Are you worried?

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We repeatedly beat the press over the past few games. The quality of the final ball has been absent, but masquerading your "stop this tippy tappy shit" as something more palatable doesn't really coincide with what's happening on the pitch.

[Chip Butty 111]

For me we have been lacklustre all season. Results have glossed over some poor/average performances. We have now put in a few very poor showings and look like we are going to have our arse handed to us on a plate unless Martinez has a blinder. The upcoming break needs to be time for a mental reset.

[Accent Guy]

I wouldn't say worried as I still think we will improve enough to get a European spot, although I very much doubt we will be back in Champions League next season.

It's becoming quite clear to me that we are a shadow of the team we were last season. Hopefully we turn it around at some point and at least get a Conference League place.

Top 8 finish and last 16 of the CL would be a good season all things considered.

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We're on the same points as 4th and 5th, but its quite clear after a quarter of a season we won't finish in a Champions League spot.

An interesting take.

[Accent Guy]

We're on the same points as 4th and 5th, but its quite clear after a quarter of a season we won't finish in a Champions League spot.

An interesting take.

You have just totally misquoted me in order to make your point. That's called a strawman and is very disingenuous.

If you are going to continue picking at my posts, at least have decency not to make shit up.

What I said is that I "doubt" we will qualify for the Champions League and that it has become "clear to me that we are a worse team than last season."

That is not the same as saying it's clear we won't qualify for the Champions League. Surely you know that?

As an aside, we are a quarter of the way through the season and I am looking at more than just the table. My brain allows me to understand a bit more about football than just a league table. Now, I may be wrong of course, but my assessment of the season so far is that we are lucky to have the points we have, and that's with a fully fit squad and favourable fixture list.

My post even stated that I was not worried as I still think we will make Europe, but unless people post the exact amount of positivity you require, you jump down their throats. It's ok to be more realistic from time to time.

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The substitute for objective data, the table, which can lie I suppose- until the end, is that actually we're just lucky to have the points we do.

Down with data, up with fantasy. The gate keeper of reality too. What a treat.

[ender4]

Now, I may be wrong of course, but my assessment of the season so far is that we are lucky to have the points we have, and that's with a fully fit squad and favourable fixture list.

Interesting. I think the opposite - that we've been unlucky not to have more points.  For example, take away the last 5 seconds of the Bournemouth match and we are in 3rd place 2 points ahead of Arsenal.

Add in the Ipswich game and the Man utd game where we were also unlucky not to finish with wins, that's a lot of unlucky dropped points.

[Risso]

Now, I may be wrong of course, but my assessment of the season so far is that we are lucky to have the points we have, and that's with a fully fit squad and favourable fixture list.

Interesting. I think the opposite - that we've been unlucky not to have more points.  For example, take away the last 5 seconds of the Bournemouth match and we are in 3rd place 2 points ahead of Arsenal.

Add in the Ipswich game and the Man utd game where we were also unlucky not to finish with wins, that's a lot of unlucky dropped points.

I think we were unlucky not to score more against Bournemouth, and our overall play deserved the win. I think both games against Ipswich and Man U were shit, with a draw being a fair result in both. If anything, Ipswich were the better side second half and probably felt they could have won.

[Accent Guy]

Now, I may be wrong of course, but my assessment of the season so far is that we are lucky to have the points we have, and that's with a fully fit squad and favourable fixture list.

Interesting. I think the opposite - that we've been unlucky not to have more points.  For example, take away the last 5 seconds of the Bournemouth match and we are in 3rd place 2 points ahead of Arsenal.

Add in the Ipswich game and the Man utd game where we were also unlucky not to finish with wins, that's a lot of unlucky dropped points.

I think we were unlucky not to score more against Bournemouth, and our overall play deserved the win. I think both games against Ipswich and Man U were shit, with a draw being a fair result in both. If anything, Ipswich were the better side second half and probably felt they could have won.

What I meant was that we have got the majority of our points from scraping past shit teams and struggled whenever we have played anyone decent.

[Risso]

I think overall we deserve the points we have. A bit unlucky against Bournemouth and Arsenal, possibly fortunate against Fulham. Deserved and got fuck all against Spurs.

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We're lucky that we're better than most teams otherwise we wouldn't get so lucky to comfortably breeze past so many shit ones.

[Risso]

I'm sure every team can point to periods of good and bad luck.Over the course of a season you generally finish where you deserve to though.

[cdbearsfan]

We would have beaten Ipswich, and might have beaten Man U, if the referee wasn't a cheat and had sent off their player for an obvious second booking offence. Other points seem about fair. Not really sure which of our points were achieved in a lucky manner. Seems like the creation of a fictional series of events to support an obsessively negative narrative.

[Accent Guy]

We're lucky that we're better than most teams otherwise we wouldn't get so lucky to comfortably breeze past so many shit ones.

Who are the shit teams we have comfortably breezed past?

Or did you just feel the need, yet again, to attack my post?

We haven't comfortably breezed past anyone because if we had then I wouldn't have made the point I made in first place.

[Accent Guy]

We would have beaten Ipswich, and might have beaten Man U, if the referee wasn't a cheat and had sent off their player for an obvious second booking offence. Other points seem about fair. Not really sure which of our points were achieved in a lucky manner. Seems like the creation of a fictional series of events to support an obsessively negative narrative.

An obsessively negative narrative which starts with me saying that I am not worried as I still think we will make Europe?

Wow.

It seems that if we don't all think we are gonna challenge for the title then it's being negative. We haven't played well all season and have had to come from behind several times. And against bottom 6 teams. That's just a fact.

But once again, I am not worried as I think we will turn it around and will be comfortable top 8.

If that's "obesessively negative" then I don't know what to say.