Aston Villa 0 West Ham 1. Post Match Anger.

[Delboy Villan]

Listening to Talksport last night and the way that Gerrard is perceived by his fellow ex-professionals is hilarious! Born winner, one of the best midfielders ever etc etc.... makes me sick, he has been given loads of chances to improve this team and we as fans have been patient but the bin dipper needs to go NOW! When Deano had a similar record the board acted, now is the time to be ruthless again!

[Mister E]

I thought Kamara was decent, broke up play well. Gave the ball to the creative players who did fuck all with it.

agreed. The combination of slow build-up from the back and poor movement upfront meant that the ball was always being recycled slowly, despite Kamara's efforts to move it quickly to the supposed creative players.

[Monty]

Listening to Talksport last night and the way that Gerrard is perceived by his fellow ex-professionals is hilarious! Born winner, one of the best midfielders ever etc etc.... makes me sick, he has been given loads of chances to improve this team and we as fans have been patient but the bin dipper needs to go NOW! When Deano had a similar record the board acted, now is the time to be ruthless again!

Let's not be revisionist, the guy was an incredible player, a one-man team and one of the most insanely driven and motivated people I've ever seen on a football pitch.

Indeed, it could be that these qualities as a player are exactly his problem in transitioning to management - how many times have we seen a great former player, with super talent and self-doubt at 0%, struggle to connect as a coach with players who don't happen to have the gifts he was born with? Maradona, Keane, Bryan Robson, Bobby Charlton, Pirlo recently. Seems that Beckenbauer, Cruyff and, his own mad way, Zidane are very much the exceptions (we'll see about Xavi).

[Risso]

Bobby Charlton 'recently'?! Blimey, I think you'd need your bus pass to remember him as a manager!

[Monty]

Geologically speaking.

[Delboy Villan]

I don't see that how he was as a player gives him more slack with his results as a manager? We are not talking about him as a player.

The only recent manager (last 10 years or so) to leave with the team in a better place has been Dean, I was surprised he was sacked but understood and probably agreed with why. I also thought that Gerrard was a good punt in the position we were in but it has not worked.

I believe we have a decent squad that with decent coaching could easily make top 10 but until we get that coach then we are doomed to fail? Poch or Potter would suit IMO and the more I think of Southampton and Spurs and where they were when he joined the more I am warming to Poch.

[Dave]

Pirlo recently.

Currently managing a dream strike force of Colin Kazim-Richards and Fabio Borini at Fatih Karagümrük in Turkey.

So who knows, maybe they're his path back to the top.

[Monty]

I don't see that how he was as a player gives him more slack with his results as a manager? We are not talking about him as a player.

Very, very not saying that. Just saying that he was, actually, a great midfielder and a born winner. Doesn't stop him from being a seemingly terrible coach!

Agreed on Dean, was thinking last night how in my Villa-watching lifetime (I'm nearly 32) Dean is the only Villa manager about whom I was never deluded. I underestimated him, he did many good things, he had a ceiling and that's fine. Every other manager I've ever watched us under has, ultimately, left the club worse-off.

[Chris Smith]

It seemed obvious to me that Moyes  would change things round at half time but our manager appeared to be taken by complete surprise. From that moment on it appeared inevitable that we were done for.

Gerrard hasn’t done the hard yards as a a manager and has nothing to draw on when things aren’t going to plan. I think he needs a miracle if he is going to keep his job.

[brian green]

Turkish football made a best selling author out of Darius Vassell so who knows?

[RamboandBruno]

Listening to Talksport last night and the way that Gerrard is perceived by his fellow ex-professionals is hilarious! Born winner, one of the best midfielders ever etc etc.... makes me sick, he has been given loads of chances to improve this team and we as fans have been patient but the bin dipper needs to go NOW! When Deano had a similar record the board acted, now is the time to be ruthless again!

You make some decent points, but thats the second time you’ve used bin dipper, are we really referring to him as a bin dipper because he’s from Liverpool ffs. I started feeling embarrassed by the ‘in the Liverpool slums’ holte end song by the age of about 15.

[Risso]

I think it's harsh to include Pirlo, he was sacked for not winning the title at Juventus. There are so many factors involved in a manager being successful or not, the main one being the 'fit' between club and manager and who the owners are.

[Monty]

Nah he was sacked for nearly not qualifying for the Champions League - which, honestly, would have been an amazing achievement. They were incredibly incoherent that year, and Pirlo - despite his immense personal caché with Andrea Agnelli - just had to go.

[LeeB]

I've seen loads of comments thatcwe were OK/decent in the first half. I beg to differ. We were the least inept in a game of walking football. Then Moyes saw we were there for the taking, Benrahma comes on to introduce a bit of pace and we come undone.

You'd think given his background Gerrard would know most games are won and lost in midfield through a combination of ability and hard work.  We look like we're playing in deep sea divers suits both athletically and skill wise.

West Ham were like a boxer holding us at arms length, then once we tired they took over.

[Chris Smith]

I've seen loads of comments thatcwe were OK/decent in the first half. I beg to differ. We were the least inept in a game of walking football. Then Moyes saw we were there for the taking, Benrahma comes on to introduce a bit of pace and we come undone.

You'd think given his background Gerrard would know most games are won and lost in midfield through a combination of ability and hard work.  We look like we're playing in deep sea divers suits both athletically and skill wise.

West Ham were like a boxer holding us at arms length, then once we tired they took over.

Moyes made the mistake of overestimating us in the first half by playing 5 at the back. Changed it at half time and without playing particularly well took control of the game.