoping.
A truly abysmal player. One of the worst I've seen play for us.
Oh, how unfair, he did have one good game you know against Everton when he even managed a pass to Sutton to score...
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Sheffield Wednesday have sent Osbourne back early...
Oh dear, released in the summer ?
That really is the kiss of death when a League 1 club doesn't want you!
he can come and lay bricks for me, if he can keep them in line
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Strange one that, he was always starting the games whenever I checked the line ups.
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Strange one that, he was always starting the games whenever I checked the line ups.
Checking on a Sheff Wed site they are saying it's no great loss, and the reason behind it seems to be that they can only have 5 loan players in their match day squad, so Osbourne is the spare prick at the party.
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Here's hoping.
A truly abysmal player. One of the worst I've seen play for us.
Agree.
He and Salifou are a complete and utter waste of resources.
O'Neill used to say that Osbourne saw himself as the 'new Viera' and clearly he believed him judging by the ludicrous 4 year contract he got.
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I remember seeing Ozzy play for us at Old Trafford and he had a stormer of a game in CM, not sure where it all went wrong
As for Salifou, the only time of seen him was for the reserves the other night, i know its only a reserve game but he did really well, i'd prefer him on our bench to Pires
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Bananaman, the Fonz and Boss Hogg all started tonight for their teams. And they all lost. Bannan taken off in the second half.
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Osbourne had about two games where he looked half-decent including a one-one draw at Arsenal when we should've won. He wasn't the worst player I've seen in a Villa shirt and we probably aren't paying him much (not compared to that twat Ireland anyway!). It might have been a bit hasty to sign him on a four-year deal, but then again we do that with most of our youngsters. At least it stops us losing them for nothing if they do end up being stars. As others have said, no great loss, but I hope he does ok.
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Bananaman, the Fonz and Boss Hogg all started tonight for their teams. And they all lost. Bannan taken off in the second half.
I've said on earlier posts, BB seems to fade badly in the second half of games and is too easily brushed off by stronger / bigger players. I'm willing him to make it but the jury's out IMO.
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I've been underwhelmed by the performance of our youngsters out on loan. Weimann and fonz are very young, and at least fonz is starting, but they're not scoring. I really fear that after the initial 'i told you so' reaction to bannan's first couple of games he's not going to have the physique to make an impact week in week out. I've never thought Hogg would make it.
Of the other kids, albrighton should be a regular again next year, but needs to improve his passing and tactical awareness. I think the really interesting ones are delph and Clark. Both should be trying to make themselves a regular next season. I think they're both 21 now? Clark is very talented bit needs to improve his ability to fight against physical players where he often gets outmuscled. Delph looks very good on patches and has all the attributes, but can be tactically poor so gets bypassed. Needs more games than he's had over the last 2 years.
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Danger is they get sucked down a level then fade into obscurity see Ozzy
Weimann only got the last 18 mins and banana lasted until 72 mins
Fonz not mentioned in the match report yet he played the full 90
Where did Hogg go ?
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Dont be over concerned with the results. For instance, Gabby went on loan a couple of times in lower leagues and did nothing, yet came back and made a name for himself in the Premier League. It's all about getting experience at this stage.
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I hate to say it but they don't appear to be seething the world on fire do they. Arguably Licah seems to be trusted/used the most.
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I've been underwhelmed by the performance of our youngsters out on loan. Weimann and fonz are very young, and at least fonz is starting, but they're not scoring.
From what I've read, the Watford manager rates Weimann, he's been saying that Weimann's trying too hard to score, just needs to relax a bit...
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Weimann scored at the weekend didn't he?
Reading a Burnley forum, they just cannot see anything in the Fonz. Thing he was great in the europa a couple of seasons back, but seems to have not kicked on at all, and rarely looks a genuine threat. He needs a turning point to get him going.
Bannan IMO will be getting good experience just being in a physical league for a few weeks.
Hogg - not good enough IMO, and Osbourne.... whoever gave him that deal should be,..... oh it was him.
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Reading a Burnley forum, they just cannot see anything in the Fonz. Thing he was great in the europa a couple of seasons back, but seems to have not kicked on at all, and rarely looks a genuine threat. He needs a turning point to get him going.
Maybe Fonzie just doesnt like playing with crap players. Or maybe he's missing his mum. His goalscoring record for Villa is impressive enough for me not to be concerned what Reading fans think.
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Some reports suggest fonzy has to sort his attitude
Another Luke Moore scenario ?
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I've been underwhelmed by the performance of our youngsters out on loan. Weimann and fonz are very young, and at least fonz is starting, but they're not scoring.
From what I've read, the Watford manager rates Weimann, he's been saying that Weimann's trying too hard to score, just needs to relax a bit...
Mackay was raving about Weimann's quality when he first got there.
He may not be banging them in, but he may be contributing a lot more to their overall play.
