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Author Topic: Forest 1 v Aston Villa 1 Post Match Dirge Thread.  (Read 14185 times)

Offline Taylor

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Re: Forest 1 v Aston Villa 1 Post Match Dirge Thread.
« Reply #165 on: October 11, 2022, 03:42:38 PM »
Three good chances second half:

Ramsey - instead of shooting, crossed, although that was good defending too from the Forest player.

McGinn - should have used his foot.

Archer - instead of heading toward goal knocked it back across the goal.

Bad decision making

Thatís a bit harsh on Ramsey. He did the right thing and we would have scored had Watkins be more aware.

Nah, he should have shot, if its the chance I'm thinking of. Watkins was in the right place to put it in but the ball never got to him.

I also was screaming at him to shoot - this to me is partly down to him and Mcginn playing on the wrong side - can anyone tell me what benefit there is to having midfielders playing on their weakest foot? Ir absolutely drives me fucking mad watching mcginn especially turn back into trouble because he can't kick it with his right foot.
If that chance for mcginn that he attempted that 'header' had falled to JJ he'd have belted in with his right foot, as it was mcginn didn't know what to do as it was moving towards his weaker side. Was still an embarrassing attempt mind.

Just seems to me that they all look uncomfortable out there and subsequently are making bad decisions
Is it just me that thinks if Mcginn was wearing dark blue heíd have smashed it in!

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Re: Forest 1 v Aston Villa 1 Post Match Dirge Thread.
« Reply #166 on: October 11, 2022, 03:50:16 PM »
Iím still amazed they havenít sacked SG yet. No good keeping him until the World Cup starts as weíll be well into the relegation zone by then, making it much more difficult for a new manager. At this particular moment in time, I would put the ground improvements on the back burner until we actually look like a club thatís going to stay in the PL. As others have mentioned, we need to start looking at £45 million+ players instead of our usual bargain basement signings. Coutinho was heralded as the second coming but, another one we would do well to ditch asap.

Offline aj2k77

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Re: Forest 1 v Aston Villa 1 Post Match Dirge Thread.
« Reply #167 on: October 11, 2022, 06:02:04 PM »
We're half arsed again. Letting things drift. Hoping for the best instead of planning for it. We will never be a big club again whilst we look dreamy eyed at big names with no track record in management. We play at being a big club but look at who's behind the scenes. The assistant manger, the manager, the coach, the dead ball specialist etc etc. We talk about levels and aims and then employ people way below them because they're ''famous''.

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Re: Forest 1 v Aston Villa 1 Post Match Dirge Thread.
« Reply #168 on: October 11, 2022, 06:23:00 PM »
I'd like to see us create chances, any chances, before deciding if we need a striker.
That's a confidence issue, our players are scared of getting caught short by giving the ball away with people out of position so we reguarly play it safely backwards and then launch it up field where we'll have time to get into position if the ball gets lost (as it usually does).

Fair.  You can't play Pep ball unless you have Pep's players.

I'm going to get slated for saying this first part, but I'll say it anyway......2 goals conceded in 4 games with minimal opportunities for the opposition (City aside as they are different).  He's certainly made us harder beat and fixed the defensive side of things - which he had to do.   I don't know how he fixes the forwards when you have Watkins who can't trap a ball or hold it up and Buendia who goes over at the slightest puff of wind.  Coutinho is good in flashes, but is a luxury we can't afford when not in possession.   McGinn is just not good enough to run the midfield.   

The squad isn't good enough, we badly needed a striker and didn't get one.  Not sure if that is on the manager or those above him.

I agree with some of what you are saying but you cant say with all the international we have that the squad is not good enough.

We simply don't create enough chances and you have to allow for Strikers going through Barren spells.  Okay you can criticise Watkins for his finishing but how often do we put a decent cross in the box for him?  I don't really rate Ings but again the service we've given him hasn't been great either. We almost inevitably hit a defender and when we stop doing that we start the usual floaty bollocks cross

Its fairly easier to make yourself difficult to beat but to have a system that creates lots of chances requires a lot more thought and creativity from the Coaching team.

It's also fine margins.  Take one of the 25 chances we had at Leeds and Watkins use his head last night and not be offside, we'd be having a totally different conversation today.  Not to say the football couldn't be better, but those are mutually exclusive things.

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Re: Forest 1 v Aston Villa 1 Post Match Dirge Thread.
« Reply #169 on: October 11, 2022, 06:42:23 PM »
It's also fine margins.  Take one of the 25 chances we had at Leeds and Watkins use his head last night and not be offside, we'd be having a totally different conversation today.  Not to say the football couldn't be better, but those are mutually exclusive things.

