Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Yeltzer on September 11, 2010, 03:44:50 PM
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On OS now. Due to quality issues in a small number of shirts, both the home and away shirts will not be on sale til mid November.
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Joint statement from Aston Villa and Nike:
Aston Villa and Nike regret that the home and away shirt for season 2010-11 on-sale dates have been delayed due to quality issues identified by Nike in a small percentage of the shirts that had already been manufactured.
Nike has been a committed partner of Aston Villa since 2007 and has invested heavily in the club during this time, and the high quality of the products and satisfaction of the fans is of the utmost importance.
Therefore a decision was made jointly by Aston Villa and Nike to set new on-sale dates for November 2010 for the home and away shirts.
We appreciate the inconvenience caused by these delays, which were outside of the club's control, and apologise sincerely to all Aston Villa fans.
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Oh dear, not good.
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This should now immediately be followed by a statement saying that due to the delays this shirt WILL be used next season as well.
I won't hold my breath.
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shocker. Very poor indeed. I liked the idea of Nike at the very start of all of this. While it's not all their fault because of shirt sponsor issues, this has been bad overall. We do so many things very welll, but this is pretty embarrassing for the club in every way.
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They should discount the kit, it will be out of date by the time we get it.
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The club should do a shirt and home match ticket for £40.. maybe for the Blackpool game ..
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This should now immediately be followed by a statement saying that due to the delays this shirt WILL be used next season as well.
I won't hold my breath.
Would be absolutely the right things to do. I bet the contract with Nike is for a new shirt each year. All in all very poor and symbolic of the way the season's gone so far.
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Agreed, should be used the following season too now. You will only get 5-6 months of wear out of it.
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Surely there must have been something in the contract about concessions from Nike if they couldn't deliver within a reasonable time scale? If not then whoever negotiated this wants shooting.
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I don't get it... it's the same dri-fit fabric they use on all football shirts made by Nike. I smell bullshit.
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Time to ditch Nike.
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Surely there must have been something in the contract about concessions from Nike if they couldn't deliver within a reasonable time scale? If not then whoever negotiated this wants shooting.
Absolutely this.
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Must be on the same boat as Gezza!
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There are two lines missing:
"In view of this disappointment and as a gesture to supporters, we will be offering a £20 discount when the shirts go on sale. This is still a considerable mark-up on the cost price, as produced in the sweat shop in Taiwan.
"Of course, this also presents a great opportunity for those fans looking for the ideal Christmas gift."
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on-sale dates for November 2010 for the home and away shirts.
Just in time for Xmas.
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"Of course, this also presents a great opportunity for those fans looking for the ideal Christmas gift."
It looks like they are aiming for the Christmas market now in my eyes as they have missed the start of the season holiday purchasing window as already mentioned.
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Wooopie, free names and numbers - pathetic.
Swap Nike for Puma Randy, do it now man - Nike are a shambles.
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What a fucking load of shit.
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I think after this shambles and several poor kit designs, maybe us and Nike should call time on the deal and we should look elsewhere for a shirt supplier.
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NOVEMBER! Fucking November!
September was bad enough. Simply unacceptable.
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The bookies are now taking bets on which will arrive first, the new shirts or Houllier!
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I've finally worked out how we can blame this on MON. It's because he used to buy late in the transfer market the club directors now think this is how all things should happen in Football. That's why we won't see our new manager in charge until 7 weeks after the old one walked out and we won't see the new shirt until 4 months after the season has started.
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"Of course, this also presents a great opportunity for those fans looking for the ideal Christmas gift."
It looks like they are aiming for the Christmas market now in my eyes as they have missed the start of the season holiday purchasing window as already mentioned.
Then perfectly timed for the January Sales market ::)
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What a shambles.
I'll bet FXPro are well pissed off as well.
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I'm speechless about this. I wonder if Manchester United and other major clubs supplied by Nike have been affected in this manner.
I seem to remember back around 1990 when Villa's shirts went from being made by Hummel to Umbro, the apparent reason was because Hummel had had a replica supply problem.
As said by someone else, maybe its time that Nike are given the push.
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What a shambles.
I'll bet FXPro are well pissed off as well.
The sponsors pay for the appearance on players shirts on TV and in newspapers more then they pay for for us normal plebs to wear them.
Slightly off topic but didn't a newspaper get pissed off with a football club once and airbrushed the sponsor out of the pictures it printed?
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Bloody hell, what on earth are they doing at VP? We're doing a good impression of being run by a bunch of clueless numpties at the moment.
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I was a bit concerned when I saw the headline "Official Statement", then when I saw it was only about the shirt I was very relieved.
Bad for revenue I suppose.
Get Adidas in next time.
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Haha, our club is such a fucking mess. If it wasn't so funny, it'd be sad.
