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Re: Villa Reserves and Academy 2024/25 Season
« Reply #255 on: October 09, 2024, 11:45:10 PM »
Hi Cross the Mersey. We were just behind that blonde haired lad, he was a card ! I also spoke to the couple from Bristol, remind me who was their son ? It was a good night. I'm hoping we get into the knock out rounds and get Wrexham away, I've seen the show now I want to visit the film set !

If it was the lad who crossed for the goal I think his name was Burrowes.

Cheers Percy - Hope you are ok buddy - long time no see - you wouldn't recognize VCTM Jnr now !!!

The family were delightful and so proud of their son - as they have every right to be :)

Hello mate, yeah, doing good thanks. Why do they have to grow up eh?

If I know you at all mate, I bet you made a good impression on the family and showed Villa fans in the best possible light.

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Re: Villa Reserves and Academy 2024/25 Season
« Reply #256 on: October 10, 2024, 05:35:57 AM »
I really like this show. It’s not exactly Ali-Parkinson or Frost-Nixon, but it’s very informative if you’ve got time or a really easy job like me:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4IttpJUEO_c

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Re: Villa Reserves and Academy 2024/25 Season
« Reply #257 on: October 11, 2024, 08:25:47 AM »
In case anybody wants tickets for the Barrow game they have to be purchased directly from Barrow.

https://x.com/AVFCSupport/status/1844003998975865006?t=t606Nt_vKGG2iZ21E-gEvA&s=19

Aston Villa Football Club are not offering tickets for the Barrow AFC v Aston Villa U21 fixture.

To secure your tickets, please click the link below to make a direct purchase through Barrow AFC.
https://barrowafc.seatlab.com/events/12-11-2024-19-00-2425-barrow-afc-v-aston-villa-u23-away


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Re: Villa Reserves and Academy 2024/25 Season
« Reply #258 on: October 18, 2024, 08:47:15 AM »
From The Athletic

ASTON VILLA AND A CURIOUS CONTRACT STAND-OFF WITH RORY WILSON

Aston Villa had completed a significant coup when Rory Wilson signed in the summer of 2022.

Among scouting circles and interested clubs, Wilson was rated highly, regarded as a natural goalscorer and archetypal No 9 — a rarity in the modern game — breaking scoring records in Rangers’ academy at the age of 16 and convincing Villa, despite the protracted difficulty in extracting him from his contract, he was more than worth the effort.

Wilson scored 49 goals at youth level the season before he joined Villa. The deal was struck at the eleventh hour after the two clubs avoided Wilson’s future being determined by FIFA’s resolution committee. The Athletic reported the agreed price was worth £350,000 with add-ons potentially increasing the figure to £1million ($1.3m). Within the agreement, Rangers held a 10 per cent sell-on clause.

The dispute centred on Wilson’s amateur contract as a 16-year-old and whether considering his age, if Rangers were only entitled to training compensation. Villa fought hard to land the Scotland youth international, with his arrival garnering internal satisfaction among academy staff. In early January 2023, upon his 17th birthday, Wilson signed his first professional contract until June 30, 2025.

In the intervening period across Villa’s under-18s and under-21s, Wilson has scored 36 times in 53 appearances. At scholarship level especially, his record is outstanding — last season in the under-18s Premier League, Wilson averaged a goal every 64 minutes, netting 16 goals in 13 games. Villa’s academy has continued its upward trajectory in developing precocious talents after winning the FA Youth Cup in 2021 and the striker is one of a considerable number of players seen as having a high technical ceiling.

Ordinarily, such standout form may lead to first-team opportunities under manager Unai Emery. However, the uncertainty encompassing the 18-year-old’s future has formed the backdrop of his progress. Contrary to suggestions that Wilson’s contract situation was the reason behind his absence in Villa’s youthful squad for their Carabao Cup tie against Wycombe Wanderers last month — where 11 academy graduates were included — he had been nursing an ankle injury.

Regardless, talks between the club and the player’s camp, have been fraught and limited his chances to be part of Emery’s setup. With Wilson entering the final year of his contract, Villa have proposed a series of five-year contracts, all of which have been dismissed. Weekly salary offers had reached the five-figure mark and comfortably above, although Villa will not meet salary expectations that are more than double the best-paid player in the academy and more than the first contracts of some members in Villa’s senior squad.

However, the counterpoint is that Wilson’s market value — dictated by what comparable Premier League clubs are buying and offering youngsters of his calibre — is still thought to be more than Villa’s set of proposals. Natural goalscorers like Wilson are similar to left-footed central defenders in being at a premium for clubs, particularly for those recruiting at youth level.

From an ultra-critical viewpoint, the only blot on Emery’s copybook is that he has yet to integrate a homegrown talent and, consequently, evidence of a pathway for a teenager has not been experienced first-hand. Instead, there have been more cases of young players being sold for profit and sustainability (PSR) purposes. Omari Kellyman, who left for Chelsea in a £20million deal this summer, is viewed as the main example. If Wilson were to sign an extension, it would mean he would qualify as a homegrown talent next year and potentially be at risk of being sold to help with PSR.

He has not trained regularly with the first team, indicating he remains some distance away from Emery’s thoughts. Villa’s manager is not averse to trusting young players — it was among the summer’s chief objectives — but given the progress he has led, the gap to bridge for academy players has never been as daunting nor as vast. Naturally, owing to his age and unproven potential, doubts exist as to whether Wilson will be ready for the Premier League over the next few years, physically and technically.

