Aston Villa v Everton Post-Match Thread

[Malandro]

Olsen is the worst keeper ive seen us have in my almost 40 years of life. My under 8 team need less touches of the ball to make a pass

Stefan Postma, Mark Bunn, Nikola Kalinic three worse keepers.

I think this clown is worse.

[brian green]

Con Martin was a better Villa keeper and he played centre back.

[Three Spires Villa]

Olsen is the worst keeper ive seen us have in my almost 40 years of life. My under 8 team need less touches of the ball to make a pass

Stefan Postma, Mark Bunn, Nikola Kalinic three worse keepers.

I think this clown is worse.

Than Mark Bunn, really? ok

[Risso]

Olsen is the worst keeper ive seen us have in my almost 40 years of life. My under 8 team need less touches of the ball to make a pass

Stefan Postma, Mark Bunn, Nikola Kalinic three worse keepers.

I think this clown is worse.

Than Mark Bunn, really? ok

It's hard to judge, Bunn played in our worst ever Premier League team, behind such luminaries as Okore, Lescott and Cissokho.

[Allan C]

The worst thing is being beaten at home by an awful Everton team. As for the cup, I stopped caring when they did. I don’t think any club cares about the domestic cup competitions so why should we??

[LeeB]

I only saw Kallinic live once, getting battered in the cup at home to Swansea, and he went down for a pea-roller like someone chopping down a giant redwood.

That geezer that came in when we chaged owners as well, Moreira was it? Played at Yeovil in the cup, looked like it was the first time he'd worn a pair of gloves, absolutely terrifying, then he saves a penalty.

[brontebilly]

For anyone with a masochistic streak

On the goals conceded

- did Torres play Garner onside? Seemed like he was very slow pushing out. I've been advocating for the Donk to be given more game time but he was shocking. Ran towards the ball getting nowhere near it while letting Garner run off the back of him. I'd give Olsen a bit of a pass, near post or not as Garner struck it very cleanly
- keystone cops stuff for the second when we had started the second half well. Obviously pass from Tielemans puts Konsa in trouble but Konsa is equally to blame for me as he hesitated. Either fly into that tackle and take a yellow or step off and get into a race with DCL. Surprised to read people thought Konsa did ok last night, I thought a half fit DCL and their sub bullied him physically. Think we got a very fortunate offside call in our favour near the end that Konsa was lucky to get.

That almost own goal from McGinn would have been possibly the worst goal we conceded since coming back up to the PL. Konsa, Cash, McGinn all abysmal. Just a rabble really in that first half.

[Bully2345]

If Konsa commits himself and loses that tackle on the half way line, we're down to ten men. He was put in an impossible position by the pass

[LeeB]

Any goalkeeper at any level can kick the fucking ball upfield in a hurry with some elevation, even this seems beyond Robin.

And even the second, while he's not to blame he's also no impediment to Calvert-Lewin, looked the easiest thing in the world for him. Compare and contrast to Sunday when every Chelsea player is shaking like a shitting dog when they look up and see Emi in front of them.

[Smithy]

Any goalkeeper at any level can kick the fucking ball upfield in a hurry with some elevation, even this seems beyond Robin.

And even the second, while he's not to blame he's also no impediment to Calvert-Lewin, looked the easiest thing in the world for him. Compare and contrast to Sunday when every Chelsea player is shaking like a shitting dog when they look up and see Emi in front of them.

Olsen is not a terrible goalie.  He's also not a particularly good one, either.  Yes, if he was our number one, we'd ALL be calling for an improvement in the next transfer window.  But he's not our number 1.  What he suffers from, more than anything, is comparison to our current number one, who is arguably the best goalkeeper in the world right now (certainly in the top three or four).  The gap in quality between number 1 and number 2 has probably never been higher.

We didn't lose last night because of Olsen, we lost because we were pretty poor all over the pitch, with a couple of VERY poor outfield performances, and individual errors thrown in.

Also, Everton certainly surprised me by going close to full strength. I was convinced they would be resting players, given they've won only one league game all season.   A shit night, a shit performance, and a shit result.  I imagine a few of our fringe players are getting analysed/bollocked to within an inch of their lives today.