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Bloody hell, what on earth are they doing at VP? We're doing a good impression of being run by a bunch of clueless numpties at the moment.
How does a shirt being badly made come down to being the club's fault?
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The bookies are now taking bets on which will arrive first, the new shirts or Houllier!
Very good.
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Come on Dave, its like a butcher not selling meat. You have to accept some things aint right at villa at the mo and the buck stops with the club and owners. Shirts not available until November is a complete joke.
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How does a shirt being badly made come down to being the club's fault?
Well of course it isn't as such, but you must agree that this is a bit of a fiasco.
And now the shirt will only be able to be worn for at most six months of the season, and then, no doubt, they'll expect you all to buy another new one next season.
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Bloody hell, what on earth are they doing at VP? We're doing a good impression of being run by a bunch of clueless numpties at the moment.
How does a shirt being badly made come down to being the club's fault?
They appointed Nike, and then took ages finding a sponsor. In a large organization you take responsibility for your actions. The club is responsible for getting a kit out for sale, and they've failed to so so. Is anything their fault in your eyes?
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Bloody hell, what on earth are they doing at VP? We're doing a good impression of being run by a bunch of clueless numpties at the moment.
How does a shirt being badly made come down to being the club's fault?
They appointed Nike, and then took ages finding a sponsor. In a large organization you take responsibility for your actions. The club is responsible for getting a kit out for sale, and they've failed to so so. Is anything their fault in your eyes?
When it is, yes. When it's someone else's fault, no. Is anything not their fault in your eyes?
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Bloody hell, what on earth are they doing at VP? We're doing a good impression of being run by a bunch of clueless numpties at the moment.
How does a shirt being badly made come down to being the club's fault?
It is not the first or second time that we have had delayed kits in the fours years we have had Nike. And we seem to be the only ones that this seems to happen to.
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The trouble is Dave, regardless of whose fault it actually is, the club will get the flak. It will take some good PR to get them coming out of this smelling of anything other than cow pat!
Free lettering won't cut it I don't think.
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Bloody hell, what on earth are they doing at VP? We're doing a good impression of being run by a bunch of clueless numpties at the moment.
How does a shirt being badly made come down to being the club's fault?
It is not the first or second time that we have had delayed kits in the fours years we have had Nike. And we seem to be the only ones that this seems to happen to.
That being the case, why is it only now that it's the worst thing ever?
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Bloody hell, what on earth are they doing at VP? We're doing a good impression of being run by a bunch of clueless numpties at the moment.
How does a shirt being badly made come down to being the club's fault?
It is not the first or second time that we have had delayed kits in the fours years we have had Nike. And we seem to be the only ones that this seems to happen to.
That being the case, why is it only now that it's the worst thing ever?
Because it is the worst delay ever?
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Oh its Nikes fault then, lets move on and accept it. Common theme at Villa at the mo. We better not tell the General were not happy either as he will get the hump. Football home shirts available in November, a complete joke.
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Because it is the worst delay ever?
Maybe, but in that case why not aim the abuse at Nike, whose fault it primarily is, rather than the club, whose role is at best secondary?
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Because it is the worst delay ever?
Maybe, but in that case why not aim the abuse at Nike, whose fault it primarily is, rather than the club, whose role is at best secondary?
I don't think either come out of it well.
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IT HAS GOT to be a 2 year shirt now.
The continual changing every season is taking the piss...
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IT HAS GOT to be a 2 year shirt now.
The continual changing every season is taking the piss...
That's something I do agree is a pisstake.
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Because it is the worst delay ever?
Maybe, but in that case why not aim the abuse at Nike, whose fault it primarily is, rather than the club, whose role is at best secondary?
It is Nikes fault that there is now an exceptional delay. It is the clubs fault that there was an original delay by not annoucing the sponsors earlier and still relying on Nike even after problems the first few years. Don't forget we have had two years to find acceptable sponsors yet we find oner only at a time that stops Nike launching a kit late July or early August like the other teams they supply even though at least one of their teams changed sponsors in that time period.
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Because it is the worst delay ever?
Maybe, but in that case why not aim the abuse at Nike, whose fault it primarily is, rather than the club, whose role is at best secondary?
The club should have a contract with Nike with an SLA attached, an SLA linked to delivery T's and C's.
I bet it hasn't though.
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We'd be more right to complain if we paid £49 for a shirt which disintegrated like Heskey in the penalty area after one wash. It's embarrassing but at least they're not trying to pull the wool (or poly-cotton fibre) over our eyes.
I'm not buying another one anyway, I've got plenty. I'm too old and too fat; they're too expensive.
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Bloody hell, what on earth are they doing at VP? We're doing a good impression of being run by a bunch of clueless numpties at the moment.
How does a shirt being badly made come down to being the club's fault?
