Unai Emery

[brontebilly]

Monchi really did do us over last summer.

Had we even drawn the last game at Old Trafford and not shit the bed in how we played most of that game against a really crap Man U side, then Monchi is likely still here and the players we got in a lot better and less of a gamble. That's on Emery and the players as much as what transpired is on Monchi and co. regarding recruitment.

We were already in big trouble PSR wise I thought? We seemed to gamble a bit too recklessly last Jan, 5 players in and 2 of them didn't even make CL squad afterwards.

[Percy McCarthy]

^^ We sold the women’s team for £50m just before the June 30th end of financial year.

[Rory]

I'm sure it's just me missing the point, but I don't understand how we're still treading on egg shells when it comes to PSR.

Our net spend is what, about +£40m over three years?

If there's still an issue, what on earth are we paying these guys?

[Garyth]

[...] we're still treading on egg shells when it comes to PSR.

Isn't SCR (European version) the problem, rather than PSR (which is getting phased out anyway).

Reducing 96% to 70% was always going to be brutal - we could have just kept everyone's wages the same and not bought/sold anyone, but that wouldn't have been acceptable while also trying to sustain European football.

 The way I see it is that we've taken a more nuanced approach: selling some players and replacing them with lower wage players, renegotiating existing players to more long term wage structures, short term loans that only effect a single financial period, and leveraging income streams to the max. The problem with this is that every addition has to be seen in the light of tight wage headroom due to missing out on CL football this season.

It's not that we can't afford them, it's that we can't afford to play them in Europe. I suspect this is also partly a driver for premium young/academy players.

[Crown Hill]

^^ We sold the women’s team for £50m just before the June 30th end of financial year.

There’s some speculation this has only just happened and was only mooted last summer. So may help this year’s figures.

https://x.com/kieranmaguire/status/2009269208241033640?s=46&t=1A7xfLJNUgdI6215TY6YlA

[paul_e]

The 96% thing is very misleading because it doesn't really have anything (directly) to do with the UEFA rules that we failed on.

Either way, if the revenue figures Heck hinted at were accurate and the wages of ins and outs are about right then we should be well within the 70% margin for 2025. 2026 will be slightly more difficult due to the drop in european money from UCL to UEL but with other changes we should be fine. If there was any real concern then I don't think we'd have gone with Sancho. The big problem in the summer was the need to maintain a positive balance for the European squad which meant we needed sales. That's still a restriction now but doesn't stop us buying players who aren't for use in Europe so the youngsters that have come in make sense.

To make a first team signing or 2 I suspect we need to clear up the situation with Elliott first.

[Sexual Ealing]

What happened to the talk of Elliott going to the MLS to play for Dean?

[eamonn]

Elliott not interested in going to a tin-pot league for a few months.

[Somniloquism]

What happened to the talk of Elliott going to the MLS to play for Dean?

Down to Liverpool essentially. He is still their player and although the offer is there, they might not want to do it as in theory, we will be improved.

[eye digress]

Anyone know what the approximate difference is in terms of all-in revenue between CL quarter finalists and EL winners?

[paul_e]

Anyone know what the approximate difference is in terms of all-in revenue between CL quarter finalists and EL winners?

£40m-ish we made nearly £70m last year but will be looking at closer to £30m if we win it this year (based on what Tottenham got).

[eye digress]

Cheers, quite a lot more than I had imagined.

[AV82EC]

Anyone know what the approximate difference is in terms of all-in revenue between CL quarter finalists and EL winners?

£40m-ish we made nearly £70m last year but will be looking at closer to £30m if we win it this year (based on what Tottenham got).

Didnt Spurs get nearly £50m from the Europa win Paul? 

[paul_e]

Anyone know what the approximate difference is in terms of all-in revenue between CL quarter finalists and EL winners?

£40m-ish we made nearly £70m last year but will be looking at closer to £30m if we win it this year (based on what Tottenham got).

Didnt Spurs get nearly £50m from the Europa win Paul? 

Not from what I read but maybe I've missed something, I didn't check when I made the post I just remember reading something that said £30m (which I agree feels a bit low).

[AV82EC]

Anyone know what the approximate difference is in terms of all-in revenue between CL quarter finalists and EL winners?

£40m-ish we made nearly £70m last year but will be looking at closer to £30m if we win it this year (based on what Tottenham got).

Didnt Spurs get nearly £50m from the Europa win Paul? 

Not from what I read but maybe I've missed something, I didn't check when I made the post I just remember reading something that said £30m (which I agree feels a bit low).

No worries i was guessing myself but thought it was more than £30m. Lets agree £40m and split the difference. Anyway its slightly moot as the key figure is how much of a drop from the CL income it is as was pointed out earlier.

Just looking at UEFAs Europa money distribution if we get to the final and win it we'd get about £25m but that doesn't include our value pillar payment to cover TV rights etc which probably adds another £5-10m maybe, not sure. So maybe the figure of £30m isn't too far off.