Wilson is only 18, but a five-year contract would take him to an age where he is in the senior squad. Academy manager Mark Harrison has been engaged in contract discussions, but these negotiations cross into first-team matters, with senior figures such as president of football operations Monchi involved.

It has reached an impasse between all parties and contract talks have been shelved, affecting any fading hopes of Wilson being involved in Emery’s squad. Villa will not break its academy salary structure, while the player has several admirers in Europe prepared to provide a first-team pathway and a wage of more than £20,000 a week.

The forward can sign a pre-contract with overseas teams from January onwards and those who have achieved Category 1 academy status would need to pay Villa €270,000 in compensation. This is due to Wilson being at Villa for three years, equating to €90,000 per annum. There is no shortage of suitors and, presently, the only way Wilson commits to his long-term future is through the remote possibility he agrees to Villa’s proposed conditions, which avoids breaking the wage policy. The plain likelihood is Wilson departs.

The youth market is competitive and increasingly lucrative in transfer fees and contracts. This has created a complex debate and, as is the case between Villa and Wilson, a stand-off in a club willing to stand firm on their salary structure and a player who wants to be rewarded with first-team opportunities and a wage they perceive to be their market value.

My thoughts on the situation:
Has he got Billy Big Boots syndrome? Thinking he's already made it and wants regular first team football?

Is he a wunderkind centre forward who at the age of 18, with no first team experience is ready to tear it up.in a major league.

Or is he a badly advised young man who is going to join a club on big wages with big expectations that he fails to fulfill?
« Last Edit: October 18, 2024, 08:49:04 AM by SaddVillan »

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Re: Villa Reserves and Academy 2024/25 Season
« Reply #259 on: October 18, 2024, 09:13:18 AM »
If he's thinking we are only going to sell him anyway, and he might as well choose his own next club (and probably get more wages as they won't have to pay us a massive fee like Chelsea did for Kellyman and Chukwuemeka) you could probably understand that. It's also maybe the case Emery just doesn't rate him that highly given he hasn't even made the bench yet when loads of Academy players have.

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Re: Villa Reserves and Academy 2024/25 Season
« Reply #260 on: October 18, 2024, 09:23:50 AM »
Ive only seen him play once but was left a little non-plussed, he can clearly finish chances but didnt seem the type to play the standard single striker role.

Seems he’ll go as he will earn more elsewhere, we dont think he’s outstanding enough to break the wage structure for and, if we did, we’ll probably look to sell him on anyway for FFP reasons.

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Re: Villa Reserves and Academy 2024/25 Season
« Reply #261 on: October 18, 2024, 09:54:22 AM »
I would suspect he has the usual suspects like Dortmund / Leipzig dangling first team pathways and good packages in front of his advisors…tread the path of Sancho / Bellingham / Lookman / Gittens.

Youth footballers with the people round them you win some you lose some.

If he goes it will be like Chukwuemeka in that it’ll be a ‘what might have been’ rather than losing a player who has made any form of impact with us.

Personally whenever I have seen him in the televised games he has looked a decent finisher but not a lot of exceptional attributes beyond that…might have been a small sample of his games so would be intrigued to see him against first team defenders.

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Re: Villa Reserves and Academy 2024/25 Season
« Reply #262 on: October 18, 2024, 10:00:45 AM »
We'll only get c.£250-£300k for him because he's a youth player. I wonder if we can add in a sell-on clause?

He's out of contract next summer - seems determined to let it run down and "auction" himself off to the highest bidder. Looking back - he did pretty much the same thing when he quit Rangers.

Unai & Co managed to talk Jhon Duran  into staying, but if Wilson is deaf to their advice/guidance/sensible words - then get rid asap.

Duran’s probably doubled his transfer fee and trebled his potential wages (should he move) by listening and learning from Los Tres Amigos.

Wilson would be well advised to to the same, or is he destined to fail like so many before him who've thought the grass outside B6 6HE was greener and paved with gold?

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Re: Villa Reserves and Academy 2024/25 Season
« Reply #263 on: October 18, 2024, 02:37:49 PM »
When you're as good as we are, you won't be held to ransom by an academy prospect.

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Re: Villa Reserves and Academy 2024/25 Season
« Reply #264 on: October 18, 2024, 05:10:25 PM »
True, but at the same time you don't want to let millions of pounds worth of talent go for a pittance. Hopefully we come to some agreement but it doesn't sound massively likely.

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Re: Villa Reserves and Academy 2024/25 Season
« Reply #265 on: October 18, 2024, 08:07:27 PM »
He's far from being a guaranteed success. If he prefers to take his chance elsewhere, so be it. There's plenty of players who did that...some went on to have successful careers, some didn't.

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Re: Villa Reserves and Academy 2024/25 Season
« Reply #266 on: October 18, 2024, 09:36:43 PM »
We've signed Jaylen Bolton from Northampton Town. https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2024/october/18/academy-playerjaylen-/

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Re: Villa Reserves and Academy 2024/25 Season
« Reply #267 on: October 19, 2024, 11:09:41 AM »
Let's hope it goes better than the last player we signed from there.

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Re: Villa Reserves and Academy 2024/25 Season
« Reply #268 on: October 19, 2024, 11:50:09 AM »
The 20m we got for his brother was tidy compensation though

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Re: Villa Reserves and Academy 2024/25 Season
« Reply #269 on: October 21, 2024, 07:38:06 PM »
The Youth League game is being shown on the UEFA.tv app. https://x.com/academyavfc/status/1848430281302139197

 


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