Standard of Refereeing

[The Edge]

I was sat in the Trinity and I haven't seen the tv footage yet. Both my son's were watching the game at home on TV. They both said that the ball looked out but there's no definitive angle to confirm it.

[WassallVillain]

Still raging and posted this in the post-match thread:

There needs to be clarification of that decision today, as I can't see how it can be argued that the officials followed the proper process. 

1. How far do you go back to check decisions?  Even the explanation they put on the screen was wrong as it said it had "occurred in an attacking phase of play" when Bailey was in fact defending by his own goal line

2. Is that a precedent now that everything needs to be checked when a goal is scored?

3. The VAR officials haven't got the technology to make a definitive decision in those circumstances, so are in fact just guessing and therefore how can that deemed a 'clear and obvious error'?

4. The VAR official made a subjective decision that overruled the on-field decision made by the officials.  Surely in those circumstances the ref should be called to the screen to look at it as well?

To end up having a VAR official looking at something for ages and then just guessing isn't acceptable.  Not when these decisions can be so costly  as we saw with the one at Old Trafford last season. 

Even the explanation they gave for the decision was wrong.  It would be interesting to hear the audio of the conversation between the officials.

Didn’t they say the ball was “factually” out of play. How can they say that if it is not obviously out of play and if it was. What took so long.

[john2710]

Is the ball out of play, probably. Is there proof that it is, no. The on-field decision should have stood. Until today, I thought those were the rules.

[ez]

I thought once the referee gave the goal it was up to var to prove the ball was definitely out which they didn't do.

[dave.woodhall]

I've never thought the game was intrinsically corrupt. I've always thought the main reason for VAR was to get clicks and hits. I've changed my mind.

[Skipper_The_Eyechild]

I was sat in the Trinity and I haven't seen the tv footage yet. Both my son's were watching the game at home on TV. They both said that the ball looked out but there's no definitive angle to confirm it.

I'm incredibly confident that it was out but yeah, there is nothing definitve to prove it.

[WassallVillain]

I thought once the referee gave the goal it was up to var to prove the ball was definitely out which they didn't do.

It was right in front of me and it probably was out, marginally, but that is not definitely out and it seems that they cannot prove it was definitely so.   

[astonvilla82]

The VAR and referees are there to apply the laws of the game, not to think

[frank black]

Should we be disallowing this based upon probability?

If I were the ref, I’d be asking VAR does it cross the line? Can it be verified? Response “looks like it probably did” “no conclusive image can be found”. OK I’m sticking with the goal. It’s really not that difficult

[Nev]

Whether the ball was out or not isn't the issue, the whole thing hinges on where phases of play start and end and how far back the scrutiny goes. While that is a loveable feast no one knows where they stand.

But I can tell you this, we stand behind plenty others by the looks of things.

[Beard82]

The thing is if you look at it and the corner flag - and if the ball rolled in a straight line you would have to be 100% sure it would not brush the corner flag to rule it out.  And I dont think anyone can from the angle we saw

[AlexAlexCropley]

Unless there is line technology a la goal line; the on field decision should have stood.
I was hoping the ref was going to stick to his guns.

[Meanwood Villa]

Going back to an earlier comment, the ref said the ball was "factually" out of play. Very strange use of word and, I would argue, not true as there was no definitive angle to prove it. The commentator also said something about VAR "recommending" the goal be disallowed. Bizarre and annoying.

[Goldenballs]

It looked out, but so do a lot of things and when you see them from another angle, part of the ball is over part of the line.

I'd love them to show me how that factually wasn't the case, unless they've got another secret angle we haven't seen. If the goal had stood it would barely have been mentioned.

[Ads]

They've guessed. There is no evidence it was out, so you've guessed.