They appointed Nike, and then took ages finding a sponsor. In a large organization you take responsibility for your actions. The club is responsible for getting a kit out for sale, and they've failed to so so. Is anything their fault in your eyes?
When it is, yes. When it's someone else's fault, no. Is anything not their fault in your eyes?
I'm still mostly happy with Lerner, but when we don't yet have a date for either our new manager to actually start work, or a date other than sometime near to Christmas for a new kit, I think it's fair to criticise them.
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Bloody hell, what on earth are they doing at VP? We're doing a good impression of being run by a bunch of clueless numpties at the moment.
How does a shirt being badly made come down to being the club's fault?
It is not the first or second time that we have had delayed kits in the fours years we have had Nike. And we seem to be the only ones that this seems to happen to.
We seem to have an excuse for it every single season.
First because we moved to Nike, then because of Acorns, I can't remember what excuse for last season, but I bet it was shit, and now this. It's like the start of the footballing season takes the club by surprise.
Say what you like about Ellis, but at least the kits came on time.
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I bet it's not going to be a 2 year shirt.
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Quite simply, we must now:
1. Keep these kits for two years
2. Negotiate a change of kit supplier for the season after next and have them lined up ready for sale in June
As others have said, can you imagine Nike dicking Man U or Arsenal about like this? Me neither.
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I wasn't able to view the full announcement at work, so I've only just read that they intend to charge us £50 for it, the jolly japes this club plays. Maybe they'd like us to bend over at the same time.
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Fear not, they already have the design for next season's kit ready to go! ;-)
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As a club we are starting to look very smalltime. If this was happening at the sty we would be laughing at them. Pathetic.
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What is all the fuss about regarding the kit?
If we have a new one out next season it probably won't come out until Christmas anyway - thus meaning you'll still get your 12 months worth of shirt. ;-)
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This is gutting, I was planning to get one for my birthday, but now I just won't bother, the club was already offering free number and name for the september release, charging £45 is just disgraceful
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It's downright unacceptable. Not only that but then to charge so much and then to change it for the next season giving about 7 months of wear from it.
The clubs fault or not (and I'd expect that Nike what with having been at the sportskit making lark for years might have been professional enough to avoid it) it is pretty much unprecedented. Out of curiosity I wonder if this has happened to another club before? Four or five months late? The least that should be expected is they decide to let it last two seasons or provide a large discount. It really is a pisstake.
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Dave cooper is totally right- I've pre odrered the shirt and now it's November it should also be next seasons shirt!
Nike seem to put other so called bigger clubs as a priority to us , and I will be glad to see the contract ended and get back to someone more reliable , we always seem to be last to get our shirt release date.
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I completely forgot that some folk have pre-ordered.
I feel for those that have, they should recieve a home and away shirt for the price of one shirt at the cost of Nike and not Aston Villa
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I completely forgot that some folk have pre-ordered.
I feel for those that have, they should recieve a home and away shirt for the price of one shirt at the cost of Nike and not Aston Villa
Perhaps they should just cancel their orders. And then tell them why.
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The supply contract the club has with Nike must surely have a 'deliver by' clause in it and the non delivery must enable the club to trigger the termination of the contract for next season to be replaced by another supplier who is starting a new relationship with the club and as such would be eager to please its new client ( AVFC) - however were way too mamby pamby to do this and will let Nike walk all over us and that, I'm afraid is typical of our club - were a soft touch.
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Shambles - more revenue lost when we need it the most. This on top of the europa exit.
Piss poor in my opinion.
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The supply contract the club has with Nike must surely have a 'deliver by' clause in it and the non delivery must enable the club to trigger the termination of the contract for next season to be replaced by another supplier who is starting a new relationship with the club and as such would be eager to please its new client ( AVFC) - however were way too mamby pamby to do this and will let Nike walk all over us and that, I'm afraid is typical of our club - were a soft touch.
Let's hope we don't end the contract, or we'll wait until next August before signing another one, and have another fucking excuse.
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The supply contract the club has with Nike must surely have a 'deliver by' clause in it and the non delivery must enable the club to trigger the termination of the contract for next season to be replaced by another supplier who is starting a new relationship with the club and as such would be eager to please its new client ( AVFC) - however were way too mamby pamby to do this and will let Nike walk all over us and that, I'm afraid is typical of our club - were a soft touch.
And your evidence is?
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What a load of bollocks, I was going to get both but not now, Not unless we will be keeping both shirts next season its just not worth it!!!
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The supply contract the club has with Nike must surely have a 'deliver by' clause in it and the non delivery must enable the club to trigger the termination of the contract for next season to be replaced by another supplier who is starting a new relationship with the club and as such would be eager to please its new client ( AVFC) - however were way too mamby pamby to do this and will let Nike walk all over us and that, I'm afraid is typical of our club - were a soft touch.
And your evidence is?
This is the second delay, and the club blamed Nike for the first one.
