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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: not3bad on September 01, 2010, 11:20:46 AM
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Tom Ross column: Is the BBC biased against West Midlands football clubs on Match of the Day?
IS IT me or is BBC’s Match of The Day biased against West Midland clubs?
I have always enjoyed MOTD yet lately have become disillusioned because Villa, Wolves, Blues and West Brom are invariably last on and for just a few minutes.
This only seems to change if one of our clubs is playing one of the so-called big four or five clubs or a London team.
Just two weeks ago they even showed Stoke’s home game ahead of Blues v Blackburn, West Brom against Sunderland or Wolves’ game at Everton.
I couldn’t understand it until I realised Stoke were playing Spurs.
You might think I am being paranoid but every London club was on first followed by the West Midland clubs.
Last Saturday I was at Molineux for the game against Newcastle and spoke to the MOTD people at the game, asking them why this was so.
All they could say was that Wolves were scheduled to be on last that night as well. I was amazed they had decided that before the games had kicked off.
There is no doubt the BBC producers are most excited about London clubs and the two Manchester teams.
Sunday’s MOTD 2 was worse with the presenter patronising the rest of the country by admitting they receive a lot of complaints and then pulling the games out of a paper bag to decide the order in which they would be shown.
You might say that at least he was being fair. Now that just might have been true until you realised that Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester United were not playing.
If they had been, they would without question have been on first and we would have been spared his smarmy and sickeningly patronising attitude.
There should be a fairer way of showing the games with all teams getting a fair crack of the whip.
Sadly, I don’t believe the BBC MOTD producers care.
Link to Source (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2010/09/01/tom-ross-column-is-the-bbc-biased-against-west-midlands-football-clubs-on-match-of-the-day-97319-27176692/?")
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This obsession that people seem to have with the London media being biased against anything to do with Birmingham does my head in. Ron Toss is the most paranoid of the lot.
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On MOTD2 Colin Murray had the guests pull the matches out of a brown paper bag to decide the order. Villa were second, Liverpool were last.
So I think they are getting used to this kind of criticism.
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The irony being the MOTD Producer is a Villa fan.
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Clearly if there were any justice in the world Tom Ross would be diced up and used as crab bait. But that's life, life isn't fair.
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If it was up to Toss he'd have Carl Chinn presenting a primetime chat show on BBC1 interviewing only people from the West Midlands.
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He does have a point, but then I've become so used to it it just doesn't bother me anymore.
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On MOTD2 Colin Murray had the guests pull the matches out of a brown paper bag to decide the order. Villa were second, Liverpool were last.
Which shows them to be patronising tossers of the most intricate weave.
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I have to say that I throughly enjoyed MOTD last weekend. It was like a throwback to watching it as a kid. Opened up with Tottenham 0 Wigan 1 which i hoped had all the ingredients that would appeal to me. Mostly the home team attacking and then the lesser fancied away team sneak it. In all honesty I don't like the editing now, but it was almost there. Then, it was followed up by Blackpool 2 Fulham 2. Great atmosphere, great game (thanks to some decent editing!). It was enjopyable to not have most of the programme taken up by Chelsea and Man U. blackburn - Arsenal was decent to watch also, and then a good old fashioned English type blood and thunder (c English media) Wolves 1 Newcastle 1.
I think what made these games enjoyable was that we were allowed to see the highlights and not just the goals fed around an hour of the top teams.
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I like Colin Murray's Sunday MOTD2, and the draw they made to decide on viewing order.
Tom Ross will be paranoid, he's a Bluenose, it's inherent.
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Maybe if the area became more successful we wouldn't think this way. Outside of one or two high points, collectively the area has won next to nothing in the last 20 years. So combine being unfashionable from a media standpoint to lack of success, why would MOTD concentrate any more time on us than they do? We're really not that relevant.
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Maybe if the area became more successful we wouldn't think this way. Outside of one or two high points, collectively the area has won next to nothing in the last 20 years. So combine being unfashionable from a media standpoint to lack of success, why would MOTD concentrate any more time on us than they do? We're really not that relevant.
Says the man from Canada. Go Maple Leafs!
