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Offline Keeno

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Re: The season overall
« Reply #195 on: May 28, 2025, 12:03:47 PM »
I think I've realised that it's more the excitement of watching the matches that lives with me rather than winning trophies (though I'd like to see us win the FA Cup to complete the set of those that matter in my lifetime). I never expect us to win any given trophy (or rather we haven't made it close enough for me to expect one for a very long time), so I'm more concerned with our ability to hit the heights fairly regularly, to be competitive. We did that this season and have done since Emery was installed.

That said, there seems to have been a creeping trend towards a more passive approach across Emery's reign which makes the losses harder to take anything positive from and the football generally less enthralling. Would feel better about the Palace and Manchester United games if I felt like we had given them a real shot. Didn't feel bad about the PSG defeat at all.

Overall we did marginally better than I had expected at the start of the season and it would seem daft to be disappointed for long bearing that in mind.
This is a really good post.
The PSG game I was a combination of really gutted but immensely proud, maybe the most proud Ive been coming away from Villa Park. On the flip side Sunday was terrible but Palace was the worst, definitely the lowest Ive felt coming away from a game since Fulham 2018. To just not show up in anyway at all, was mind blowing.
In 22/23 when Emery came in we generally had good results, punctuated by losses, but then had that momentum filled run that got us to 7th,  that was a joy. The first half of 23/24 was incredible, blowing then decent teams away literally battering them and the 1-0 mauling of a then tip top man city, is still one of the most complete performances I’ve seen at VP.
This run from late Feb has been title winning form and really enjoyable, but apart from the odd game (Newcastle), we now have spells in games where we do what we have to do, rather than the gorgeous football we were playing August to December 2023.
Not sure what it is, we’ve lost Dougie who was integral, but Tielemans although a different player, has been great (although him and Doug both played in that man city game). Ramsey has been in and out and not got his dynamism back yet, Bailey hasn’t been the same player, we haven’t had pre xmas 2023 Diaby. Maybe the form of those players is the difference. It also does feel as much as we have patient controlled build up. we then rely on Rogers to literally ‘do something’. The additional factor as well, other than maybe Liverpool away early in 23/24 and Spurs at home debacle, defeats when they came, nearly always felt like we were in the game. This year away games at Liverpool, Chelsea, Newcastle, Wolves, Palace, man utd, Palace again in the cup, we’ve just been battered largely without response.
Not sure if our reduced attacking fluidity and dynamism is interlinked with our propensity to fold more often.
I agree with this - we rarely hit the highs of performance that we did in the first half of last season.   I think Luiz was a miss - But I think more so - Leons bailey's complete loss of form - he was excellent at times last season - and 19 GA in the league compared to 3 this year is a big part. 

Really interesting point(s) to consider.

I think there was a clear plan from Emery and his team to approach this season as an 'established' top 6 team who has to compete on multiple fronts, and needs to finish the season strong, avoiding the huge burnout we saw in the final few months of 23/24. As a result, I think we definitley lowered our intensity in a lot of 'winnable' games this year by design, knocking 2-3% off in the games we were winning, in order to save a bit in the tank for later in the season. Winning 2-0 rather than going for 3/4.

This led to perhaps lower peak performance levels than in 23/24, but across all competitions probably a higher floor.

A way to think about it is in 23/24 we were basically Nottingham Forest this year - amazing start to the season, thin-ish squad, ran out of steam at the end but Villa were able to just about limp over the line to get to 68 points.

It's a *really* fine balance to try and strike - avoiding burnout, managing injuries, playing well enough to win the games you need to win and then saving those peak efforts for the highest quality teams. Lets be honest - we very nearly managed it to perfection in the league - left ourselves just a bit too much to do in the final few months and our November - January performances were probably to blame for that.

If we were to make a genuine run at the title, this is probably how a team with our resources/PSR restrictions would have to do it. The Sky 6 have a much wider margin for error than we do due to the squads they can build and the money they can splash each window. And I like that is clearly how Unai is looking to build us across a season now, with that maximum level of achievement in mind.

