England national team

[Sexual Ealing]

There's no guarantee Mexico beat Ecuador.

[PeterWithesShin]

5 years ago today, England 2-0 Germany with Jack involved in both goals and the country in love with him.

[Smirker]

5 years ago today, England 2-0 Germany with Jack involved in both goals and the country in love with him.

One of the best England moments in my lifetime.

Nobody saw that coming.

[brontebilly]

5 years ago today, England 2-0 Germany with Jack involved in both goals and the country in love with him.

One of the best England moments in my lifetime.

Nobody saw that coming.

Really? Player for player England were surely miles ahead on paper. Grealish gift wrapped that one for Kane like Bellingham did the other night.

[Dave]

5 years ago today, England 2-0 Germany with Jack involved in both goals and the country in love with him.

One of the best England moments in my lifetime.

Nobody saw that coming.

Really? Player for player England were surely miles ahead on paper.

One of those things that has been twisted out of proportion from what had happened since.

Look at the two teams and put a strongest eleven together (bearing in mind everyone is five years younger, for better or worse).

Germany take Neuer, Rudiger, Kimmich, probably both of Goretzka and Kroos.

England take Kane, Stones, Walker and Sterling. Maybe a very young, West Ham Rice over one of the above?

Either way, it's pretty even fare and it was an impressive result against a perfectly decent team.

[paul_e]

At the time Grealish definitely starts in a best XI for the 2 for most managers. One oft he biggest frustrations with Southgate for most is that he didn't seem to realise that Grealish was his trump card in that tournament and he just held him back. Up until the Germany game he probably had most of the country onside to be using Sterling and Mount ahead of him but to leave him on the bench after that performance was a massive wasted opportunity.

[dcdavecollett]

If Grealish had started the final, we would have won the trophy.

[ChicagoLion]

If Grealish had started the final, we would have won the trophy.

Agree.

[PeterWithesShin]

Grealish was at his peak, he seemed unstoppable and made things happen. Whether for Villa or England he lifted everyone, players and crowd. Well apart from Southgate.

[tony scott]

I know it’s off topic, I live in Oz and I do trivia , it grieves me to see the same bloke from another team, in an Everton shirt with Grealish on the back.  Childish I know.

[brontebilly]

If Grealish had started the final, we would have won the trophy.

Wasn't he brought on and taken off in one of the previous games? Grealish was Southgates SOS man, first man in when in trouble. Game was thrown away as Southgate didn't realise England had surrendered all control and Grealish would have been the ideal man to bring on early. Did ok from memory when he eventually came in.

[cdbearsfan]

Grealish had about ten good minutes in the entire tournament but that was seen as further evidence by the hystericals on here that their greatest manager in colour was the Enemy of the People for not picking him every game, even though they kept winning without him.

[LeeB]

Southgate was Steve Clarke in a waistcoat. If he'd have been Scotland manager they'd have served up the same timid slop they did under Clarke.

[Dave]

At the time Grealish definitely starts in a best XI for the 2 for most managers.

Grealish had about ten good minutes in the entire tournament but that was seen as further evidence by the hystericals on here that their greatest manager in colour was the Enemy of the People for not picking him every game, even though they kept winning without him.

And the two other players who he was competing with for that bit of the pitch (Sterling and Rashford) had scored about 130 goals between them in the previous three seasons.

It's not like Southgate was picking Andy Hinchcliffe over him. And so no, I don't think he does start in a Best XI for most managers.

[paul_e]

and we're never going to agree on it so no point reopening the argument. Better to leave it so CD doesn't have to find new ways to insult anyone who doesn't worship Southgate as a genius.