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[eliotpollak]

So I take you are going with it is neccessay to protect the Jews from locals, hence the shame, and not it is neccesary to protect the locals from the same thing that MTA fans did in Greece and Amsterdam?

Yes because a) that’s what the police statement said and b) if the game was in London or Norwich or Plymouth, there wouldn’t be a problem, which implies the locals are the issues.

Can you show me a citation that it would not be a problem in London, Norwich or Plymouth? Also, you are ok with MTA fans attacking Muslims in other cities?

No, because it’s what’s called a hypothetical. I believe it to be true however. Israeli clubs have played in Stoke, Manchester, London before with no problems.
And no, bc I’m not in favour of anyone being attacked.

So because matches happened in 2011, 2002 and I'm assuming a similar time frame for the London matches, you believe a match taking place today would not have banned away supporters? Especially ones who have a small recent history of attacking locals of certain persuasions. Didn''t the national Police organisation who supposedly informed the HO it was going to be an away fans ban state they totally stood by the decision?

Again, your sources no doubt far better than the Official. Police. Report.

As above...the police report was fundamentally untrue.

You seemed quite fond of it before.

Anyway, it didn’t go off, no-one got beaten to a pulp by hundreds of racist nutters like in Athens, and decent people didn’t have to put up with singalonga-genocide. Good.

Two different police reports. UK and Dutch

Did one of them say they’re not a bunch of violent racist nutters? Because obviously, we all know that one can be dismissed.

I just wish Israeli sport wasn’t given special treatment and they were banned like Russia and apartheid South Africa, then this relatively (compared to all the murder and that) tiny problem would be solved.

You sound nice and sensible. Try to hate Jews less - can’t be good for the blood pressure

I don’t hate Jews. I couldn’t give a flying fuck which imaginary friend you support. It’s the war crimes and mass infanticide I object to. Whoever does it.

Lots and lots of Jews agree with me. Do you think I hate them?

No they don’t.
Don’t be so touchy. This forum is fine with anti-semitism anyway. No consequences don’t worry.

I realise that truth is not your strong point, but yes, they do.

I’m not touchy. I haven’t threatened anyone with lawyers over posts on a football forum. Now THAT’S touchy.

Stop conflating criticism of Israel with criticism of Jews. You know what that is, right?

What's your source for lots and lots of Jews believing in the fiction of infanticide, genocide, 5aside or whatever other word you've just looked up in your Collins Toddlers Thesaurus?

[eliotpollak]

I heard you being interviewed on TalkSport before the match, while driving, and thought, how reasonable you were, articulate about the issues faced by Jewish Football fans ( specifically Villa’s) and how empathetic to the political issues faced by the Club, at the time.

I don’t recognise your response today as coming from the same person.

There’s a question in Parliament today about the Villa and the match v Maccabi. It’s appeared here, because it is current about AVFC, the Club we all follow. Why are you quoting old posts?

It doesn’t help anybody or challenge what is being said in Parliament about The Villa.
It’s about as insightful a comment as Ian Duncan Smith’s.

I am reasonable and articulate, especially when talking to similarly reasonable and articulate mates on the radio.
I save my less reasonable and articulate side for dealing with scumbags who belong in the Nazi party, as I hope everyone else would too. I have very little patience for racism...sorry.

[Drummond]

So the United Nations are peddling fiction about genocide now are they? Who do you believe?

[cdbearsfan]

Not really sure why this nasty piece of work is allowed to get away with calling anyone that disagrees with him an antisemite or "scumbags who belong in the Nazi Party" tbh.

Any other poster would be asked to apologise or be banned.

[dave.woodhall]

I've deliberately avoided this revived argument but I'll say one thing - do you consider anyone on here to be  "scumbags who belong in the Nazi party, "? And if so, name names.

[paul_e]

I heard you being interviewed on TalkSport before the match, while driving, and thought, how reasonable you were, articulate about the issues faced by Jewish Football fans ( specifically Villa’s) and how empathetic to the political issues faced by the Club, at the time.

I don’t recognise your response today as coming from the same person.

There’s a question in Parliament today about the Villa and the match v Maccabi. It’s appeared here, because it is current about AVFC, the Club we all follow. Why are you quoting old posts?

It doesn’t help anybody or challenge what is being said in Parliament about The Villa.
It’s about as insightful a comment as Ian Duncan Smith’s.

I am reasonable and articulate, especially when talking to similarly reasonable and articulate mates on the radio.
I save my less reasonable and articulate side for dealing with scumbags who belong in the Nazi party, as I hope everyone else would too. I have very little patience for racism...sorry.

and yet you've repeatedly argued in favour of MTA fans who are regularly recorded signing racist songs. So not all forms of racism it seems (just the sort you you can pretend exists when people disagree with you).

[Monty]

I'm reasonable, articulate, and everyone who disagrees is a Nazi toddler.

[cdbearsfan]

Modest, too.

[Sexual Ealing]

I am anti-racist and an excellent lover.

[Drummond]

I am anti-racist and an excellent lover.

You'll be told you're an anti-lover and excellent racist soon.

[Somniloquism]

I am reasonable and articulate, especially when talking to similarly reasonable and articulate mates on the radio.
I save my less reasonable and articulate side for dealing with scumbags who belong in the Nazi party, as I hope everyone else would too. I have very little patience for racism...sorry.

Unless it is islamophobia in which case you jump in with both Doc Martens.

[Percy McCarthy]

What's your source for lots and lots of Jews believing in the fiction of infanticide, genocide, 5aside or whatever other word you've just looked up in your Collins Toddlers Thesaurus?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WMwgXJ4GJIw&pp=ygUcaXNyYWVsaXMgcHJvdGVzdCBhZ2FpbnN0IHdhctIHCQkLCgGHKiGM7w%3D%3D