Harvey Elliott (signed on loan)

[andyh]

The difference between Tielemans  and Elliott is that Tielemans was our player. We had signed him, he wasnt on loan.

If you are bringing in a loanee, with an intent to buy or not, he doesn’t have the same benefit of time being on his side.

Why on earth bring in a loanee, at great cost, and then not play him ?

Unless of course, he was a complete panic acquisition and is not particularly needed or wanted.

[Chris Smith]

The difference between Tielemans  and Elliott is that Tielemans was our player. We had signed him, he wasnt on loan.

If you are bringing in a loanee, with an intent to buy or not, he doesn’t have the same benefit of time being on his side.

Why on earth bring in a loanee, at great cost, and then not play him ?

Unless of course, he was a complete panic acquisition and is not particularly needed or wanted.

Isn’t it a loan with an obligation to buy, structured that way to help us out? So to all intents and purposes a permanent signing. In which case I don’t see that it makes a great deal of difference from an acclimatising point of view.

[Beard82]

I thought he had to play 10 games before it became permenent? 

[Somniloquism]

Tielemans was involved on the pitch in some way for every single match apart from the few matches he was injured.

[Somniloquism]

I thought he had to play 10 games before it became permenent?

He does, but when he becomes permanent, he supposedly hits the books at the figure we were quoted for by UEFA and will put us outside the positive funding. I wonder who we might sell in January to fund him.

[Chris Smith]

How long did Tielemans have to wait before Emery trusted him? I think it’s as simple as that. He plays in such a key position and until Unai has 100% confident that he is ready he’ll be a bit-part player at best

I think this is more logical than the number-of-matches thing, but it's weird how Guessand is fine and doesn't need any time to bed in at all.

Maybe a combination of he has options in central midfield so can afford to be patient annd even though his end product is lacking Guessand is doing the job asked of him.

[Dave]

How long did Tielemans have to wait before Emery trusted him? I think it’s as simple as that. He plays in such a key position and until Unai has 100% confident that he is ready he’ll be a bit-part player at best

I think this is more logical than the number-of-matches thing, but it's weird how Guessand is fine and doesn't need any time to bed in at all.

Maybe a combination of he has options in central midfield so can afford to be patient annd even though his end product is lacking Guessand is doing the job asked of him.

But Elliott isn't really a central-midfielder - he plays in that slightly wide-right postition that McGinn does for us. When we signed him, the talk was the he wanted to leave Liverpool because he wasn't getting enough opportunity with Salah being undroppable in the position he would have played for them.

Which would mean that he would doing a combination of the job that McGinn / Malen / Guessand has done for us so far.

[brontebilly]

How long did Tielemans have to wait before Emery trusted him? I think it’s as simple as that. He plays in such a key position and until Unai has 100% confident that he is ready he’ll be a bit-part player at best

I think this is more logical than the number-of-matches thing, but it's weird how Guessand is fine and doesn't need any time to bed in at all.

I wonder if it’s just the fact that playing in front of Cash, he wants someone like Guessand who’s willing to work back and help out with the dirty work. That’s one area I have been impressed with him. It’s also coincided with Cash improving.

Elliot’s role is probably very different.

That's it for me. He came on v Everton to help Cash out v Grealish and it worked reasonably well. We are also a bit short physically in the team anyway particularly if Mings isn't playing so Guessand is another body at set piece time. He also has his uses pressing from the front and slowing down the ball coming at us.

But I think Emery is overthinking it a bit too. McGinn in the first half that day v Everton was dropping onto KDH and not Grealish, that was a tactical error. McGinn on right > x 10 than Guessand. I can't see how Elliot provided his fitness and workrate is up to scratch can't do a lot of what Guessand does. Particularly games like last night where we know we will own the ball. Guessand despite slowing down the opponent a bit, also gives the ball away a lot as his touch is so poor, his weight of pass is poor. That defensive forward role isn't sustainable really.

[Drummond]

He'll be first choice next season when we've sold Rogers.

[Brend'Watkins]

I’d honestly start Elliot instead of Guessand on Sunday as I’m now beyond thinking he’s not very good, he’s a liability. I’m still totally flummoxed as to what he was attempting with that cross/shot hit with pace and curve. It was something that you’d expect from someone who’s never kicked a ball in their life.

[cdbearsfan]

We really lack pace up front and whatever he is, Elliott isn't that. I'd put Sancho in for Guessand.

[The Edge]

We really lack pace up front and whatever he is, Elliott isn't that. I'd put Sancho in for Guessand.

After watching THAT cross last night I'd put myself ahead of Guessand.

[brontebilly]

We really lack pace up front and whatever he is, Elliott isn't that. I'd put Sancho in for Guessand.

Sancho turned it in at Man United when asked to play on the right. Would he be guaranteed to put a shift in supporting Cash? I'm not so sure. I think Guessand will start v Man City anyway again. When Tielemans gets back fully fit, McGinn will find a way back in that position. I thought Elliot would be an option there but not in Emery's eyes yet.

It's not really a great look when none of Malen, Guessand, Elliot or Sancho look a great fit for our setup but Ramsey was allowed leave instead. Same in midfield, Onana still delivering the square root of fuck all when it matters and Douglas Luiz starring for Forest last night v Porto.

[cdbearsfan]

Central midfield isn't a problem. We need a pacy winger. If not Guessand or Sancho then fast-track Broggio.

[Chris Smith]

How long did Tielemans have to wait before Emery trusted him? I think it’s as simple as that. He plays in such a key position and until Unai has 100% confident that he is ready he’ll be a bit-part player at best

I think this is more logical than the number-of-matches thing, but it's weird how Guessand is fine and doesn't need any time to bed in at all.

Maybe a combination of he has options in central midfield so can afford to be patient annd even though his end product is lacking Guessand is doing the job asked of him.

But Elliott isn't really a central-midfielder - he plays in that slightly wide-right postition that McGinn does for us. When we signed him, the talk was the he wanted to leave Liverpool because he wasn't getting enough opportunity with Salah being undroppable in the position he would have played for them.

Which would mean that he would doing a combination of the job that McGinn / Malen / Guessand has done for us so far.

Fair enough but the point about options still stands.