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Offline Beard82

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #4380 on: October 03, 2023, 07:36:16 PM »
Just get rid - the benefits are outweighed by the costs. 

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #4381 on: October 03, 2023, 07:43:47 PM »
Itís so different in Rugby, none of this screeching down the Mike, itís because they are asking VAR to intercede in too many situations. It should be the ref talking to VAR with if necessary the linesman by his side.
If the conversation was broadcast then it would be a different outcome. The ref should be in charge with the support of VAR but what we have is the ref scapegoating VAR and vice versa.

Exactly the point!
Weíve replaced decisions made by a referee supported by two lines people, by a rabble using various means of tech. Its become vastly over complicated and is in danger of sucking the joy out of the game. Four of the 7 goals at our game on Saturday weíre reviewed, with no referee decisions over turned. Your absolutely right, if the ref is unsure go to VAR, otherwise let him or her get on with it.

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #4382 on: October 03, 2023, 07:46:15 PM »
Sorry if this has been posted, I donít think it has. This is not a parody by the way.

The full transcript of what the officials said:-

VAR: Possible offside Diaz

Assistant referee 1: Coming back for the offside mate

Assistant referee 2: Give it

VAR: Just checking the offside. Delay, delay

VAR: Give the kick point, let's go. Kick point please

Referee: Yeah no worries mate

Replay operator: So here we are

Referee: Wait ok

Replay operator: Just get a tight angle

VAR: Yeah give me a 2D line ready after this one for frame two after that

Replay operator: So frame two there?

VAR: That's fine

VAR: Perfect yeah

VAR: 2D line on left boot

Replay operator: Let me just switch angles

VAR: Romero I think it is?

Replay operator: I think it might be this angle better? Happy with this angle?

VAR: Yep

Replay operator: 2D line on the boot. Yep ok.

VAR: And stop.

VAR: Check complete, check complete. That's fine, perfect (showing Diaz is clearly onside). Off.

Referee: Cheers mate

VAR: Thank you mate

Referee. Well done boys. Good process (game restarts with a free-kick)

Replay operator: Wait, wait, wait, wait. The on-field decision was offside. Are you happy with this?

Assistant VAR: Yeah

Replay operator: Are you happy with this?

Assistant VAR: Offside goal yeah. That's wrong Daz.

VAR: What?

Replay operator: On-field decision was offside. Are you happy with this image? Yeah it's onside. The image that we gave them is onside.

Assistant VAR: He's played him. He's gone offside.

VAR: Oh [expletive]

Replay operative: Delay delay. Oli [PGMOL Hub Ops] saying to delay. Oli's saying to delay.

VAR: Pardon.

Replay operator: Oli's calling in to say delay the game. The decision is onside

VAR: Can't do anything

Replay operator: Oli's saying to delay. Oli's saying to delay

VAR: Oli?

Fourth official: Yeah

Replay operative: Delay the game, to delay the game? Stop the game.

VAR: They've restarted the game

VAR: Can't do anything, can't do anything.

Assistant VAR: Yeah, they've restarted. Yeah

VAR: Can't do anything.

Assistant VAR: no

VAR: I can't do anything. I can't do anything.

VAR: [expletive]

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #4383 on: October 03, 2023, 07:47:22 PM »
Itís so different in Rugby, none of this screeching down the Mike, itís because they are asking VAR to intercede in too many situations. It should be the ref talking to VAR with if necessary the linesman by his side.
If the conversation was broadcast then it would be a different outcome. The ref should be in charge with the support of VAR but what we have is the ref scapegoating VAR and vice versa.
Yeah - its the frantic nature of it all.  Other sports nail it - football doesn't because decisions are too subjective, and there arent enough adults in the room

Rugby naturally has a stop start nature so it does allow for better implementation of the technology. People would be moaning more if they kept stopping play to review things.
The number one thing that they could take from rugby though is the very clear communication between the ref and the TMO. They clearly state what the on field decision is every single time something happens. If its the normal procedure that VAR double checks a goal regardless, then just have the ref, for sake of clarity, say to the VAR person "on field decision is goal" so as they're checking it they're 100% clear on what they're confirming. All of that could be happening while the players are celebrating and worse case scenario is they've celebrated for nothing.

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #4384 on: October 03, 2023, 07:49:04 PM »
Ha ha comedy gold! Human error, simples.

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #4385 on: October 03, 2023, 07:53:43 PM »
Need Burnley to have an amazing game here to make my FPL captaincy gamble pay off 🤞

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #4386 on: October 03, 2023, 07:57:37 PM »
Itís so different in Rugby, none of this screeching down the Mike, itís because they are asking VAR to intercede in too many situations. It should be the ref talking to VAR with if necessary the linesman by his side.
If the conversation was broadcast then it would be a different outcome. The ref should be in charge with the support of VAR but what we have is the ref scapegoating VAR and vice versa.
Yeah - its the frantic nature of it all.  Other sports nail it - football doesn't because decisions are too subjective, and there arent enough adults in the room

Rugby naturally has a stop start nature so it does allow for better implementation of the technology. People would be moaning more if they kept stopping play to review things.
The number one thing that they could take from rugby though is the very clear communication between the ref and the TMO. They clearly state what the on field decision is every single time something happens. If its the normal procedure that VAR double checks a goal regardless, then just have the ref, for sake of clarity, say to the VAR person "on field decision is goal" so as they're checking it they're 100% clear on what they're confirming. All of that could be happening while the players are celebrating and worse case scenario is they've celebrated for nothing.

Exactly.

The only thing I'd add is that what rugby has learned which the transcript shows football needs as well is that stopping play when there's a clear error shouldn't be impossible.

Look at all of that above and tell me it wouldn't be better if the ref had blown up a couple of seconds after the restart, apologised for the error and then given the goal and started from a kickoff.

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #4387 on: October 03, 2023, 08:03:03 PM »
Need Burnley to have an amazing game here to make my FPL captaincy gamble pay off 🤞

Is it on telly?

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #4388 on: October 03, 2023, 08:05:52 PM »
Need Burnley to have an amazing game here to make my FPL captaincy gamble pay off 🤞

Is it on telly?

Don't think so, I'd imagine Champions League is of more interest to most.

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #4389 on: October 03, 2023, 08:07:44 PM »
There's a few little rivers

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #4390 on: October 03, 2023, 08:09:13 PM »
Need Burnley to have an amazing game here to make my FPL captaincy gamble pay off 🤞

Is it on telly?

It's on Peacock.

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #4391 on: October 03, 2023, 08:10:26 PM »
I see Ramsey is only on the bench.

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #4392 on: October 03, 2023, 08:22:09 PM »
I see Ramsey is only on the bench.

There goes my interest.

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #4393 on: October 03, 2023, 08:23:26 PM »
1-1 at Yanited, always liked Zaha.

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #4394 on: October 03, 2023, 08:23:38 PM »
And me, I was about to watch that game if he was playing.

 


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