We must be losing a significant amount of revenue and credibility, something Nike should be apologising for, not the club.
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Totally Nike's fault, and you would hope that the relevant people at the club are commercially astute enough to have the sort of clauses in the contract to deal with problems like this.
That said I think that the quality of the Nike products over the past few years has been very poor.
Time for a change of supplier. We will always be an also-ran in the Nike stakes, let's move to an organisation that will value our "brand" and produce quality products in a timely manner.
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Just Do it ! (in November) :-[
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The supply contract the club has with Nike must surely have a 'deliver by' clause in it and the non delivery must enable the club to trigger the termination of the contract for next season to be replaced by another supplier who is starting a new relationship with the club and as such would be eager to please its new client ( AVFC) - however were way too mamby pamby to do this and will let Nike walk all over us and that, I'm afraid is typical of our club - were a soft touch.
And your evidence is?
This is the second delay, and the club blamed Nike for the first one.
We must be losing a significant amount of revenue and credibility, something Nike should be apologising for, not the club.
Right. So we'll ignore all the praise the club's had for its on- and off-field business deals over the past four years shall we?
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John Greenfield should have someone at Nike's nuts in a vice-grip over this.
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I don't like the kits so wouldn't want them to be kept for two years but agree they should be discounted significantly.
I think the fit of this year's kit is poor, especially the collar. We should consider moving to a new manufacturer.
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The supply contract the club has with Nike must surely have a 'deliver by' clause in it and the non delivery must enable the club to trigger the termination of the contract for next season to be replaced by another supplier who is starting a new relationship with the club and as such would be eager to please its new client ( AVFC) - however were way too mamby pamby to do this and will let Nike walk all over us and that, I'm afraid is typical of our club - were a soft touch.
And your evidence is?
This is the second delay, and the club blamed Nike for the first one.
We must be losing a significant amount of revenue and credibility, something Nike should be apologising for, not the club.
Right. So we'll ignore all the praise the club's had for its on- and off-field business deals over the past four years shall we?
I don't follow that.
Why does criticising one thing they do mean you're ignoring all the other praise they've had?
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We're not allowed to slag MON off because he got us to a cup final.
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As a club we are starting to look very smalltime. If this was happening at the sty we would be laughing at them. Pathetic.
I think from a converstion in the office last week that there are no shirts available at the sty for their supporters either-something to do with switching the suppliers to a Chinese firm
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How very embarrassing. Massive launch to unveil them in August but not on sale until November.
Its a pretty poor shirt as well IMO. Nice to keep the traditional claret body and blue arms but haven't been impressed with the quality of the shirts Nike have produced - not much better than Hummel. Would sooner have Adidas or Puma.
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Already stated the facts of today re free printing and price freeze for the original delay, so todays message still the same compensation for a worse message, not on.
Should be a 2 year one now but imagine having frre printing of a squad player in November and potentially 5 weeks later in January, Houllier ships him out, and stuck with that name if we kept kit for a second year, i just dont know how thay are going to get around this with some decent goodwill
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I don't follow that.
Why does criticising one thing they do mean you're ignoring all the other praise they've had?
There's a world of difference between criticising them for one thing they're party to blame for and "typical of our club - we're a soft touch" when it isn't and they're anything but.
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It doesn't bother me as I don't wear replica shirts,but my 9 year old son has been watching his chelski and redscouse mates wearing their new jerseys at footy practice since June, so now his birthday present (also June) will not be available until November. There will be a lot of disappointed kids, not a great way to build up your fan base!
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Nike - Just Do One
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Bloody hell, what on earth are they doing at VP? We're doing a good impression of being run by a bunch of clueless numpties at the moment.
How does a shirt being badly made come down to being the club's fault?
They appointed Nike, and then took ages finding a sponsor. In a large organization you take responsibility for your actions. The club is responsible for getting a kit out for sale, and they've failed to so so. Is anything their fault in your eyes?
Agree with Risso on this one. If I don't deliver to a Client it is my fault. The buck stops with me. If it is due to a sub-contractor, it's still my problem. I contracted them.
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I don't follow that.
Why does criticising one thing they do mean you're ignoring all the other praise they've had?
There's a world of difference between criticising them for one thing they're party to blame for and "typical of our club - we're a soft touch" when it isn't and they're anything but.
To be honest, where Nike are concerned, there's growing evidence we are a soft touch. It's not the first time the shirts have been late.
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Nike - Just Do One
This.
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Nike - Just Do One
This.
Calling Leighton, calling Leighton - banner! now!
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Nike - Just Do One
Very good.
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It's farcical. The club are selling it for the same price as last season and trying to show it as a good deal as it's a fiver less than the RRP for this season. The printing 'deal' is a red herring too.
