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Re: Aston Villa vs Nottingham Forest pre-match thread
« Reply #90 on: February 22, 2024, 11:09:51 AM »
Iroegunam starting ahead of Tielemans would be like starting Duran and putting Watkins on the bench. Just not happening.

Not really because they'd both be in their normal position whereas playing Tielemans deep doesn't really suit him or play to his strengths so if you pick him you have to move McGinn deeper. The argument isn't directly between the 2 but more about how either of them impacts the overall setup of the midfield. Iroegbunam is a better fit to repalce Kamara but is very inexperienced and, I suspect, Emery is trying to keep the pressure off him for now.
It would be great to have that option as a direct replacement for Kamara, so hopefully Tim gets game time and is up to it.
but it wont be starting him Saturday.

Nope, because it would be a big ask for him to come in and take on all the stuff Kamara brings to the team after playing about half an hour of senior football all season. All I was getting at is that it's a lot more complicated than a like-for-like swap.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Nottingham Forest pre-match thread
« Reply #91 on: February 22, 2024, 11:12:23 AM »
Iroegunam starting ahead of Tielemans would be like starting Duran and putting Watkins on the bench. Just not happening.

Not really because they'd both be in their normal position whereas playing Tielemans deep doesn't really suit him or play to his strengths so if you pick him you have to move McGinn deeper. The argument isn't directly between the 2 but more about how either of them impacts the overall setup of the midfield. Iroegbunam is a better fit to repalce Kamara but is very inexperienced and, I suspect, Emery is trying to keep the pressure off him for now.
It would be great to have that option as a direct replacement for Kamara, so hopefully Tim gets game time and is up to it.
but it wont be starting him Saturday.

Nope, because it would be a big ask for him to come in and take on all the stuff Kamara brings to the team after playing about half an hour of senior football all season. All I was getting at is that it's a lot more complicated than a like-for-like swap.
I agree and we dont have any idea how good or able Tim is.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Nottingham Forest pre-match thread
« Reply #92 on: February 22, 2024, 11:53:13 AM »
Iroegunam starting ahead of Tielemans would be like starting Duran and putting Watkins on the bench. Just not happening.

Not really because they'd both be in their normal position whereas playing Tielemans deep doesn't really suit him or play to his strengths so if you pick him you have to move McGinn deeper. The argument isn't directly between the 2 but more about how either of them impacts the overall setup of the midfield. Iroegbunam is a better fit to repalce Kamara but is very inexperienced and, I suspect, Emery is trying to keep the pressure off him for now.
This isn't Championship Manager on the PC.
The team is picking itself at the moment and you don't leave senior Belgium international players on the bench to give a Rookie a go. Ridiculous idea.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Nottingham Forest pre-match thread
« Reply #93 on: February 22, 2024, 11:58:19 AM »
Iroegunam starting ahead of Tielemans would be like starting Duran and putting Watkins on the bench. Just not happening.

Not really because they'd both be in their normal position whereas playing Tielemans deep doesn't really suit him or play to his strengths so if you pick him you have to move McGinn deeper. The argument isn't directly between the 2 but more about how either of them impacts the overall setup of the midfield. Iroegbunam is a better fit to repalce Kamara but is very inexperienced and, I suspect, Emery is trying to keep the pressure off him for now.
This isn't Championship Manager on the PC.
The team is picking itself at the moment and you don't leave senior Belgium international players on the bench to give a Rookie a go. Ridiculous idea.

Except managers do exactly that all the time (to rest players, to give kids some experience, to balance the team better and many other reasons), being a manager is a bit more complicated than picking the 11 best players available every week.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Nottingham Forest pre-match thread
« Reply #94 on: February 22, 2024, 12:31:22 PM »
I think we’ll play Tielemans, because I suspect Forest will play a low block and Tielemans is very good at finding gaps where others can’t.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Nottingham Forest pre-match thread
« Reply #95 on: February 22, 2024, 01:00:43 PM »
I think we’ll play Tielemans, because I suspect Forest will play a low block and Tielemans is very good at finding gaps where others can’t.

Has a decent shot on him too. He will start for sure. These are the games we bought him to make a difference in.

Konsa and Duran still out, we don't do small niggles.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Nottingham Forest pre-match thread
« Reply #96 on: February 22, 2024, 01:10:33 PM »
I think we’ll play Tielemans, because I suspect Forest will play a low block and Tielemans is very good at finding gaps where others can’t.

True but as good as he can be, my concern is he disappears far too often. He needs to have a big performance on Saturday, we can't be relying on McGinn and Dougie to do all the work.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Nottingham Forest pre-match thread
« Reply #97 on: February 22, 2024, 01:36:12 PM »
I think we’ll play Tielemans, because I suspect Forest will play a low block and Tielemans is very good at finding gaps where others can’t.
Is a low block the same as sitting deep or parking the bus or defending in numbers? This new fangled terminology gets on my wick. But that's probably just my age.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Nottingham Forest pre-match thread
« Reply #98 on: February 22, 2024, 01:49:51 PM »
I think we’ll play Tielemans, because I suspect Forest will play a low block and Tielemans is very good at finding gaps where others can’t.
Is a low block the same as sitting deep or parking the bus or defending in numbers? This new fangled terminology gets on my wick. But that's probably just my age.

Me too. I've only just understood linking the play.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Nottingham Forest pre-match thread
« Reply #99 on: February 22, 2024, 01:58:22 PM »
I think we’ll play Tielemans, because I suspect Forest will play a low block and Tielemans is very good at finding gaps where others can’t.
Is a low block the same as sitting deep or parking the bus or defending in numbers? This new fangled terminology gets on my wick. But that's probably just my age.

Me too. I've only just understood linking the play.
Playing between the lines is so passe now.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Nottingham Forest pre-match thread
« Reply #100 on: February 22, 2024, 02:26:29 PM »
I think we’ll play Tielemans, because I suspect Forest will play a low block and Tielemans is very good at finding gaps where others can’t.

Good point.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Nottingham Forest pre-match thread
« Reply #101 on: February 22, 2024, 02:30:34 PM »
I like between the lines as a phrase because it correctly identifies what almost every tactic is trying to achieve, if you can get players into positions where defenders don't want or expect them to be then you'll generally be pretty successful.

Pretty much every other term used by the football hipsters (low block, etc) is just a new badge on a well established concept. When did the offside trap become a high line, and why? I don't mind it as much as some but I do find it a bit strange that people felt the need to do it.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Nottingham Forest pre-match thread
« Reply #102 on: February 22, 2024, 02:49:10 PM »
Awoniyi apparently has a knock, so Origi may start.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Nottingham Forest pre-match thread
« Reply #103 on: February 22, 2024, 03:00:12 PM »
Awoniyi apparently has a knock, so Origi may start.

That wouldn't disappoint me.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Nottingham Forest pre-match thread
« Reply #104 on: February 22, 2024, 03:16:50 PM »
I think we’ll play Tielemans, because I suspect Forest will play a low block and Tielemans is very good at finding gaps where others can’t.
Is a low block the same as sitting deep or parking the bus or defending in numbers? This new fangled terminology gets on my wick. But that's probably just my age.

Me too. I've only just understood linking the play.

Playing with and without the ball

With the ball - trying to keep the ball
Without the ball - running around try to get the ball

 


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