Next FAB meeting

[VillaTim]

GA = Economy seating.

[Drummond]

Dave I believe you should go or send someone else. I'll go if you don't want to.

There's no point withdrawing, unless there's a unanimous decision with all fan reps, but I still don't think it's the way to go.

Better would be to I evolve the FSA wouldn't it? Walk away when complaints have been made and other bodies involved.

[Exeter 77]

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Should I do that? It's a serious question.

I think it is a matter of whether you see it as better being 'sort of' on the inside with minimal influence or being outside the whole thing with no influence at all. If you don't see the meetings as a good use of your, or any other H&V rep's time, time the decision is fairly obvious. From the outside however it may look as 'flouncing off' (horrible term - sorry) and something which could be used against you/H&V in the future should the meetings become relevant again.

As a disclaimer the idea of Dave flouncing off from anything is ludicrous as I just can't imagine it at all.

[pablo_picasso]

How about turning up but placing in a letter of complaint about how you feel the last meeting went?

You could publicly release the letter on here & any responses you might get, be they verbal or otherwise.

If you felt the last one went poorly, of course.

That way, you are still keeping the dialogue open but you are forcing them to deal with any potential issues you see arise...

I don't know, maybe that only works if everybody does it.

Either way, if you feel unhappy about how they are going, that needs to be highlighted to the club somehow, in a way that allows for transparency on behalf of everybody involved...

[ender4]

I know Jon Fear gets a bad rap at times, but he's got the right idea in my opinion and told them that his group will have nothing more to do with the meetings.

Should I do that? It's a serious question.

Hi, i hardly ever post on here but have been reading the site pretty much every day for many years.

I think it's important that H&V have a representative at the table, even if Villa don't treat the meetings seriously.
Over time you'd hope certain messages and sentiment get through to Villa management and it's better to be involved in that process rather than not. 

Of course, if you don't have time or the inclination, that's fine... but i'd hope that someone else from H&V could take up the 'position' on your behalf.

[Scratchins]

I know Jon Fear gets a bad rap at times, but he's got the right idea in my opinion and told them that his group will have nothing more to do with the meetings.

Should I do that? It's a serious question.

Hi, i hardly ever post on here but have been reading the site pretty much every day for many years.

I think it's important that H&V have a representative at the table, even if Villa don't treat the meetings seriously.
Over time you'd hope certain messages and sentiment get through to Villa management and it's better to be involved in that process rather than not. 

Of course, if you don't have time or the inclination, that's fine... but i'd hope that someone else from H&V could take up the 'position' on your behalf.

I agree, not to go could be accused of not being interested.

[Dogtanian]

How about turning up but placing in a letter of complaint about how you feel the last meeting went?

Personally, I feel that these things will only make the situation worse. If the meeting is to become productive then there needs to be a movement toward de-escalation.

If you're seen as the enemy, you get treated like the enemy. And that's true for both camps.

It seems to me the whole group is trapped in the whatever we do, they're just going to complain / whatever we say, they're not going to listen cycle.

When I've been in situations like this I have always tried to have open and honest conversations with people about what is going wrong. I also make effort to be supportive and positive wherever possible and to be diplomatic and tactful where there are problems.

But it takes time and commitment to build up the trust and relationships required to work together.

The question I would have is whether the different fan group representatives are capable of working like this and together? Or do they have their own agendas and do some of them want to be seen to be fighting the good fight?

[dicedlam]

Should I do that? It's a serious question.

Personally, I think we should still have a H&V representative attend. However, I would let it be known through whatever media outlets available that the site and its posters do not like the manner and tone in which the meetings are conducted.

In the case of topics which are highlighted as high priority, could the minutes not include points made and to whom is accountable for its actions? Then re-visited at the next meeting before aob is discussed?

[eamonn]

Does anyone know if other clubs fanbases  are happy with their versions of these types of meetings and the output they receive from them?

[pablo_picasso]

How about turning up but placing in a letter of complaint about how you feel the last meeting went?

Personally, I feel that these things will only make the situation worse. If the meeting is to become productive then there needs to be a movement toward de-escalation.

If you're seen as the enemy, you get treated like the enemy. And that's true for both camps.

It seems to me the whole group is trapped in the whatever we do, they're just going to complain / whatever we say, they're not going to listen cycle.

When I've been in situations like this I have always tried to have open and honest conversations with people about what is going wrong. I also make effort to be supportive and positive wherever possible and to be diplomatic and tactful where there are problems.

But it takes time and commitment to build up the trust and relationships required to work together.

The question I would have is whether the different fan group representatives are capable of working like this and together? Or do they have their own agendas and do some of them want to be seen to be fighting the good fight?

Oh, absolutely, some tact would be needed.

But I do think that if they are unaware of any potential unhappiness, even if it is fairly obvious, they can always fall back on "we didn't know there was a problem".

Communication is key, but it has to be honest.

From both sides...

[nick harper]

How about turning up but placing in a letter of complaint about how you feel the last meeting went?

Personally, I feel that these things will only make the situation worse. If the meeting is to become productive then there needs to be a movement toward de-escalation.

If you're seen as the enemy, you get treated like the enemy. And that's true for both camps.

It seems to me the whole group is trapped in the whatever we do, they're just going to complain / whatever we say, they're not going to listen cycle.

When I've been in situations like this I have always tried to have open and honest conversations with people about what is going wrong. I also make effort to be supportive and positive wherever possible and to be diplomatic and tactful where there are problems.

But it takes time and commitment to build up the trust and relationships required to work together.

The question I would have is whether the different fan group representatives are capable of working like this and together? Or do they have their own agendas and do some of them want to be seen to be fighting the good fight?

Given the premier league insist on the meetings and open communication with fans as part of good governance, do they have a role to play as an independent arbiter to ensure these issues are resolved, or at least addressed? It feels like the fans have nowhere to go if they feel the FAB is not serving its purpose.

I can’t believe we are the only club where the meetings have failed to achieve their objective.

[pauliewalnuts]

I think we should find another way to protest.

Like, send Tim as our representative.






only joking, Tim.

[Risso]

Let's send Team Footy.

Agenda item 1 - a ban on all smut, filth, innuendo and general ribaldry at all times in the stands. A huge klaxon to be installed to cover up the swears.

[pauliewalnuts]

Let's send Team Footy.

Agenda item 1 - a ban on all smut, filth, innuendo and general ribaldry at all times in the stands. A huge klaxon to be installed to cover up the swears.

Ability to share one season ticket amongst five people, much like a H&V login.

[Olneythelonely]

A transfer policy where we only sign completely wholesome players. Immediately sell Martinez for disrespectfully shagging a trophy.