Standard of Refereeing

[Russ aka Big Nose]

The commentators can hear VAR dialogue or are at least informed of what is being said by a producer. This isn't really new, they reference it often.

I don't think this is the case. I believe they get a message/signal (possibly even something colour coded as I've heard some say, "it's gone white") to say something is being reviewed and then that it is cleared OR decision given, e.g., goal stands or ruled out.

This would explain how the TV commentary can sometimes reference something like like, "it's going to stand" or "United/Liverpool/Chelsea will be delighted with this news" before or at the same time as the referee signals the outcome.

The audio is only every released in very exceptional circumstances and then only if there has been a lot of noise from one or more of the 'big' clubs. I could be wrong.

[paul_e]

The commentators can hear VAR dialogue or are at least informed of what is being said by a producer. This isn't really new, they reference it often.

I don't think this is the case. I believe they get a message/signal (possibly even something colour coded as I've heard some say, "it's gone white") to say something is being reviewed and then that it is cleared OR decision given, e.g., goal stands or ruled out.

This would explain how the TV commentary can sometimes reference something like like, "it's going to stand" or "United/Liverpool/Chelsea will be delighted with this news" before or at the same time as the referee signals the outcome.

The audio is only every released in very exceptional circumstances and then only if there has been a lot of noise from one or more of the 'big' clubs. I could be wrong.

I think you're right. If anyone outside of PGMOL heard the conversations we'd know a lot more than we do about the controversial ones becuase there's no chance there wouldn't be someone taking note of everything being said to use in the post game discussions.

[Skipper_The_Eyechild]

Sorry, I didn't think they hear the mechanics of the decision but I've definitely heard 'the ref has been told [to give it etc]' so maybe that is them just elaborating on knowing the decision before we do rather then actually hearing it, a bit of artistic licence.

[Rigadon]

It’s not a conspiracy, but it does a bloody good impression of one at times this season. Chelsea got more penalties in one game than half the league clubs have had all season (obvs we have had zero).

The one on Buendia yesterday blew my mind.  Did I see it right? It looked like a very obvious shove.  Same thing on Rogers a few weeks ago.  The refereeing yesterday was awful. Also the late calls on obvious offsides that nearly crocked Konsa.  Add that to the allowing th game to flow nonsense that seems to keep crocking our best players. 

[Holte132]

SSN said the shove on Buendia was outside the area

[Rigadon]

I don’t think it was and even so, it wasn’t given as a foul. 

[Holte132]

I don’t think it was and even so, it wasn’t given as a foul. 

I agree with you. Didn't make that clear.

[Brazilian Villain]

The one on Buendia yesterday blew my mind.  Did I see it right? It looked like a very obvious shove. 

It was more of a penalty than the second Chelsea one. I strongly suspect it would have been given to one of the Scab Six.

[AlexAlexCropley]

The one on Buendia yesterday blew my mind.  Did I see it right? It looked like a very obvious shove. 

It was more of a penalty than the second Chelsea one. I strongly suspect it would have been given to one of the Scab Six.

Or the Newcastle one

[Mellin]

Excluding excessive force etc, but a barge from the side isn't a foul. A barge from behind is. That simple. It is a penalty. I'm not too bothered because we were shit, but it is categorically a pen.

[LeeB]

Excluding excessive force etc, but a barge from the side isn't a foul. A barge from behind is. That simple. It is a penalty. I'm not too bothered because we were shit, but it is categorically a pen.

If a defender is under a dropping ball and an attacker nudges them without going for the ball, it's a free kick every time, but apparently the other way around, in the area with an opportunity to score then it's fair game.

[lovejoy]

The Trippier pull on the Brentford player yesterday as he ran through seemed an obvious foul to me but VAR reviewed and cleared it. Is shirt pulling allowed now and how long does it need to be for it not to be minimal?
I think pushing and pulling in the box for a corner has a whiff of 50/50 about it but when a guy is bearing down on goal and gets pulled back that cannot be minimal can it? I think the critical point here was that it was so early in the game a red and penalty would have been too decisive a decision for them to make so they bottled it. Same thing happens on the half way line after 60 minutes and it is a foul all day long.

[Brend'Watkins]

What is now allowed in the prem wouldn’t necessarily be allowed in Europe or International level. This rule change is doing us no favours and certainly not penalising some fouls doesn’t make for a better spectacle.

[ChicagoLion]

What is now allowed in the prem wouldn’t necessarily be allowed in Europe or International level. This rule change is doing us no favours and certainly not penalising some fouls doesn’t make for a better spectacle.

It’s favouring the cloggers and penalising flair.
It’s an awful development and providing refs even more cover for influencing the outcomes.

[LeonW]

The push on Buendia was another shocking decision. It’s a clear opportunity for a shot on goal with the keeper having already made a save low down. It’s a foul for a multitude of reasons;

• The Bournemouth player cannot play the ball without going through Buendia to get it.
• The Bournemouth player gets a clear advantage by pushing Buendia without playing the ball.
• The Bournemouth player prevents a clear opportunity for Buendia through his action without playing the ball.

And then about 2 minutes later and an even lesser push by Watkins on a Bournemouth player and the whistle goes: foul.

Then you see Chelsea’s second penalty yesterday which is even less of a push.

Every week we’re getting a critical decision go against us and it just goes on and on. 2 nil yesterday and Bournemouth aren’t coming back. The Abraham goal gets given last week 5 minutes into the second half against 10 men and it’s likely brentford fold.

It’s not a conspiracy, it’s just really poor and inconsistent officiating where they have a video replay system they’ve enforce stupid rules on how and when it’s used. There’s no doubt that the officials will be influenced by who and for decisions get given against and the ensuing grief that may come there way. Or even to protect their mates. That interview with Mike Riley where he said he didn’t give a decision from VAR because he didn’t want his mate to get grief says it all.