Should Pau Torres and Tyrone Mings both start?

[Footy-Vill]

So they haven't been played together so far as we had Mings and Konsa first half and Carlos and Pau second half vs Newcastle in the summer series.
I wonder if there will be a back 3 at some point in one of the pre season matches

[85kota]

I think a back 3 is quite likely as we really need both Torres and Mings in the team together. Perhaps this is with a RB/CB. We could do with Carlos being awesome but the jury is out.

[usav]

I think a back 3 is quite likely

On what evidence?

[Sexual Ealing]

Emery said it was an option for him.

[LeeB]

I think a back 3 is quite likely as we really need both Torres and Mings in the team together. Perhaps this is with a RB/CB. We could do with Carlos being awesome but the jury is out.

R.I.P. in the deathwatch threads, Bamford linked and now this. Just waiting for the fourth horesman now.

[Ads]

We play a back 3 several times during games. We also play a back 6 too. Yay tactics!

[Dogtanian]

I think a back 3 is quite likely as we really need both Torres and Mings in the team together. Perhaps this is with a RB/CB. We could do with Carlos being awesome but the jury is out.

R.I.P. in the deathwatch threads, Bamford linked and now this. Just waiting for the fourth horesman now.

Surely the lion facing the wrong way was a foul portent?

[paul_e]

As I've said before I'm not completely against a back 3, what I'm against is a manager deciding to 'give it a go' halfway through the season on the back of 10minutes at the end of a game and a couple of training sessions.

For most managers talk of 3 at the back is the clearest sign going that they're fucked and will be out of a job before long. With a proper manager with the meticulous attention to detail that Emery has I'd be fine with it because you'd know we'd only see it if every single player had been coached on how to play it and proven they could do the job.

As Ads says, we do it during play anyway because, like most top sides, we shift to a 325 (or some variant of that) in attack anyway.

Either way I think a back 4 with a CB in 1 of the fullback spots is more likely than wingbacks.

[Percy McCarthy]

So I summise you have Mings and Pau both starting?
Actually I fantatsic comparison regards the debate of both Watkins and Coutinho and Buendía and Coutinho you just choose to never give acknowledgement my way.

Mings and Pau
The style of play would be different with two left-footed centre backs and would not bring out the best in Mings or Pau because one is out of place.
Furthermore, it's about therefore fitting both players is the same as the debate on forwards and midfielders

This is where my thoughts are, rather than a hypothetical right-footed centre back scenario and I opened a discussion because its a situation and wonder about people's thoughts specifically on both startingon who should be starting under Emery.

Come and debate when you have your evidence, as that is clearly required for you.

Fuck it, can’t be arsed.

[Percy McCarthy]

It seems likely that they will give it a go.  On paper they are the best 2 center-backs we have - and Carlos is left-footed too. 

It would be strange to give the contract to Mings, only for him then to become surplus to requirements via a transfer that's always been on the cards.  As others have said - I don't see them rotating it that much.  By the end of the window, I think things should be clearer, as currently we have 5 center backs, and 1 fit left back, and 1 fit right back.

Carlos is right-footed, but has usually played on the left, impossible as that is to countenance for some.

[85kota]

I think a back 3 is quite likely

On what evidence?

I don't need any evidence, it's my opinion that we would be best with both Torres and Mings in the team, and perhaps a back 3 is the best way to do this.

But if you need evidence then Emery said we might.

[Stinkin_Thinkin]

We've had these issues before trying to shoehorn in a new player with the old guard. eg collymore, Townsend, Ings and Watkins the latest. I'd only go 5 at the back away to man city or at the emirates.

[chrisw1]

I think it is a bit of an odd signing when Mings is so important to us generally, but in particular in aerial duals.

Torres stats on the ball are superb, defensively notsomuch and in the air downright poor.  Konsa's stats are also pretty poor for aerial duals, but this may be partly because Mings always takes the main responsibility for defending the 6 yard box at set pieces.  Even so, Torres and Konsa would have teams licking their lips at every set piece. 

I don't see them compromising Torres, so he'll start on the left.  He really needs to be next to a big bastard.  I'm not yet convinced Carlos can be that man.  Unless he really steps up I don't see much alternative to hoping Mings can play on the right, or failing that a dreaded back 3, but for me we lose too much further up the field if we play that way.

As much as Torres is an exciting signing, breaking your transfer record as a direct replacement for possibly our most important player was a strange decision.  Seeing how we set up will be very interesting that's for sure.

 

[85kota]

We've had these issues before trying to shoehorn in a new player with the old guard. eg collymore, Townsend, Ings and Watkins the latest. I'd only go 5 at the back away to man city or at the emirates.

Not 5 at the back. 3 (three) at the back.

2 less.

[85kota]

I think it is a bit of an odd signing when Mings is so important to us generally, but in particular in aerial duals.

Torres stats on the ball are superb, defensively notsomuch and in the air downright poor.  Konsa's stats are also pretty poor for aerial duals, but this may be partly because Mings always takes the main responsibility for defending the 6 yard box at set pieces.  Even so, Torres and Konsa would have teams licking their lips at every set piece. 

I don't see them compromising Torres, so he'll start on the left.  He really needs to be next to a big bastard.  I'm not yet convinced Carlos can be that man.  Unless he really steps up I don't see much alternative to hoping Mings can play on the right, or failing that a dreaded back 3, but for me we lose too much further up the field if we play that way.

As much as Torres is an exciting signing, breaking your transfer record as a direct replacement for possibly our most important player was a strange decision.  Seeing how we set up will be very interesting that's for sure.

This is along the lines I was thinking.

My conclusion is Torres will start ahead of Mings. Acknowledging how good Mings was last season, seems Torres is exactly the kind of player Emery wants.for his preferred style of play, and we paid a lot to get him.

We will be creating a new problem with this, specifically we will be very weak at set pieces.