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Offline Footy-Vill

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Re: Player Discipline, Bookings and Suspension
« Reply #165 on: March 02, 2024, 10:16:43 PM »
May I remind everyone



In the whole league there has been an increase and has seen more yellow cards for dissent and time-wasting this season than in any other previous Premier League campaign, already surpassing the whole of 2022-23 season.

Time Wasting
In 2022-23, Aston Villa were the team punished most often for time-wasting.  We picked up 19 cards for the offence, which was far more than the second worst team Fulham on nine.

2023-24
Villa are joint-top of this on par with 11 cards for time-wasting already this season, alongside Chelsea and Wolves.


This time wasting isn't a good look for us but it obviously been helping our results.

Though the refs seem to not be consistent as there are other games where players aren't booked when our players are.

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Re: Player Discipline, Bookings and Suspension
« Reply #166 on: March 02, 2024, 10:41:19 PM »
May I remind everyone



In the whole league there has been an increase and has seen more yellow cards for dissent and time-wasting this season than in any other previous Premier League campaign, already surpassing the whole of 2022-23 season.

Time Wasting
In 2022-23, Aston Villa were the team punished most often for time-wasting.  We picked up 19 cards for the offence, which was far more than the second worst team Fulham on nine.

2023-24
Villa are joint-top of this on par with 11 cards for time-wasting already this season, alongside Chelsea and Wolves.


This time wasting isn't a good look for us but it obviously been helping our results.

Though the refs seem to not be consistent as there are other games where players aren't booked when our players are.

and may I refer back to:

I'm mildly stunned you can't see that Martinez is actually treated as if he's a yellow card in waiting, so much more than any other keeper. Yes, he's a noticeable presence but it's because he's been given a reputation since the World Cup that he gets noticed, not usually because he's doing anything against the rules

In 22/23 Martinez was booked for time wasting twice in 16 games in the first half of the season and 5 times in 20 games for the second half of the year. It's almost as if something happened in between that gave him an unfair reputation. Of course the alternative would be that Emery spent some time working with him and convinced him that he should get more bookings but that couldn't possibly be true given you've told us how angry Emery will be about him getting booked, every time it happens.

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Re: Player Discipline, Bookings and Suspension
« Reply #167 on: March 02, 2024, 11:58:10 PM »
Players have to take responsibility

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Re: Player Discipline, Bookings and Suspension
« Reply #168 on: March 03, 2024, 12:10:02 AM »
If Martinez doesn't even appear on the list you have listed as a concern, why are you concerned?

Also for all "Emery wouldn't like it", you do realise that last season, every booking he got was under Emery's reign. His first was the Manure win.

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Re: Player Discipline, Bookings and Suspension
« Reply #169 on: March 03, 2024, 10:30:27 AM »
Players have to take responsibility

So do the media & the officials.

Martinez is punished more often than not, as are Villa, after a lot of the media started making negative noise when Villa started to use the same "game management" tactics that their favourite clubs utilise every game.

When Caragher & Neville started calling our game management tactics as "a disgrace", despite saying the same actions were part of the game for other clubs, that then placed pressure on the officials to punish us.

We don't do much different to other clubs, but fans have picked up on the Neville & Caragher hypocrisy & as soon as Martinez has the ball at his feet, they start booing straight away. They even do it when the ball is actually still in play, which is bizarre.

And again, just like the media pressure, the home fans booing puts pressure on officials & they are too weak to not let it affect them.

So everybody has to take some responsibility for why we get so many time wasting cards.

Personally, I think that as a club, we should start to make more noise about it so we are starting to put pressure on officials ourselves. Maybe we can balance it out a little, if we do.

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Re: Player Discipline, Bookings and Suspension
« Reply #170 on: March 03, 2024, 11:40:21 AM »
Not gonna lie i thought the ref was dying to send off one of our players.  I think luiz waa quite lucky and i was convinced hw was gonna get another yellow out but to my amazement he didnt. Had we lost luiz next week it would have been horrible

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Re: Player Discipline, Bookings and Suspension
« Reply #171 on: March 03, 2024, 12:09:20 PM »
Not gonna lie i thought the ref was dying to send off one of our players.  I think luiz waa quite lucky and i was convinced hw was gonna get another yellow out but to my amazement he didnt. Had we lost luiz next week it would have been horrible

I was expecting him to send off at least one of Douglas Luiz, Bailey or Watkins.

