Standard of Refereeing

[Brend'Watkins]

Whenever I see Howard Webb, the referee chief, on tele he's always going on about how his team are always looking for ways to improve things for refs and fans, but I've yet to hear him mention about the farce that goes on in the penalty box, when a corner is given.

Too right. Why should the ref be obliged to warn players about their actions? If he deems an incident is a foul one way or another just give it. That will put an end to it.

[Exeter 77]

The explanations on what a ref will and won't accept should cone before a game and then enforced accordingly.

[Pat McMahon]

I thought he was decent today, let a lot go for both sides which allowed the game to flow reasonably well.

My one complaint of our boys today was they were throwing themselves to the floor under any contact in penalty box, we’d be better staying on our feet and trying to score.

Viewed from the Holte upper, so 100m away in the first half, I thought it looked like we dived a few times in the first half to try to win penalties. MOTD showed none of them so no idea if we were diving or robbed.

[Somniloquism]

I thought he was decent today, let a lot go for both sides which allowed the game to flow reasonably well.

My one complaint of our boys today was they were throwing themselves to the floor under any contact in penalty box, we’d be better staying on our feet and trying to score.

Viewed from the Holte upper, so 100m away in the first half, I thought it looked like we dived a few times in the first half to try to win penalties. MOTD showed none of them so no idea if we were diving or robbed.

Sky Sports highlights showed the Rogers one. It does look like two hands in his back.

[Gareth]

Whenever I see Howard Webb, the referee chief, on tele he's always going on about how his team are always looking for ways to improve things for refs and fans, but I've yet to hear him mention about the farce that goes on in the penalty box, when a corner is given.

Man with cushiest job in football….never ever questioned on standards of officials.

[cdward]

I thought he was decent today, let a lot go for both sides which allowed the game to flow reasonably well.

My one complaint of our boys today was they were throwing themselves to the floor under any contact in penalty box, we’d be better staying on our feet and trying to score.

Viewed from the Holte upper, so 100m away in the first half, I thought it looked like we dived a few times in the first half to try to win penalties. MOTD showed none of them so no idea if we were diving or robbed.

Sky Sports highlights showed the Rogers one. It does look like two hands in his back.

It definitely was 2 hands in the back, but the way Rogers falls was not realistic. A push in the back will cause you to stumble forward, Rogers throws his feet backwards to fall, just doesn't look natural, and ref right not to give it

[PaulWinch again]

I’d agree with that. Didn’t really feel like a pen to me.

[cdbearsfan]

I thought he was decent today, let a lot go for both sides which allowed the game to flow reasonably well.

My one complaint of our boys today was they were throwing themselves to the floor under any contact in penalty box, we’d be better staying on our feet and trying to score.

Viewed from the Holte upper, so 100m away in the first half, I thought it looked like we dived a few times in the first half to try to win penalties. MOTD showed none of them so no idea if we were diving or robbed.

Sky Sports highlights showed the Rogers one. It does look like two hands in his back.

It definitely was 2 hands in the back, but the way Rogers falls was not realistic. A push in the back will cause you to stumble forward, Rogers throws his feet backwards to fall, just doesn't look natural, and ref right not to give it

So, by the same logic, it shouldn't have been a push against Rogers in the second half, when their bloke collapsed in a heap and grabbed the ball, so we should have had a penalty for handball.

[ChicagoLion]

The gap between the profesionalim of the sport and the competence of the officials is the greatest of any sport.
It looks like they have created through VAR and their new supposedly random interpretations of the laws the ability to arbitrarily decide the outcomes of games and to hide behind the vagueness of those interpretations.

[LeeB]

I thought he was decent today, let a lot go for both sides which allowed the game to flow reasonably well.

My one complaint of our boys today was they were throwing themselves to the floor under any contact in penalty box, we’d be better staying on our feet and trying to score.