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Re: The season overall
« Reply #196 on: May 28, 2025, 12:04:20 PM »
Martinez nominated for Save of the Season. I haven't read it, but presumably he's been nominated by Newcastle fans for saving their Champions League place?  :P

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2025/may/28/mart-nez-nominated-for-premier-league-save-of-the-season/

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Re: The season overall
« Reply #197 on: May 28, 2025, 12:04:27 PM »
Who are those circa 10% of Southampton fans who are "very satisfied" with their season, and why?

But yes, I think that looks about right. I'm a bit surprised that it's not more heavily weighted towards satisfied rather than very satisfied, given how it ended. A useful reminder that people getting angry on the internet isn't representative.

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Re: The season overall
« Reply #198 on: May 28, 2025, 12:06:26 PM »
Seems about right. https://x.com/TheAthleticFC/status/1927621234126115142



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Re: The season overall
« Reply #199 on: May 28, 2025, 12:07:09 PM »
Who are those circa 10% of Southampton fans who are "very satisfied" with their season, and why?

But yes, I think that looks about right. I'm a bit surprised that it's not more heavily weighted towards satisfied rather than very satisfied, given how it ended. A useful reminder that people getting angry on the internet isn't representative.

This is making me believe that my “happy clapper” more positive demeanour is actually the norm rather than the more miserablist tendency we see on here sometimes.

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Re: The season overall
« Reply #200 on: May 28, 2025, 12:11:17 PM »
Strong disapprove of putting blue on the left and red on the right. Are they American, FFS?

Using blue for satisfaction and red for dissatisfaction seems fine to me.

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Re: The season overall
« Reply #201 on: May 28, 2025, 12:14:32 PM »
Who are the Man United fans voting "very satisfied"?

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Re: The season overall
« Reply #202 on: May 28, 2025, 12:15:37 PM »
I suspect the survey has fallen victim to rival fan voting.

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Re: The season overall
« Reply #203 on: May 28, 2025, 03:44:16 PM »

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Re: The season overall
« Reply #204 on: May 28, 2025, 04:24:38 PM »
Its funny - but bottling the CL and FA Cup - Combined with what other clubs have achieved this season (Spurs, Palace, maybe Chelsea) - has kind of raised my expectations for next season. 
I really think next year we need to get CL and Silverware - anything less kind of feels like we have hit a ceiling. 

I have this massive concern that we have seen the peak of this new dawn and desperately want to be proved wrong.
We should start with something like the Carabao Cup and take it very seriously and not act like its beneath us .

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Re: The season overall
« Reply #205 on: May 28, 2025, 04:46:32 PM »
Who are the Man United fans voting "very satisfied"?

The ones living in Birmingham.

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Re: The season overall
« Reply #207 on: May 28, 2025, 06:10:18 PM »
Proof that it really only is us who ManUre actively seek to sabotage...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c79e79yq9q1o

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Re: The season overall
« Reply #208 on: May 30, 2025, 08:56:12 AM »
Thinking positively, winning eight out of our final ten games and  finishing sixth in the Premier League and qualifying for Europa League football is a creditable achievement, as is an FA Cup semi final appearance. Getting to the Champions League quarter finals was brilliant and beyond expectations. However, we put ourselves in great positions to achieve more, reaching an FA Cup Final and a Champions League qualifying place but sadly delivered two pitiful performances in two crucial games. Ultimately we've qualified for Europe for the third consecutive season. Who would have seen that coming before Unai arrived? As a fan base our expectations have been raised and we're disappointed at not achieving more but we've still had a good season imo.

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Re: The season overall
« Reply #209 on: May 31, 2025, 11:06:53 AM »
I go along with all the positive vibes in here and everything I have to say has been stated by various posters and much more succinctly. The only thing is we didn't win anything and next season we need to and that will underline the success of this new era otherwise it will all be circa 2008-11.

 


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