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Offline AV84

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #210 on: November 28, 2023, 10:03:19 AM »
That doesn't mean that's the only situation we can buy him back in though, does it? If they're not promoted can we buy him back for less?

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #211 on: November 28, 2023, 10:07:17 AM »
I guess it's not impossible, but the syntax of that quote doesn't suggest it to be the case.

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #212 on: November 28, 2023, 11:02:52 AM »
That doesn't mean that's the only situation we can buy him back in though, does it? If they're not promoted can we buy him back for less?

I think that's the only scenario in which we can enforce the buy back. There are more details in the Hull bloke's full quote.

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #213 on: November 28, 2023, 04:23:22 PM »
Not sure about a same division clause. I've seen qhat the chairman said and it read to me that if we pay £10m for him, he comes back to us.

"If we're promoted, Villa will have the right to buy him back for £15m," explained Kesler.

And if they don't get promoted, it's £10m.

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #214 on: November 28, 2023, 05:54:04 PM »
Not sure about a same division clause. I've seen qhat the chairman said and it read to me that if we pay £10m for him, he comes back to us.

"If we're promoted, Villa will have the right to buy him back for £15m," explained Kesler.

And if they don't get promoted, it's £10m.

I don't think anybody has suggested that that's the case. Where have you seen that?

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #215 on: November 28, 2023, 07:25:35 PM »
Not sure about a same division clause. I've seen qhat the chairman said and it read to me that if we pay £10m for him, he comes back to us.

"If we're promoted, Villa will have the right to buy him back for £15m," explained Kesler.

And if they don't get promoted, it's £10m.

I don't think anybody has suggested that that's the case. Where have you seen that?

I don't think anyone is suggesting that it definitely exists, just that the phrasing of the Hull chairman leaves it open to interpretation that such a clause exists.  He's trying to "big up" his negotiating skills so it makes sense he would only mention the highest possible price we could ever pay for him.

I'm not saying we can buy him back from the Championship, I'm just saying it would be a strange buy-back clause if we couldn't, and the wording of the chairman doesn't rule it out.  He could easily have said, quite literally "Villa can only buy him back if we get promoted", but he didn't.  My suspicion is that his words were very deliberate.

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #216 on: November 28, 2023, 08:34:22 PM »
Philogene scores again for Hull who are 3-0 up at half-time.

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #217 on: November 28, 2023, 08:36:52 PM »
The goal was a cheeky backheel as well.

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #218 on: November 28, 2023, 08:54:24 PM »
I mis-remembered what he said. This was the quote I saw -

“It’s pretty simple. The buy-back clause can be interpreted negatively or very positively. If the player is yours and you feel you don’t have the right to control it all the way along (through the contract) but you can also look at being able to get that kind of talented player you create a win-win situation, and share certain rights so that you can get it done and beat the competition.

“What we did in my opinion and for our fans to (understand) our decisions for the future, we’re not just buying players and then their previous clubs can buy them back from us, it’s a mechanism where we create a win-win situation.”

“There is a value that has been put on an identified performance, which is good. Maybe he can never reach there or he can bypass there, but at least for the market, for the industry, we know what he can be worth to leave our club.

“If someone comes in and offers less than his buy-back value, do we consider it? Should we consider it? Probably not. It’s a good thing. And having another big club on your side and being able to have some part in Jaden’s development plan is good.

“If we promote (to the Premier League), Villa have the right to buy him back for £15m. Having said that, if we have another offer that’s worth more than £15m then we would have the right to discuss it, it’s not like we’re forced to sell to Villa but they would have the first choice and that’s part of our agreement.

Seems like we've just got first option for him and the figure just establishes a market value. He could still go for less, or he could go for more.

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #219 on: November 28, 2023, 08:57:39 PM »
Another goal for Philogene.

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #220 on: November 28, 2023, 09:14:13 PM »
Still not on loan.

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #221 on: November 28, 2023, 09:40:56 PM »
I mis-remembered what he said. This was the quote I saw -

“It’s pretty simple. The buy-back clause can be interpreted negatively or very positively. If the player is yours and you feel you don’t have the right to control it all the way along (through the contract) but you can also look at being able to get that kind of talented player you create a win-win situation, and share certain rights so that you can get it done and beat the competition.

“What we did in my opinion and for our fans to (understand) our decisions for the future, we’re not just buying players and then their previous clubs can buy them back from us, it’s a mechanism where we create a win-win situation.”

There is a value that has been put on an identified performance, which is good. Maybe he can never reach there or he can bypass there, but at least for the market, for the industry, we know what he can be worth to leave our club.

“If someone comes in and offers less than his buy-back value, do we consider it? Should we consider it? Probably not. It’s a good thing. And having another big club on your side and being able to have some part in Jaden’s development plan is good.

“If we promote (to the Premier League), Villa have the right to buy him back for £15m. Having said that, if we have another offer that’s worth more than £15m then we would have the right to discuss it, it’s not like we’re forced to sell to Villa but they would have the first choice and that’s part of our agreement.

Seems like we've just got first option for him and the figure just establishes a market value. He could still go for less, or he could go for more.

What is the "identified performance"?

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #222 on: November 28, 2023, 09:47:12 PM »
A brilliant Tango to Mousse T’s “I’m Horny” at Hull’s famous Ritzy nightclub after 3 sambucas, a double vodka red bull and two tokes on a bottle of poppers…

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #223 on: November 28, 2023, 10:53:46 PM »
A brilliant Tango to Mousse T’s “I’m Horny” at Hull’s famous Ritzy nightclub after 3 sambucas, a double vodka red bull and two tokes on a bottle of poppers…

Hot n Juicy are Brummies so I thought they should be credited.

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #224 on: November 28, 2023, 10:57:58 PM »
Another goal for Philogene.
He's not ours anymore sadly .

 


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