Villa v Palace Post Match Thread

[edgysatsuma89]

I'm not going to overreact, but it is dispiriting to go out of yet another domestic cup.

It's not as simple as getting angry at team selection or individual mistakes, it's just the general apathy that seems to pervade our whole approach - from manager to players to some supporters.

The last ten winners of the League Cup have been:

Chelsea
Man City
Man Utd
Man City
Man City
Man City
Man City
Liverpool
Man Utd
Liverpool

All of those have won (or in Man City and Chelsea's case, bought) the League and the European Cup multiple times since we last won anything at all.

If they don't consider it beneath them to put the required effort in to win the League Cup, I don't see why we should.

You say the most sensible things past the witching hour Rory. You can't pick and choose what you are going to win. It must always be take part to win mentality as shown by your listing.

I suspect though that if you looked at their teams, prior to the semi-final stage, that they played much weaker teams also and often risked dropping out early. Their weaker teams have just been much better than ours.

[Legion]

Just catching up with things.

https://www.skysports.com/football/aston-villa-vs-c-palace/522585

[olaftab]

So if we had got through we would have had an away tie at Arsenal.

Yes and we would rather play Arsenal in the quarters than semis or final.

[olaftab]

I suspect though that if you looked at their teams, prior to the semi-final stage, that they played much weaker teams also and often risked dropping out early. Their weaker teams have just been much better than ours.

But as Clubs they have prioritised winning trophies, any trophy and that's the difference.

[edgysatsuma89]

I suspect though that if you looked at their teams, prior to the semi-final stage, that they played much weaker teams also and often risked dropping out early. Their weaker teams have just been much better than ours.

But as Clubs they have prioritised winning trophies, any trophy and that's the difference.

You wouldn't have said Man City were particularly prioritising beating Tottenham yesterday playing O'Reilly, McAtee, bringing on Wright and Simpson-Pusey, they just often get away with it.

[pauliewalnuts]

I suspect though that if you looked at their teams, prior to the semi-final stage, that they played much weaker teams also and often risked dropping out early. Their weaker teams have just been much better than ours.

But as Clubs they have prioritised winning trophies, any trophy and that's the difference.

You wouldn't have said Man City were particularly prioritising beating Tottenham yesterday playing O'Reilly, McAtee, bringing on Wright and Simpson-Pusey, they just often get away with it.

Indeed.

They manage their squads to handle multiple competitions, too.

This idea that we are any different from other clubs in doing what we did last night is nonsense, as is the annual performative rage about winning cups.

Of course we all want to win cups. It just isn't that simple, is it?

We lost last night because Diego Carlos - a regular first teamer - assisted beautifully. For the opposition.

[VillaTim]

If we'd turned up to the last few finals we got to we might not be having this discussion (recent LC v C115y aside) .

[john e]

So if we had got through we would have had an away tie at Arsenal.

Yes and we would rather play Arsenal in the quarters than semis or final.

That draw did make me feel a bit better about going out
No way we’re going to Highbury and winning with our non-priority attitude to this cup and Lackadaisical performances



Yes I did google how to spell it

[usav]

Nothing wrong with the team selection he put out last night, it was packed with internationals.

He is right to be a bit pissed with the performance, both goals down to defensive blunders.

[cdward]

Didn’t help Ten Hag winning 2 trophies.
Success is measured by how much money we’re making, CL is much more lucrative than winning the League Cup.
Unai knows what the owners want, unfortunately fans and owners hopes and dreams are different.
Personally I would love us to win a trophy again, but It just doesn’t seem a priority to Unai, which I understand too.

[Brend'Watkins]

Didn’t help Ten Hag winning 2 trophies.
Success is measured by how much money we’re making, CL is much more lucrative than winning the League Cup.
Unai knows what the owners want, unfortunately fans and owners hopes and dreams are different.
Personally I would love us to win a trophy again, but It just doesn’t seem a priority to Unai, which I understand too.

That is the truth.  We all want to see silverware but 4th or maybe 5th is bigger than the League Cup and the FA cup for that matter in terms of income and allowing us to get better players. It would be nice winning something though.

[Chris Smith]

Didn’t help Ten Hag winning 2 trophies.
Success is measured by how much money we’re making, CL is much more lucrative than winning the League Cup.
Unai knows what the owners want, unfortunately fans and owners hopes and dreams are different.
Personally I would love us to win a trophy again, but It just doesn’t seem a priority to Unai, which I understand too.

Of course it’s a priority for the manager, everything in his career to date and statements since he has been here attest to that. He’s also made it clear that this was 4th on his list with the league being the most important.

[DB]

On plus side, the match gave 90mins to Kamara and Mi gs vs decent PL opposition, same also for the 2 back-up full backs. Bigger picture and all that. Ok, so out of a comp but not having more games may well be a blessing.
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[Brazilian Villain]

Didn’t help Ten Hag winning 2 trophies.

It did, it got him a contract extension in the summer.

[tomd2103]

Nothing wrong with the team selection he put out last night, it was packed with internationals.

He is right to be a bit pissed with the performance, both goals down to defensive blunders.

It's not been so much the team selection in the cup ties, it's been the lack of intensity and application on show.  It's an attitude which seems to run through the club when it comes to domestic cups.