Liverpool + Help - 1 Villa - 1 Post Match Thread

[LeeB]

For me, rather than outright brown envelope corruption it's systemic bias, in the same way courts or police will punish people differently according to their race or class.

[danno]

It’s all amplified and reinforced by the media too. I read the report on the BBC that casually described the game as two points dropped for Liverpool. When in reality it was a point gained by them.

[Nev]

Bingo was aghast about time wasting, pointing out that is happened across the game. The hypocrisy of managers knows no bounds.

Had they won I bet he'd have kept his toothy mouth shut.

[usav]

So after the ridiculous 10 minute's added on at Scamfield the explanation was that they were adopting the strict policy from the world cup that ALL stoppages would be added on for the remainder of the season.

I've heard that as well.  However, was that communicated widely before the games at the weekend?  I hope it doesn't become the norm.

[Gareth]

Wonder if the games in midweek are subject to the same injury time rules as they were games originally part of different game weeks?  Changing rules mid season without compelling reason ie covid is either incompetence or downright corrupt.

The injury time one would have been easy to say that as of next season we will be doing this and publicising it properly. 

Clowns

[The Edge]

So after the ridiculous 10 minute's added on at Scamfield the explanation was that they were adopting the strict policy from the world cup that ALL stoppages would be added on for the remainder of the season.

I've heard that as well.  However, was that communicated widely before the games at the weekend?  I hope it doesn't become the norm.

I don't mind either way but what I would really like is consistency because the way it panned out the weekend only our game and the Wolves game seem to have adopted the world cup method of applying injury time. I honestly it stinks.

[The Edge]

For me, rather than outright brown envelope corruption it's systemic bias, in the same way courts or police will punish people differently according to their race or class.

It's a fine line between corruption and systematic bias. Will it ever stop is the real question. Personally I doubt it. Too many clubs are seen as unofficially "elite" and in the end it comes down to one thing. Filthy lucre.

[paul_e]

Again this is, in my opinion, just another example of why the rules should change for the clock to be stopped when the ball is dead and play 2 30 minutes of in-play halves.

It handles time-wasting, it removes the cocerns of refs adding al lthe time the rich teams need, it gives everyone in the ground a realistic record of how long there is left to play and, importantly, it does nothing to reduce the amount of actual football that gets played in the vast majority of cases (the average ball-in-play time is around 55-56minutes across the top leagues in the last 15-20 years).

For all the bitching about it by people like Klopp when it goes against them they won't back a in-play clock idea not because of some desire to uphold tradition but because breaking play and killing games is a fundamental tool for the successful sides and the bitching is mostly about other clubs having the gall to do it back to them.

[Nev]

I thought that they introduced this directly after the WC and that it had gradually fallen by the wayside? There are more questions yet again about interpretation that only gives more weight to the conspiracy theories.

[tomd2103]

For me, rather than outright brown envelope corruption it's systemic bias, in the same way courts or police will punish people differently according to their race or class.

It's a fine line between corruption and systematic bias. Will it ever stop is the real question. Personally I doubt it. Too many clubs are seen as unofficially "elite" and in the end it comes down to one thing. Filthy lucre.

Nah, we have seen how VAR can be manipulated and now with officials being given licence to add on as much time as they see fit, it's going to get worse.

[Mister E]

Do broadcasters want endless amounts of added time/ - I'd think not for scheduling reasons. Ergo, paul_e's latest post about clock-stopping and 2 halves of 30 minutes seems to make sense for all concerned.

[LeeB]

I thought that they introduced this directly after the WC and that it had gradually fallen by the wayside? There are more questions yet again about interpretation that only gives more weight to the conspiracy theories.

Also, if they really had issued a directive last weekend how about communicating that to the wider world beforehand so those attending the games understand instead of seemingly rolling it out as an excuse afterwards?

They're so not-fit-for-purpose it's as though they were run by Dido Harding

[paul_e]

Do broadcasters want endless amounts of added time/ - I'd think not for scheduling reasons. Ergo, paul_e's latest post about clock-stopping and 2 halves of 30 minutes seems to make sense for all concerned.

It's not just broadcasters, having a more accurate idea of how long is left in each half is beneficial to pretty much everyone.

Team defending a lead can count down the seconds.
Team needing a goal can see exactly how desperate things are.
Fans can see how long to wait for a piss/pint/pie.
Staff know exactly when to expect that influx.
Officials have clear and transparent control of the game.

Literally the only thing I can think of that counts as a negative is that there is potential for time that kick off at the same time to finish at very different times but that happens with this 10minutes each half thing anyway and the times where it actually matters are fairly uncommon.

[Nev]

From time to time there is outrage and pearl clutching over something in the game that is dressed up as ruining the game, the end of football as we know it etc etc. Too many games, kick off times, other clubs getting more rest between games, simulation, refs that target certain teams, not enough subs, too many subs, playing League Cup games, playing any cup games, thuggish opposition, teams playing within their limitations and not opening up, every single refereeing decision under the sun, time wasting, international call ups, the African Cup of Nations and the grass being too long on pitches.

In reality it's driven by desperate and hypocritical Managers unable to cope with setbacks who look for someone or something else to blame and aided by a compliant and toothless media we end up with shit like VAR that strangles that cheer in everyone's throat.

The only problem with football is people like Klopp.

[PaulTheVillan]

Klopp is a moaning little b*tch. I'm glad we've rattled him.