True but the sides that get the little things outside of games right tend to have the little things in games go their way.
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Work on our attacking shape and maybe Watkins is slightly less eager to get in and holds his line better (especially if you've targeted him to do it in training), get the players confident with their weaker foot and maybe McGinn slots home with his right foot instead of that header, or Ramsey shoots instead of trying to cut back to Watkins.

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Re: Forest 1 v Aston Villa 1 Post Match Dirge Thread.
« Reply #170 on: October 11, 2022, 08:46:58 PM »
Mings omission to step across for the goal aside we do the final defensive third well of late. 2 goals in 4 games is testament to that.

There's the old adage of win your home and draw your away, the issue is, you don't feel at the moment that what happens progressively in the middle third and what we do in the final, will result in many goal scoring opportunities. Do you trust Watkins to have an economy of goals for limited chances? No. Leeds, last night and many other examples suggest otherwise.

We simply don't have patterns of attack. Football is about creating space and then exploiting it. You can do it in a number of ways. We tried to shorten the game first half with long balls and it was poor. We were better on the ball 2nd period but had no answers to a low block. We seldom played a percentage cross and the delivery isn't good enough.

We are static, movement is non-existent and its clear we don't work on patterns. If you want to play wide, you have to narrow the opposition with positional passing that draws them into create space. We didn't do that with any regularity and got choked not knowing how to penetrate them.

I listened to Gerrard stuck in traffic around Meadow Lane getting out and I didn't think he was throwing anybody under the bus. I thought I heard a worried man.

Coutinho is the impressing at all. Watkins without Grealish shouldn't be our intended main goal threat. McGinn is so poor at retaining possession, which just isn't good enough at this level. His miss was ridiculous.

Archer's movement was really good to watch. He shifts the opposition and drives at them. Ings however doesn't impact the game at all, while Ramsey has lost his way.

Seldom do the midfield break beyond the forwards and comitt in any numbers. We're too slow to transition and ultimately adopt an attacking shape that just appears to be a rigid compression of our defensive shape, only pushed higher.

He's got a lot of good players at his disposal, but finding an attacking system, with a couple of patterns of attack that works appears to be beyond him this season. It wasn't present for the last 2 months of last season either.

A portion of the away crowd turned. When you think the run points wise isn't particularly bad since Man City, it shows patience is wearing thin. I don't think anything will happen pre-World Cup, but he will ultimately only have himself to blame. There has to be more risk.
« Last Edit: October 11, 2022, 08:50:19 PM by Ads »

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Re: Forest 1 v Aston Villa 1 Post Match Dirge Thread.
« Reply #171 on: October 11, 2022, 08:51:54 PM »
I agree with Al, of that bar Ramsey. He's the only player we have that breaks the lines, the offside goal and the chance we he squared it but should've shot showed that, and it was the same in the previous drab affairs.

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Re: Forest 1 v Aston Villa 1 Post Match Dirge Thread.
« Reply #172 on: October 11, 2022, 10:35:08 PM »
Is Ramsey being told to drop back when the full backs are advancing?

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Re: Forest 1 v Aston Villa 1 Post Match Dirge Thread.
« Reply #173 on: October 11, 2022, 10:40:06 PM »
Is Ramsey being told to drop back when the full backs are advancing?

Not really, no.

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Re: Forest 1 v Aston Villa 1 Post Match Dirge Thread.
« Reply #174 on: October 11, 2022, 11:11:51 PM »
Is Ramsey being told to drop back when the full backs are advancing?

No. But you can clearly see he hates the role he is being asked to play. Itís doesnít take advantage of his attacking intent and heís left tracking back helping out midfielders who give the ball away constantly. Heís frustrated and itís showing itself in his attitude and body language. He was a red card waiting to happen last night so it was right to pull him out of the game.

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Re: Forest 1 v Aston Villa 1 Post Match Dirge Thread.
« Reply #175 on: October 12, 2022, 09:15:28 PM »
Has a substitute ever had less impact than Danny Ings tonight?

Proper Chris Samba moment, that.

I had absolutely completely, totally and utterly forgotten all about Chris Samba. Only 5 years ago...

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Re: Forest 1 v Aston Villa 1 Post Match Dirge Thread.
« Reply #176 on: October 12, 2022, 09:24:57 PM »
The last time we lost a match the country had a different monarch and Prime Minister. And we are one of only two teams to have taken league points off the best club side in the world at the moment. Which goes to show that ultimately it's not just results that matter...

 


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