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Offline Simon Page

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #15375 on: February 27, 2024, 11:12:33 AM »
I'll take your word for it. So is it a case of preferring to lose pretty than win trophies ugly?

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #15376 on: February 27, 2024, 11:19:17 AM »
I'll take your word for it. So is it a case of preferring to lose pretty than win trophies ugly?

I think it's similar to us under O'Neill. It's not that he's failing, it's just a case of whether he is making the most of the previously unimaginable resources that he's been given. So there's a permanent limbo of never doing badly enough to justify the change while never quite feeling like their performances mean they're happy.

I expect they also look at us this season and Newcastle last season and wonder whether they should see Moyes as their ceiling.

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #15377 on: February 27, 2024, 11:22:20 AM »
Cheers. That makes sense.

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #15378 on: February 27, 2024, 11:28:03 AM »
To an outsider they seem to be operating at their ceiling - first cup win in a generation (to add to their four other trophies), top league security - when have they ever performed any higher than that?

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #15379 on: February 27, 2024, 11:29:57 AM »
The World Cup.

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #15380 on: February 27, 2024, 11:40:43 AM »
To an outsider they seem to be operating at their ceiling - first cup win in a generation (to add to their four other trophies), top league security - when have they ever performed any higher than that?

Nature of being a supporter though, isn't it. Moyes has taken them 16 - 6 - 7 - 14 - 8, and are currently 8th, while winning the Conference League and spending around £400m in that time.

There were definitely conversations on here in the latter O'Neill seasons along the lines of "what's the point of spending all this money if we can't kick on and ever finish higher than sixth, we might as well roll the dice and see what happens".

There doesn't seem to be any focused "MOYES OUT!" stuff, just a few murmurings about whether they're doing as well as they could, when they're being tonked 5-0 by Fulham and 6-0 by Arsenal.

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #15381 on: February 27, 2024, 11:43:08 AM »
Am I missing something terrible about Moyes? From a distance he looks like a shaved lemur.

FTFY

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #15382 on: February 27, 2024, 11:51:20 AM »
West Ham will be interesting.

They have the oldest squad in the premier league at 28.4 years old. Of their 22-man senior squad, eight are out of contract this summer, with another 3 then entering their last 12 months.

So over the next three windows they need to replace around half of their squad. That's potentially a big outlay for a club whose owners aren't traditionally known for splashing the cash.

It's potentially a transitional point and one they need to get right if they are to keep up with their expensive new jet-set tastes.

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #15383 on: February 27, 2024, 12:01:04 PM »
West Ham will be interesting.

They have the oldest squad in the premier league at 28.4 years old. Of their 22-man senior squad, eight are out of contract this summer, with another 3 then entering their last 12 months.




So over the next three windows they need to replace around half of their squad. That's potentially a big outlay for a club whose owners aren't traditionally known for splashing the cash.

It's potentially a transitional point and one they need to get right if they are to keep up with their expensive new jet-set tastes.


I imagine there will be a lot of interest in Paqueta and Bowen this Summer which will give them well over £120 that they will have to put back in obviously 

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #15384 on: February 27, 2024, 12:01:41 PM »
So over the next three windows they need to replace around half of their squad. That's potentially a big outlay for a club whose owners aren't traditionally known for splashing the cash.

They spent £130m last summer and £180m the summer before that. Their biggest issue is going to (again, O'Neill parallels) the hit they're going to take on all but the three or four jewels that they'd make a big profit on. Aguerd, Ings, Kehrer and Cornet last season was £80m - they'll do well to get a quarter of that money back now.

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #15385 on: February 27, 2024, 12:05:46 PM »
Am I missing something terrible about Moyes? From a distance he looks like a shaved lemur.

FTFY

Which is a good excuse to dig out:


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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #15386 on: February 27, 2024, 12:07:34 PM »
So over the next three windows they need to replace around half of their squad. That's potentially a big outlay for a club whose owners aren't traditionally known for splashing the cash.

They spent £130m last summer and £180m the summer before that. Their biggest issue is going to (again, O'Neill parallels) the hit they're going to take on all but the three or four jewels that they'd make a big profit on. Aguerd, Ings, Kehrer and Cornet last season was £80m - they'll do well to get a quarter of that money back now.

But wasn't that money raised by selling a stake in the club to another investor?

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #15387 on: February 27, 2024, 12:12:27 PM »
Am I missing something terrible about Moyes? From a distance he looks like a shaved lemur.

FTFY

Which is a good excuse to dig out:



Fake but still funny.

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #15388 on: February 27, 2024, 12:23:17 PM »
So over the next three windows they need to replace around half of their squad. That's potentially a big outlay for a club whose owners aren't traditionally known for splashing the cash.

They spent £130m last summer and £180m the summer before that. Their biggest issue is going to (again, O'Neill parallels) the hit they're going to take on all but the three or four jewels that they'd make a big profit on. Aguerd, Ings, Kehrer and Cornet last season was £80m - they'll do well to get a quarter of that money back now.

Also on paralels to O'Neills time (although as he left and only a loan) but replacing their outstanding central midfielder with a has-been from Citeh.........

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Re: Other Games - 2023/24
« Reply #15389 on: February 27, 2024, 05:47:22 PM »
I see both the Beeb and ITV are showing live cup matches tonight, in days gone by, if this had happened, there would have been a national outcry, rioting in the streets, marches to Downing Street, from the non football lovers, but now when virtually everyone has about a couple of thousand channels to choose from, nobody is bothered.

 


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