The club should at the very least announce officially the lifespan of this kit so that supporters are making an informed decision. Wherever the fault is, the fans are being ripped off. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this was known about weeks ago but the club delayed announcing it until the manager was announced as coming.
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2 things if the kit is made in Pakistan then I
can understand the delay,and if the kit is only being used for 1 season,then we should get the away kit free with the home.Bet we don't.
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Unbelievable. It's not the first time Nike have done this and yes, I could not see them doing it to ManUre or Arsenal.
And no matter who's fault this is, the club will face the flack. And with the fiasco surrounding the Houllier appointment not a good time to announce this.
So what are they going to do to make this right?
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If I was FX Pro, I would not be happy that our logos were not walking adverts by now. If there was any contarct penalties for failure to promote the FX Pro brand, then I hope Nike is liable.
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The supply contract the club has with Nike must surely have a 'deliver by' clause in it and the non delivery must enable the club to trigger the termination of the contract for next season to be replaced by another supplier who is starting a new relationship with the club and as such would be eager to please its new client ( AVFC) - however were way too mamby pamby to do this and will let Nike walk all over us and that, I'm afraid is typical of our club - were a soft touch.
And your evidence is?
This is the second delay, and the club blamed Nike for the first one.
We must be losing a significant amount of revenue and credibility, something Nike should be apologising for, not the club.
Right. So we'll ignore all the praise the club's had for its on- and off-field business deals over the past four years shall we?
I think it's because they've been so good that the events of this summer have been such a let down.
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Utter, utter incomptence by all concerned.
Just buy retro shirts people, much more stylish, no sponsers, and they don't date.
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I am opposed to the changing of the shirts every year but on the whole i think the Nike shirts in both design and material have been terrific but if ever there was a shirt that this should have happened to then its this seasons, i hate the lack of colour round the collar and the lazy design. Its crazy to think they wont be available til around Xmas but i dont necessarily blame the club itself for this, its Nike's fault more than anything. I do think the club itself could do more to make amends though because as people have said already the shirt will only be worn for another 4-5 months after its released - unless you're a sad case like me whos still wearing it twenty years later!
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If it's only a small percentage of shirts then why can't they sell the ones that aren't shite?
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It's a quality control thing by Nike. How can it be Villa's fault? Another excuse for idiots to display their ignorance. Just show some balls and come out with it and say you want different owners. It's getting very juvenile here. Poo bum willy.
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It's a quality control thing by Nike. How can it be Villa's fault? Another excuse for idiots to display their ignorance. Just show some balls and come out with it and say you want different owners. It's getting very juvenile here. Poo bum willy.
Could you kindly argue without calling other people idiots please.
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It's a quality control thing by Nike. How can it be Villa's fault? Another excuse for idiots to display their ignorance. Just show some balls and come out with it and say you want different owners. It's getting very juvenile here. Poo bum willy.
Well Man United's home kit is already out, while their away kit is out next week.
http://store.manutd.com/stores/manutd/default.aspx?portal=NGUMQ2O3
Meanwhile, Arsenal's kits were out in July.
http://onlinestore.arsenal.com/icat/replicakit
So tell me who the poor relation is in all this? I don't see anyone asking for alternative owners.
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The thing is, Nike made good kits. They're the biggest and best sports brand in the world and it's good for our image to be associated with them.
On the other hand this is a complete joke.
It's a fine balancing act, but Nike are certainly making us feel inadequate, so fuck them.
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It's a quality control thing by Nike. How can it be Villa's fault? Another excuse for idiots to display their ignorance. Just show some balls and come out with it and say you want different owners. It's getting very juvenile here. Poo bum willy.
I'm sorry, but what utter garbage. Twisting a legitimate debate to suit your own agenda. Calling people idiots? Tell me again, who's being juvenile?
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Nike - Just Do One
Very good.
*steals for facebook*
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What is poor service is that I phoned up Villa Direct this morning (around 11:00) to confirm that if I ordered today it would be here on the 16th.
I did ask about the rumours of a delay but these where flatly denied.
My boy is 6 on Friday and so far has 5 shirts - looks like his 6th will be late.
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If I was FX Pro, I would not be happy that our logos were not walking adverts by now. If there was any contarct penalties for failure to promote the FX Pro brand, then I hope Nike is liable.
That occurred to me as well.
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It's a quality control thing by Nike. How can it be Villa's fault? Another excuse for idiots to display their ignorance. Just show some balls and come out with it and say you want different owners. It's getting very juvenile here. Poo bum willy.
I'm sorry, but what utter garbage. Twisting a legitimate debate to suit your own agenda. Calling people idiots? Tell me again, who's being juvenile?
Nike fucked up. Not Villa. No agenda. Rain, Sun or whatever falls in-between, I find the agonising over shirts rather silly.
I'd be pissed off if I was a local retailer though. Can't be good for local sport shop economy.
