UEFA getting the big stick out

[Dogtanian]

I don't know about anyone else, but I always observe the two minutes silence and use it to think about any poor sod who has been sent off to war and never came back. It's not about pride in anything, it's an act of humanity towards everyday people who had to go through something terrible.

I don't restrict my thoughts to those who were English or British or whatever, but to all the poor bastards.

The people who try to adopt it for their own ends or see it as some big ugly pro-England thing that needs to be scrapped are completely missing the point.

[Monty]

Stopped wearing a poppy even before I left. Were I to go back now I'd probably wear both a red and white poppy because I'm a massive hedging twat.

[chrisw1]

I'd wear one around Remembrance Day.  You've got to go through some pretty convoluted hoops to see anything bad in that.

[Monty]

I'd wear one around Remembrance Day.  You've got to go through some pretty convoluted hoops to see anything bad in that.

Not really. Since the very beginning the question of whether or not it means 'remember the dead' or 'honour the fallen' (shall we say) has been a live one.

[chrisw1]

I'd wear one around Remembrance Day.  You've got to go through some pretty convoluted hoops to see anything bad in that.

Not really. Since the very beginning the question of whether or not it means 'remember the dead' or 'honour the fallen' (shall we say) has been a live one.

Right.  Who cares?  It's Remembrance Sunday.  I don't need to spend any time thinking about the semantics of whether I'm remembering or honouring those who have died in war.

[Monty]

Who cares about the difference between commemoration of a slaughter and glorifying war?

[chrisw1]

Who cares about the difference between commemoration of a slaughter and glorifying war?

Neither are glorifying war.  It's remembrance.

Fucks sake, this is why I avoid off-topic.

[Monty]

Some people are definitely glorifying war and I think that's bad.

Fucks sake, this is why I avoid off-topic.

OK!

[Nev]

I find the use of remeberance imagery extraordinarily offensive, from white vans to trainers and "poppy Christmas" displays to football flags.

Are you offended if someone wears a poppy?

What Rory said.

Fair enough. Must be hell for you walking round in a state of being offended when you’re second guessing their reason for wearing it, especially as not everyone conforms to a stereotype.

I never said that, it's the misuse of the poppy and related imagery that I find distasteful. Reduced to a fashion statement or displayed on a football flag is not in keeping with the intention of remembrance and reflection that it was originally adopted for.