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Maybe if the area became more successful we wouldn't think this way. Outside of one or two high points, collectively the area has won next to nothing in the last 20 years. So combine being unfashionable from a media standpoint to lack of success, why would MOTD concentrate any more time on us than they do? We're really not that relevant.
Says the man from Canada. Go Maple Leafs!
What's being from Canada got to do with anything? Oh, I see. If anybody knows and understands being irrelevant its a Canadian...as you were.
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I like motd2 i think it is ok good opening credit's they have got rid of that boring chiles and motd is good i have no problem with it is just toss complaining again.
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I'm just amazed he didn't refer to "big time charlies" in there. When I used to bother listening to his radio show (at least 15 years back, up until George Gavin left) there wasn't a programme that would pass without him banging on about them.
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So combine being unfashionable from a media standpoint to lack of success, why would MOTD concentrate any more time on us than they do? We're really not that relevant.
Because it's the BBC and not a fashion show.
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FWIW I'd prefer to see more crumpet on MOTD. Sack Colin Murray and draft in Cheryl Cole and Kelly Brook. Then we wouldn't give a tinker's cuss what the running order was. In fact I'd not notice if they didn't show the highlights at all.
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FWIW I'd prefer to see more crumpet on MOTD. Sack Colin Murray and draft in Cheryl Cole and Kelly Brook. Then we wouldn't give a tinker's cuss what the running order was. In fact I'd not notice if they didn't show the highlights at all.
Were you one of the people who enjoyed James Cordon's World Cup shows because Abby Clancy was on?
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So combine being unfashionable from a media standpoint to lack of success, why would MOTD concentrate any more time on us than they do? We're really not that relevant.
Because it's the BBC and not a fashion show.
It's not just the football either. When was the last time the BBC or ITV or anyone else had a major drama series set in the Midlands? How many drama series have there been in the last 10 years set in fucking Manchester?
If the proverbial Martian visitor came and tried to gain a picture of the UK by watching TV, they would conclude there are only two cities of any consequence in the UK, London and Manchester,
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Ironically they film Hustle in Brum, but then pass it off as Manchester.
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Ironically they film Hustle in Brum, but then pass it off as Manchester.
I'm not watching that again. c**ts.
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Ironically they film Hustle in Brum, but then pass it off as Manchester.
Similarly All Creatures Great and Small - filmed at Pebble Mill.
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I did notice they always show Blues at the end of MOTD but I just assumed it was because their games are always really boring.
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Maybe if the area became more successful we wouldn't think this way. Outside of one or two high points, collectively the area has won next to nothing in the last 20 years. So combine being unfashionable from a media standpoint to lack of success, why would MOTD concentrate any more time on us than they do? We're really not that relevant.
Says the man from Canada. Go Maple Leafs!
What's being from Canada got to do with anything? Oh, I see. If anybody knows and understands being irrelevant its a Canadian...as you were.
I lived most of my childhood in Erdington, so I can speak from experience about being irrelevant. This coming from the man in match fix central. I guess that's one way of staying relevant, hey Peter?
As for you Damon, the glass on your house is a little thin when your throwing stones from the metropolis of East Dulwich.
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I think the point was about Canada you touchy sod.
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I think the point was about Canada you touchy sod.
Hey everyone here knows they are irrelevant. There was nothing earth shattering about that news. I was just making you two aware that it wouldn't take much to sink your battleships.
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As for you Damon, the glass on your house is a little thin when your throwing stones from the metropolis of East Dulwich.
Bah! We have an organic fruiterer now! And they've nearly finished renewing the gas main outside the library!
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As for you Damon, the glass on your house is a little thin when your throwing stones from the metropolis of East Dulwich.
Bah! We have an organic fruiterer now! And they've nearly finished renewing the gas main outside the library!
Well that is important when you haven't switched to electricity yet. You'll find there's a whole new world out there once you do.
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As for you Damon, the glass on your house is a little thin when your throwing stones from the metropolis of East Dulwich.
Bah! We have an organic fruiterer now! And they've nearly finished renewing the gas main outside the library!
Well that is important when you haven't switched to electricity yet. You'll find there's a whole new world out there once you do.
Who let you know about that? The Americans?
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I think the worst thing about Canadians is that they think you give a toss about how different things are `back home.'
Really, no, I don't.