Idiots? Yes. Feel free to call me the same.
Juvenile? Yes I am and I love it. Piercing self-important pompous idiots with my own childish idiocy helps me.
If just 1.% of all football fans took their outrage over ephemeral into the sociology-political world might be done.
Poo bum willy
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It's a quality control thing by Nike. How can it be Villa's fault? Another excuse for idiots to display their ignorance. Just show some balls and come out with it and say you want different owners. It's getting very juvenile here. Poo bum willy.
I'm sorry, but what utter garbage. Twisting a legitimate debate to suit your own agenda. Calling people idiots? Tell me again, who's being juvenile?
Nike fucked up. Not Villa. No agenda. Rain, Sun or whatever falls in-between, I find the agonising over shirts rather silly.
I'd be pissed off if I was a local retailer though. Can't be good for local sport shop economy.
Idiots? Yes. Feel free to call me the same.
Juvenile? Yes I am and I love it. Piercing self-important pompous idiots with my own childish idiocy helps me.
If just 1.% of all football fans took their outrage over ephemeral into the sociology-political world might be done.
Poo bum willy
It's hardly agonising.
Personally, I don't buy them (too old, fat, tasteful and broke), but I understand why people want them, and why they're so important revenue-wise to the club.
I also love the board.
It's really pompous (your word) to suggest people are only moaning about it because they can't bring themselves to say they want new owners. And juvenile (another one of your words). Perhaps they just want to buy the shirt?
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Come on small rodent, nobody is calling for new owners over this but people have a right to not be happy about the shirt issue- I think the departure of Steve stride was quite sad as I'm sure he could have added a lot of experience to randy's team , but this is a Nike issue not villas fault in this case.
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We'd be more right to complain if we paid £49 for a shirt which disintegrated like Heskey in the penalty area after one wash. It's embarrassing but at least they're not trying to pull the wool (or poly-cotton fibre) over our eyes.
I'm not buying another one anyway, I've got plenty. I'm too old and too fat; they're too expensive.
They were field tested at Newcastle and fell apart!!!!!
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The club should do a shirt and home match ticket for £40.. maybe for the Blackpool game ..
what about season ticket holders ?? ha ha
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Get your replica kit in November; see them for sale half price in April heralding the arrival of yet another kit change for 2011-12. In other words, £40+ for six-months wear.
As has been said: buy a retro shirt.
And has also been said, kick Nike into touch. They're treating us as second-class schmucks. Amazing that the arrival of Man Utd and Arsenals new kits aren't affected by production delays. Nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Nike pay those clubs far more for the privilege than they do us, and they need to shift much greater quantities as a consequence.
Unless we really are getting the best commercial deal possible, I don't necessarily buy into the power of the Nike brand argument. Buyers of replica strips will buy them regardless of the manufacturer. I don't know who Macron are, but West Ham's kit is stylish - and more to the point, available to buy.
Just don't bring back Henson...
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It fair makes you pine for the days when the black away kit couldn't be worn by the team but was available to buy.
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Bukta !
Rememeber them ? ;D
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Apparently, Xtep are the next big sporting brand...
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Apparently, Xtep are the next big sporting brand...
I think not, they wear that shyte at the sty.
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the club needs to do something to make this years shirts appealling and worth it, this pathetic "good will gesture" of keeping the prices at £45 is a disgrace. even paying the £35 at soccer sports will be pointless for 6 months wear
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Apparently, Xtep are the next big sporting brand...
I think not, they wear that shyte at the sty.
Do they really? Well, well, well, I never knew that...
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Bukta !
Rememeber them ? ;D
Thanks for that Peter Kay.
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the club needs to do something to make this years shirts appealling and worth it, this pathetic "good will gesture" of keeping the prices at £45 is a disgrace. even paying the £35 at soccer sports will be pointless for 6 months wear
I agree
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Bukta !
Rememeber them ? ;D
Thanks for that Peter Kay.
Sodastream? SODASTREAM???
What were that all about?
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Bukta !
Rememeber them ? ;D
Thanks for that Peter Kay.
Sodastream? SODASTREAM???
What were that all about?
Ha ha
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Won't be buying the kids one, not now, had they been released at start of season then fine, but think the 'gesture' from the club to retain last years price and free name & number printing is poor. Price should be dropped considerably, either that or issue statement that shirts will be retained for the following season too, then I might reconsider.
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Trouble with price is that it's set by Nike. We probably can't drop the price by more than what Nike say so.
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the club needs to do something to make this years shirts appealling and worth it, this pathetic "good will gesture" of keeping the prices at £45 is a disgrace. even paying the £35 at soccer sports will be pointless for 6 months wear
They should bring out a special limited retro edition of the pinky/purple shirt for the ever increasing number of drama queens.