Viewed from the Holte upper, so 100m away in the first half, I thought it looked like we dived a few times in the first half to try to win penalties. MOTD showed none of them so no idea if we were diving or robbed.

Sky Sports highlights showed the Rogers one. It does look like two hands in his back.

It definitely was 2 hands in the back, but the way Rogers falls was not realistic. A push in the back will cause you to stumble forward, Rogers throws his feet backwards to fall, just doesn't look natural, and ref right not to give it

So, by the same logic, it shouldn't have been a push against Rogers in the second half, when their bloke collapsed in a heap and grabbed the ball, so we should have had a penalty for handball.

He falls and grabs the ball in the box with no whistle having been blown.

No different to Tyrone picking up the ball in Bruges.

[The Edge]

The gap between the profesionalim of the sport and the competence of the officials is the greatest of any sport.
It looks like they have created through VAR and their new supposedly random interpretations of the laws the ability to arbitrarily decide the outcomes of games and to hide behind the vagueness of those interpretations.

Well put. A perfect example of this was the "offside" Liverpool goal at Fulham that was allowed to stand because apparently there's an inbuilt allowance of 5cm to account for imperfections in the var system. Strange that when in other games they're willing to use the width of a toe nail or a nasal hair to decide an outcome! I'm amazed that the multi billionaires that own some of the clubs allow VAR to affect the outcome of games depending on the whims of whoever happens to be in charge on the day.

[Somniloquism]

There has been a vaguness in interpretations since the "rules" were laid out in the 1800's. It is nothing new at all.

As for the 5 cms. It has been there in England for a few years and just means they use thicker lines to account for the frame hit of the ball not being picked up if between frames. All the clubs asked for it to be extended even more for this season.

[walsall villain]

The gap between the profesionalim of the sport and the competence of the officials is the greatest of any sport.
It looks like they have created through VAR and their new supposedly random interpretations of the laws the ability to arbitrarily decide the outcomes of games and to hide behind the vagueness of those interpretations.

Well put. A perfect example of this was the "offside" Liverpool goal at Fulham that was allowed to stand because apparently there's an inbuilt allowance of 5cm to account for imperfections in the var system. Strange that when in other games they're willing to use the width of a toe nail or a nasal hair to decide an outcome! I'm amazed that the multi billionaires that own some of the clubs allow VAR to affect the outcome of games depending on the whims of whoever happens to be in charge on the day.

They overruled the on pitch decision. I thought it had to be a clear and obvious error to do that. It looked offside so they had no right to change it. Incompetent or bent or both.

[Somniloquism]

Offside check is a clear and obvious decision though. Someone either is or isn't and the offside flag on the field would only make a difference ONLY if the tech couldn't make a decision because of players blocking the camera views. I definitely wouldn't be basing a decision on lines of mowed grass or camera angles (unless fully lined up) as I doubt the groundsmen use use calibrated equipment to ensure a line is fully 90degrees to the sidelines.

[ChicagoLion]

The gap between the profesionalim of the sport and the competence of the officials is the greatest of any sport.
It looks like they have created through VAR and their new supposedly random interpretations of the laws the ability to arbitrarily decide the outcomes of games and to hide behind the vagueness of those interpretations.

Well put. A perfect example of this was the "offside" Liverpool goal at Fulham that was allowed to stand because apparently there's an inbuilt allowance of 5cm to account for imperfections in the var system. Strange that when in other games they're willing to use the width of a toe nail or a nasal hair to decide an outcome! I'm amazed that the multi billionaires that own some of the clubs allow VAR to affect the outcome of games depending on the whims of whoever happens to be in charge on the day.

It’s strange isn’t it that theses “ marginal “ decisions allways seem to favour certain clubs. Arsenal appear to be a main beneficiary.
As someone on here said, not sending Merino off meant there would not be the uproar if that had proved a pivotal decision. They gave the goal despite an obvious foul on Martinez.
Some of the stuff going on with PGMOL is incompetence but it’s beginning to look like more sinister motives are at play.