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Stephen Ireland may or may not finally get a run out tonight?
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Stephen Ireland may or may not finally get a run out tonight?
He's on the bench
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Fonz dropped to the bench & Burnley appear to be benefitting, 3 up already
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Ireland came on for the last half hour or so for the Barcodes at Blackpool.
Bannan and Delfouneso left benched for Leeds last night and Burnley today, respectively.
Weimann came on in the 53rd minute of Watford's win against Barnsley.
All three of those teams, Leeds, Burnley and Watford are chasing the play-offs but only Leeds have a realistic chance and they are fading. I wonder should we have let them have Delph back for a couple of months, he's disappeared from our bench lately. Then again, would we have wanted him to help get Leeds up...
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Watching the Pompey highlights and Hogg put in a sublime ball over the top for Kanu.
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Christ's chin, Kanu is still at Pompey?
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He must be in his early 50s now ?
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Weimann taken off injured after 16 minutes for Watford against Leicester. Not sure about any details of the injury.
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Christ's chin, Kanu is still at Pompey?
Yes.
Houllier actually wanted to sign him in January. But being a cup final scorer and proud owner of one of the most funniest names in football, he's way way more expensive than Bent.
We're lucky we can't afford him.
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Bannan on the bench again for Leeds
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The disapponting performances of our youngsters on loan should give us a reality-check. They're not (yet) good enough for a team aspiring for a Top 6 position or higher.
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Mental how Bannan is being left on the bench at Leeds given a) they've drastically lost form and b) he set both goals up the last time he played for them.
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The disapponting performances of our youngsters on loan should give us a reality-check. They're not (yet) good enough for a team aspiring for a Top 6 position or higher.
Our best three youngsters for the first team are still at the club and all three of them can think themselves unfortunate not to have played more in the second half of the season. Bannan seems to be unlucky not to be getting a game for Leeds and many of the others pretty much everyone has concluded wouldn't really be getting that close to the first team.
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regarding delfouneso, i dont think the loan has done him any favours, although playing out of position on the wing may help his overall game in the centre, but on the whole, chatting to burnley fans whose opinions i trust, they think he has bas of ability, but they dont think he is a winger (neither do i), and they dont think he is suited to long ball tactics (neither do i)...
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Fonz has never really had a chance down the villa and it's hard to see now how he will get a run of say 7 or 8 straight games to prove he's up to the task.
Difficult one
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Bannan IMO will be getting good experience just being in a physical league for a few weeks.
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bannan had all of last season in the fizzy pop at Derby & Blackpool. That was the righjt mood to get him used to the physical side and playing in front of a crowd etc etc.
However bannan's and the fonz's loans this season are complete and utter bollocks
Bannan on the bench most of the time and the Fonz ghas just scored the one goal I think. Even if they had blinders in the fizzy pop it only proves they can do it in the fizzy pop.
They need to be used more in the first team squad or sold, as simple as that
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I said at the time that there was no point in Bannan going to Leeds if he wasn't going to get regular starts.
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On-loan Aston Villa striker Andreas Weimann expected to miss the rest of Watford's season
12:29pm Tuesday 26th April 2011
Austria Under-21 international Andreas Weimann is expected to miss the rest of the season after suffering a metatarsal injury in Watford’s 4-2 defeat to Leicester City.
On-loan Aston Villa striker Weimann went off after just 16 minutes yesterday and becomes the sixth Hornet currently sidelined through injury, which leaves Watford “down to bare bones” according to manager Malky Mackay.
Mackay said: “Andi rolled his foot and it looks like there is a problem with the metatarsal area on the outside of the foot.
"There is nothing we can really say on it until we get it scanned but it certainly looks like there is an area there that will keep him out for the next two weeks.
“It is obviously disappointing, especially off the back of the injuries to Ross Jenkins and Matty Whichelow in the last two weeks.
“To lose another one means we are absolutely down to bare bones and will need to fill our bench with youngsters and under-18s.”
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Frustrating season for Weimann bookended by the injury he suffered against his home team in Vienna, and the subsequent disgraceful behaviour of some of their supporters towards him and now this injury. Chin-up Andy.
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Bannan IMO will be getting good experience just being in a physical league for a few weeks.
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bannan had all of last season in the fizzy pop at Derby & Blackpool. That was the righjt mood to get him used to the physical side and playing in front of a crowd etc etc.
However bannan's and the fonz's loans this season are complete and utter bollocks
Bannan on the bench most of the time and the Fonz ghas just scored the one goal I think. Even if they had blinders in the fizzy pop it only proves they can do it in the fizzy pop.
They need to be used more in the first team squad or sold, as simple as that
Fonz is 19. He needs more time than that before we take a view. I have strong doubts, but his scoring record for Villa at least is pretty outstanding.
