Aston Villa 1-3 Newcastle Post match cry

[brontebilly]

Playing out from the back has become ineffective. The defenders get pushed back into the corners and the midfielders don't make themselves available.

Midfielders like Luiz are being pressed hard, especially first 20 mins last night and again v Chelsea until they tired. Longstaff on his back basically. It's like what we did to Brighton earlier this season. But teams can't sustain it and I thought Luiz had a strong first half generally. Before they scored we had a very good spell in possession  in midfield but got little or nothing from Tielemans, both full backs and both forwards, Diaby painfully passing up a couple of shots.

I think the tactical issue playing from back is cumulative too. Torres out is huge as Lenglet is nowhere near as comfortable stepping out. His first touch was very ropey from the off last night. Kamara also worries me with his back to the play. I think the near misses against Chelsea rocked confidence a bit. Cash getting caught for the third goal being another example, we had players making decisions on the ball last night the haven't done all season. Also if you are playing two up top and getting pressed, your front two have to a lot more to get us up the pitch. Our front two in the first half were simply awful. Every time we went long it was like kicking the ball off a wall. Simply put Emery had to move Diaby early on to the left wing and moved Tielemans inside and kept us a lot more solid against their counter attacks down the flanks. If even for 10-15 mins.

[London Villan]

This may have been mentioned, but last season's battering of Newcastle was built on NOT playing from the back and putting McGinn on Dan Burn, who he turned inside out, as the passes were on the floor (as Bailey did until they went 5 at the back). Firing high passes to Cash and Diaby last night just made it too easy for him to defend.

 

[ChicagoLion]

I agree that the atmosphere was crap and its normally electric at night when we need a win. Don't know why, I'm guessing a lot if us feel that we are on the verge of chucking the great season away and the nerves take hold?

I know what doesn't help, the god awful racket pumping out of the speakers right up until they kick off. No time to build a ground wide atmosphere.

i said exactly the same thing last night about the stadium noise taking over the crowd

One of my pet hates, it really is so annoying.

[RamboandBruno]

I said to my son before kick off, we needed to start fast, like Fulham, Luton and numerous other games, just felt we needed to.impose ourselves straight away given their physicality but also their relatively low confidence away from home. But McGinn aside we were passive from the off. As others have said, I couldnt fathom Diaby starting ahead of Bailey and that's not hindsight! And other than 10 mins after we scored Doug was anonymous.

And I agree with Boozey re the crowd and I'm not being the better fan, it was flat and  smattering of boos at half time.

Need impose ourselves against Sheffield.

[tomd2103]

I think Moreno was effective last season because he combined well with Ramsey.

Moreno has looked way off the pace since his return.  More than that, his body language has been poor at times and it looks like he hasn't established any kind of rapport with Lenglet. 

[simon ward 50]

I can take losing, but I thought the manner of the defeat was poor.

Tactics seemed wrong from the start as we surely needed Bailey on from the first minute so we could utilise the diagonal ball out wide like they did? Our play seemed ponderous at best as there were no runners from midfield and our high line looked vulnerable.

I don't understand the comments from some in the media that we were tired as we had one more days rest than Newcastle and didn't have to travel for the second time in three days.

A response in the next few games is needed.

[tomd2103]

I said to my son before kick off, we needed to start fast, like Fulham, Luton and numerous other games, just felt we needed to.impose ourselves straight away given their physicality but also their relatively low confidence away from home. But McGinn aside we were passive from the off. As others have said, I couldnt fathom Diaby starting ahead of Bailey and that's not hindsight! And other than 10 mins after we scored Doug was anonymous.

And I agree with Boozey re the crowd and I'm not being the better fan, it was flat and  smattering of boos at half time.

Need impose ourselves against Sheffield.

Bailey starting would have meant a different formation and is probably why Emery went with Diaby.

