2024 January transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

[ChicagoLion]

With the NFL, they review the Salary Cap each year and usually increase the amounts allowed.

Wonder whether they will start doing that with FFP?

I thought it did go up. Not yearly, but in line with revenue. So as the TV deals get renegotiated the pot gets bigger for each club.

It's slightly different.  A salary cap is about how much you can spend.  FFP is about how much you can lose.  Technically, you can spend whatever you like, as long as it's paid for legitimately.  So "increasing" the FFP allowance would simply mean "letting clubs lose more money" which I'm not sure is sustainable long-term for anyone.

The did increase the FFP allowances post-Covid, because clubs lost all gate receipts and associated match-day revenues - so they were "allowed" to lose a little more than normal.  But it's not the case that they're allowed to lose more as the TV deals get bigger.

It’s a stupid way of trying to control Financial excess, if that was the original intention.
A salary cap is far more effective and easier to manage but you have to have good governance in place which the Premier League severely lacks and we know that UEFA and FIFA are corrupt.

[PaulWinch again]

Not sure I agree Paul. They've very clearly broken the rules. Punish them accordingly, then let them takes years defending it if they wish. The way they're going about it now is all arse about face.

I don’t think it’s that straightforward. Looking at the potential charges I don’t think you can do the punishment piecemeal and therefore if it’s a massive sanction I can understand that they want to be sure before levying it. Put it this way, if Citeh had done exactly the same as Everton I don’t doubt they’d have a 10 point deduction as well.

[Dante Lavelli]

There are flaws to the salary cap too, as has been proven in domestic rugby.  I’d also argue that footballers have more legitimate case for endorsing x, y and a in order to bump up their salaries by comparison to rugby players..

[Drummond]

Mancini had two contracts. One from Manchester City for being their manager, another identical one from a UAE firm for unspecified consultancy. Something like £4m for three days work.

I'd have done it for much less, and without a great drop off in quality...

[Beard82]

FFP and the European Super League as two sides of the same coin.  Both seem their main aim is to protect the richest clubs from having to face competition.  And the fact it Man City haven't faced a single consequence just re-enforces that believe. 

Basing it on revenue rather than affordability doesn't protect financial futures of clubs - with many of the richest funded by loans and able to stockpile the best talent.

[Risso]

Mancini had two contracts. One from Manchester City for being their manager, another identical one from a UAE firm for unspecified consultancy. Something like £4m for three days work.

I'd have done it for much less, and without a great drop off in quality...

Or you'd imagine, actual amount of work done.

[Gareth]

FFP and the like were designed to protect the so called big clubs who had been spooked by Chelseaans latterly Manchester City ownership throwing money to turn clubs that were at best average top division clubs into breaking the cartel and they didn’t want any others to do the same.  How peculiar that it seems both of those clubs have little but a passing interest to to the rules of financing football.

[Drummond]

Mancini had two contracts. One from Manchester City for being their manager, another identical one from a UAE firm for unspecified consultancy. Something like £4m for three days work.

I'd have done it for much less, and without a great drop off in quality...

Or you'd imagine, actual amount of work done.

Oh I'd have done an awful lot more; at least a week.

[Smithy]

Mancini had two contracts. One from Manchester City for being their manager, another identical one from a UAE firm for unspecified consultancy. Something like £4m for three days work.

Is that now an established fact? Or speculation? I've been keep to do some reading on what Man City, did, or didn't do, but everything I've seen so far appears to be guesswork.  Clearly there is a lot of stuff to uncover, I just thought none of it was in the public domain yet?

[Risso]

I'd have done a job share with you for another week mate, imagine how much more consulting they'd have received then.

[Risso]

Mancini had two contracts. One from Manchester City for being their manager, another identical one from a UAE firm for unspecified consultancy. Something like £4m for three days work.

Is that now an established fact? Or speculation? I've been keep to do some reading on what Man City, did, or didn't do, but everything I've seen so far appears to be guesswork.  Clearly there is a lot of stuff to uncover, I just thought none of it was in the public domain yet?

Established facts, the contracts have been leaked and are online.

[LeeS]

With the NFL, they review the Salary Cap each year and usually increase the amounts allowed.

Wonder whether they will start doing that with FFP?

I thought it did go up. Not yearly, but in line with revenue. So as the TV deals get renegotiated the pot gets bigger for each club.

It's slightly different.  A salary cap is about how much you can spend.  FFP is about how much you can lose.  Technically, you can spend whatever you like, as long as it's paid for legitimately.  So "increasing" the FFP allowance would simply mean "letting clubs lose more money" which I'm not sure is sustainable long-term for anyone.

The did increase the FFP allowances post-Covid, because clubs lost all gate receipts and associated match-day revenues - so they were "allowed" to lose a little more than normal.  But it's not the case that they're allowed to lose more as the TV deals get bigger.

I see the distinction you are making. My point was that if your revenue increases then, all things being equal, your losses decrease. Giving you greater headroom - greater spending power. The permitted loss can remain the same but you can spend more.

[Drummond]

I'd have done a job share with you for another week mate, imagine how much more consulting they'd have received then.

We'd have done a job for sure.

[Risso]

Mancini had two contracts. One from Manchester City for being their manager, another identical one from a UAE firm for unspecified consultancy. Something like £4m for three days work.

Is that now an established fact? Or speculation? I've been keep to do some reading on what Man City, did, or didn't do, but everything I've seen so far appears to be guesswork.  Clearly there is a lot of stuff to uncover, I just thought none of it was in the public domain yet?

Established facts, the contracts have been leaked and are online.

It's all on Der Spiegl if you want to read about it.

[TonyD]

Any sign of a RB?