I think we have lots of players who are used to playing in dominant sides, against mediocre opposition, in the reserves. Bannan, Fonz and Clark all show signs of being knocked off the ball too easily. They're not really learning how to cope with that on the bench though.
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I'm still of the opinion Delfouneso will be a success.
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I know he's not on loan any more but it looks like Forrester is going at the end of the season. He's in talks with Barnsley apparently.
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regarding delfouneso, i dont think the loan has done him any favours, although playing out of position on the wing may help his overall game in the centre, but on the whole, chatting to burnley fans whose opinions i trust, they think he has bas of ability, but they dont think he is a winger (neither do i), and they dont think he is suited to long ball tactics (neither do i)...
At a risk of taking this wildly off topic this is why the club needs some stability from the managerial perspective. Ideally we'd be able to send our players to a select number of clubs who we know play football in a similar way.
I'd suggest this is where a dreaded Director of Football (mr Houllier?) could help. He'd dictate our football philosophy and align suitable feeder clubs. Then when our manager/head coach leaves every three years there would be some continuity.
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And our chief exec can't perform a similar role? An approach to become a 'feeder club' would have to come from upstairs anyway. We spend enough on wages without stretching our managerial budget with another big wage.
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regarding delfouneso, i dont think the loan has done him any favours, although playing out of position on the wing may help his overall game in the centre, but on the whole, chatting to burnley fans whose opinions i trust, they think he has bas of ability, but they dont think he is a winger (neither do i), and they dont think he is suited to long ball tactics (neither do i)...
At a risk of taking this wildly off topic this is why the club needs some stability from the managerial perspective. Ideally we'd be able to send our players to a select number of clubs who we know play football in a similar way.
I'd suggest this is where a dreaded Director of Football (mr Houllier?) could help. He'd dictate our football philosophy and align suitable feeder clubs. Then when our manager/head coach leaves every three years there would be some continuity.
regarding who we send our players to, i agree that we need to send them to clubs that play a specific way... i think that was the intention with burnley, as they have played the game on the deck, etc, but since they got involved in the pressure cooker of the playoffs, their manager, who in fairness is still learning the ropes himself, has reverted to hoofing it...
it is something that a select few burnley fans i have been speaking to are really annoyed about, and they are the ones that have said that they can see, like we did, glimpses of delfouneso's ability, however with the tactics and where he is being asked to play, it certainly isnt helping delfouneso's game...
although, we could look at it another way, he is learning other elements of the game that he wouldnt necessarily have appreciated, and hopefully, when he does go back to his correct position and the ball is played along the deck, he could have learned to adapt his movement to help the winger, or when the ball is flicked on from a high ball...
its all adding to his education at the moment, and i personally, still think there is a potentially top quality classic number 10 striker in him...
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We've recalled Bannan from Leeds.
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Why has he been recalled do we know ? - surely we still have the cover we had at the weekend I have not heard any of them have been injured ??
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Bazza must be in the squad for Saturday!
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Probably sick of Grayson keeping him on the bench while Leeds pick up the grand total of 1 point from 6.
They've only scored 2 goals in their last 3 games and both were set up by Bannan.
If they're not going to use him, take him back.
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We've recalled Bannan from Leeds.
Good. The fucking cheek of them benching him.
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Yep.
An element of this might be that McAllister is a big Bannan fan.
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Great news welcome back Bannanaman
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Lets hope Banana gets some game time in a proper league this weekend
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From Birmingham Mail
LOANED OUT Nathan Delfouneso has received a rave review from temporary boss Eddie Howe, despite scoring just once since moving to Burnley.
The Birmingham-born Aston Villa striker scored after just five minutes in his first game for Burnley - a 1-0 win over Hull - but has not netted since.
But that hasn't stopped Howe being full of praise for the 20-year-old.
He said: “I don’t think we’ve quite got the best out of him.
“Some players take longer to adjust when coming in than others.
“He’s had to get used to how we play and we’ve had to get used to the runs that he makes.
“There are signs that we’re beginning to get an understanding with him.
“He’s a fantastic lad with a great attitude and wants to do well.
“He’s an excellent player and has real potential. Hopefully with the remaining games it will click into gear.
“He can do a little bit of everything. He’s technically very good, he can receive the ball to his feet. He can also run in behind, he’s athletic and quick. But developing an understanding with the players around him is sometimes difficult and it takes time.”
Read More http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2011/04/28/aston-villa-s-nathan-delfouneso-wins-rave-reviews-from-loan-side-burnley-97319-28601476/#ixzz1Ku7OpIqR
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Bannan is in the squad for tomorrow.
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I can't believe we've got Ireland back already. And the bastard's still crocked!
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Who needs enemies when you've got friends like eddie howe !! That just sounds like a veiled kick in the bollocks for fonzy to me !
Get him back if they're going to play him on the Wing or bench him all the time !
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Lichaj has played from the start today. He's been okay.
Fonz just coming on.