[john e]

There was nothing for the fans get behind though for the first hour
I mean I was saying to my son, just give us something anything I’m not talking about goals or big shots from range, I’m saying anything where you can start to get behind a team with

One of the big problems is if there is a 50-50 chance of a ball going forward or backwards. We always take the backwards option always,it’s ridiculous we just end up going back to square one all time
I know we’ve got this patient buildup and that’s fine , but you still Got to impose yourself on the opposition more than we do. We take the negative ball 90% of the time trying to thread the needle we just make it too easy for the opposition

We never had an attempt on goal for half an hour last night maybe longer
How are you supposed to start to get behind a team when they’re going round in circles doing nothing

[London Villan]

To be fair Emery has often tried to calm the crown down when we get a bit too excited early on in games.

[LukeJames]

I think Moreno was effective last season because he combined well with Ramsey.

Moreno has looked way off the pace since his return.  More than that, his body language has been poor at times and it looks like he hasn't established any kind of rapport with Lenglet.

Our players that rely on pace and getting in behind as there primary asset are struggling because teams have worked out to sit deep and stifle us. We need to adapt to this and find a way to move the ball much quicker, theres method in the slow build up at times but we need an alternative aswell.

[RamboandBruno]

There was nothing for the fans get behind though for the first hour
I mean I was saying to my son, just give us something anything I’m not talking about goals or big shots from range, I’m saying anything where you can start to get behind a team with

One of the big problems is if there is a 50-50 chance of a ball going forward or backwards. We always take the backwards option always,it’s ridiculous we just end up going back to square one all time
I know we’ve got this patient buildup and that’s fine , but you still Got to impose yourself on the opposition more than we do. We take the negative ball 90% of the time trying to thread the needle we just make it too easy for the opposition

We never had an attempt on goal for half an hour last night maybe longer
How are you supposed to start to get behind a team when they’re going round in circles doing nothing

Because thats just what you have to try and do.

[eamonn]

Night's like that can happen when your struggling for form. We are missing three quality centre halves and it's starting to take it's toll. But we wasn't as bad as some are making out. Bailey looks class and but for a toecap being offside we would have pulled it back to 2-3 then who knows what might have happened. I'm confident Unai will sort it out and I'm confident we will go on another run of top form in the very near future.

Pau, Mings and ?

[brontebilly]

I think Moreno was effective last season because he combined well with Ramsey.

Moreno has looked way off the pace since his return.  More than that, his body language has been poor at times and it looks like he hasn't established any kind of rapport with Lenglet.

His change of pace seems to have disappeared since his injury. I always thought Digne was one paced and Moreno last season getting back and also breaking into the box seemed to have another gear in him. Jacob Murphy must be one of the most average forwards in the division but he had a field day last night on that side.

 Our left flank Moreno/Lenglet/Tielemans was a disaster last night and first half v Chelsea too.

[Rigadon]

I think Moreno was effective last season because he combined well with Ramsey.

Moreno has looked way off the pace since his return.  More than that, his body language has been poor at times and it looks like he hasn't established any kind of rapport with Lenglet.

His change of pace seems to have disappeared since his injury. I always thought Digne was one paced and Moreno last season getting back and also breaking into the box seemed to have another gear in him. Jacob Murphy must be one of the most average forwards in the division but he had a field day last night on that side.

 Our left flank Moreno/Lenglet/Tielemans was a disaster last night and first half v Chelsea too.

His pace doesn't look any different to before his injury to me.  His final ball is just not great at the moment and he doesn't have marauding Ramsey playing alongside him.

[Risso]

I can take losing, but I thought the manner of the defeat was poor.

Tactics seemed wrong from the start as we surely needed Bailey on from the first minute so we could utilise the diagonal ball out wide like they did? Our play seemed ponderous at best as there were no runners from midfield and our high line looked vulnerable.

I don't understand the comments from some in the media that we were tired as we had one more days rest than Newcastle and didn't have to travel for the second time in three days.

A response in the next few games is needed.

The tactics were indeed wrong from the off, and it was disappointing that there didn't seem to be much in game management to change things. Miley and Gordon were getting past Cash at will, and Murphy and Longstaff were doing the same to Moreno on the other side.

We just don't get Diaby into games at all. Last night he had 19 touches in just over an hour of football, only a couple more than Zaniolo and Ramsey who only played for half an nour.