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the club needs to do something to make this years shirts appealling and worth it, this pathetic "good will gesture" of keeping the prices at £45 is a disgrace. even paying the £35 at soccer sports will be pointless for 6 months wear
They should bring out a special limited retro edition of the pinky/purple shirt for the ever increasing number of drama queens.
it's a poor situation, but the answer before this and after this is the same. Don't buy it. Poor sales will have a greater impact to those at Nike and the club than any level of whining in my opinion.
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Does the quality issue have anything to do with the fact that it's being made from recycled plastic? I recall that Nike kits are now made from polyester spun from old plastic bottles. All the WC teams that wore Nike were being manufactured in the same way and I guess United, Barca et al are the same. I know that's not the issue being discussed but I wondered if that was anything to do with it.
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So correct me if I'm wrong, but are you suggesting, curiousorange, things might actually be better with a lack of bottle?
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Do people really throw shirts away after 6 months? I still wearing a shirt with NTL on it. It's a bit tight these days mind.
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I still wearing a shirt with NTL on it.
That should go down well with the drama queens, as 'vintage' is very much in fashion. Don't think about wearing the Acorns shirt though, apparently "it's soooooooooooooo last season".
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Hi,
I'd like to apologise for my insulting post on Saturday evening; to the posters and to the moderators for having to deal with it and giving me a 24 hour cooling-off period.
No excuses; alcohol was involved, but I was in a very good mood and it's not even a subject I'm impassioned about. So I don't know where that came from! I obviously have been paying no attention to my own signature.
Once again, I apologise for being rude and will fully understand if, in the future, my posts are not given much credibility. Although, that already may be the case...
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Trouble with price is that it's set by Nike. We probably can't drop the price by more than what Nike say so.
Nike fuck up the order and then Nike say Villa can't drop the price to placate their customers!
If this is the case and there are no clauses in the contract for late delivery due to poor manufacturing then you get the feeling that whoever negotiated on behalf of the club was somewhat walked all over!
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Whilst the idea of getting on board with Nike would no doubt have been exciting, I doubt if it was just signed off on without a good business/legal pair of eyes looking over it.
Still, Nike seem to be a bunch of pricks!
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Whole shirt thingy is poor this season anyway. From the fact ours is an old template ....to can't buy the bloody thing until almost end of year .
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the club needs to do something to make this years shirts appealling and worth it, this pathetic "good will gesture" of keeping the prices at £45 is a disgrace. even paying the £35 at soccer sports will be pointless for 6 months wear
They should bring out a special limited retro edition of the pinky/purple shirt for the ever increasing number of drama queens.
it's a poor situation, but the answer before this and after this is the same. Don't buy it. Poor sales will have a greater impact to those at Nike and the club than any level of whining in my opinion.
Wise words. I might have been tempted when the price came down a bit despite my lack of fondness for the design but now I'm sticking with what I have.
Buy a retro shirt instead as has been said a few times.
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Trouble with price is that it's set by Nike. We probably can't drop the price by more than what Nike say so.
Nike fuck up the order and then Nike say Villa can't drop the price to placate their customers!
If this is the case and there are no clauses in the contract for late delivery due to poor manufacturing then you get the feeling that whoever negotiated on behalf of the club was somewhat walked all over!
Not quite, Dave. It would appear the club received compensation from Nike for the late delivery, lost sales.
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Hi,
I'd like to apologise for my insulting post on Saturday evening; to the posters and to the moderators for having to deal with it and giving me a 24 hour cooling-off period.
No excuses; alcohol was involved, but I was in a very good mood and it's not even a subject I'm impassioned about. So I don't know where that came from! I obviously have been paying no attention to my own signature.
Don't worry about it.
We all do the booze / internet / rant thing from time to time.
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I'm in agreement with those who think Nike should be given the boot (I refuse to pronounce it to rhyme with spiky, as well- I love cycling but I've never rode a bikey) as soon as their contract is up. I refuse to believe that anyone buys or refuses to buy a shirt because of the manufacturer alone- it's the design that matters. Which is a shame because I think this season's design is the worst Nike have done for us. However, shirt revenue is a significant part of any team's income nowadays, so a shift to a supplier that can get the gear in the shops before the season is needed. Reebok, Diadora and Hummel managed it.
On the plus side though, shots of Villa supporters in the stands on TV will still still feature the word "Acorns" in vast numbers. No bad thing.
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I'd not heard about this. I can't say I care to be honest, but maybe they're delaying them because everybody knows that the new shirt looks a little bit shit?
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Someone in the Villa commercial dept WILL know if the shirt is to be used next season or not!
That would have been definite article in the contract as costs per shirt would had to of been worked out when the contract was signed [cost to originate new design etc...]
So I would imagine that due to the silence about this issue [the 2 year shirt] then the shirt will be changed next season and the club are reticent about informing us of this due to the fact that many will choose not buy this shirt but to wait for the new one.