Vimy Ridge though, I'll give them that. Can never drive past it without getting a lump in my throat
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Well known for cottaging then?
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As for you Damon, the glass on your house is a little thin when your throwing stones from the metropolis of East Dulwich.
Bah! We have an organic fruiterer now! And they've nearly finished renewing the gas main outside the library!
Well that is important when you haven't switched to electricity yet. You'll find there's a whole new world out there once you do.
Who let you know about that? The Americans?
Say the man in Pakistan denying India exists.
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I think the worst thing about Canadians is that they think you give a toss about how different things are `back home.'
Really, no, I don't.
Vimy Ridge though, I'll give them that. Can never drive past it without getting a lump in my throat
what's Vimy Ridge?
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Dont forget that the BBC are moving a lot of their production upto Manchester - well Salford so the
London Manc bias will only get worse
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The times I ever watch MOTD the Villa are rarely if ever last on the show. Ross just loves to throw us in with Small Heath and the Baggies in a vain attempt to make out we're as shite as the team he follows. He can kid himself as much as he likes, but don't try and kid the rest of us.
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I think the worst thing about Canadians is that they think you give a toss about how different things are `back home.'
Really, no, I don't.
Vimy Ridge though, I'll give them that. Can never drive past it without getting a lump in my throat
what's Vimy Ridge?
bloody hell man, I hope you are joking
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I think the worst thing about Canadians is that they think you give a toss about how different things are `back home.'
Really, no, I don't.
Vimy Ridge though, I'll give them that. Can never drive past it without getting a lump in my throat
what's Vimy Ridge?
bloody hell man, I hope you are joking
Sorry, you caught me out as suddenly we are talking about Canadian being brave fighters in the war. Which they were. Intially I thought we were talking about some other no name 'nose player they signed in the transfer window. Or maybe it was our codename for Agent Ridgewell.
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On MOTD2 Colin Murray had the guests pull the matches out of a brown paper bag to decide the order. Villa were second, Liverpool were last.
So I think they are getting used to this kind of criticism.
Any chance the brown paper bag was fixed ?
We should be used to it by now ..............the media of the time backed Ipswich Town
when Ron Saunders' 14 went for the title 'back in the days'
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Ironically they film Hustle in Brum, but then pass it off as Manchester.
The last series of Survivors was filmed in Brum too. They passed it off as a post-apocalyptic desolate hole.
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All they could say was that Wolves were scheduled to be on last that night as well. I was amazed they had decided that before the games had kicked off.
Now that just really annoys me, Tom Ross comes across as a moaning nanny, but the above is just so what I expected from the beeb. They plan the games orders before they even know the results.
BBC should take into consideration the days earlier televised matches too. A lot of people would have already seen 2 games in full, yet more often than not these are the games they show first. Thats probably because they involve the bigger clubs.
Anyway I'm back on Sky now, so watch Football First instaed. Man I missed it do much.
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On a more general level the following true story illustrates how groups of people -in this case Brummies- can be pigeon-holed, with negative consequences.
Last April, a friend of mine was kind enough to buy me a novel. She did this because she had fortuitously come across a book-signing session by an author I quite like.
This author specialises in detective novels set in the Peak District. As she was having the book signed, she asked the author if there was any prospect of the books being adapted for TV.
His reply was that a TV deal had been close but had slipped away because of the recession. The author added that there had been problems during the negotiations, ie. one of the characters, who was from the West Midlands in the book, would have had to originate from London in any proposed TV series.
The reason? Apparently Brummies are only suitable for comedy roles on TV, as their accents are a barrier to being taken seriously as characters...
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Just found this thread.
To anyone complaining about MoTD I say remember what a great(!) job ITV's "The Premiership" made of highlights.
I seem to remember people on this forum renaming it "The Premiershit."
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To anyone complaining about MoTD I say remember what a great(!) job ITV's "The Premiership" made of highlights.
You dissing Andy Townsend's Tactic Truck?
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To anyone complaining about MoTD I say remember what a great(!) job ITV's "The Premiership" made of highlights.
You dissing Andy Townsend's Tactic Truck?
What a triumph that was!
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nothing new on this subject, brum will rarely be mentioned ahead of london etc whether it be sport,music or whatever. its pretty much common knowledge.