[LeeB]

He had a big hand in gifting them the first goal with a duff clearance, which as it happens was exactly like one he did at Burnley when he came on there, so it's fair to say he wasn't solely responsible but was significantly so, and it's a recurring theme, he's fucked in each of our last 3 domestic cup defeats.

[AV82EC]

Any goalkeeper at any level can kick the fucking ball upfield in a hurry with some elevation, even this seems beyond Robin.

And even the second, while he's not to blame he's also no impediment to Calvert-Lewin, looked the easiest thing in the world for him. Compare and contrast to Sunday when every Chelsea player is shaking like a shitting dog when they look up and see Emi in front of them.

Olsen is not a terrible goalie.  He's also not a particularly good one, either.  Yes, if he was our number one, we'd ALL be calling for an improvement in the next transfer window.  But he's not our number 1.  What he suffers from, more than anything, is comparison to our current number one, who is arguably the best goalkeeper in the world right now (certainly in the top three or four).  The gap in quality between number 1 and number 2 has probably never been higher.

We didn't lose last night because of Olsen, we lost because we were pretty poor all over the pitch, with a couple of VERY poor outfield performances, and individual errors thrown in.

Also, Everton certainly surprised me by going close to full strength. I was convinced they would be resting players, given they've won only one league game all season.   A shit night, a shit performance, and a shit result.  I imagine a few of our fringe players are getting analysed/bollocked to within an inch of their lives today.

This.

[Scott Nielsen]

I know we have injuries and I'm personally in favour of players being able to play in different positions, but my gut feeling was we were a couple of players short, again, in the transfer window and the evidence I'm seeing so far backs this up.

I was ok with us letting Young go for example, fully expecting to see someone come in to either challenge Cash or take his place, and we're at least one player short up front. Bert I love but he's enigmatic and hardly ever fit, you can't seriously be looking at him as a genuine option in a season where you could be playing 50 odd games, and then Bailey is made of glass too.

And I thought we were short before we then flogged three decent academy players that may have helped resolve some of these issues.

Yes. We needed more but this time I did not expect it having learned repeat lessons. Dave W. has it right when he says it's always the next window that will be the big one.

I also can't help but think we went for Tielemans because he was free, not because he's what we need.

[Risso]

He had a big hand in gifting them the first goal with a duff clearance, which as it happens was exactly like one he did at Burnley when he came on there, so it's fair to say he wasn't solely responsible but was significantly so, and it's a recurring theme, he's fucked in each of our last 3 domestic cup defeats.

Exactly Lee. You can't underestimate the effect of lack of confidence in a goalie from the rest of the defence. I'm not expecting Olsen to be anywhere close to Martinez in terms of ability, because if he was he'd be first choice somewhere else. I think he's miles away from being good enough to be our reserve keeper though. He's not any good at any one aspect of keeping, and he's especially bad with the ball at his feet, which is a huge problem as it's a massive part of the way we play under Emery.

[Russ aka Big Nose]

IMO, there was no single cause for the result. Rather there was a combination of factors that led to a very flat performance.

1. Firstly, gifting any team, even a poor one, two goals is going to make it a tough game to win.

2. Injuries to key players not only means we are without some of our best players but it limits the options in terms of rotation and different combinations. We currently have two fit/capable CBs (Konsa and Torres) when we thought we would have four (including Mings and Carlos). That affects the spine of the team and what we can do if we want to make changes.

3. Some of our back-up options mean not only a drop-off in ability, but the replacement don't offer the same capability, e.g., Dendonker in CM does not want to accept the ball in tight areas and play round people in the way that Kamara and Dougie do.

4. Though the biggest issue for me last night was the lack of leadership. When we conceded the first and our play was disjointed, it needed one or two to lead by example, to dig a few people out or to encourage them - whichever might be appropriate. I saw some individuals applying themselves but I did not see anyone seeking to forge a more effective team.

I think the leadership of Mings and the energy and dynamism of Ramsey and Bunedia are very significant - more so when we are not playing well.

A good start in games, early goals, and combinations that 'click' are great to see but, inevitably, not always going to happen.

Really good teams have resilience, determination, and the leadership and energy to prevail. As a 'work in progress' we are some way off that - on the evidence of last Thursday and last night. UTV.