I might be wrong [and I hope to be proved so] but I don't think so
Mark
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I just been looking online to see what I can buy instead, I must admit most of the Villa wear is shit this season, there are a couple of collared T shirts but that's it really
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I just been looking online to see what I can buy instead, I must admit most of the Villa wear is shit this season, there are a couple of collared T shirts but that's it really
The retro shirt "range" is limited as well.......no 1971 replica for a start..........
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Would really like us to have an Adidas kit for the first time.
If not then Umbro or Puma wouldn't be too bad.
Hope we dont go back down the cheap and tacky route with no mark manufacturers (see Small Heath, West Ham this season..)
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I don't understand why Villa don't just sack Nike and get a deal with Umbro
Umbro are making all the best kits this season and they could reissue the old classic Umbro Villa kits that all the fat blokes on here like to wear.... I mean all the blokes "of a certain age" on here like to wear.
Everyone would be happy, the new kits and the retro kits would fly off the shelves, cash tills ringing, everyone's a winner, every egg a bird...
Am I missing something really obvious here?
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I don't understand why Villa don't just sack Nike and get a deal with Umbro
Umbro are making all the best kits this season and they could reissue the old classic Umbro Villa kits that all the fat blokes on here like to wear.... I mean all the blokes "of a certain age" on here like to wear.
Everyone would be happy, the new kits and the retro kits would fly off the shelves, cash tills ringing, everyone's a winner, every egg a bird...
Am I missing something really obvious here?
Have to agree. Really like the Umbro Man City away shirt with the red/black diagnal stripe. Much classier than most Nike efforts.
And I'm of the age/size who doesn't buy replica shirts anymore! (Polos and Retros only for me now)
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No , please not umbro ,
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Nike bought out Umbro about 3 years ago
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Nike bought out Umbro about 3 years ago
Makes no diference. Adidas own Reebok
And when we were wearing Le Coq Sportif in 1982, they were a subsidiary of Adidas
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I don't understand why Villa don't just sack Nike and get a deal with Umbro
Umbro are making all the best kits this season and they could reissue the old classic Umbro Villa kits that all the fat blokes on here like to wear.... I mean all the blokes "of a certain age" on here like to wear.
Everyone would be happy, the new kits and the retro kits would fly off the shelves, cash tills ringing, everyone's a winner, every egg a bird...
Am I missing something really obvious here?
Cheeky fecker........your right though...
retro, retro, retro...the only way to go.
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Nike bought out Umbro about 3 years ago
Makes no diference. Adidas own Reebok
And when we were wearing Le Coq Sportif in 1982, they were a subsidiary of Adidas
Well if Villa sack Nike then Umbro wont deal with Villa will they
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Although the General says Villa has another year left of the Nike contract, surely they've broken the contract by lack of delivery.
I'd sack then asap and bring in Adidas or Puma, and if the contract allows, do it now.
Nike are the 'Billy big bollocks' of football and need someone to knock them down a peg or two.
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I've heard the quality of Pumas gear is very poor.
I don't see why it has to be a big name. As long as the look and quality are good enough then it's fine.
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Well if Villa sack Nike then Umbro wont deal with Villa will they
That's a point, I suppose.
Anything but Puma though, their kits are a disgrace at the moment.
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Re. Puma, haven't seen one close up, but they look OK.
Adidas have always made decent shirts.
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I don't see the fascination with the likes of Adidas.
What is the craic with these kit deals anyway? Do Villa pay the supplier or vice-versa?
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They pay the club.
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so basically, we've had people say the Nike ones are sub standard, so are the Puma ones, and some people don't like Adidas or Umbro. They are pretty much the big players in the football kit industry. It pretty much suggests it really doesn't matter who it is. The important thing is they get out on time for those who feel the need to buy one. It doesn't matter who makes it.
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After tonight's match v Stoke...the club can keep them and use them in the new year when the bog roll supplier fails to deliver!37 YEARS FOLLOWING THIS LOT AND STILL NOTHING SURPISES ME..ALWAYS GOOD FOR A LAUGH.
I TAUGHT I WAS BIPOLAR BUT THE DOC SAID IT WAS VILLA!
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I saw one yesterday in Southlands Mall, Melbourne in Rebel Sports they had three, all $139.95 AUD all without the logo on. Check it out. They had made in Sri Lanka on them and they all had proper Nike tags on. Also apparently Rebel Sports is a reputable shop chain over here and does not carry fakes. They also had Chelsea, Everton, Spurs, Liverpool and Man Utd tops to. Nice we are carried abroad I suppose.
(http://gallery.me.com/gabster2007/100056/messagepart/web.jpg?ver=12847743980001)
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For those of you who want it in English money that is about £75 for the shirt!
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'tis why I only have one if the old man brings one back from Blighty. Horrendously over-priced!