Quote from: cheltenhamlion on April 18, 2012, 08:41:34 AMBloody Axl. What a load of old shit. We need 7 points? No we do don't. Best manager we have had in years? How many years? He threw more cash at it than any other I can recall and we didn't win anything.And as for the petulant spouting at all and sundry associated with the club, I give up.Its shit at the minute I grant you but I have had it up to the back teeth in the last few days with ever more illiterate posters desperately trying to do outdo each other as to how its "even worse" in their opinion and on every fucking thread.Are there questions to be answered? Without a doubt, some serious soul searching is required at this club in the summer.But when we are discussing the return of Pube Head, does it really require another anti McLeish, anti Houllier, anti coaching staff, anti Board or anti Scouting whinge?Bloody cheltenham-what a load of old shit from yourself too. Yes, in my opinion, he is the best manager we have had in the last 10 years, which is a long time in football. I am not illiterate and absolutely love Aston Villa. Why not rant about all of these people who have brought misery and constant anti this and anti that threads. Why not? I am sure you never delve into such delights.Sheffield Villain-why is what I am saying out of context? What a drab response. BoringI apologise for having an opinion that you do not agree with. Get over it-it's my opinion. You have had yours and here is mine. I could not care less about your views when you just want to attack a fellow fan who is simply fed up with how the club is being ran
Bloody Axl. What a load of old shit. We need 7 points? No we do don't. Best manager we have had in years? How many years? He threw more cash at it than any other I can recall and we didn't win anything.And as for the petulant spouting at all and sundry associated with the club, I give up.Its shit at the minute I grant you but I have had it up to the back teeth in the last few days with ever more illiterate posters desperately trying to do outdo each other as to how its "even worse" in their opinion and on every fucking thread.Are there questions to be answered? Without a doubt, some serious soul searching is required at this club in the summer.But when we are discussing the return of Pube Head, does it really require another anti McLeish, anti Houllier, anti coaching staff, anti Board or anti Scouting whinge?
READY FOR RED FACES AT ASTON VILLAThursday April 19,2012By Graham Taylor IT COULD all be quite embarrassing at Villa Park on Saturday. There will be a lot of attention on the two managers, Alex McLeish and Martin O’Neill, and it wouldn’t surprise me if home boss Alex does not receive anything like the reception the Sunderland supremo gets when the pair walk out.And that could be difficult for everybody.O’Neill is the man who put Aston Villa in the top six for three straight seasons. They’d love that right now as they are desperate for a win at the other end of the table. The club have been in decline ever since he left nearly two years ago and, as someone close to them, that hurts me.When Randy Lerner took over he said all the right things about turning Villa into a Champions League side and having a five-year plan to do that. Martin was given responsibility for all football matters and things went well. But then the spending got a bit out of hand and the problems started.As I understand it, things came to a head when James Milner was sold to Manchester City. O’Neill allegedly saw that as football business and believed the money should come back to him to reinvest in the squad. But, as far as Lerner was concerned, that money had to go in to address the overall financial situation because of the overspend.The two fell out and Martin left, nine months later agreeing a settlement. Gerard Houllier was appointed after years out of the Premier League. He brought a different philosophy to training and playing but the team were not as successful as they had been under Martin. The new manager did not think the players were fit enough and wanted afternoon training sessions, which didn’t go down well.Gerard was moved on – and that is usually the case; it’s hard to move on all the players, so it’s often the manager who pays the price.So Villa were looking for a new manager again. Steve McClaren was on the short list, but after protests on club chat-sites, was told not to come for interview because so many fans opposed his appointment. That was terrible. It was wrong to treat him in that manner. There were 10 times as many comments on the internet about not taking McLeish from Birmingham, but Villa went ahead and did so – strange after the way they had treated Steve. Alex is a good man and a good manager; but to step across from St Andrews is not easy. And it gave Villa fans a lot to grumble about.Their club listened to them about McClaren, but not about McLeish. That has unsettled a lot of fans and their belief in the owners. There used to be a lot of support for Lerner but that is dwindling and we don’t hear much from him any more.The fans know Alex has far less money to spend than Martin had. But his top buy, Charles N’Zogbia, has not been at the races, and the style of football is not exciting enough for supporters. McLeish is accused of putting out teams set up not to lose rather than to win; but fans would rather lose 3-2 than 1-0.Villa are in a perilous position and while I don’t think they’ll be relegated, they are in danger. The word ‘big’ is used for a lot of clubs, but Villa really were ‘big; however, they’re in danger of losing that even if they stay up.How ironic that O’Neill, the man who took them into the top six and a final at Wembley, could be the man who sends them into deeper turmoil this weekend.
Daily ExpressQuoteREADY FOR RED FACES AT ASTON VILLAThursday April 19,2012By Graham Taylor IT COULD all be quite embarrassing at Villa Park on Saturday. There will be a lot of attention on the two managers, Alex McLeish and Martin O’Neill, and it wouldn’t surprise me if home boss Alex does not receive anything like the reception the Sunderland supremo gets when the pair walk out.And that could be difficult for everybody.O’Neill is the man who put Aston Villa in the top six for three straight seasons. They’d love that right now as they are desperate for a win at the other end of the table. The club have been in decline ever since he left nearly two years ago and, as someone close to them, that hurts me.When Randy Lerner took over he said all the right things about turning Villa into a Champions League side and having a five-year plan to do that. Martin was given responsibility for all football matters and things went well. But then the spending got a bit out of hand and the problems started.As I understand it, things came to a head when James Milner was sold to Manchester City. O’Neill allegedly saw that as football business and believed the money should come back to him to reinvest in the squad. But, as far as Lerner was concerned, that money had to go in to address the overall financial situation because of the overspend.The two fell out and Martin left, nine months later agreeing a settlement. Gerard Houllier was appointed after years out of the Premier League. He brought a different philosophy to training and playing but the team were not as successful as they had been under Martin. The new manager did not think the players were fit enough and wanted afternoon training sessions, which didn’t go down well.Gerard was moved on – and that is usually the case; it’s hard to move on all the players, so it’s often the manager who pays the price.So Villa were looking for a new manager again. Steve McClaren was on the short list, but after protests on club chat-sites, was told not to come for interview because so many fans opposed his appointment. That was terrible. It was wrong to treat him in that manner. There were 10 times as many comments on the internet about not taking McLeish from Birmingham, but Villa went ahead and did so – strange after the way they had treated Steve. Alex is a good man and a good manager; but to step across from St Andrews is not easy. And it gave Villa fans a lot to grumble about.Their club listened to them about McClaren, but not about McLeish. That has unsettled a lot of fans and their belief in the owners. There used to be a lot of support for Lerner but that is dwindling and we don’t hear much from him any more.The fans know Alex has far less money to spend than Martin had. But his top buy, Charles N’Zogbia, has not been at the races, and the style of football is not exciting enough for supporters. McLeish is accused of putting out teams set up not to lose rather than to win; but fans would rather lose 3-2 than 1-0.Villa are in a perilous position and while I don’t think they’ll be relegated, they are in danger. The word ‘big’ is used for a lot of clubs, but Villa really were ‘big; however, they’re in danger of losing that even if they stay up.How ironic that O’Neill, the man who took them into the top six and a final at Wembley, could be the man who sends them into deeper turmoil this weekend.
Talking to a bloke at the station this morning about this. He likes O'Neill but said that, when he met him at a forum in Longbridge when he first came, O'Neill said "you will hate me in five years."Interesting statement!
[quote author=Californian Villain link=topic=46676.msg2021826#msg2021826 This is a myth generated by McLaren's agent to cover up for what really happened, but otherwise that's a pretty good summary
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