Enzo Barrenechea - on loan at Benfica

[cdbearsfan]

This is an odd one. Juventus fleeced us.

Not in the slightest, I reckon the worst case scenario is that both of them go out on loan and get sold next year and as a minimum we double our money.

Even if we do "double our money", which is doubtful, we'd still only break even at best, considering how cheaply we sold Luiz.

[Dave]

I said in the other thread, I'd be surprised if we had any interest in either of the Juve players prior to them coming in for Luiz.

It's odd though, there are obviously other Juve players that we could have had instead if we weren't that bothered about these two.

McKennie, Soulé, Chiesa, Huijsen were all clearly on the table if we'd been interested in pushing for any of them instead.

[Beard82]

I said in the other thread, I'd be surprised if we had any interest in either of the Juve players prior to them coming in for Luiz.

It's odd though, there are obviously other Juve players that we could have had instead if we weren't that bothered about these two.

McKennie, Soulé, Chiesa, Huijsen were all clearly on the table if we'd been interested in pushing for any of them instead.

I would imagine we couldn't agree on valuations for those.

[Goldenballs]

I said in the other thread, I'd be surprised if we had any interest in either of the Juve players prior to them coming in for Luiz.

It's odd though, there are obviously other Juve players that we could have had instead if we weren't that bothered about these two.

McKennie, Soulé, Chiesa, Huijsen were all clearly on the table if we'd been interested in pushing for any of them instead.

Maybe wages for these chaps would've been an issue? McKennie and Chiesa are likely on more than Enzo and Iling-Junior.

Or they would've fancied a straight swap for McKennie!

[Toronto Villa]

PSR fucked us plus the similar rule governing European competition. Not just having to sell a player like Doug but what we could do in return. We signed instead two promising players for about £10m or so each who at minimum keep their value. And given their age they will hopefully make some kind of profit for us long term whether they play or not. But our hand was forced by what we had to do by June 30th.

[villadelph]

This is an odd one. Juventus fleeced us.

I wouldnt say they fleeced us , more part paid us with a longer term investment

Takes a bit of the romance out of getting excited about new signings

What's worse is the fact that we had to take two young players off their hands, who won't make an immediate impact, to make the Luiz deal work.. and they go and spend €59m on Koopmeiners a few weeks later.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

You have to be impressed with the calibre of club we're sending these lads to, though. Bologna, Valencia...we're now kingpins.

Would be disappointing to see Chea Guevara go out on loan but, as you say, at least it's to someone like Valencia rather than Plymouth.

Yeah, I'm a bit gutted because I like what I've seen but you can't argue that Valencia isn't a really high level to continue learning your trade.

They're not the team they were a few years back, currently they're bottom of the league after two games and look likely to lose again today, away at Athletic. Sounds like they're skint. Could be another relation battle for Enzo, hardly the type of experience we'd want for him. At least he'll be busy.

[Dave]

This is an odd one. Juventus fleeced us.

I wouldnt say they fleeced us , more part paid us with a longer term investment

Takes a bit of the romance out of getting excited about new signings

What's worse is the fact that we had to take two young players off their hands, who won't make an immediate impact, to make the Luiz deal work.. and they go and spend €59m on Koopmeiners a few weeks later.

Good point. If they'd wanted to give us the money it's not like they didn't have it.

DL could easily end up their fourth choice central midfielder.

[rougegorge]

It all seems a bit odd, but I guess Man City , Chelsea, Liverpool etc sign players and fans rarely if ever see them play.

We sell Luiz for less than what he is worth on June 30th and then sign Iling-Junior and Barrenechea the day after (so a new PSR period presumably). They were clearly not signed with a view to improving us in the short term and they may never work out at all, but have the right age profile for future resale.

[Toronto Villa]

This is an odd one. Juventus fleeced us.

I wouldnt say they fleeced us , more part paid us with a longer term investment

Takes a bit of the romance out of getting excited about new signings

What's worse is the fact that we had to take two young players off their hands, who won't make an immediate impact, to make the Luiz deal work.. and they go and spend €59m on Koopmeiners a few weeks later.

Good point. If they'd wanted to give us the money it's not like they didn't have it.

DL could easily end up their fourth choice central midfielder.

There clearly weren’t as many suitors for Doug. As good and sometimes great as he was for us, it was early in the window. And he is only a back up Brazilian international midfielder. So we couldn’t even promote that aspect, compared to say Newcastlle could for Guimares. Even Joelinton gets more games for them. We had to sell someone and took the best deal on the table.

[edgysatsuma89]

You have to be impressed with the calibre of club we're sending these lads to, though. Bologna, Valencia...we're now kingpins.

Would be disappointing to see Chea Guevara go out on loan but, as you say, at least it's to someone like Valencia rather than Plymouth.

Yeah, I'm a bit gutted because I like what I've seen but you can't argue that Valencia isn't a really high level to continue learning your trade.

They're not the team they were a few years back, currently they're bottom of the league after two games and look likely to lose again today, away at Athletic. Sounds like they're skint. Could be another relation battle for Enzo, hardly the type of experience we'd want for him. At least he'll be busy.

Fair point. As long as he gets regular game time though then I'm content with it.

[brontebilly]

I said in the other thread, I'd be surprised if we had any interest in either of the Juve players prior to them coming in for Luiz. We had to make the best of a bad situation and maybe pick a couple we thought we could make money on in the future.

Hopefully it's more about game time and progression for them to play a part with us next season rather than fattening them up for a quick FFP win.

Either way, as long as it benefits us in the end I suppose it doesn't matter, but do think we're leaving ourselves a bit short.

I think it's concerning that Emery didn't think either of the two Juve players were up to playing regularly for us in the PL or Europe this season. It isn't like Spurs when they got in Bentancur and Kulusevski and they were straight into their team (can't recall who they sold at the time). I don't think any of us thought Dobbin would play a minute for us.

Luiz is a huge loss but Tielemans has had a solid start replacing him in that role, set pieces certainly have been on par so far. Barkley is there as his backup. Kamara and Onana for the other spot. McGinn can drop in there too. Decent coverage in CM.

[Dave]

I think it's concerning that Emery didn't think either of the two Juve players were up to playing regularly for us in the PL or Europe this season. It isn't like Spurs when they got in Bentancur and Kulusevski and they were straight into their team (can't recall who they sold at the time).

They didn't really sell anyone who was linked to those deals. They just happened to be two players that they were interested in

[Somniloquism]

The bought Bentancur and at the same time took Kulusevski on an 18month loan with the option to buy which they did 18 months later. So not the same deals at all.

(According to transfermarkt, the last time a Spurs player went to Juve was in 1957).

[villadelph]

I think it's concerning that Emery didn't think either of the two Juve players were up to playing regularly for us in the PL or Europe this season. It isn't like Spurs when they got in Bentancur and Kulusevski and they were straight into their team (can't recall who they sold at the time).

They didn't really sell anyone who was linked to those deals. They just happened to be two players that they were interested in

We should've held out for Soulé. A €3.6m difference in the cumulative cost of Enzo and Iling Jr. and what Juve sold him to Roma for. At the time, they claimed him to be untouchable.. then they sell him to a rival four weeks later.

Juve are dirty.