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Offline paul_e

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2022/23
« Reply #480 on: July 18, 2023, 08:51:44 PM »
My take -

Ready to be integrated or likely to be their last loan - A Ramsey, Iroegbunam, Archer, Philogene.
Ready for a loan at Championship level - Bogarde, Chrisene.
Ready for their first/next loan - O'Reilly, K Young, Patterson, Feeney, Barry, Revan.
Kept back a little longer - Kellyman, Wilson

Looks about right to me, maybe nudge Wilson up one.

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2022/23
« Reply #481 on: July 18, 2023, 09:07:20 PM »
Even Wilson has said he needs to get a bit bigger/stronger first.

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2022/23
« Reply #482 on: July 18, 2023, 09:13:58 PM »
Even Wilson has said he needs to get a bit bigger/stronger first.

Indeed, but 15 in 24 at the various youth levels for us suggests he's already too good for that level, he does need to work on his strength but I wouldn't be surprised if we did loan him out and if not now certainly in January if he carries on as he has. From what I've seen we need to be careful we don't hold him back for too long because he has huge amounts of natural talent and instinct. He could do with the sort of loan that Grealish got at Notts County where he was technically miles ahead of most people but needed to learn how to look after himself against men.

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2022/23
« Reply #483 on: July 18, 2023, 09:22:41 PM »
Not sure bracketing Wilson with a generational talent is helping him. I hope he's that good and able to get league football at 17. I take the point that he's still scoring for fun at youth level though. And therein lies the problem for our coaches to solve. Who knows, maybe he's bulked up a bit over the summer. I'm sure he's done a fair bit of strength and conditioning and been able to be in a calorie surplus for a decent amount of time to put some size on.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2023, 11:31:38 PM by OCD »

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2022/23
« Reply #484 on: July 18, 2023, 09:25:22 PM »
My take -

Ready to be integrated or likely to be their last loan - A Ramsey, Iroegbunam, Archer, Philogene.
Ready for a loan at Championship level - Bogarde, Chrisene.
Ready for their first/next loan - O'Reilly, K Young, Patterson, Feeney, Barry, Revan.
Kept back a little longer - Kellyman, Wilson

Looks about right to me, maybe nudge Wilson up one.

Have we let Finn Aziz go- was his move to Plymouth made permanent?

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2022/23
« Reply #485 on: July 18, 2023, 09:35:30 PM »
Not sure bracketing Wilson with a generational talent is helping him. I hope he's that[/] good and able to get league football at 17. I take the point that he's still scoring for fun at youth level though. And therein lies the problem for our coaches to solve. Who knows, maybe he's bulked up a bit over the summer. I'm sure he's done a fair bit of strength and conditioning and been able to be in a calorie surplus for a decent amount of time to put some size on.


That's not what I was trying to do, rather just saying that the sort of loan he needs is less about the level he goes to and more about just playing senior football. Some players need the experience of going through the levels, I'm not sure that's going to be the case with him. It was probably true for Jacob Ramsey as well.

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2022/23
« Reply #486 on: July 18, 2023, 09:39:09 PM »
My take -

Ready to be integrated or likely to be their last loan - A Ramsey, Iroegbunam, Archer, Philogene.
Ready for a loan at Championship level - Bogarde, Chrisene.
Ready for their first/next loan - O'Reilly, K Young, Patterson, Feeney, Barry, Revan.
Kept back a little longer - Kellyman, Wilson

Looks about right to me, maybe nudge Wilson up one.

Have we let Finn Aziz go- was his move to Plymouth made permanent?

I forgot about him, he's another that, if we're keeping him, needs to be in the championship or with us, no point loaning him below that.

The next big things for the kids is to see who gets taken the America, anyone who makes the trip stands a decent chance of being around the squad for the first half of the season and getting time in the cup and in europe.

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2022/23
« Reply #487 on: July 18, 2023, 09:58:56 PM »
My take -

Ready to be integrated or likely to be their last loan - A Ramsey, Iroegbunam, Archer, Philogene.
Ready for a loan at Championship level - Bogarde, Chrisene.
Ready for their first/next loan - O'Reilly, K Young, Patterson, Feeney, Barry, Revan.
Kept back a little longer - Kellyman, Wilson

Philogene-Bidace is probably the only one I would disagree with on your list.

I would place him in the next loan category.

I might even sell him, if the offer was good. With a buy back & sell on clause, of course.

Wilson & Kellyman need to get into the gym. With their respective height, if they bulked out a bit, it would really help their game along...


Have we let Finn Aziz go- was his move to Plymouth made permanent?

He hasn't moved to Plymouth.

My brother in law & nephew would be jumping for joy if that happened...

He needs a Championship loan. Hopefully to Plymouth...👍
« Last Edit: July 18, 2023, 10:02:14 PM by pablo_picasso »

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2022/23
« Reply #488 on: July 18, 2023, 11:34:30 PM »
I agree on Philogene, pablo_picasso but Emery seems to rate him so he might be kept around and used in the Conference games.

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2022/23
« Reply #489 on: July 19, 2023, 07:21:51 AM »
I agree on Philogene, pablo_picasso but Emery seems to rate him so he might be kept around and used in the Conference games.

Philogene and Davis are both over-21 and club grown, we don't have many moee of those.

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2022/23
« Reply #490 on: July 19, 2023, 09:31:24 PM »
Easah Suliman set to complete a move to Azerbaijan, signed his first professional contract with us in 2015.

 


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