Harvey Elliott (signed on loan)

[garyellis]

Re Malen did not the sales of Duran and Diego add more restrictions to the CL squad?
Agree bringing on Harvey last weekend for a cameo role seemed a bit odd/wasteful

[Dave]

Re Malen did not the sales of Duran and Diego add more restrictions to the CL squad?
Agree bringing on Harvey last weekend for a cameo role seemed a bit odd/wasteful

It didn't add any extra restrictions. We just weren't able to add more then three players, regardless of who we removed having sold / loaned them.

[garyellis]

Re Malen did not the sales of Duran and Diego add more restrictions to the CL squad?
Agree bringing on Harvey last weekend for a cameo role seemed a bit odd/wasteful

It didn't add any extra restrictions. We just weren't able to add more then three players, regardless of who we removed having sold / loaned them.

Sorry if I’m being a bit slow on the uptake but if Diego had stayed we would not have to add Disasi so could that have left a place for Malen?

[Dave]

Re Malen did not the sales of Duran and Diego add more restrictions to the CL squad?
Agree bringing on Harvey last weekend for a cameo role seemed a bit odd/wasteful

It didn't add any extra restrictions. We just weren't able to add more then three players, regardless of who we removed having sold / loaned them.

Sorry if I’m being a bit slow on the uptake but if Diego had stayed we would not have to add Disasi so could that have left a place for Malen?

Yes, that's true. I wouldn't describe it as "adding a restriction" though. Just "not needing to replace anyone player that we sold"

[eamonn]

Townsley has tweeted that Harvey stays in our European squad while Roscoe misses out again 😪

[Dave]

Townsley has tweeted that Harvey stays in our European squad while Roscoe misses out again 😪

But we're not putting Barkley in ahead of DL, Tammy or Bailey, are we?

[eamonn]

No, but I can still feel bad for him about it.

[Toronto Villa]

Aston Villa manager Unai Emery has appealed to Liverpool to change the terms of Harvey Elliott’s loan after admitting the current situation is “damaging” the 22-year-old.

Last month, Emery acknowledged there was a reluctance for Elliott to play more games, with the Liverpool loanee needing to play 10 matches in order for Villa to trigger the obligation to buy him.

Emery acknowledged that the current situation on Friday — with Elliott only able to play three more games before Villa’s obligation is triggered — “is not fair” on the midfielder.

"It can change for him, if Liverpool take off this clause. If they don't want to, the player gets damaged."

Jacob Tanswell - The Athletic

[Toronto Villa]

Apparently we have been talking to Liverpool for three months to remove the obligation clause. Liverpool have refused to. Emery wants to play him but won’t have the obligation remains. We shouldn’t have signed him on loan with the clause. But clearly we won’t as is. What’s done is done but it surely makes sense for Liverpool more than us to have the clause removed. He gets playing time and the player retains or even improves his value.

[Percy McCarthy]

What’s done is done but it surely makes sense for Liverpool more than us to have the clause removed. He gets playing time and the player retains or even improves his value.

I’m surprised so many Villa fans think this. What if he helps us beat Liverpool to the CL spots?

Doesn’t anyone remember Mick Ferguson?

[cdbearsfan]

Agreed.

As a Thought Experiment, let's imagine Villa were roughly were Liverpool are in the league, just on the brink of the Champions League spots. Let's also imagine Newcastle were where we are, a few points clear but hardly in an uncatchable position. Let's say we had loaned them Jacob Ramsey, with exactly the same clauses as were applied in the Elliott deal. Now say Howe had decided, after a handful of appearances, that he's not sure about him and doesn't want to give him too many more games for fear of triggering the fee.

In these circumstances, how many Villa fans would be in favour of amending the clause to help Newcastle (and Ramsey) out, and how many would be saying "fuck Newcastle, they knew what they signed up for"?

I suspect the latter option would have won about 99% in any H&V vote.

[dave.woodhall]

What’s done is done but it surely makes sense for Liverpool more than us to have the clause removed. He gets playing time and the player retains or even improves his value.

I’m surprised so many Villa fans think this. What if he helps us beat Liverpool to the CL spots?

Doesn’t anyone remember Mick Ferguson?

You'd have to be a really, really stupid club run by really, really, stupid people to have anything like that happen to you.

[Toronto Villa]

Well I imagine that plays into it. But then it’s no different to any other loan player. Or that top players wouldn’t move between top clubs. My point about what’s done is some is that we can’t undo the initial deal. And it’s Harvey Elliott not Salah or some other player of greater and obvious significance. In the end Liverpool don’t have to do anything. But Elliott will go back at the end of this no way a £35M player to whoever they try to move him on to.

[Drummond]

He'll go back and they'll sell him for £20m-£25m. That £10m-£15m is worth it to scupper us and increase their chances of catching us and them gaining Champions League.

[Rich 147]

What’s done is done but it surely makes sense for Liverpool more than us to have the clause removed. He gets playing time and the player retains or even improves his value.

I’m surprised so many Villa fans think this. What if he helps us beat Liverpool to the CL spots?

Doesn’t anyone remember Mick Ferguson?

If they are worried about him making that sort of impact, they should consider paying us a fee to cancel and getting him back in that squad that has many injuries.

I think this screams slot to be honest. Villa in the window were probably happy to send him back, rumours are he wanted to go back, Liverpool as a club would probably do right by him and take him back, I just think slot has made his mind up on him. Liverpool have injuries as well, they had to play their best player at RB the other day, so there's clearly a place for him if only on the bench. He was a kloop boy wasn't he and slot does strike me a bit of a "it's my way" type of guy