Like you said, he looked dying to send one of ours off.

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Re: Player Discipline, Bookings and Suspension
« Reply #172 on: March 04, 2024, 10:54:59 AM »
May I remind everyone



In the whole league there has been an increase and has seen more yellow cards for dissent and time-wasting this season than in any other previous Premier League campaign, already surpassing the whole of 2022-23 season.

Time Wasting
In 2022-23, Aston Villa were the team punished most often for time-wasting.  We picked up 19 cards for the offence, which was far more than the second worst team Fulham on nine.

2023-24
Villa are joint-top of this on par with 11 cards for time-wasting already this season, alongside Chelsea and Wolves.


This time wasting isn't a good look for us but it obviously been helping our results.

Though the refs seem to not be consistent as there are other games where players aren't booked when our players are.

and may I refer back to:

I'm mildly stunned you can't see that Martinez is actually treated as if he's a yellow card in waiting, so much more than any other keeper. Yes, he's a noticeable presence but it's because he's been given a reputation since the World Cup that he gets noticed, not usually because he's doing anything against the rules

In 22/23 Martinez was booked for time wasting twice in 16 games in the first half of the season and 5 times in 20 games for the second half of the year. It's almost as if something happened in between that gave him an unfair reputation. Of course the alternative would be that Emery spent some time working with him and convinced him that he should get more bookings but that couldn't possibly be true given you've told us how angry Emery will be about him getting booked, every time it happens.

Plus more often we were having leads to protect in the second half of the season.

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Re: Player Discipline, Bookings and Suspension
« Reply #173 on: March 05, 2024, 02:52:18 PM »
Just to let everyone know regards Euro Conference League
Players can only be banned for three or five bookings from between the start of the group stages and the end of the quarter-finals there are 3 Villa players who could be suspended if booked.

Card Count Conference League
2 Yellow: Diaby,McGinn and Zaniolo at risk of suspension.
1 Yellow: Cash,Lenglet,Luiz, Tielemans, Bailey, Duran

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Re: Player Discipline, Bookings and Suspension
« Reply #174 on: April 03, 2024, 02:01:42 PM »
I have often warned about McGinn's lack of self-control in his tackling and has a somewhat irresponsible attitude the way he can get carried away, it came to light and resulted in his red card against Spurs and a three match ban.

He's ineligible to play in tonight's game. It's unfortunate that he did that against  Spurs especially as a captain. I don't want to go over this too much, but I'm sure Emery informed him straight up regards his lack of discipline and he had disappointed us all there because he's let us down not being available today and it's not till Saturday he is available for selection.

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Re: Player Discipline, Bookings and Suspension
« Reply #175 on: April 03, 2024, 02:03:42 PM »
It's his first red card for us.

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Re: Player Discipline, Bookings and Suspension
« Reply #176 on: April 03, 2024, 02:04:53 PM »
Amazing foresight that footy.  He's a disgrace really with all those reds he'd had over the last 6 seasons.

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Re: Player Discipline, Bookings and Suspension
« Reply #177 on: April 03, 2024, 02:14:23 PM »
The oracle returns, thank god

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Re: Player Discipline, Bookings and Suspension
« Reply #178 on: April 03, 2024, 02:17:07 PM »
I think SJM deliberately took a red vs Spppppuuurrrrrrrrrrrrs so that he can come back on Saturday 'like a new signing'.

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Re: Player Discipline, Bookings and Suspension
« Reply #179 on: April 03, 2024, 02:26:56 PM »
I said to my mates that with SJM being suspended if we can get through the West Ham, Wolves and Manchester City games with 5 points then we would of done well.

only the game vs the oil barons to go (crosses fingers, toes etc etc)

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