Nottingham Forest v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[RamboandBruno]

Lots of negativity on social media.  I think it’s because a lot of people have seen us bottle these occasions so many times there’s an expectation we’re already out.  And you can understand why.  One or two posts about the extent of forest fans and players celebrations last night though.  That should act as extra motivation.

I think its more that negativity is the essence of social media.

[tomd2103]

On reflection, accept the point about the Rogers goal not being the same as the ref blew his whistle.  It's just the whole process rather than actually being aggrieved at the decision at this point.  So anything within a phase of play (or even before that, as shown with our disallowed goal against Brentford) can be checked by VAR even if they cannot make a definitive decision?  Just raises the question then though of why just check when there is an incident and not every time?

Brentford was bad as the camera angles could not show it was out definitely and was a bad call (even if later fan footage showed it to be correct), but pretty much yes that in theory anything between whistle blows can be checked IF it leads up to a VAR remit decision (goal, penalty, sending off). There is mention of a "change of possesion" which I suspect means if the defending team foul the attacker (under non VAR review conditions) but play continues, then they win the ball legitimately and go up the other end and have a VAR remit decision, VAR doesn't take the non-called foul into decision. I suspect the cut-off is arbituary though.

Of course it also depends on "Clear and Obvious error" and what the ref states to VAR at the time. If the ref stated "My lino is calling the ball out, however I also will not be calling a penalty as although it struck his hand, it was natually up to call for ownership of possesion and hence not deliberate block", then VAR probably would not have gotten involved.

The second paragraph is what happened though.  They gave a goal kick and turned down the penalty appeal, only for the VAR official to intervene and overrule on both. 

Has it actually ever been stated that VAR can check every detail leading up to an incident and as we saw against Brentford, how far do they go back?  Just seems like that leaves a massive grey area where someone sitting in a room somewhere is making decisions without the means to do so definitively. 

[eamonn]

Gabby saying it’s because the VAR was Portuguese and therefore in cahoots with Pereira.  Haha

Gabby must post on here then as someone mentioned that in Pre-match.

It was me. I'm not Gabby though, the only thing we have in common is that we were once slim but now have baby bellies.

[paul_e]

For me it probably was a penalty but the question is more about what VAR should be doing.

Is 4-5minutes checking if that had crossed the line really acceptable in the same match where someone going over the ball and studs up into a player's ankle got less than 30 seconds of review?

What do we want to use the tech for because right now it's leaning heavily towards pedantic re-refereeing of marginal calls whilst ignoring serious foul play.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Has anybody been keeping records of the longest VAR decisions taken as they seem to be getting longer by the week?

[Beard82]

For me it probably was a penalty but the question is more about what VAR should be doing.

Is 4-5minutes checking if that had crossed the line really acceptable in the same match where someone going over the ball and studs up into a player's ankle got less than 30 seconds of review?

What do we want to use the tech for because right now it's leaning heavily towards pedantic re-refereeing of marginal calls whilst ignoring serious foul play.

Yes exactly

[LeeB]

For me it probably was a penalty but the question is more about what VAR should be doing.

Is 4-5minutes checking if that had crossed the line really acceptable in the same match where someone going over the ball and studs up into a player's ankle got less than 30 seconds of review?

What do we want to use the tech for because right now it's leaning heavily towards pedantic re-refereeing of marginal calls whilst ignoring serious foul play.

Yep.

[that_lovin_feelin]

Forest fan here

Good result for us, but it's only half time and we don't have a very good record at Villa Park, so obviously all to play for. Can't help but feel we needed to score a second and take advantage of being at home.

Very surprised that Anderson got away with the red card challenge - 10 years ago, there'd be nothing wrong with that, but by todays standards it's a red and I'm surprised it wasn't given.

A couple of points to clarify; the fireworks at the end of game always happen after a win at night; its something that started in our promotion season and seems to have continued as a tradition. I'm not a massive fan of it, but the majority seem to like it. There's also been a few videos online of Forest fans seemingly extremely confident that the job is done; those on social media just shout the loudest. I can guarantee, 99% of forest fans are very much aware that the tie is still in the balance.

[dave.woodhall]

You sound far too reasonable to be on here. Are you lost?

[tricky59]

You sound far too reasonable to be on here. Are you lost?

Could be that they've lost that lovin' feelin'.

[cdbearsfan]

You seem a sensible chap TLF. Good luck for the rest of the season after Thursday, and hopefully we each help the other side out on Sunday/Monday.

[RamboandBruno]

Cheers TLF, good luck in staying up but obviously not on Thursday

[Mellin]

Hi TLF. Forest. Good club. Hope you have a shit week.

Return leg I'd go (presuming Onana's out for two months again):

Martinez

Cash
Konsa
Torres
Digne

McGinn
Luiz

Sancho
Tielemans
Rogers

Watkins

[saint13]

On the penalty, it's the inconsistency that absolutely boils my piss.  We seem to be the only team that has had any decisions on the in/out of play thing - the only other case I can remember being remotely similar was the one a few years back where Manure scored at West Ham.  There the ball was clearly a couple of metres beyond the touchline in the air before swinging back in, yet everyone was told that VAR couldn't intervene on that one.

Football doesn't have 'hawkeye' technology on the touchlines yet, and my understanding is that in/out is still currently the decision of the on field officials.  The linesman clearly indicated for a goal kick as soon as it happened, so I don't know why VAR even intervenes at that stage.

If VAR is going to overrule officials on this, then it also needs to start being used for goal kicks and corners.  Or just f*ck the whole thing off and make the game much more enjoyable.

Let's face it when it comes to VAR, they are making it up as they go along.
It changes from game to game, depending on who is involved and what is at stake.

It is still completely subjective. The only difference is it is done from a studio 100 miles away.

[Mellin]

That's the problem, and it sits with the governing bodies. You have one ref "who lets the game flow" and one who "likes a booking". Erm, no. There should be a consistent standard which every single referee works toward. The ref's attitude to how football should be played is a major influence on games. It shouldn't be. So create a standard which is applied consistently by every single ref, and if they think they're above it, sack them off and find someone else. Allowing them to deviate is a major cause of all these shit decisions, because they all have their own ideas about what constitutes a penalty/red card etc. They are referees, not fucking Maradonna. Pull them in line.